Drudge: Democrats ready to go it alone on ObamaCare? Update: NYT link added

posted at 9:22 pm on August 18, 2009 by Allahpundit

A teaser for an NYT bombshell due out later. Normally I wouldn’t post on it until the article’s up but this can only mean that they’re going to go all out for the public option and use “reconciliation” if need be to nuke the filibuster in the Senate, no? Why cut the GOP out of negotiations only to settle for some watered-down alternative like co-ops? If you’re going to kick the minority party out of the room and anger half the country, you might as well make the bill as syrupy sweet to your own side as possible. And if that means having to take a precedent-setting step as draconian as reconciliation to deal with Blue Dogs like Ben Nelson who might not accept a public option, hey. Besides, Grassley and Jon Kyl all but told the Democrats today that they won’t vote for the final bill regardless of what’s in it, in which case it’s pointless for The One to keep making concessions. He might as well get the bill he wants, paint the GOP as “the party of no”, and hope that the inevitable ill effects of his program don’t appear before the midterms. Which they probably won’t.

While we wait for the Times piece, a few fun data points from the new NBC poll out tonight. Note the numbers on question 15. The One’s really rolling the dice here.

Update: Here’s the NYT piece. Nothing concrete.

[S]uch a change could alter the dynamic of talks surrounding health care legislation, and even change the substance of a final bill. With no need to negotiate with Republicans, Democrats might be better able to move more quickly, relying on their large majorities in both houses. Democratic senators might feel more empowered, for example, to define the authority of the nonprofit insurance cooperatives that are emerging as an alternative to a public insurance plan…

Administration officials, who maintain that Republicans are badly mischaracterizing the legislation that has emerged from three House committees and the Senate health committee, said they had hoped to achieve some level of bipartisan support. But they are becoming increasingly convinced that they will instead have to navigate the complicated politics among varying Democratic factions.

The officials said the White House hoped to make the case to the American people that it was Republicans who had abandoned the effort at bipartisanship. Republicans countered by saying that they simply opposed the legislation and that the public outcry had validated their view and solidified their opposition.

One senior administration official said the sense within the White House was that Republicans, in an effort to undermine President Obama and Congressional Democrats, had made a political calculation to oppose any health care legislation.

Thus did a party that no longer has enough Senate seats to pull a filibuster somehow become an obstructionist, utopia-destroying leviathan. Belated exit question: Is this all just a ruse by The One to put pressure on the Blue Dogs to accept a public option? Symbolically kicking the GOP out of the negotiations leaves the media free to focus on conservative Democrats as the true stumbling block to universal health care. Ironically, the “go it alone” move may be aimed more at his own side than at the GOP.


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As if some loser who’s looking for a handout from the government for “free” healthcare is the kind of person who’s just going to run out and start a business! More proof of the dreamworld these people live in.

venividivici on August 19, 2009 at 1:17 AM

I thought the American ideal was that anyone, even a poor black boy from Indonesia Hawaii could some day become the President of the United States of America?

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:21 AM

misslizzi on August 19, 2009 at 1:19 AM

Bang on! They blew a five year loan in twenty months on the NHS.

OldEnglish on August 19, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Europe seems pretty content with their socialist state.

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:05 AM

Go read Watership Down. The warren of rabbits the that the farmer cultivates … that is Europe.

It is also right where Good Leader wants to take you.

Something about cold dead hands comes to mind.

AZ_Redneck on August 19, 2009 at 1:22 AM

The socialist programs are all insolvent, Ghosts.

Chuck Schick on August 19, 2009 at 1:23 AM

No worries – you’re still free to make $$$PROFITS$$$ and be that idealistic rugged individualist that you dream about every night before bedtime.
welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:15 AM

Capped by the government, of course; can’t have CEO’s making more money than is “fair” as defined by a federal Excel spreadsheet which was produced by such economic luminaries as Barney Frank and Tim Geithner.

Bishop on August 19, 2009 at 1:23 AM

venividivici on August 19, 2009 at 1:15 AM

I was trying to see if the graph was updated. No luck. Did find this article with this tid bit from the French.

“I’m sitting on 1 trillion euros of debt, around 50 percent of French GDP,” Philippe Mills, the head of Agence France Tresor, France’s debt management office, told the same panel. “Gross issuance both from bills and bonds last year was 270 billion euros and this year I’m forecasting to borrow 330 billion euros from both bills and bonds.”

