Drudge: Democrats ready to go it alone on ObamaCare? Update: NYT link added
posted at 9:22 pm on August 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
A teaser for an NYT bombshell due out later. Normally I wouldn’t post on it until the article’s up but this can only mean that they’re going to go all out for the public option and use “reconciliation” if need be to nuke the filibuster in the Senate, no? Why cut the GOP out of negotiations only to settle for some watered-down alternative like co-ops? If you’re going to kick the minority party out of the room and anger half the country, you might as well make the bill as syrupy sweet to your own side as possible. And if that means having to take a precedent-setting step as draconian as reconciliation to deal with Blue Dogs like Ben Nelson who might not accept a public option, hey. Besides, Grassley and Jon Kyl all but told the Democrats today that they won’t vote for the final bill regardless of what’s in it, in which case it’s pointless for The One to keep making concessions. He might as well get the bill he wants, paint the GOP as “the party of no”, and hope that the inevitable ill effects of his program don’t appear before the midterms. Which they probably won’t.
While we wait for the Times piece, a few fun data points from the new NBC poll out tonight. Note the numbers on question 15. The One’s really rolling the dice here.


Update: Here’s the NYT piece. Nothing concrete.
[S]uch a change could alter the dynamic of talks surrounding health care legislation, and even change the substance of a final bill. With no need to negotiate with Republicans, Democrats might be better able to move more quickly, relying on their large majorities in both houses. Democratic senators might feel more empowered, for example, to define the authority of the nonprofit insurance cooperatives that are emerging as an alternative to a public insurance plan…
Administration officials, who maintain that Republicans are badly mischaracterizing the legislation that has emerged from three House committees and the Senate health committee, said they had hoped to achieve some level of bipartisan support. But they are becoming increasingly convinced that they will instead have to navigate the complicated politics among varying Democratic factions.
The officials said the White House hoped to make the case to the American people that it was Republicans who had abandoned the effort at bipartisanship. Republicans countered by saying that they simply opposed the legislation and that the public outcry had validated their view and solidified their opposition.
One senior administration official said the sense within the White House was that Republicans, in an effort to undermine President Obama and Congressional Democrats, had made a political calculation to oppose any health care legislation.
Thus did a party that no longer has enough Senate seats to pull a filibuster somehow become an obstructionist, utopia-destroying leviathan. Belated exit question: Is this all just a ruse by The One to put pressure on the Blue Dogs to accept a public option? Symbolically kicking the GOP out of the negotiations leaves the media free to focus on conservative Democrats as the true stumbling block to universal health care. Ironically, the “go it alone” move may be aimed more at his own side than at the GOP.










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Thou shalt not steal. Give of your on money freely, volunarily. Do not steal from Peter to give to lazy liberal343 or mentally ill crr6.
bill30097 on August 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Has there ever been an action like this in our Union before? A polarized congress with sweeping legislation being forced upon a population that has a majority OPPOSED to it? I don’t think you can even draw parallels to the Civil War because you had a majority of the population supporting absolution. (Slim, but it was there)
What if the majority refuses to follow the law? What then? Does Obama enforce it ala the Whiskey Rebellion?!
Skywise on August 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM
I plan to go to DC on 9/12. I would estimate that the arrogance that is Barack Throckmorton Obama would put it either the day prior, on 9/11, or on 9/12 itself.
how fitting, huh?
ted c on August 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM
eet awso sez wez geetz free gubmint cheezey-tatas frum nancee peloosee
Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Perfect
=)
FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM
2013 is after 2012
Just a reminder for the trolls
CWforFreedom on August 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM
We’ve seen the prototype: The Indian Health Service, the Veteran’s Administration, Medicare, the Post Office, the DMV, we’ve seen plenty of prototupes.
johnsteele on August 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM
i tink dat de consteetooshun also sayz we can gets haz free ice kreem from da prezedint
blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 10:38 PM
What did Jesus teach you about temple zealots governing the people?
Skywise on August 18, 2009 at 10:38 PM
The post office doesn’t forbid FedEx and UPS from taking on new customers after 5 years either, nor are they forced to dump all their customers who will then be forced to use the Post Office if they ever change anything about the way they currently do business.
