How is that Post Office comparison working now?

posted at 11:38 am on August 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Last week, Barack Obama tried to reassure people that the government could compete with the free market in health care by using the post office as an example:

Now, the only thing that I have said is that having a public option in that menu would provide competition for insurance companies to keep them honest.

Now, I recognize, though, you make a legitimate — you raise a legitimate concern. People say, well, how can a private company compete against the government? And my answer is that if the private insurance companies are providing a good bargain, and if the public option has to be self-sustaining — meaning taxpayers aren’t subsidizing it, but it has to run on charging premiums and providing good services and a good network of doctors, just like any other private insurer would do — then I think private insurers should be able to compete. They do it all the time. (Applause.)

I mean, if you think about — if you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? No, they are. It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems. (Laughter.)

If Obama hoped to assuage fears by comparing ObamaCare to the US Post Office, he may have been more right than he realized. In fact, the US Post Office is careening towards bankruptcy at an increasing clip, and may collapse soon if it doesn’t get significantly changed. The factors driving the bankruptcy are practically a prediction of what will happen to ObamaCare after its implementation:

The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) recently announced that the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) is at risk of financial insolvency.

The post office made GAO’s list of government operations that are considered costly and “high risk.” GAO submits its High Risk Series report to Congress every two years…. The last year USPS reported income from its operations was in 2006. Beginning in 2007, its fortunes soured and it began to report significant losses: $5 billion at the end of fiscal year (FY) 2007 and $3 billion in FY 2008, according to its annual financial report. On June 30, 2009, the third quarter of its fiscal year, the USPS reported a staggering $4.7 billion net loss.

What factors did the GAO highlight?

The culprit is a combination of economic realities, increased reliance on e-mail, and the USPS’s inability to address problems effectively and efficiently, according to the GAO.

“USPS urgently needs to restructure to address its current and long-term financial viability. USPS has not been able to cut costs fast enough to offset the accelerated decline in mail volume and revenue—particularly costs related to its workforce, retail and processing networks, and delivery services,” read the GAO’s High Risk Series release.

The USPS responded by blaming the nature of bureaucracies:

“We are subject to Congressional oversight, regulation by other government agencies, and also oversight by various other organizations and the public,” USPS said in their annual report. “If we cannot successfully address their various, and sometimes competing, concerns, we may be subject to greater regulation, which could increase our costs or otherwise place additional burdens on our operations,” USPS warned regulators in the annual report.

Sound familiar?  The government has created a regulatory system for the USPS that breeds inefficiency, stagnation, and waste.  The competing interests of Congress and multiple levels of regulatory oversight creates an often-contradictory burden that increases cost and damages consumer satisfaction.  Top that off with a pension/health fund that Congress mandated in 2006, and you have a recipe for disaster.  It’s a recipe that Barack Obama hails as his model for ObamaCare, and in that, he’s more right than he knows.

So what will Congress do to address the USPS crisis?  Privatization has gathered momentum, as Congress may want to shed itself of the entire mess.  If so, we will have the unusual juxtaposition of the federal government washing its hands of a service it has run since the founding of the republic, while simultaneously nationalizing what has always been a private enterprise: health care.  It sounds as if this administration really hasn’t paid any attention at all to the lessons of the US Postal Service, and perhaps that’s why Obama issued that tone-deaf metaphor last week.

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Liberals want you all dead.

Apologetic California on August 18, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Ogabe is making our case for us.

Didn’t take long for Mr. Wonderful to showcase his utter lack of experience and ability to tackle anything beyond tying his own shoes.

Bishop on August 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Obama’s comparison of the Post Office vs. FedEx and UPS was ODD at best, it was stupid at worst.

Whatever his reason for making that statement – you have to question the man’s intelligence.

Very odd thing to have said.

jake-the-goose on August 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM

TOTUS must have been having a Bad Night–all hung over from all that Excessive Constant Lying & Whining

as TOTUS goes, so goes the Obama….