“Sixty-four percent of French state debt is owned by non-residents. Buyers are primarily from Europe and Asia, and third position is Middle East,” Mills told Reuters on the sidelines of the conference after the panel discussion.

Nothing like being owned by the ME and having a restless Muslim population in your country.

WashJeff on August 19, 2009 at 1:23 AM

I thought the American ideal was that anyone, even a poor black boy from Indonesia Hawaii could some day become the President of the United States of America?

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:21 AM

WTF are you even talking about?

venividivici on August 19, 2009 at 1:24 AM

WTF are you even talking about?

venividivici on August 19, 2009 at 1:24 AM

He’s making it up as he goes along.

misslizzi on August 19, 2009 at 1:27 AM

Capped by the government, of course; can’t have CEO’s making more money than is “fair” as defined by a federal Excel spreadsheet which was produced by such economic luminaries as Barney Frank and Tim Geithner.

Bishop on August 19, 2009 at 1:23 AM

Payroll caps are only a matter of time over here… after the minimum’s were set in place, it was only a logical end to one day set caps. Blame FDR for that one.

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:27 AM

I thought the American ideal was that anyone, even a poor black boy from Indonesia Hawaii could some day become the President of the United States of America?

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:21 AM

oh..I hope my son has much bigger dreams than that…

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 1:28 AM

Hell, are they even going to work at all?

misslizzi on August 19, 2009 at 1:21 AM

I hear about people working “just for health insurance”, but I don’t know of any solid numbers. I just think it’s a fallacy that there are a bunch of people waiting for the government to provide them health insurance so they can go start the next Google. Hell, a solid business plan that can get actual venture capital could probably get the VC to spring for some health insurance for the entrepreneur. If’ someone’s got a multi-million dollar idea, no VC is going to pass on it for a lousy $1000/month insurance policy. It’s just another stupid argument they throw out there thinking that the idiots like welcome_ghosts will nod their heads and repeat it. And, unfortunately, they are right.

venividivici on August 19, 2009 at 1:29 AM

I thought the American ideal was that anyone, even a poor black boy from Indonesia Hawaii could some day become the President of the United States of America?
welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Stimulus
Cash For Clunkers
P-PIP
Mortgage bailout
$2 trillion deficit
Health care meltdown
Worst casualties in Afghanistan in 8 years

So how’s that workin out for y’all?

And hows that working out

Chuck Schick on August 19, 2009 at 1:29 AM

oh..I hope my son has much bigger dreams than that…

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 1:28 AM

I hear the government is hiring soon?

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:29 AM

Blame FDR for that one.

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:27 AM

oh we blame him for a lot more than that…don’t worry.

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 1:30 AM

Blame FDR for that one.

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:27 AM

Nah, I would rather blame the “children with pubic hair” like yourself that voted for other people’s money through the police state.

So when are you graduating anyway? I need my lawn cut.

ClassicCon on August 19, 2009 at 1:30 AM

“I’m sitting on 1 trillion euros of debt, around 50 percent of French GDP,” Philippe Mills, the head of Agence France Tresor, France’s debt management office, told the same panel. “Gross issuance both from bills and bonds last year was 270 billion euros and this year I’m forecasting to borrow 330 billion euros from both bills and bonds.”

“Sixty-four percent of French state debt is owned by non-residents. Buyers are primarily from Europe and Asia, and third position is Middle East,” Mills told Reuters on the sidelines of the conference after the panel discussion.

Nothing like being owned by the ME and having a restless Muslim population in your country.

WashJeff on August 19, 2009 at 1:23 AM

My analogy is that pushing the US to be more like Europe is like telling a start-up automaker to be like GM. It makes no sense whatsoever.

venividivici on August 19, 2009 at 1:33 AM

I hear the government is hiring soon?

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:29 AM

yep…..he might choose the marine corp.

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 1:33 AM

Stimulus
Cash For Clunkers
P-PIP
Mortgage bailout
$2 trillion deficit
Health care meltdown
Worst casualties in Afghanistan in 8 years

So how’s that workin out for y’all?

