Exclusive: Fred Thompson on health-care reform
posted at 5:30 pm on August 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
In a Hot Air exclusive, radio host and former Senator and presidential candidate Fred Thompson writes about the end-of-life provisions in versions of Barack Obama’s health-care reform plan. Thompson helped to tee up the “end of life counseling” issue several weeks ago, and since then been addressing the various mischaracterizations, which the left has attempted to use to do to citizens’ concerns about the health care issue what “end of life counseling” would do for some Americans. Here is the latest installment.
As the Obama Administration and Democrats in Congress grow weary of the voices of opposition that arose from what citizens saw as radical and unnecessary changes to the American healthcare system, it appears some Democrats are looking to hit that “reset” button President Obama seems to want to push every time reality hits him in the face. He may yet be able to reset the healthcare debate, but it’s important to recall how he and his party got into this mess, and why concerned citizens should remain vigilant.
The controversies surrounding the public option and specifically end-of-life counseling provisions in the House health-care bill are what happens when an attempt is made to ram through a complex, thousand-page bill before people have had a chance to read it, much less digest it. The skepticism that people have toward their government has increased from an already disturbingly high level, and based on what we’ve seen from the Obama administration, such skepticism is warranted.
The stated purpose of this health care bill is to provide insurance for the uninsured and “bend the cost curve” downward especially with regard to medical expenses for the elderly. With the defeat of the Obama-Pelosi legislative road map and vote schedule, people had the opportunity to examine the bill and surprise, surprise found provisions in it, such as a provision for end of life counseling that would actually add costs for Medicare patients, and had nothing to do with the stated purpose of the bill.
So the skeptics ask themselves what is the real purpose of this end-of-life provision? Is this just another little service add-on to our already bankrupt Medicare program that, incidentally, President Obama says he is going to squeeze for every savings he can get? Or is this provision a cost savings provision that, even with the additional doctors’ fees, will save the government money to help pay for the 45 million newly insured?
Now let’s see, how could counseling concerning end of life decisions help save the government money?
Apparently it hasn’t taken long for many seniors to figure this one out. For those concerned with the lack of courtesy shown at townhall meetings, imagine what those gatherings would’ve been like if this bill had already been signed into law as the President had originally insisted.
The issue here is not whether a living will or a durable power of attorney are good things, although these fall under the expertise of legal counsel not doctors, doctors’ assistants or nurse practitioners as provided for in the bill. People simply have concerns that some very undesirable results might occur among the hundreds of thousands of cases when a government panel decides what treatments are reimbursable to a government-paid medical practitioner who is giving advice to people who are perhaps at their most vulnerable.
Instead of addressing the reasoning behind this provision, the White House and the left have, true to form, tried to change the subject, construct straw-men and demonize the critics of this provision. Although the critics have been many, the left has given my syndicated radio show credit for initially raising these issues and have portrayed bill opponents as right wing fanatics who claim that the government wants to kill our grandparents. In a August 1 front page Washington Post article voice was given to “Democratic sources” who indicated that critics of the provision in question were little more than fanatics who were grossly distorting the language of the provision.
I responded in a Washington Times op-ed specifically setting forth the questionable language of the provision which I believe clearly justifies the concerns that have been expressed. Incidentally, other commentators sympathetic to the healthcare legislation have now expressed similar concerns about the provision.
None the less, distortions of our concern still occur. On August 12 Barbara Coombs Lee of “Compassion and Choices” posted on Huffington Post and accused critics of claiming that the government has a plot to euthanize people with disabilities. She stated that these claims were first made on my radio show. Then she states that I, apparently in a fit of conscience or enlightenment, changed my mind and said, “Is this a conspiracy to kill off Granny? No. Will seniors be forced to make decisions they don’t want to make? No.”