Janos Hunyadi on August 18, 2009 at 11:42 AM

After Obama said the post office thing the first time one would think someone in the White House would have told him what a fail it was. But then Obama continued to use the line. I thought his handlers had better control over him.

myrenovations on August 18, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Apologetic California on August 18, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Well, leftists are responsible for over 150 million deaths in the 20th century. Who is to say they won’t try to top that in the 21st?

PimFortuynsGhost on August 18, 2009 at 11:43 AM

He’s so eloquent when he is demonizing but turns into a stumbling, bumbling fool when attempting to be logical.

sherry on August 18, 2009 at 11:43 AM

This is a good talking point when you find yourself chatting with liberals. They’ll do to medicine what they did to package delivery.

Mojave Mark on August 18, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Liberals want you all dead.

Apologetic California on August 18, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Far out, man–that’s heavy. But, you know, the thing is that liberals want to commit National Suicide. You can kill yourselves, man, but don’t drag the rest of ‘us’ with you

Janos Hunyadi on August 18, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Funny in all that blame of regulation killing off the USPS that no mention was made of the union and the inability to control personnel staffing levels/costs without collective bargaining becoming involved.

highhopes on August 18, 2009 at 11:44 AM

The first time he used this example I guffawed. I couldn’t believe it.

I don’t understand Team Obama using an example that does nothing but cut the legs right out from under their case. It does this perfectly yet they don’t seem to get it.

I say, hehe, keep it up. Trumpet the P.O. as a shining example for Gov’t Care to be patterned upon. That same great Postal Service that is laying people off, closing locations, getting rid of stamp machines, hemorhagging money. Yeah, perfect.

JoeinTX on August 18, 2009 at 11:44 AM

The attention span of a gnat.

percysunshine on August 18, 2009 at 11:44 AM

The government has created a regulatory system for the USPS that breeds inefficiency, stagnation, and waste.

Duh, its what they want.

nolapol on August 18, 2009 at 11:44 AM

but he’s so dreamy…

D2Boston on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

See, Obama knows the truth. Heavily regulated companies (like the USPS) cannot survive indefinitely. They need to be subsidized to keep functional.

If he knows this, why does he push for the same thing on a bigger part of the economy?

Unless you accept the idea that Obamacare is intended to be malevolent, it makes no sense.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

A Post Office-like entity administering Health Care… Hello union work ethic!

mjbrooks3 on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

The statement Obama made was stupidly done so. Who wants a beer?

trs on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Anyone who digresses all over the place and lies dissembles is going to make a stupid mistake.

rlwo2008 on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Community organizer meets reality, after being elected POTUS by moronic electorate.

Hening on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Americans: But I don’t want to be the equivalent of a Sears Catalog.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Every time they raised their rates, I did more business and paid more bills through billpay on the computer. So now I only pay 2 bills a month with checks and snail mail. And if I want to ship something, I go to UPS or FedEx.

It’s not rocket science. You give lousy service for high rates, people beat feet for something better and cheaper.

Sarah2053 on August 18, 2009 at 11:46 AM

USPS survives on junk mail… USHC survives on denying care to the elderly.

mjbrooks3 on August 18, 2009 at 11:47 AM

A Post Office-like entity administering Health Care… Hello union work ethic!

mjbrooks3 on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Lady, I can’t deliver your baby now, it’s break time.

ICBM on August 18, 2009 at 11:48 AM

one would think someone in the White House would have told him what a fail it was. But then Obama continued to use the line. I thought his handlers had better control over him.

myrenovations on August 18, 2009 at 11:42 AM

An editorial in Washington Examiner even called it the moment that healthcare reform died when he said it the first time. For whatever reason, the filthy liar’s administration is imploding. They are not on message to the point that no two officials say the same thing on any given day with the result of Robert Gibbs spending the next day disavowing what one or more officials said the previous day. Where’s Raham Emanual? This is all his fault.

highhopes on August 18, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Ogabe is making our case for us.

Didn’t take long for Mr. Wonderful to showcase his utter lack of experience and ability to tackle anything beyond tying his own shoes.

Which is why his shoes have velcro. Tool.

txrmctague on August 18, 2009 at 11:48 AM

I saw the clip of Uhhbamuhh comparing the USPS to FedEx and UPS a while back and thought it was a really bad example (if you were pro-Uhhbamuhhcare)to use. He MUST have gone off teleprompter for that one. Anytime he goes off the ‘prompter, he get himself into trouble. And I’m okay with that!