And hows that working out

Chuck Schick on August 19, 2009 at 1:29 AM

Stimulus – helped stabilize our economy
Cash For Clunkers – not even newsworthy anymore
P-PIP – don’t know where the money went, don’t care. no one’s even talking about this.
Mortgage bailout – don’t care – homes are cheap go buy one, hell buy 2!
$2 trillion deficit $1.3 attributed to Bush, it’s going to be way more than that soon. don’t care.
Health care meltdown – health care reform is probably going to be passed in september [see also: this thread]
Worst casualties in Afghanistan in 8 years – no one cares anymore

And hows that working out

How’s that working out for YOU [hint: we both live in the same country under the same administration, whether you like it or not].

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:34 AM

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:29 AM

face it guys, welcome doesnt have any political philosophy or belief system; with every new post he is contradicting himself.

if i had to put money on it, i’d say he just watches jon stewart or reads dailykos every few days and says “this is what i must believe!”

battleoflepanto1571 on August 19, 2009 at 1:35 AM

yep…..he might choose the marine corp.

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 1:33 AM

But then I suspect he’ll want to grow to be a good father, honorable man who helps others and expects nothing in return, teaches people to be self sufficient, and leads them rather than drives them. You know…everything a donkeycrat isn’t.

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 1:36 AM

You know…everything a donkeycrat isn’t.

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 1:36 AM

Is that anything like a demoCRAP or a democRAT?

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:37 AM

Don’t care is the best you can do?

And of course you know full well the stimulus was a failure, unless you have proof otherwise.

And Obama voted for every last cent of spending of that $1.2 trillion before Bush got to sign it.

Chuck Schick on August 19, 2009 at 1:39 AM

Is that anything like a demoCRAP or a democRAT?

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:37 AM

Actually, I think he was going for sniveling, parasitic douche. No?

ClassicCon on August 19, 2009 at 1:39 AM

battleoflepanto1571 on August 19, 2009 at 1:35 AM

of course he’s a loser, battle. It’s kind of humorous for a while, but eventually we’ll tire of him. Argumentatively he’s his own worst enemy since everything he’s shown as support has bitten him in the azz.

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 1:40 AM

Is that anything like a demoCRAP or a democRAT?

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:37 AM

no..those actually bear some resemblance to jeffersons ideal of a liberal democrat. I’m referring to the modern party of ossified aristocrats passing themselves off as populists by hyping a socialist agenda.

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 1:41 AM

Actually, I think he was going for sniveling, parasitic douche. No?

ClassicCon on August 19, 2009 at 1:39 AM

those are the followers that generally flock to their call, yes.

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 1:43 AM

On the subject of Reconciliation. Any bill will be subject to the “Byrd Rule” that says it must be deficit neutral and the CBO has already put that in play. The other problem, and this is the real problem for legislation like this, is that the legislation automatically expires after 10 years. That is why Bush’s tax cuts expire next year.

Texas on August 19, 2009 at 1:44 AM

Speaking of socialized medicine, wonder if Sarah would label these “Hardship Panels”

The family of Judith Roe, who died of Alzheimer’s aged 74 last October, won back more than £130,000 in care home fees which her local NHS trust had refused to pay, saying her condition was not health-related.

She was forced to sell her home of 30 years for £200,000 to pay the £600-a-week nursing home fees.

After a five-year battle, the Health Service Ombudsman ordered NHS Worcestershire to reimburse the fees.

Last month the family of 88-year-old Alzheimer’s patient Marjorie Eyton- Jones won back the £165,000 they had paid in nursing home fees.
Mrs Eyton-Jones went into a Wirral nursing home in 1998 and the family was forced to sell her home after the local trust decided she did not need 24-hour nursing care and refused to foot the bill.
It was not until last month – two years after Mrs Eyton-Jones died – that the North West Strategic Health Authority decided the fees should have been paid from the start of her care.

misslizzi on August 19, 2009 at 1:45 AM

Stimulus – helped stabilize our economy are you 12? unemployment shot up from about 7% to 9 and half %!
Cash For Clunkers – not even newsworthy anymore except it shows the govt cant even run CAR SELLING — yet they can run health care?
P-PIP – don’t know where the money went, don’t care. no one’s even talking about this.
Mortgage bailout – don’t care – homes are cheap go buy one, hell buy 2!
$2 trillion deficit $1.3 attributed to Bush, it’s going to be way more than that soon. don’t care. its cute you dont care, until inflation shoots up where a loaf of bread is $8
Health care meltdown – health care reform is probably going to be passed in september [see also: this thread] by who? you had the votes to do it all summer but didnt. what changes in september?
Worst casualties in Afghanistan in 8 years – no one cares anymore
STFU!