Lee apparently tired of the subject because she failed to report the next three sentences where I stated, “But will ‘practitioners’ be encouraged to have end of life discussions that include when it might be best for patients to allow their life to end earlier than it has to? Of course. … In the end, it depends on how comfortable one is with having the government in the middle of this process.” She also failed to mention that I suggested the provision just be dropped from the bill entirely, which it has, at least from the Senate version.
While this and indications that the “public option” may not be long for this world may be welcome wins, concerned citizens should not simply pack up and go home. Any bill passed by the Senate must go to conference with the House bill which still contains the troubling provisions. As of today no one knows what a final bill might contain. For those who are concerned about this end-of-life provision I would suggest two questions to put to your elected representatives.
1. If these end-of-life consultations are indeed “voluntary” as proponents claim, then why is the word “voluntary” or other permissive language such as “may” no where to be found in the provision? And why are they not willing to add such language?
2. Why is such a provision contained in a bill that is supposed to be cutting costs for Medicare not adding to them?
The American people shouldn’t so readily be willing to let the politicians in Washington hit the reset button on health care legislation until they are certain of what that final bill actually looks like.










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Political zombies following the leader or, Der Leader.
Jeff2161 on August 18, 2009 at 5:34 PM
True to form, indeed
blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Time to move on the individual mandate. This issue has met its Death Panel for now.
WashJeff on August 18, 2009 at 5:35 PM
One thing we can all be sure of. If he were President, he wouldn’t be tackling a bunch of issues at once.
YYZ on August 18, 2009 at 5:36 PM
People, I strongly urge you to write your wills, get your medical proxies signed and notarized, and your instructions clearly given to your family and/or friends.
Don’t let the government take over your life, your body and possibly your estate.
Mommynator on August 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Thank goodness Thompson fell asleep long enough for McCain to slip by.
This guy is like Grandpa from the Simpsons.
welcome_ghosts on August 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Fred. Fred. Fred. You should have started campaigning earlier to get your legs underneath you while there was less focus.
WashJeff on August 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Run again, Fred. I’ll support you again.
MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 5:38 PM
And tax shelter trusts!!!
lawtwin on August 18, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Honestly, what do people see in this guy?
Labamigo on August 18, 2009 at 5:40 PM
I have a living will
My 10 dollars will go to Upstater85
blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Red herrings and strawmen, got to love old Fred. Fred, the whole bill sucks, of course the end of life counseling is going to add to the costs of Medicare, every provision that doesn’t repeal something is going to do that, except maybe moving to electronic records but that will probably cost a lot in conversion costs anyway and the money saved will probably be minimal, at least for the time being when health care costs are rising by scores of percentage points.
THE WHOLE BILL SUCKS. THE DEMS TRIED SCARING GRANDMA IN THE 90s AND IT DIDN’T WORK. THIS IS A LIBERAL TACTIC. WE HAVE THE MERITS AND MOMENTUM ON OUR SIDE.
LevStrauss on August 18, 2009 at 5:41 PM
lol that photo of him that Ed linked to is rather badass
blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Fred is great, but he is no campaigner.
Norwegian on August 18, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Fred!
Y-not on August 18, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Tell the failed presidential candidate to beat it
liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 5:43 PM
No question we’d be better off with Fred as president. Fred Thompson. Fred (Freddie) Fender. Fred Flintstone. Fred anybody, for that matter.
TXUS on August 18, 2009 at 5:44 PM
More like Grandpa from The Munsters…
Jeff2161 on August 18, 2009 at 5:44 PM
I don’t want to see this legislation go through AT ALL.
I want specific, targeted, individual bills to address the problems that exist in medicare, medicaid, tort reform, insurance reform (like allowing insurance companies to cross state lines, etc).
Lumping everything together will almost insure we end up with a socialist mess of a state run plan that will kill private industry, kill granny, and forcefully suck your bank accounts dry.
If a bill like this passes it better be alongside a resolution saying every congress person immediately resigns and reports to prison, because they’re safer in there than they will be out in public.