Battlecruiser-operational on August 18, 2009 at 11:48 AM

er uh when I said um “post office” I uh uh uh uh er as has always been my position um allow me to be uh perfectly um clear we can leave out the uh uh reduced services offered in that um little ah metaphor…

//Chairman Soetoro

sven10077 on August 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM

All I want to know is… how will this effect my Netflix account?????

sammypants on August 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM

The only thing I’d like to see the post office get is a new poster…..

Wanted : Erkel
for crimes against America and it’s citizens.

Also, please use the Joker pic

Jerome Horwitz on August 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM

The only thing that people trust the USPS with is junk mail…bills are handled online or through auto payments.

Then again, when Obama comes calling and asks where the premium for the public plan I owe is…I can say the check is in the mail.

CMonster on August 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I really liked that one article that called obama out as a bullsh1t artist. It’s so true. He has not a clue what the hell he’s doing, he just wants to be king and implement as many leftist, socialist policies as possible.

His thinking is exactly like that of the post office and he’ll apply exactly that screwed up logic to the health care system. Things too expensive? Costs too high? Well, the answer then is to increase the bureaucracy and reduce services! Of course with health care this means no more old people getting care, no more disabled people getting care, and you average folk better just stay healthy while you pay more, more, and more because you aren’t getting squat for care either.

I hope all those “moderates” felt all that white guilt wash away when they voted for this assclown. Gee, that was SO worth is, wasn’t it you idiots.

Spiritk9 on August 18, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Obama thinks he is First Class but he is simply a media male.

With the MSM pimps propping up his sorry butt, he would have been laughed offstage years ago.

Stamp him RETURN TO SENDER.

profitsbeard on August 18, 2009 at 11:50 AM

sammypants on August 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Bah. I give netflix 5 years anyways before it’s gone. Netflix is just the next step in the evolution of on demand movies at home. Imagine that, in the 21st century, we are mailing CDs around to each other with movies on them. It’s silly.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM

A Post Office-like entity administering Health Care… Hello union work ethic!

mjbrooks3 on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

“This man is dying. We need a doctor immediately! If we don’t do something, he’ll be brain-dead within 10 minutes.”

“Sorry, I’m on my union-enforced 15 minute coffee break.”

Daggett on August 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Every time they raised their rates, I did more business and paid more bills through billpay on the computer. So now I only pay 2 bills a month with checks and snail mail.

Sarah2053 on August 18, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Same here. I think I pay only the MUD bill through the mail. And once those prehistoric morons get with the times and offer automatic withdrawal, I’ll be done with the post office for all of my bills.

I still use the post office to ship all the stuff I sell on eBay. 95% of the items are under a pound though, so I can always use the automated machine and avoid lines. The postal workers are completely incompetent. They can’t even figure out whether DVDs can be sent using media mail rates even though their own website says they can.

Doughboy on August 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Couldn’t believe he REPEATED this analogy yesterday. The first time came off as a classic gaffe, the second time … It’s as if Joe Biden went back to MO and said “Stand up, Chuck. O what am I talking about? God love ya.”

Christian Conservative on August 18, 2009 at 11:52 AM

How do privatize the USPS and not have a company that is burdended by regulations?

Two straightforward reforms:

- 3 day a week delivery. You receive mail wither M, W, & F xor Tu, Th, & Sat.
- Defined contribution retirement plan (drop defined benefit).

WashJeff on August 18, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Netflix is just the next step in the evolution of on demand movies at home. Imagine that, in the 21st century, we are mailing CDs around to each other with movies on them. It’s silly.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM

They offer downloads as well, just waiting for the storage space in home computers to catch up before most people use it. Once Netflix goes all wire, USPS is dead.

Vashta.Nerada on August 18, 2009 at 11:52 AM

It’s time to save the US Postal Service by cutting service hours and raising the price! I’m sure the American taxpayers don’t mind subsidizing the postal workers union any more than they mind subsidizing the auto workers.

mchristian on August 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Unless you accept the idea that Obamacare is intended to be malevolent, it makes no sense.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

A lot of us have had the feeling from the start that what Osama Obama wants to do is destroy the nation. Haven’t seen any action from him yet to refute that idea.

