Marist poll: Obama 56, Palin 33
posted at 7:47 pm on August 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
The bad news: This same hypothetical was polled five months ago and The One won by virtually the same margin. His loss of support since then has not been the ‘Cuda’s gain. The good news: Her net favorable rating’s actually been trending slightly upwards, from -13 a few weeks to -9 last week to -6 now. Maybe the “death panels” talk did some good.
Do note that this is a poll of registered voters, too. When you poll likely voters, as Rasmussen does, the numbers narrow considerably.
It’s probably not a shock that public opinion divides along party lines. 92% of Democrats would support Obama in this hypothetical contest while 73% of Republicans would back Palin. Although President Obama does not receive a majority of Independents in this matchup, Obama does win nearly half — 49% — of this key voting group. Palin receives 34% of their support…
Palin’s decision to step down from office did not help her cause. In fact, voters say her action hurt her prospects for a presidential bid. 61% of the national electorate thought Palin’s resignation was a bad political move while just 15% report it helps her political aspirations. The self-proclaimed “soccer mom” doesn’t even gain the affirmation of her own party. A slim majority of Republicans — 51% — think Palin’s stepping down hurt her political future. 69% of Democrats and 61% of Independents agree…
However, Palin does have some considerable clout within her own party. Nearly three-quarters of Republicans — 73% — think well of Palin compared with 16% who have the opposite opinion.
The race for the nomination splits Mitt 21, Palin 20, Huck 19, which is in line with every other poll that’s been taken about this. Follow the link for the crosstabs breaking down each question by demographics — she fares better in the south and among non-college grads and worse with young voters and women — but the eye-popping statistic is the 20 percent of Republicans who say they’d vote for Obama over her versus just 4 percent of Democrats who’d break the other way. (Indies prefer Obama 49/34.) That’s a shocking number given the backlash among conservatives to The One’s spending, especially when you consider that those who still self-identify as Republican are likely to be more firmly right-wing than, say, five years ago. If she’s got one-fifth of the GOP willing to swallow another term of Hopenchange rather than elect her, she’s got some credibility work to do. Exit question: Maybe that 20 percent suspect her of being … a socialist?
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Christian Conservative on August 19, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Yawn.
How long can AP hide under the “Obligatory” banner for every hack poll he posts about Palin?
I’ve defended AP in the past against critics, but now I am starting to believe the critics were right.
Why not a post about the recent PPP poll showing Palin with huge majority approval among conservative AND moderate Republicans/Republican leaning independents?
Why not a post about the recent Rasmussen poll showing Palin within the margin of error of Obama?
Norwegian on August 19, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Um, we have term limits in Arkansas. Huckabee couldn’t have sought re-election if he wanted to. It’s true he served out both of his terms — if you call effectively running for president during most of his time in the Governor’s mansion “serving the people of Arkansas.” If you polled likely voters here I’m betting you would find very little support for Huckster, and I think we’re in a better position than most of the country to comment on his fitness to serve as president. We know his record; we’ve lived it here. And he did previous little for the state while he was office. Personally, I’d rather have a governor like Sarah Palin who can accomplish so much in just two and a half years than a tool like Huckabee who just lived off the public dime his entire tenure and left virtually nothing to show for it.
NoLeftTurn on August 19, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Yes, and look at how the High School Squad still rabidly defends Allahpundit’s drive by posting.
And notice that HotAir NEVER posts anything about what Sarah Palin actually says, like her latest FB post on the Brazilian oil hypocrisy, but only on what her detractors say?
They don’t want to have a discussion on her actual words or policies. Only on what her detractors think.
Media malpractice.
atheling on August 19, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Preposterous. By that article’s logic she’s no more socialist than George W. Bush ever was since he pushed for Medicare part D. In fact, Palin’s position on government assistance in healthcare is LESS socialist than her executive record passing a windfall tax on Alaska’s massive oil industry and then promptly turning those revenues into an all-new energy assistance entitlement program in the state with the highest highest heating costs in the country.
Fact is the only people who’d paint Palin as left-of-center would have to stretch strict libertarianism pretty damned far to overcome her aggressive opposition to environmental obstruction, her dramatic and career-wide pursuit of spending cuts and most importantly her loud and unapologetic belief in the all-conquering might of American Exceptionalism. That latter part alone is more than enough to overcome any conservative’s misgivings about Palin’s “socialist” policies.