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:34 AM

battleoflepanto1571 on August 19, 2009 at 1:45 AM

From the Mercury News piece on the Drudge link, I loved this part:

Top Democrats said Tuesday that their go-it-alone view was being shaped by what they saw as Republicans’ purposely strident tone against health care legislation during this month’s congressional recess, as well as remarks by leading Republicans that current proposals were flawed beyond repair.

Those top Democrats must have very sensitive ears, because I haven’t heard many Republicans say much, at all, for the past month. Unless these “top Democrats” are talking about Republicans who aren’t in office? Heh.

And “flawed beyond repair” is an overly generous way of describing one of the biggest legislative fiascos in memory, even aside from its un-Constitutional and un-American nature.

It’s a pretty funny article. I recommend it for laughs.

progressoverpeace on August 19, 2009 at 1:46 AM

I thought the American ideal was that anyone, even a poor black boy from Indonesia Hawaii could some day become the President of the United States of America?

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:21 AM

I thought the American ideal nightmare was that anyone, even a poor black boy from Indonesia Hawaii raised as a Muslim could some day become the President Marxist Dictator of the United States of America?

izoneguy on August 19, 2009 at 1:46 AM

The other problem, and this is the real problem for legislation like this, is that the legislation automatically expires after 10 years. That is why Bush’s tax cuts expire next year.

Texas on August 19, 2009 at 1:44 AM

Good point.

AND…. since the plan doesnt go into effect until 2013…. it will be DOA in only 6 years.

battleoflepanto1571 on August 19, 2009 at 1:46 AM

And guaranteed sex. For all. Can’t live without it, people have been ruined financially over it, so government-run brothels are a must. Or at least government-sponsored hookups.

ddrintn on August 19, 2009 at 12:22 AM

Oh yeah!!! Barney Frank was waaaay ahead of the curve on that one!

Fishoutofwater on August 19, 2009 at 1:47 AM

WELCOME_GHOSTS:

ARE YOU WILLING TO DO HEALTH CARE RECONCILIATION STYLE, MEANING THAT WHEN WE GET BACK IN POWER WE’LL DO IT FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING?????

battleoflepanto1571 on August 19, 2009 at 1:47 AM

are you 12?
battleoflepanto1571 on August 19, 2009 at 1:45 AM

My guess is he’s a little older and has a summer job that he recently found on craigslist.

misslizzi on August 19, 2009 at 1:47 AM

Oh it gets better.

Here’s what could be in store for us if it all carries thru…

http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/08/18/sitting-in-judgment/#more-5541

And YOU’LL be paying for it.

CPT. Charles on August 19, 2009 at 1:49 AM

Good point.

AND…. since the plan doesnt go into effect until 2013…. it will be DOA in only 6 years.

battleoflepanto1571 on August 19, 2009 at 1:46 AM

Reconciliation was never envissoed for game changing events like universal health care. It was used for Bush’s tax cuts because the dems forced it into the process so they would expire. With Health care it is entirely possible that within 10 years the insurance industry would be decimated and the government run plan, including Medicare will be completely insolvent with absolutely NOTHING private or public to pick up the pieces. I really don’t believe the democrats in the senate are going to risk the kind of backlash they would face by going it alone.

Texas on August 19, 2009 at 1:55 AM

WELCOME_GHOSTS:

ARE YOU WILLING TO DO HEALTH CARE RECONCILIATION STYLE, MEANING THAT WHEN WE GET BACK IN POWER WE’LL DO IT FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING?????

battleoflepanto1571 on August 19, 2009 at 1:47 AM

*crickets*

battleoflepanto1571 on August 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM

Worst casualties in Afghanistan in 8 years – no one cares anymore

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:34 AM

Battle…this is a we can remain quiet on this topic and allow hawk to dissect this ignorant little azzdart.

Got popcorn?