MrScribbler on August 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Obama: Un, I don’t recall receiving any letters of complaints about the healthcare bill.

DrAllecon on August 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM

My friend who works for the PO says the problem is a complete drop in advertising mailers. That’s the bread and butter stuff.

And a lot of advertising has simply stopped.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I just saw Allah’s flame, K Powers on Fox. She really dissolved into talking over her counterpart by loudly complaining about conservatives telling lies about “death panels”. They must be getting desperate. All they got is someone is telling lies about death panels?

d1carter on August 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Of course, the Post Office is a great example, because it demonstrates the idea of Constitutionality. The federal government runs the post office for one reason and one reason only, because it is specifically instructed to in the Constitution – Article 1, Section 8:

The Congress shall have Power To

[ ... ]

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

The immediate question the is begged by The Precedent’s not-well-thought-out example is,

“Where in the Constitution is Congress given the power to create companies in order to ‘provide competition’ to the private sector?”

Congress only has the powers that are given to it, not any power that it has the ability to pay for. The affirmative action Constitutional scholar (LOL) needs to be forced to give a Constitutional basis for his idiocy. Clearly, there is none and The Precedent will be left babbling incoherently (as usual). It will be instructive to all to show that he has never even given any thught (with his 2 watt mind) to this problem.

Of course, we also know that The Precedent’s notion of the Constitution is like that of most lefties – they don’t think there is anything in the Constitution outside of a few of the rights detailed in the amendments. Leftists tend to skip past the main body of the Constitution, which gives the detailed architecture of our government, and concentrate on nothing but a few of the rights at the end. This is why The Precedent said something as stupid as “the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties, saying what the government can’t do to you …” [paraphrased], because he wasn’t thinking of the Constitution but only certain amendments, as the Constitution is mostly a detailed description of the makeup and power of the various arms of the federal government.

Once again, thanks to Harvard for graduating such a retard. Good job, d*ckheads.

progressoverpeace on August 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM

The GAO is racist. so is the post office. oh and so is math.

elduende on August 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Obama has the solution at hand (sic).

He simply has to call in all the postal workers, yank out their tonsils, cut off their feet, and declare the problem solved.

Next…

Yoop on August 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I mean, if you think about — if you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? No, they are. It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems. (Laughter.)

You’re.Making.Our.Point.

NickelAndDime on August 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Three words: 1) bureaucracy 2)unions and 3)unaccountability on the first two. Some of the bureaucratic complaints are the same as in all big organizations, I talk to the UPS and FedEx guys. Regarding the unions: I’ve said it here before, and I say it to local people…you want to see what is going to happen in private business everywhere (regarding unions), come take a look at us. In my small office, just two bad apples on the carrier side, and one bad clerk, and it brings the whole thing down. It obliterates our efficiency numbers. In an indirect manner, it brings everyone else down, because why the H E Double Hockey Sticks should we work double, to make up for what the privileged class won’t do? I realized that aspect of human nature many years ago, which was a massive problem with the USSR and other socialist economies. Then I learned the lesson up close and personal at work.

A warning folks, and anyone who questions this, I can tell you with a voice of experience: The combination of forced unionization, and the racial bullies (on the rise since Jan ’09) will bring our economy down.

bikermailman on August 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I think his brain must have misfired and he accidently spoke the truth. But to repeat it the next day, what’s up with that?

USPS really is the perfect analogy for ObamaCare. And to think it came out of the Won’s own mouth. If this passes we could all end up in the Dead Letter Office.

lamykat on August 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM

It’s not rocket science. You give lousy service for high rates, people beat feet for something better and cheaper.

Sarah2053 on August 18, 2009 at 11:46 AM

And more convenient. I pay all my bills online so I rarely mail anything other than the occasional birthday card. The question has to be asked- what exactly do we expect from the USPS. Are some of their services expendable? Is home delivery a must? Six days a week?