Khorum on August 19, 2009 at 6:06 PM
atheling on August 19, 2009 at 4:26 PM
If HA isn’t up to your standards, you can always leave…
ladyingray on August 19, 2009 at 6:06 PM
And you are comparing Mrs. Palin’s numbers to Obeyme’s…… why?…. apples and oranges….this makes no logical sense. He is the President… a piece of crap, in my humble opinion. She is just developing what she will be…. focus, nimrods, focus.
MNDavenotPC on August 19, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Piss off, cow.
atheling on August 19, 2009 at 6:08 PM
It really IS suspicious that Allahpundit would rather bump up Palin’s poll about a hypothetical candidate in a hypothetical campaign that’s three years in the future WHILST ignoring Palin’s timely and effective jab at precisely the sort of tone-deafness and misplaced fiscal priorities that has a liberal administration and a liberal supermajority fumbling their signature policy proposition.
Khorum on August 19, 2009 at 6:14 PM
atheling on August 19, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Nice.
I look forward to your banning…
…it will happen. You just can’t control your emotions…
…your nothing but an emotional woman.
ladyingray on August 19, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Like all the other limp-wristed “Republicans” (Rich Lowry, David Frum, David Brooks, etc.), AllahPundit has a problem accepting a talented, strong-willed conservative woman (unless she’s signing his paycheck).
bw222 on August 19, 2009 at 6:38 PM
As the cow says, if you don’t like it, don’t come here and read it.
You see, it’s called Media Malpractice, and Allahpundit’s the High School Squad’s Dear Leader. You are not allowed to criticize said Leader, and if you do, they will follow you around, derailing threads and starting flame wars to get you into trouble.
These are bad people. Evil.
atheling on August 19, 2009 at 6:39 PM
I ask all supporters of all potential 2012 candidates, which is more important? Winning back Congress in 2010? Or attempting to bully, intimidate, and silence anyone who does not submit to the views of your most prominent advocates at Hot Air?
And if you think that dumping on anyone who is not following your candidate like sheep is more important than building a team that can stop Obama in 2010, I remind you of the words from a very prominent supporter at Hot Air of a possible, unannounced 2012 presidential candidate:
Thanks, Ed Morrissey and Allahpundit, you traitors.
atheling on July 5, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Are these the kind of freedom of speech suppression tactics your group supports? Are these the kind of hypocritical and tyrannical tactics your candidate endorses?
I believe that for Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin, and Mitt Romney, the answer is an emphatic no. So, I request that you do a little thinking within your camps and decide how you want to proceed, because some of your members, by their consistent bullying at Hot Air may be harming the reputation of your group and candidate more than they are successfully intimidating others into silence.
Loxodonta on August 19, 2009 at 6:40 PM
The High School Squad Leader and Hypocrite has spoken.
Thou art not allowed to criticize their Dear Leader a la Little Green Footballs.
atheling on August 19, 2009 at 6:42 PM
You see, The High School Squad practices calumny and derailment.
They are unconcerned about whether any good journalism is practiced here, so long as they can bully, lie and obfuscate.
They whine about any criticism of the media malpractices of their Leader, yet demand that said Leader be permitted to slander and skew perceptions of Sarah Palin. They pretend that any criticism of their Dear Leader is an attempt to “silence” them or him, yet they attempt to silence anyone who criticizes them or their Leader. If they cannot succeed in that, they then embark on a campaign to intimidate, harass and bully anyone they perceive as a threat to the status quo, just as the Donks and the MSM does to true conservatives like Sarah Palin.
These people are unconcerned about America, conservatism and whether or not the Republic can be saved. They only care about their clique, their Leader, and their egos.
Evil.
atheling on August 19, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Oh, wow! Thanks for proving my point!
(notice that I don’t have to resort to juvenile name calling…thanks!)
ladyingray on August 19, 2009 at 6:49 PM
You have no idea how wrong you are…
ladyingray on August 19, 2009 at 6:51 PM
The High School Squad pretends that they are being “bullied”, yet they follow ME around and bully, harrass, and derail any thread I comment on. I do not follow them, and I ignore them on the main part.