Spiritk9 on August 18, 2009 at 5:44 PM
I’m sure you hoped he would fail
blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Well, at least our failed presidential candidate is winning the health care debate.
Yours is knocking up fugly photographers out-of-wedlock and lies about it.
Norwegian on August 18, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Obama sucks, but he is a great campaigner.
Who the f*** wants a campaigner as president???
MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 5:46 PM
That’s right – time to move on the mandate. And watch out for the co-ops (public plan lite).
I am Teh Fred and I approve of this message.
SBABG on August 18, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Do you bring anything of value to those around you? Based on your few days of commenting here, I’d guess No.
Patrick S on August 18, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Hey, I was a fan of Fred during the primary. But you have to admit he didn’t energize crowds and was not running a very good campaign.
Norwegian on August 18, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Clinton’s Cigar Pal is an ugly sight. He’s been making babies since he was sixteen he should know about health care.
PrezHussein on August 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM
HR 2520!!! The best choice. Not DeathCare.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-2520
andy85719 on August 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM
If you can’t run for President better than that then maybe you should stick to something you know, like selling used cars in downtown Charlotte.
Jeff from WI on August 18, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Better to fail as a candidate than to fail as president, as Obama is doing.
Dee2008 on August 18, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Teh Fred!
I miss you.
Aquateen Hungerforce on August 18, 2009 at 5:53 PM
The end of life counseling, in an of itself, won’t kill granny. But the Comparative Effectiveness Research already funded in the stimulus package might, by suggesting that cancer treatments for 80-yr olds aren’t cost-effective.
The Health Benefits Advisory Committee (Sec 123 of the House bill) might kill grandma, by looking at their budget and saying “we just can’t afford to use high-end cancer drugs”. This committe determines what treatments the government will and will not cover.
The Health Choices Adminstration (Sec 141) might kill grandma, by excluding certain treatments form the Qualified Plan Standards, or by not providing Individual Affordability Credits for certain treatments.
hawksruleva on August 18, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Love Fred. What a brilliant guy.
cubachi on August 18, 2009 at 5:53 PM
That is certainly persuasive, and enlightening.
So glad you guys are here to contribute the substance and merits of your beliefs!
Now wonder you libs are losing in the polls.
That is all you got.
Brian1972 on August 18, 2009 at 5:53 PM
That’s the problem these days, no one votes based on the issues and substance. They want flashy smooth talkers. I’ll take a “non-campaigner” like Fred ANY DAY over a smooth talking empty suit like we currently have.
teffertoes on August 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Right said Fred indicates what I opined yesterday. That is, the Congress should be denied the liberty to edit this bill in place after nearly denying the American people the liberty to review it before it went to a vote. Two can play the denial of liberty game and Congress shouldn’t have its cake and eat it too. This bill should be returned in the format it was received, in total.
Right Said Fred says Take it Back, Jack!
ted c on August 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM
The comments on this post are a great indication why the Republican Party is so unfocused.
And dumb.
Jaynie59 on August 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Fred, I love you pal. Go get ‘em.
portlandon on August 18, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Integrity? Honesty? Should I go on?
javamartini on August 18, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Most of the time, I could see him riling up the crowds quite well. I also think the core of any campaign is the experts selling him, not the person themselves.
Maybe I’m just a worthless idealist in a world full of text-messaging American Idol-watching idiots, but I want to know stances and principles, and reasons for holding them. Fred always knew how to explain his in plain words. So did Dubya, by the way, and he won two terms.
MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 5:56 PM
How can you not? The man even looks presidential. Who can say they wouldn’t want that man sitting in the Oval Office, turning his chair around, cigar in hand, to talk to the American people.
And Jeri’s almost too good for him.
I was never a Fredhead, but I had a political crush.
Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 5:56 PM
I have a feeling in 2012 a “slow and steady” Fred Thompson could win the race.
ThePrez on August 18, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Seriously Sen. Thompson, what are you doing for the next 3 1/2 years. I’ll quit my job and rabble rouse all I can if you would run. Please run again. Please.