Bottom line, as far as I’m concerned, if the filthy liar in the White House wants to reform something, how about he fix the USPS before he tries putting his paws on a system that is (for the most part) working for most Americans.

highhopes on August 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Then again, when Obama comes calling and asks where the premium for the public plan I owe is…I can say the check is in the mail.

CMonster on August 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Nope. It will be automatically withdrawn from your bank accounts.

myrenovations on August 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM

The attention span of a gnat.

percysunshine on August 18, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Gnats worldwide just took great offense.

anglee99 on August 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Once Netflix goes all wire, USPS is dead.

Vashta.Nerada on August 18, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Exactly. It is the only thing I get in the mail that isn’t thrown out. I don’t need three Bed Bath and Beyond coupons a week.

sammypants on August 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Vashta.Nerada on August 18, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Yeah. Crappy 30 year old movies are downloadable. Or things no one wants to watch. And you have to have internet explorer (doesn’t work in firefox).

Though, that they stream to my xbox 360 is pretty sweet.

I’m talking about new releases (blockbusters) streamable right away.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM

OT: Breaking: Robert Novak has died.

Weight of Glory on August 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Long lines
Indifferent service
Losing money
Lost mail
Lost packages
Inefficiency
Stagnation
Waste
Bureaucracy
Union work ethics
Outdated crappy facilities
Raised rates
Decreased service

And those are the good parts…..HAH!!!

PatriotRider on August 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Okay, I will finally admit it…Obama was correct…

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Bob Novak dead. Wow.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2009 at 11:57 AM

o/t: not exactly dead. the headline at drudge said robt. novak had died……developing.

so has he died & is that condition developing into death or what?

kelley in virginia on August 18, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Nope. It will be automatically withdrawn from your bank accounts.

myrenovations on August 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM

So that’s why the TARP money was doled out…

CMonster on August 18, 2009 at 11:58 AM

lorien1973 on August 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM

They offer downloads as well, just waiting for the storage space in home computers to catch up before most people use it. Once Netflix goes all wire, USPS is dead.

Vashta.Nerada on August 18, 2009 at 11:52 AM

RedBox, DVD rental via vending machine ($1 per night) is very convienent and does not run into the issues of getting from a computer, or buying another box, to the TV screen. Actually the movie studios hate RedBOX su much they just anounced that DVD rental vending machines will not have access to movies until 28 days after their release. They think these machines are hurting sales.

WashJeff on August 18, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Gnats worldwide just took great offense.

anglee99 on August 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Damn it! Now their are going to organize into a community. They probably like ACORNS, too. :-(

Yoop on August 18, 2009 at 11:58 AM

and believe it or not, i first saw the robt. novak news at a virginia democrat blog. “not larry sabato”.

kelley in virginia on August 18, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Will government-run health care facilities have posters of the 10 most wanted elderly people who refuse to show up for their death panel sentencing?

SouthernGent on August 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM

I think his brain must have misfired and he accidently spoke the truth. But to repeat it the next day, what’s up with that?

lamykat on August 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Because The Precedent is a true and impenetrable moron. He’s just that stupid.

progressoverpeace on August 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM

“We are subject to Congressional oversight, regulation by other government agencies, and also oversight by various other organizations and the public,” USPS said in their annual report. “If we cannot successfully address their various, and sometimes competing, concerns, we may be subject to greater regulation, which could increase our costs or otherwise place additional burdens on our operations,” USPS warned regulators in the annual report.

Take ObamaCare…..add government….and multiply tenfold.

Bake at 450 degrees for desired effect—8 to 800 hrs.

Rovin on August 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM

- 3 day a week delivery. You receive mail wither M, W, & F xor Tu, Th, & Sat.
- Defined contribution retirement plan (drop defined benefit).

WashJeff on August 18, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Actually, we largely have the retirement thing, it’s similar to most large companies in America. The Civil Service? There are still a few old timers around who fall under that plan, but all hires since ’82 are stuck with Social (in)Security like the rest of you schlubs. A small pension (roughly half the CS guys), and the functional equivalent of a 401(k), matching money up to 5%, yadda yadda.