They are evil, vicious jackals who engage in lies, slander and harassment. They are on a campaign to do so, because they have no conscience, no morality, and no principles.
They are hypocrites of the highest order. Now watch. I shall ignore them from now on, yet they will continue their evil campaign of following me around, bullying, derailing and slandering.
atheling on August 19, 2009 at 6:52 PM
While you can’t back up your threats and slurs against other Hot Air posters with any evidence other than your own opinion, I simply quote you:
atheling on July 7, 2009 at 1:02 AM
And ask, who wants to support the attitude expressed in your words?
Loxodonta on August 19, 2009 at 6:57 PM
The fact that many other people on this thread have validly complained about the media malpractice of its author and have been ignored by the High School Squad, while they focus on ME only, proves my point that they are on a vicious, evil campaign to bully, intimidate and slander me.
Note that I have only repeated what many others have complained of, yet the High School Squad have focused their attacks only on me.
That proves my point that their allegations are not based on any principle, but on a personal, vindictive campaign to bully and isolate only me, just as jackals do when they hunt.
They are not good people.
atheling on August 19, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Breath it out, honey!
Or is it hug it out?
Upstater85 on August 19, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Watch as more of the High School Squad swarm onto this thread and attack only me for saying exactly what many other commeters have complained of regarding the media malpractice of the author.
I ignore them, and they focus only on me, because this campaign is not based on any principle, but on personal vendetta.
atheling on August 19, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Heh, like the name HSS.
Here, want me to stamp your victim card again? After 3 punches, you get a free ride on the Wahhh-lercoaster.
Upstater85 on August 19, 2009 at 7:02 PM
The High School Squad closely resembles Little Green Football lizards, who, like the Left, circle the wagons when anyone threatens the status quo.
Sarah Palin has done the same to the GOP, and see how she is isolated and attacked by her own party.
They are part and parcel of the same kind of vicious, mean spirited and ugly campaign.
atheling on August 19, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Says the one with the tongue as pure as the driven snow:
Loxodonta on August 19, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Want some JOOOS to go with that?
Upstater85 on August 19, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Why are you still putting out plaintive cries?
You came to this website, “walking in” with a chip on your shoulder the size of a Texan BBQ, and you wonder why folks have a certain disdain for you.
You don’t walk into someone’s house, piss on the floor, and expect hospitality.
blatantblue on August 19, 2009 at 7:06 PM
“This is unjust!”
blatantblue on August 19, 2009 at 7:08 PM
ME! ME! ME!
Loxodonta on August 19, 2009 at 7:09 PM
All you do is whine and attack AP, atheling (meaning, “royalty”).
blatantblue on August 19, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Other commenters? Really? Where?
ladyingray on August 19, 2009 at 7:10 PM
I have not followed the High School Squad around and started flaming them.
They start the flame wars, with the sole intention of trying to get me banned because they do not like it when I criticize their Dear Leader.
Others have complained of their Leader’s poor journalistic practices when it comes to Sarah Palin, but the High School Squad focuses only on me, like a pack of jackals.
More will swarm here and start their backbiting, lies, and vicious attacks.
Evil people.
atheling on August 19, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Wahhh-lercoaster!!!
Love IT!
ladyingray on August 19, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Wah-wah-wahlercoaster
That’s 3 stamps.
You get a freebie now!
Upstater85 on August 19, 2009 at 7:13 PM
lol
evil people
im one of the most magnanimous people i know
i just have no time for mentally miniscule, rude people like you
blatantblue on August 19, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Heh
I can’t see this, but whatever.
Upstater85 on August 19, 2009 at 7:15 PM
You mean when I posted this?
It was really an attack on you? I need a new decoder ring.
Loxodonta on August 19, 2009 at 7:17 PM
And I REALLY hate this…
ladyingray on August 19, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Do you mean reporting this highly favorable rating of Sarah Palin?
That’s poor journalism? Why?