Aquateen Hungerforce on August 18, 2009 at 5:57 PM
As Mark Steyn indicated last week, Granny needn’t worry about getting unplugged. Under this system, she’ll never get plugged in.
Dee2008 on August 18, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Speaking of single digit IQ posts. This takes the case.
chemman on August 18, 2009 at 5:58 PM
What’s worse? A failed cnadidate or failed sitting president only eight months into his term?
When you’re a committed Marxist and you fail, you really suck.
darwin on August 18, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Bite your tongue.
Actually, allow me…
MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Hey Jaynie. Never start a sentence with a conjunction. It’s what dumb people do. Hot Air must be rubbing off on you. And then some.
I am Teh Fred and I approve of this message.
SBABG on August 18, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Same here.
chemman on August 18, 2009 at 6:00 PM
I am having day dreams of Fred & Jeri Thompson & Sarah & Todd Palin riding on horses striking the supply lines to King Barry & the Liberal whores who have captured the capital.
Militias, I like them.
portlandon on August 18, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Thompson/Palin 2016
omnipotent on August 18, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Unfortunately, Fred Thompson is either a liar or is a very poor lawyer.
The Section of the Social Security Act being modified describes the services that the government will pay for. The reason that section has no time requirement is because it was only meant to describe what will be covered, not when the services are to be provided. “In other words, this section of H.R. 3200 would require Medicare to pay doctors when they counsel their patients about such things as living wills, but no more frequently than once every five years, unless there’s a significant change in health status. “Both myself and our outside counsel have reviewed section 1233 of the House bill, and neither one of us can reach the conclusion that it is a mandatory consultation for Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries,” Jon Keyserling, vice president of public policy at the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization, told us. “The opportunity for the consultation is not only voluntary but patient-initiated.” See http://factcheck.org/2009/07/false-euthanasia-claims.
The American Medical Association agrees: “We were delighted to see this in the legislation,” Cecil Wilson, the group’s president-elect, told the paper. He described the opposition to the provision as “one of the more egregious examples of mischaracterization that I have seen.” See http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2009/08/13/ama-on-end-of-life-debate-egregious-mischaracterization.
Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM
People got excited when Fred decided to run. We expected someone that was interested in running and winning. He wasn’t.
To quote Fred from the campaign,
“Yaaaaawn…… “
never again.
JeffinOrlando on August 18, 2009 at 6:09 PM
If he had maybe he wouldn’t have a love child.
farright on August 18, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Sorry Fred but while I may agree or disagree with you on any given point you became irrelevant when you pretended to run for President.
Benaiah on August 18, 2009 at 6:15 PM
The Democrats have upset the “Gray Panthers”… and they will pay… AARP isn’t having a good time with all those membership cancellations… Grandma doesn’t like it when you cut off her life options… Or commit your group (AARP) to do it!
Khun Joe on August 18, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Too early for this thread.
But really, Jeri would have made an impressive First Lady.
Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 6:20 PM
FIFY
sleepy-beans on August 18, 2009 at 6:22 PM
The only situation I can imagine where you’d want to discuss options with your medical practitioner is when you’re actually making end of life decisions. It’s not something you try to plan for before you contract a life limiting illness. It’s been my experience that once you reach that point, doctors are very willing to discuss options without being paid by the government to do it.
If, on the other hand, you’re talking about living wills…then you need to see a lawyer, not a doctor.
Finally, there is nothing about this provision that lends itself to the goals of the bill. It may be a good idea to help seniors get legal help with living wills, but the rest of it is just a bunch of feel good liberal hooey with the potential to morph into something very negative.
Dee2008 on August 18, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Palin/Thompson 2012.
Thompson brings gravitas (Liberal love dat Gravitas).
GunRunner on August 18, 2009 at 6:23 PM
He gives great talks, but FRED! is in reality…..
?fred?