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 1:59 AM

a = one…..grrrr

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 2:01 AM

Sad to see that the Democrats are seriously pushing to completely divide the country. Sure, the liberals can say that Bush was like that as well but thats a bit of a farce as there is a good portion of the conservatives that were not that big of fans of him either so you really can’t say that he divided the nation.

Either way, if the liberals be wanting their war, they’ll be getting their war.

People are already fed up with government and dropping a match on a dry tinder box is NOT the smartest move. And if the liberals think that if they can divide the country with civil unrest and swoop down and be “heroes” by quelling it, they are definitely in for a rude awakening as I have a really hard time seeing the majority being against this would be civil unrest.

But then again, anarchy tends to leave you with Totalitarianism when the dust settles. And the liberals would love that

Doctor Zhivago on August 19, 2009 at 2:03 AM

Let the Dems commit political suicide. They are their own Death Panel; THEY OWN IT.

Geochelone on August 19, 2009 at 2:18 AM

Belated exit question: Is this all just a ruse by The One to put pressure on the Blue Dogs to accept a public option?

ALLAH HITS A GRAND SLAM.

Geochelone on August 19, 2009 at 2:20 AM

Nancy Pelosi said that they had the votes just a little over two weeks ago. Since then, Obama has done nothing to substantiate any support thru his awful “townhalls”, especially when he defiles the medical field altogether, the insurance companies, and then offers his own home-spun solutions to dire, sometimes, life or death health issues, often getting the prognosis entirely out of context with prescriptions and solutions. As in, a total f’ing joke.

So now, the announcement is, do I have this straight, they’re going to ignore what the majority of the country wishes and push this mega-trillion dollar deficit through, anyway??

betsyz on August 19, 2009 at 2:24 AM

AZ_Redneck on August 19, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Just read your reply. Beautiful.

betsyz on August 19, 2009 at 2:27 AM

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:29 AM

I see him as the sorriest of sorts. He’s been whipped of all value at a very early age and only wishes the worse for everyone else with redeeming qualities. He’ll sucker-punch at every opportunity, and most importantly, he awaits in ambush, the loathsome, puny nit-wit that he is.

betsyz on August 19, 2009 at 2:34 AM

Belated exit question: Is this all just a ruse by The One to put pressure on the Blue Dogs to accept a public option?

Considering that the GOP was never allowed any input, to begin with? Gee. I don’t know.

progressoverpeace on August 19, 2009 at 2:51 AM

I guess the donk party really is full of ideologues because if they try to cram this down our throat, they will be very sorry indeed.

TheAdmiral on August 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Either that or else Obama will be appointing an election czar to oversee future elections and make sure they run smoothly.

FloatingRock on August 19, 2009 at 3:05 AM

GOP?
We are of no concern. The Dems are going to ride this horse right off of the cliff. Government healthcare and Global Warming is part of the new religion and us rubes need to get off the tracks cuz they will ram it through.

It will be fun to watch the trainwreck, but many of us will get hurt as it unfolds.

shorebird on August 19, 2009 at 3:31 AM

From the Washington Post piece linked at Drudge:

“I don’t understand why the left of the left has decided that this is their Waterloo,” said a senior White House adviser, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

ROFLMAO! Too funny. DeMint really got into their twisted little heads.

progressoverpeace on August 19, 2009 at 4:20 AM

LOL! Little boys should not play with matches. Especially those given to him by Bill Clinton.

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 4:55 AM

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 4:55 AM

heh.

All socialism needs is a sliver in the current legislation to return later and augment in revision/reform.

maverick muse on August 19, 2009 at 6:07 AM

maverick muse on August 19, 2009 at 6:07 AM

The name of the game is incrementalism. Anything they put out that has the support of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and Obama is a trojan horse. Luckily, they’ve unmasked themselves and have declared war on the nation in the process.

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 6:34 AM

Shock…surprise…mayhem…er, disbelief…yeah, that’s the ticket.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 19, 2009 at 6:37 AM

LOL! Who are they kidding? They didn’t have the votes for this before the recess, now all of the sudden they are going to go it alone and vote it through?

Even if they force the takeover, its DOA. Partisan warfare, the State governments, the Courts, and an electoral backlash will make sure the law and the democrats die a slow painful death.