I will make the defense of the PO on this one point, which NO ONE in the media, left or right has raised: We are the only agency in the nation, public or private, who is required by law to prefund our retiree health costs. To the tune of over $5bln this year. That’s almost the whole deficit.

bikermailman on August 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Then again, when Obama comes calling and asks where the premium for the public plan I owe is…I can say the check is in the mail.

CMonster on August 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Nope. It will be automatically withdrawn from your bank accounts.

myrenovations on August 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Not from my accounts it won’t. I fully intend to promote a run on the banks if this crap passes. I won’t put enough in a bank for him to bother trying to steal, and if he steals THAT, I’ll sue his miserable ass.

Spiritk9 on August 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM

She really dissolved into talking over her counterpart by loudly complaining about conservatives telling lies about “death panels”. They must be getting desperate. All they got is someone is telling lies about death panels?

d1carter on August 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM

The left is really jumping all over the “misinformation” about that end of life clause. They don’t like it that everybody knows what the term death panel means but they are, once again, missing the big point. The whole issue got traction because of a real fear that government wants to diminish quality of life for seniors. The filthy liar didn’t help dispel this fear when he talked about pain pills over surgery in one of the earlier town halls.

Death panels arose out of the administration and Congress trying to rush through legislation larded with these social issues instead of starting out with a clean bill that dealt with insurance reforms.

highhopes on August 18, 2009 at 12:02 PM

…we may be subject to greater regulation, which could increase our costs or otherwise place additional burdens on our operations

Yup… More bureaucracy = less efficiency and less responsiveness. Has anyone ever heard of an “agile bureaucracy”? The perfect argument for private sector vs government. Even in the private sector a big problem is that companies become bureaucratic and lose efficiency and responsiveness. Then they go out of business as a new company that is more responsive and agile replaces them. Not so with government, which just taxes more and piles on more bureaucracy to solve the problem.

irishlad317 on August 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Let me help set some perspective here folks, I think the Post Office gets unfair criticism. I used to work at Pitney Bowes, the US company that sells postage machines, among other things. The USPS delivers more mail in a single day than UPS and FedEx do in a year. Combined. They handle packages and parcels of every imaginable size.

And furthermore, the public has no idea how interwoven all three are. The USPS is often the final delivery arm for UPS and FedEx. All three share planes and postal carriers.

Think about it. You send a letter out and most often it reaches its US destination in three business days. The vast majority in two days.

So while its fun to make fun of the USPS, I think they deserve a little credit.

cannonball on August 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM

BHO not only is out of touch with the way of the world, he is out of touch with reality! BHO…”We messed up Social Security, the Post office, Medicare, Clunkers for Cash, but trust me we know how to run your health care,,,honest we do, just ask TOTUS.”

Teleycoman on August 18, 2009 at 12:04 PM

RedBox, DVD rental via vending machine ($1 per night) is very convienent and does not run into the issues of getting from a computer, or buying another box, to the TV screen. Actually the movie studios hate RedBOX su much they just anounced that DVD rental vending machines will not have access to movies until 28 days after their release. They think these machines are hurting sales.

WashJeff on August 18, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I love RedBox.

myrenovations on August 18, 2009 at 12:04 PM

USPS survives on junk mail… USHC survives on denying care to the elderly.

mjbrooks3 on August 18, 2009 at 11:47 AM

How true. I counted todays mail to find 10 pieces of junk/advertising to 1 valid bill/statement.

—-

On another quip about my disdain for the USPS. Here is the only entity that will not accept my credit card because is states ‘See Photo ID’ and is not signed. Yet, I can send a check through their Stamps by Mail program with no id involved. Or I can go online and use my CC, but they charge a fee for this ‘Service’ arrrgh, the USPS is NOT customer friendly.

bbordwell on August 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Long lines
Indifferent service
Losing money
Lost mail
Lost packages
Inefficiency
Stagnation
Waste
Bureaucracy
Union work ethics
Outdated crappy facilities
Raised rates
Decreased service

My post office is great. So is my DMV. You call and make an appointment and *whisk* walk right in and do your business at the DMV. The post office is always briskly moving, and I’ve dealt with the same people there for probably 15 to 20 years. They are calm, can’t ruffle them, and can figure out what you need at the lower cost without even having to think.