Loxodonta on August 19, 2009 at 7:21 PM
No Left Turn,
Mike Huckabee did not run for President during half of his term as Gov. He left in Jan, 2007. Also, do you think he was thinking about running for Pres. when he had to increase the taxes of Arkansas…that wouldn’t have been a good thing to do. But, he did help the people of
Arkansas rather than worry about the polls, like some other Pres. candidates did at the time. He was given over $200M in deficits, terrible roads, terrible schools, and when he left office, Arkansas had some of the best roads in the country according to truck drivers, schools that rated #5 in the U.S. and had ove $840M in surplus. Not bad for a Governor who didn’t do anything while he was in office. Also, when John McCain was campaigning for the general election in early 2008, Mike Huckabee still polled 65% in Arkansas. During the primaries with Hillary Clinton also running on the Dem side, Mike Huckabee got over 80+% in Arkansas. So, get over yourself and stop giving false information. BTW, if you think Sarah Palin is good and thinks for herself (I do too), Mike Huckabee is over in Israel right now defending the people’s right to build whereever they want to in their own country and the Obama should not be “demanding” they stop their building so they can appease the Palestinians. Huckabee said our country would not want Israel to tell us who can live in Brooklin or the Bronx. Is that a popular thing for him to say, “no” but he has “ALWAYS” believed these things and sticks by his convictions and principles. This is a man who really believes and supports Israel as our ally. Sarah Palin is not the only Conservative who lives by her convictions.
VFT on August 19, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Bob Anthony,
If you want to insure a Democratic victory in 2012, continue to advocate for Palin to run on the Constitution Party or any other 3rd Party ticket. It would split the Republican vote and guarantee an Obama victory.
VFT on August 19, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Slightly O/T but earlier today there was a Headline with S P’s Facebook posting about Oil & Gas Exploration and now I can’t find it. Does anyone know if it was removed, if so why, or am I just blind and can’t locate it?
Red State State of Mind on August 19, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Keep eating the Cracker Jack. The ring is at the very, very bottom : )
Red State State of Mind on August 19, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Amazing that she’s polling so well with GOP given the rough month of news about her.
Still definitely a player
AnninCA on August 19, 2009 at 9:08 PM
You’re not blind. But do you know how to find an old headline? I’m not aware of a headline search function on Hot Air. Which makes it more difficult, Allahpundit!
So, to find a recent headline that is no longer on the front page, click the “All Headlines” button at the center-bottom of the the headlines section.
Then, take a guess at which section of All Headlines the article would be filed. But this may not be obvious, Allahpundit!
The groups are: Politics, War/Terrorism, Science/Technology, or Miscellany. This one could be either of the first two, but I guessed “Politics,” and it turned out I was correct.
Then use the Back Button “»” next to the group title to scan back through the Politics section until you find the article. And if you happen to scan back too far, as I did by mistake because I’m such a klutz, you can use the Forward Button, “«” to scan forward again, page by page, backwards and forwards until you happen to stumble upon it. Because the articles aren’t dated, Allahpundit!
So, you may have to open one and see if you went back too far, etc., then go forward again. The system is sort of as Byzantine as the Vatican libraries, but I’m an ecumenical Catholic, so…
And then, if you have the least bit of luck at all, you can find the article. At about the rate of once in a blue moon, Allahpundit!
And it’s your lucky millenia, as here is the article; Your tax dollars hard at work: First cars, now foreign oil. And here is the comments section.
That will be one cookie, please. Never mind. I’ll get one myself. I need it. That was a lot of work.
Loxodonta on August 19, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Yes, dear!
Loxodonta on August 19, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Here is the article; Your tax dollars hard at work: First cars, now foreign oil. And here is the comments section.
Loxodonta on August 19, 2009 at 10:33 PM
No, you’re not the one of the ones blind to such things.
exception on August 19, 2009 at 10:54 PM
I am starting to agree with the critics as well. Allah cherry picks the data (against Palin). I guess HA is his site so he gets to do whatever he wants like Charles Johnson at LGF.
That makes this site Allah’s house and if we criticize him that is akin to pissing on his floor. Except there is no floor and there is no piss; otherwise it is the same.
And he could ban us or delete our posts which is the same as cleaning up the piss which doesn’t exist on the invisible floor. But Allah does not ban us or delete our posts. Maybe he knows it is not like piss on the floor, or something obligatory or other.
Geochelone on August 19, 2009 at 10:58 PM
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