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 6:40 AM

of course he’s a loser, battle. It’s kind of humorous for a while, but eventually we’ll tire of him. Argumentatively he’s his own worst enemy since everything he’s shown as support has bitten him in the azz.

Fighton03 on August 19, 2009 at 1:40 AM

He’ll last about as long as AfroBunnie.

davidk on August 19, 2009 at 6:42 AM

2nd trial balloon in two days.

First, drop public option trial balloon. The nutjobs went nuts. Second, go it alone trial balloon.

They’re simply gauging responses and inoculating everyone to likely outcomes.

continue dropping heavy rounds in the backfield, they are on the run.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 6:43 AM

We’re going to make this country ungovernable for Obama and his socialist thieves!

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 6:44 AM

Do you see how the White House treats you? We are simply undergoing operant conditioning. Before you know it, you’ll hear a bell, start to salivate, then get a morsel of food.

We are being dehumanized through this.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 6:45 AM

Operant conditioning: is the use of consequences to modify the occurrence and form of behavior. Operant conditioning is distinguished from classical conditioning (also called respondent conditioning, or Pavlovian conditioning) in that operant conditioning deals with the modification of “voluntary behavior” or operant behavior. Operant behavior “operates” on the environment and is maintained by its consequences, while classical conditioning deals with the conditioning of respondent behaviors which are elicited by antecedent conditions. Behaviors conditioned via a classical conditioning procedure are not maintained by consequences

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 6:47 AM

Our environment is being operated on around us. Trial balloons are simply environmental operations meant to manipulate responses. First, piss off the left, then piss off the right. End result, someone’s going to be pissed and its most likely everybody.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 6:50 AM

Obama is trying to set himself up as a deus ex machina–or hero, one who will come and rescue you and telll you about the success he had at preventing you from being so upset or missing out on something. Since he floated that trial balloon, and got the proper response–he can now rescue you from future disasters (and setup strawmen) by showing he is the loving, beneficent protector.

Call BS on this.

We are not Pavlov’s dogs.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 6:52 AM

My mother-in-law rents some of her rental properties to Section 8 people. Not surprisingly, they always seem to trash her place in the last few months of their stay. Carpet replacement is the norm.

WashJeff on August 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM

What the f**k does this have to do with health care?

RustBelt on August 19, 2009 at 6:54 AM

Time to dust off the Nullification option in the States. Lets make Obama use force to implement his takeover.

Time for the Republicans to walk out and boycott the congress to protest the illegitimate socialist power grab.

Time for the State legislatures to propose and pass anti-federal healthcare amendments a la Arizona.

Constitutional crisis here we come!

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 6:54 AM

Europe seems pretty content with their socialist state.

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:05 AM

For the young, it’s all they have ever known.

Also, if Europeans have been so pleased with the European socialist program then why for decades have they come to a country that gave them no guaranteed housing, health care, education, food?

Some people are content to live at the mercy of the government. Some people want to achieve more in their live.

America, unlike Europe, you can be born with nothing and gain it all through hard work and effort. You can also be born with it all and lose everything.

RobertInLexington on August 19, 2009 at 6:57 AM

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 6:52 AM

I can easily see that. The Democrats scream for the nuclear option and the filthy liar comes swooping in with a pre-ordained compromise and looks like the hero.

highhopes on August 19, 2009 at 7:27 AM

I can easily see that. The Democrats scream for the nuclear option and the filthy liar comes swooping in with a pre-ordained compromise and looks like the hero.

highhopes on August 19, 2009 at 7:27 AM

Yep, they’re giving him the chance to be the hero. It’s a setup, plain and simple. These guys are getting to the last few pages in the playbook and we’ve all got it figured out before 0800 in the morning.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 7:34 AM

Yep, they’re giving him the chance to be the hero. It’s a setup, plain and simple. These guys are getting to the last few pages in the playbook and we’ve all got it figured out before 0800 in the morning.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 7:34 AM

Which is why we need to step up they pressure and make sure everyone is crystal clear that there will be terrible consequences for anyone voting for this and for the governability of the nation.

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 7:37 AM

Yep, they’re conditioning us on the “go it alone” option when, in fact, they probably have the RINO Senators of Snowe/Collins on board already. Hence, Obama will appear the deus ex machina as he was able to deliver the “bipartisan effort” to save the country the peril of “go it alone” which they are trumping up as a possibility.