Some of the problems, in short, with government services has to do with local management, obviously.

I’d much rather use the post office than my local Fed Express. Half of the time Fed Ex doesn’t deliver as promised in my area, and getting reimbursement? Ha! Like pulling teeth.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM

This post is awesome.

I’m debating some wackjob liberal on FB about this exact video. He’s like “the post office is a great example of government efficiency” and literally said that “Government programs shouldn’t have to earn profits: its success is measured in services rendered.”

Now this article comes to light. The USPS is headed for bankruptcy and we’re considering privatizing it.

Ohhhh,it’s like Christmas morning!!!!

UnLiberaledWoman on August 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM

A Post Office-like entity administering Health Care… Hello union work ethic!

mjbrooks3 on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Anyone experience the USPS equivilent of “tracking”? It’s pathetic. Now extend that to a simple thing like e-medical records. What could go wrong?

NickelAndDime on August 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM

The prez has the tendency of a lot of people, who simply say what they think must be said to rebut the most recently made point. He is driven by his ideology, and his faith in elites knowing what is best for everyone. He is not making a well thought out, principled, coherent argument, and this is obvious to the folks showing up at townhall meetings.

jmurphy on August 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM

OT: Breaking: Robert Novak has died.

Weight of Glory on August 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM

And Bret Favre is heading for the Minnesota Vikings. What a putz.

Knucklehead on August 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM

RIP Robert Novak

Watch the slime flow from Kos and Huffpo…

rightside on August 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM

One small ironic symptom of the Postal Service’s disease is their annual day of food collection for the poor. Here you have an agency that doesn’t even do a superior job of delivering mail making its carriers haul cans of lima beans back to their trucks. It’s a liberal “feel good” program that pastes a one-day happy face on the agency that, in a decade or two, will probably charge you more than a buck to send a letter.

whitetop on August 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM

So while its fun to make fun of the USPS, I think they deserve a little credit.

Obviously, I agree. But I hadn’t realized they cooperate with private business. That was interesting info. Thanks.

AnninCA on August 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM

So while its fun to make fun of the USPS, I think they deserve a little credit.

cannonball on August 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM

It is a phenomenal system, but it is broken by bureaucracy.
The only thing “saving” it is that it is not private, and have to pay lobbyists and politicians.

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM

I will make the defense of the PO on this one point, which NO ONE in the media, left or right has raised: We are the only agency in the nation, public or private, who is required by law to prefund our retiree health costs. To the tune of over $5bln this year. That’s almost the whole deficit.

bikermailman on August 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM

That’s a good point to be making but, honestly, would the USPS be a viable organization if cash alone were the issue? There is an inherent and systemic managerial problem that is built into the USPS culture. When it was at its very worst, the term “going postal” was coined for obvious reasons. Personally, I’m against privitazation more for traditional reasons than anything else but I think it is time for a complete reconsideration about what the mission, role, and functions are in light of the fact that letters are almost archaic in today’s society.

highhopes on August 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Obama has the solution at hand (sic).

He simply has to call in all the postal workers, yank out their tonsils, cut off their feet, and declare the problem solved.

Next…

Yoop on August 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Yoop: That is priceless; made me laugh out loud. And so true…. thanks for the morning brightener!

chai on August 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Look at it from Obama’s perspective. This is what he knows about business. The government runs the post office. Obama gets tons of mail each day. Everything is yip and yimminy! Everything can work the same way. Government runs it, and he gets his!
Git it?

JeffinOrlando on August 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM

NEWS on January 21, 2013:

In his first executive order after being sworn in yesterday for his second term, President Obama reduced the number of days healthcare will be provided. Citing the need to reduce costs, he ordered all hospital and medical facilities closed on Saturdays and Sundays, except for those providing end of life services.

TXUS on August 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM

And Bret Favre is heading for the Minnesota Vikings. What a putz.

Knucklehead on August 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Even the Bears secondary can intercept him nowadays.

