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Don’t start thinking this administration is crazy like a fox … they aren’t.

They are in full retreat – and firing shots over their shoulders while they high-tail it for the hills. This is Obama’s last stand – and in this – he will fare no better than Custer did at his.

Seriously – look at the polls, particularly the indie’s – he’s lost them and he won’t get them back. There will be a big backlash in next year’s elections. Further – this is going to degenerate into a Democratic Party Civil War – with the Hillary wing on one side and the ObamaNuts on the other. Really – it’s going to come to that – as the realization starts to sink in with moderate Dems when they come back from recess.

There will be no more significant items passed on Obama’s agenda. Why? Because all of those items are Socialist in nature and the backlash right now is against Socialism.

Stick a fork in him – he’s done.

You heard it here first.

If anyone can distinguish between Nixon’s proposals here and the kinds of things some people are calling “high crimes of treason” now, I’d love to hear it.

Nixon on Universal Healthcare

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Nixon also created the EPA and admitted to Milton Friedman’s face that he had become a Keynesian. What’s your point?

Were you under the impression that conservatives enshrined Nixon as a model fiscal conservative?

I’ve been wanting for some time to have a web-cam meeting amongst us. What say you? Allah, well, it’s near Halloween time (from what I see) so wear your fav character’s mask.

What’s even more depressing is that the Republicans are totally milking the current outrage, but they don’t seem to have any ideas or arguments against the current plan.

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM

+1!!!

This is nuts!!!

Has anyone noticed that the existence of public options has not prevented the success of private:

-education
-security firms
-housing
-shipping services
Why would it threaten private health insurance. What people against the public option consistently ignore is that few Americans “choose” their healthcare now. Most are covered under an employer plan which IS a massive single payer system, just contained within an employer.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Of course, how silly of us not to have seen that!

I’m sure everyone remembers when those provisions went into effect where, if there was any change in the private housing that you were in, you were forced to go to the public housing “option”. I remember it like it was yesterday…

That was in effect for schools too, remember? If you were going to a private school, and you liked your private school, you could keep it… unless, of course, they changed some aspect of it, and then you had to go through the public school “option”.

And who could forget when private security services were forced to go through government panels to determine if they met “minimum standards” as defined by the public security “option” before they could take on any new customers?

Who here remembers the bad old days when people could “opt out” of using the USPS without penalty? I mean, come on! Getting mail around the country is an expensive business. We can’t have people just choosing not to use it if they don’t think they need it… the system needs VOLUME in order to get those necessary “efficiencies of scale”. Boy, I’m glad we fixed that by imposing a ‘voluntary penalty’ of 7-8% of people’s adjusted gross income if they wanted to not do their “fair share”.

It wasn’t a tax, of course. That would have violated the President’s pledge that if you made less that $250,000 per year your taxes wouldn’t go up “a dime”.

No, you see, you had the (public) OPTION to do what you were told. If you didn’t take that OPTION, the penalty you pay is your own fault. It’s not a tax, even though it’s based on a percentage of your income.

I guess you’re right, Cranky. The current health care “public option” proposals are just like the examples that you provided.

That was one of the reasons we were founded as a republic. Hopefully to limit the damage of a democracy. Unfortunately, it is only delaying the inevitable.

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 12:57 AM
Marx predicted it. Capitalism leads to a socialist economy when the population swells and monopolies are formed in the marketplace. Government entity has to step-in and regulate.

It’s just what happens. It’s been happening here for over 90 years and will continue to happen.

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Post of the thread, especially in conjunction with welcome_ghosts posts ridiculing Sarah Palin fans. Comedy gold.

The libs lived in an insulated ivory tower inside the beltway for seventy years and grew comfortable fat, stupid, lazy and corrupt. In the new politic, the people, the electorate, now for the first time really, have the ability to fulfill the promise and the plan of the founders, to step up and assume the mantle that is rightly theirs to take.

The electorate has learned that the phrase “of the People, by the People, and for the PEOPLE” is real!

And the libs absolutely hate it, but they are steadily losing their control…

Well, that’s not the plan.

And if you could read you’d know I don’t support the plan in its current form. Christ….

–latest from Rasmussen.

chunderroad on August 19, 2009 at 11:28 AM

I think CI is merely deluded and mildly ignorant of economics on this count, not outright lying.

Yup Democrats are useless. But so are Republicans so there ya go.

LOL I guess that’s why you’re a “cranky independent.” /sarc

I love the smell of moral equivalence in the morning. It smells like victory.

Which is why I oppose a government mandate and support a government insurance option.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Well, that’s not the plan. As Dark-Star so eloquently pointed out. You’re a liar and a shill. I’ll leave you to someone else. Goodbye.

Which is why I oppose a government mandate and support a government insurance option.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Problem is that even a government ‘option’ will almost surely end up destroying private options, if for no other reason than the fact that they’ll have a huge consumer base.

Think about what kind of advantage a *private* insurance company would have if they could extract payments from nearly every American, like it or not, and who would then have to pay extra to get someone else’s coverage. It wouldn’t even be a contest.

So Democrats could have had UHC in 1974, but they chose to play politics instead. Color me surprised. They also had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the CRM, but to hear them tell it, they’ve been courageously upholding human rights since the Emancipation Proclamation.

Yup Democrats are useless. But so are Republicans so there ya go.

From what I understand, Nixon proposed Universal heathcare ACCESS not a guaranteed government bureaucracy to MANDATE healthcare.

Which is why I oppose a government mandate and support a government insurance option.

Symbolically kicking the GOP out of the negotiations leaves the media free to focus on conservative Democrats as the true stumbling block to universal health care. Ironically, the “go it alone” move may be aimed more at his own side than at the GOP.

“I won.”

He kicked the GOP out of the negotiations a long time ago. He has been way too soft on his own party, who know what a far left radical he is and supported him throughout the primaries and the general election. They all staked their political fortunes to their “Jesus Christ Superstar.” Now that they’re all in the same boat together, time to row.