I wonder which family member got the left over cash from his campaign when he converted it over to his PAC?
csdeven on August 18, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Then ‘splain this to me, Lucy:
Your hospice council and AMA lawyer can blather all they want that there is no MANDATE in the language, but there is nothing to DISALLOW a mandate either.
I love Fred’s suggestion that this is a great question for those flippin’ Deer-in-the-headlights reps that are cowering from their mob-like constituancy.
Chewy the Lab on August 18, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Of course you’re here. It’s a Fred thread.
Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 6:32 PM
The reason that the “end of life sessions” were in the bill is because eventually, almost all of us will need one. No, not the ones of us lucky enough to die in an accident or drop dead suddenly from an undiagnosed heart condition or a stroke. I’m talking about the rest of us. Eventually, we will all get to the point that the medical procedure or medicine we need will cost more than our lives are worth to the government. THAT is where the talks come in. There won’t be anything you or anyone else can do to help you live longer, it will just point out the easiest way for you to die. The woman in Oregon that was dieing of lung cancer proved that a letter from the government stating that they wouldn’t pay for that drug she needed but would pay a doctor to help her commit suicide wasn’t the best way to do the job.
darwin-t on August 18, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Where’s BKennedy and tommylotto to join in your Fred hatefest?
MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 6:33 PM
If this thread is any indication, Fred Thompson scares liberals almost as much as Sarah Palin does.
Gotta love him.
warbaby on August 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Do you remember the campaign before his last one for senate? He waffled for months, but continued to collect donations. Then at the last minute, he dropped from the race, converted the donations to his PAC and then hired his son at an outrageous salary to run the PAC. While his son ran the PAC, they did little to nothing for conservative causes and his sons salary ate up the donations.
?fred?
csdeven on August 18, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Of course I am. It is too hard to resist the urge to poke the ?fred?heads with a stick. He is their precioussssssss.
csdeven on August 18, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Ah…what a surprise. Fred Thompson sleeps through the movie and wakes up for the exciting ending…again.
I like Fred, but he bores me to death.
Jaibones on August 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Me too, Chewy. It’s also worth noting that Jimbo uses the AMA to prop up his arguments. The AMA now boasts in its membership less than 20% of practicing physicians.
warbaby on August 18, 2009 at 6:41 PM
So what this creates that’s different from today, is that now your doctor will bring cost issues into the discussion–which he or she doesn’t do today, or at least not explicity. Sounds like they want the doctors to do the bureaucrats’ dirty work for them. Pay the docs to convey the message that the government won’t pay for for the service.
Dee2008 on August 18, 2009 at 6:41 PM
I haven’t seen them recently, but I’m sure there are others who can fill in. ;-)
csdeven on August 18, 2009 at 6:41 PM
If ?fred? will continue in his current role and Sarah does the same, conservatism will have two very potent voices lambasting the traitorous dems at every turn. Hopefully, neither one will run and then get elected to office, thereby becoming less valuable to the cause. Both are EXACTLY where they need to be.
csdeven on August 18, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Huckabee/Thompson/Palin 2012!
welcome_ghosts on August 18, 2009 at 6:54 PM
As the great ‘conservative’ icon Richard Nixon said about ole Fred – he’s dumb, but he IS friendly. Look it up!
Ha.ha.ha
simplesimon on August 18, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Hahaha! Half Jesus, half crook, half quitter.
JesusCrookQuitter 2012!
csdeven on August 18, 2009 at 6:57 PM
You really are simple if you consider Nixon a conservative icon. He was one of the most liberal Republican presidents we had. Made friends with the ChiComs, pulled out of Vietnam, pushed the EPA and the ban on bio/chem weapons. He and Reagan were worlds apart.
MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 6:58 PM
I stand corrected. They were very different. Nixon was a crook and Reagan was senile.
Oh, and the quote was that ole Fred was “dumb as hell, but friendly”. Haha. Good ole folksy-talking Fred.
simplesimon on August 18, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Another one I sent to Dipsh*t Donnelly (D-2nd, IN). It would be easier if he would just connect to Hot Air and find them for himself, but I think that would be too much to ask. It would take time away from Daily Kos and DU.