WashJeff on August 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Let me help set some perspective here folks, I think the Post Office gets unfair criticism. I used to work at Pitney Bowes, the US company that sells postage machines, among other things. The USPS delivers more mail in a single day than UPS and FedEx do in a year. Combined. They handle packages and parcels of every imaginable size.

And furthermore, the public has no idea how interwoven all three are. The USPS is often the final delivery arm for UPS and FedEx. All three share planes and postal carriers.

Think about it. You send a letter out and most often it reaches its US destination in three business days. The vast majority in two days.

So while its fun to make fun of the USPS, I think they deserve a little credit.

cannonball on August 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM

There’s nothing to credit when we’re subsidizing it and it’s billions in the hole. Dismantle it, have private carriers take over, open it up for the cheapest bid and you’re done.

Jeff from WI on August 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM

And Bret Favre is heading for the Minnesota Vikings. What a putz.

Knucklehead on August 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Even the Bears secondary can intercept him nowadays.

WashJeff on August 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Great, I really hate the Vikings.

Jeff from WI on August 18, 2009 at 12:09 PM

but he’s so dreamy…

D2Boston on August 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Thanks for that chuckle. LOL

marklmail on August 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Comes from being truly tone-deaf to what others think.

Doug on August 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM

The better analogy to the USPS vs.FedEx/UPS is the overwhelming popularity of Medicare Advantage and Health Savings Accounts versus regular Medicare and conventional low-deductible high-premium health insurance plans. Medicare Advantage has signed up far more subscribers at lower cost than even the optimistic forecasts when it was enacted. Same with HSAs.

Yet the Waxman bill would kill both Medicare Advantage and HSAs. This would be like passing legislation to outlaw FedEx and UPS. Obama is too stupid to grasp this.

rockmom on August 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Don’t forget that the USPS has raised the price of postage 10 CENTS in the last 8 years, even though they are the only ones allowed to provide the service. Postage hikes = tax hikes under ObamaCare

Butters on August 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM

I will make the defense of the PO on this one point, which NO ONE in the media, left or right has raised: We are the only agency in the nation, public or private, who is required by law to prefund our retiree health costs. To the tune of over $5bln this year. That’s almost the whole deficit.

bikermailman on August 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Reads like th USPS got rid of defined benefits…GOOD. Now if all public employees can be moved to defined contribution plans.

On the health care after retirement, I do not think many, if any, private companies fund health care for retirees. I have not work for a large company for 13 years, so I could be mistaken. Employees staying with a private company for their whole working life are long gone, except in public\government jobs (e.g., Teachers). A benefit package like this does not make sense to me.

WashJeff on August 18, 2009 at 12:15 PM

But the government runs the military, which does a successful job of managing genocide.

/sesquipedophile

Chuck Schick on August 18, 2009 at 12:16 PM

OT: The Daily Beast is dumping on…Gibbs.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-08-17/secretary-of-defensiveness/?cid=hp:mainpromo2

BuckeyeSam on August 18, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Think about it. You send a letter out and most often it reaches its US destination in three business days. The vast majority in two days.

So while its fun to make fun of the USPS, I think they deserve a little credit.

cannonball on August 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Allow me to present the other side of the same coin.

I had one of those cluster mailboxes at the townhouse I was living in. For whatever reason, the master lock stopped working (the one that opens the unit up for the postman) Did they let anybody know that mail wasn’t being delivered? No. Did they tell their supervisor that they couldn’t deliver mail? No. Long story short, it took six families a week to figure out what was going on and to track down their mail at the local post office. It took another two months, tons of excuses from the stationmaster, and involvement by the regional USPS authority before anything was done about the problem. Why? Because it was the customer’s problem and not the delivery person.

highhopes on August 18, 2009 at 12:17 PM

cannonball on August 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM

If the USPS delivers more items per day than UPS or FEDEx combined delivers in a year, then the USPS should be 365 times more profitable than the two… Not the best logic, I know….

I’m just saying… Trim the fat, provide better customer service… With 10 pieces of junk mail delivered to my house today today, that’s probably about $3 of income to the USPS for today just to my house… multiply 44 cents by the billions of mail delivered per day… come on, your going broke?

bbordwell on August 18, 2009 at 12:17 PM

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