We are all animals on the farm folks.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 7:42 AM

It’s a trial balloon which ought to be met with a GOP challenge:

Please do, the American people will meet each of you in the voting booths to remind you that they are in charge. We are prepared to run 100% on overturning this socialistic takeover of the the established constitutional “right to privacy” between a citizen and their doctor.

We will meet you and challenge every word, in every court in the land.

But I dream, after all, this is the GOP: the “Me Too” party.

Don L on August 19, 2009 at 7:43 AM

There needs to be a targeted effort on RINO’s most likely to vote on this. In state and out of state pressure. If it’s go it alone, then reap what you sow up there champ…

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 7:43 AM

It’s a trial balloon ringing bell which ought to be met with a GOP challenge: should be followed with an electric shock

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 7:44 AM

The Dems know that obama can’t perform as a leader, so they’re falling back on making him look like a hero instead.

Commatus… in the arena…

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 7:46 AM

No worries – you’re still free to make $$$PROFITS$$$ and be that idealistic rugged individualist that you dream about every night before bedtime.

welcome_ghosts on August 19, 2009 at 1:15 AM

Ghosts, you seem very young, so let me explain something to you.

In a free society people will choose differing values. Some will choose to live for money. Others for faith. Others for family, work, or leisure time. Some will choose to live deep in the mountains, off the land, in a tent. Some will be altruistic saints; others selfish jerks.

You don’t like that, do you? Having a narrow vision of an idealized world that does not exist, you want everyone to conform to YOUR worldview. You are like a million other liberals who espouse a belief they contradict with every heartbeat. It’s not “tolerant” or “diverse” to vilify someone’s desire to be wealthy. Not in a free society, anyway.

So do you like the idea of a free society? If you do, you must abide that people have differing views. If you decide that, no, you can’t tolerate that some will live to be wealthy, than admit who you are. You are an ideologue, unwilling to accept differences in others. You are intolerant and rigid in your thinking. You do not appreciate diversity in others.

You’re young, but not too young to know who you are. Think about it, be honest about it, and own it.

Grace_is_sufficient on August 19, 2009 at 7:47 AM

“I guess the donk party really is full of ideologues because if they try to cram this down our throat, they will be very sorry indeed.

TheAdmiral on August 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Either that or else Obama will be appointing an election czar to oversee future elections and make sure they run smoothly.

FloatingRock on August 19, 2009 at 3:05 AM”

An election Czar -good idea -they could name it…ACORN!

Don L on August 19, 2009 at 7:51 AM

I hope they do try the nuclear option on the Obama “Enough Rope” Healthcare plan.

You’re just cementing a crushing defeat in 2010 that will guarantee Republicans in power for years.

Pcoop on August 19, 2009 at 7:54 AM

$2 trillion deficit $1.3 attributed to Bush, it’s going to be way more than that soon. don’t care.

No, $700b attributed to Bush:

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/

And if you don’t care about the deficit, then you really are a moron.

Ann NY on August 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM

Even some Bush hating liberals are afraid of Obama’s Marxism.

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 7:14 AM

Great link. Thanks.

misslizzi on August 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM

It’s interesting to think that this is all a conspiracy plan that has 15 steps, each executed flawlessly by Emperor Palpatine…..

But I think that right answer is usually the least complicated and simple…it’s hard to understand how one man can be responsible for JFK, or how Bush actually acted in good faith in trying to protect America from what all thought was a stockpile of WMD’s in Iraq, or how the Dems today are just not very bright and really screwing up their agenda and message on a daily basis.

Exit question: who would play the following black ops operators in the movie?

Barney Frank:
Henry Waxman:
Chris Dodd:
Nancy Pelosi:
Harry Reid:
Arlen Spector:

tatersalad on August 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM

The headline should read
‘Dear America, go f*** yourselves. Love, BH Obama.”

bloviator on August 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM

The Obama Presidency is in crash and burn mode right now.
The man who thought himself a god has been made to look like the egotistical, vapid, fop that he truly is. The question is not whether or not he can he save his Presidency, the question is what will be the exact date that a reporter writes an article blaming racists for his failure as a leader

Jeff from WI on August 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM

Even some Bush hating liberals are afraid of Obama’s Marxism.