SKYFOX on August 18, 2009 at 7:04 PM
I so hope you never learn for yourself the pain of losing someone to Alzheimer’s, but it’s obvious you need the education that comes with it. I have no kind words for you and very few that wouldn’t get me banned. That people like you sink to the lowest possible comments only confirms every negative liberal stereotype out there.
Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 7:08 PM
He or his son deserves a payoff from his PAC for all the work he put into this piece
PrezHussein on August 18, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Work?? Fred is the laziest man in politics. Work- ahaha. Maybe a new pole for his wife, but not for Fred’s ‘work’.
simplesimon on August 18, 2009 at 7:21 PM
FRED! I’ve missed you. Let’s give it another shot, eh?
Mommypundit on August 18, 2009 at 7:25 PM
I have no words.
Really, though, if this is all you have…we are in better shape than I could ever imagine. Keep up the good work, yourself! Great to have you here, too.
Mommypundit on August 18, 2009 at 7:28 PM
I don’t care if you brought 24 trolls in with you during the latest registration. Welcome.
RushBaby on August 18, 2009 at 7:28 PM
I’m sure it will be just as funny when people you care about have to deal with Alzheimer’s, you pathetic freak.
MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 7:29 PM
ZZZZZZ.
Whole Foods editorial was much better.
Again, unimpressed by Fred Thompson. Great principles, weak showing.
iamse7en on August 18, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Thanks Warbaby, and not only the AMA, but a Hospice lawyer to boot. Also, by virtue of another thread, AARP is losing members in droves. They have zippo credibility with seniors.
The dems can say all they want that none of this “scary stuff” is in the bill, but not ONE-SINGLE-PERSON be they an elected representative, political pundit or member of the MSM has pointed to one piece of empirical evidence that the stated result will not happen. Case(s)in point: Direct access by the government to your bank accounts (BTW: these include securities accounts, 401-K and IRAs)and all the other assets that you have scrimped and saved for all your lives. How about the amount of equity you may have in your home? I know there is no mention of it, but if they have access to all this, that CAN NOT be far behind.
Chewy the Lab on August 18, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Don’t be ridiculous. Things like simplesimon are bred to not care about other people. Liberalism is a learned behaviour. Born sociopaths are rare. Trained ones are liberals.
RushBaby on August 18, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Hospitals have been required to ask incoming patients if they have living wills/durable powers of attorney since the early 1990s. This is not something new. And it’s not something that existing law says needs to be done by lawyers. It’s done by hospital administrators who probably already have a economic incentive to make sure patients without insurance (or full insurance coverage) have those things in place.
There’s nothing in the law that says spacemen from Mars who may land in the US won’t be entitled to medical coverage at some point, either, Chewy. Does that need to be written into the law?
Jimbo3 on August 18, 2009 at 7:41 PM
On the contrary, I think Thompson asleep would have been more photogenic than McCain awake.
Speedwagon82 on August 18, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Um, thanks Jimbo3, that’s actually a great idea! Such language should be included, and while those little green men are awaiting antennae transplants, all the illegal aliens from THIS planet can line up right behind them!
Chewy the Lab on August 18, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Teh Fred!
Richard Romano on August 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Most people that know Fred LOL when Fred ran for POTUS. They know his deal.
Moesart on August 18, 2009 at 8:21 PM
The fact that the thieving moonbats hate Fred! is all that I need to know.
OldEnglish on August 18, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Well said, race fan! Feel better now? Seems like your hero is dropping the pounds, btw! Maybe he’s taking the odd remedy for the paaaiiinnn!!
simplesimon on August 18, 2009 at 8:32 PM
Oh, how I miss my Fred!!!! I would give anything if he were our president instead of The One… Sigh…
squeek71 on August 18, 2009 at 8:35 PM
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