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 7:14 AM

Great link. Thanks.

misslizzi on August 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM

Ok, I’m really confused. I thought Nat Hentoff passed away last year.

Ann NY on August 19, 2009 at 8:11 AM

Trial Balloon= Operant Conditioning

Salivate next time you see a balloon fly hear a bell ring.

This is Animal Farm

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 8:13 AM

Ok, I’m really confused. I thought Nat Hentoff passed away last year.

Ann NY on August 19, 2009 at 8:11 AM

No it looks like he’s a spry 84. Although he won’t be with us much longer if Obama has his druthers.

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 8:14 AM

welcome_ghosts is just another by-product of a failed LAUSD. Just like AnninCa. Both of which bring nothing to the table.

jbh45 on August 19, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Saw this post over at MM’s site. This really spells out why the public option is so despised by most Americans.
The public option will be OUR Waterloo if it passes. We will officially be in the unsustainable debt territory.

The reason any semblance of a public option is a non-starter for conservatives is that everyone on the public option will become a LIABILITY of the government budget.

If the government option doesn’t bring in enough money to pay claims, the taxpayer will have to bail it out. . . private insurance companies would be bankrupted.
ThackerAgency

Goodeye_Closed on August 19, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Is there a Constitutional challenge for this?

marklmail on August 19, 2009 at 9:11 AM

marklmail on August 19, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Several

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 9:12 AM

“Go it alone” is a cheese trap.

See “operant conditioning”

“Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage…”
–smashing pumpkins.

ted c on August 19, 2009 at 9:14 AM

on the reconciliation process we were talking about last night, here is some info from a prog blog on what they expect will happen if they try and use it:

But reconciliation is not just a “50-vote senate,” as it’s sometimes called. It’s a process constructed in the 1970s for a specific, limited purpose: to bring existing programs in line (reconcile them) with a long-term budget. Since then, it’s been used for huge policy changes: the Reagan and Clinton budget plans, the Bush tax cuts. But there are limits. Under the senate’s Byrd Rule, intended to hold the process somewhat to its original purpose, reconciliation can’t include provisions that have no budgetary effect or that have an effect outside the current budget window, which right now is five years. (Byrd Rule limits can be waived, but by 60 votes, so you’re back in the 60-vote Senate.)

To greatly oversimplify, what this means is that it’s almost impossible to use reconciliation to build something new. You can expand Medicare or shrink it, cut taxes or raise them. But to construct something that doesn’t already exist will inevitably require provisions that don’t in themselves have a significant budgetary impact: regulations, structures, guidelines, realigned bureaucracies. In particular, much of the structure of health insurance exchanges that are envisioned in the House and HELP Committee bills would not survive the Byrd Rule axe. Only the flimsiest outlines of a health reform bill would survive – the financing would be there, but not the structures to ensure that the money would be used properly. Further, reconciliation would give the Finance Committee – which controls the money – even more clout over the more liberal HELP committee.

Some have suggested using reconciliation to install the rough skeleton of reform, and then fixing it later, but the act of using reconciliation in the first place is such a nuclear option that it is likely to poison the waters not just with the four semi-reasonable Republicans but also with the Democrats who are left out of the deal, and will be needed on subsequent legislation.

ginaswo on August 19, 2009 at 9:22 AM

It’s time to put the DemonRats out of business.

Oh, that right, they’re doing it to themselves. Go for you slugs!!

Sweet_Thang on August 19, 2009 at 9:22 AM

The public option will be OUR Waterloo if it passes. We will officially be in the unsustainable debt territory.

Has anyone noticed that the existence of public options has not prevented the success of private:

-education
-security firms
-housing
-shipping services
Why would it threaten private health insurance. What people against the public option consistently ignore is that few Americans “choose” their healthcare now. Most are covered under an employer plan which IS a massive single payer system, just contained within an employer.

CrankyIndependent on August 19, 2009 at 9:30 AM

elduende on August 19, 2009 at 6:54 AM

It will be interesting to see if the Tennessee State Soverienty resolution passed by our legislature and signed by our (Democrat) governor last February will have any meaning. I imagine we’ll need other states to join with us.

pannw on August 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM

*Sovereignty
>.<

pannw on August 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM

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