At least you admit that the private system is far superior to government run….so…why is it we need a government run health care option again?
xblade on August 18, 2009 at 10:38 PM
We know. it causes brin diseases which cause one to rite nonsense like you do.
bill30097 on August 18, 2009 at 10:38 PM
The Democrats pull the nuclear option, they’ll end up doing it for all the rest of their legislation, because there will no longer be any “bipartisan” anything.
Damned right the Democrats will ‘own it’. we won’t have to wait for the ‘results to start kicking in’, the public will start kicking Democratic ass beginning in the 2010 elections. Followed by The One’s ouster in 2014. All the Democrats will be left with will be a wasteland like that of “Judgment Day”.
GarandFan on August 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM
und it bess be laxtox intolherent orlse i getz dee runz
Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM
quit paying taxes then
liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Jesus taught us about compassion, he did not teach that it was the role of government to ram it down our throats.
johnsteele on August 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Liberal 343…don’t talk to me about compassion. You are the party of killing the unborn and the party that always seems to be stingy with their charatiable contributions. You like compassion as long as someone else pays for it. Jesus would tell you to get off your lazy arse and work for a living. Punk.
bigtexmex on August 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Has lynching people ever been legal? I don’t understand getalife343′s thought process.
PappaMac on August 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM
I somehow doubt that Jesus would have approved of death panels or federally funded abortions.
Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Not to throw a wet blanket on the prospects for 2010, but how much of a majority would it take to be able to override an Obama veto, and how many would it take to get to that number?
txmomof6 on August 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Oh, and you idiots clamoring about “rights” do realize that not even getting your Social Security benefits is a “right”, despite the fact that you can’t opt out.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5776
What makes you think that the “right” to health care you THINK you are getting will be treated any differently, especially once those deficits start biting and “flexibility and boldness in adjustment to ever changing conditions” becomes necessary?
venividivici on August 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM
duz we? g’damn! I went up der and he said it was fiddy cent… i tawt me and da POTUS wuz homeboyz
ted c on August 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Congress might vote to increase the size of the USSC. The original Court had six justices, seven under Jefferson, ten, for a while, under Lincoln, and in 1869 the number was fixed at nine justices.
But Congress cannot pass any law exempt from judicial review, nor exempt from challenge by a citizen, so long as that citizen has established standing before the Court.
coldwarrior on August 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM
bill30097 on August 18, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Al Frankin is the 60th Senator.
LOL
welcome_ghosts on August 18, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Oh, oh, I know.
He taught us we should take care of our neighbor when in need – OK, paraphrasing.
So, why don’t we? Why must Christians look to dee gubmint to do uhhmm OUR JOB?
Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Exactly the type of decision a Dictator would make.
You people have no Choice ! Vee haf zee Votes !
Dissent will not be tolerated…until the next election grabs you by the Bunns.
JayTee on August 18, 2009 at 10:41 PM
This health care bill is a proverbial Ford Pinto!!!
FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 10:41 PM
yeah, they’ll all abort their remaining careers. Prior to that, however, they’ll erect a massive statue of themselves as the ones who cast the historic votes and martyred themselves in the service to their nation.
arrogance….
ted c on August 18, 2009 at 10:41 PM
NEIN!
Ze gasoleene doez not belong to you. You use it to only pollute ze earth. Ve vill provide you with free, safe, and ze clean, publik transportation using electrical wires strewn above ze roads.
Now gets to work to payz your taxes to ze wonderbar state!
Skywise on August 18, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Hell no!
Drained Brain on August 18, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Senator Stuart Smalley
welcome_ghosts on August 18, 2009 at 10:42 PM
If the republicans roll over and quietly, or worse, ineptly, accept this,they would deserve to be in the wilderness for a generation.
I expect this would result in a massive loss of dems next year IF the republicans loudly push the issue…if they remain polite and wussie, the opportunity to reverse the mess will be lost forever.
JIMV on August 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Getalife 343? What do you do for a living??? Just curious.
PappaMac on August 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM
GOOD Question.
I can’t think of one.
Surely one of the Vietnam war funding bills was less than 50%?
Truman’s desegregation of the armed forces (while right) was probably really unpopular at the time (1947) but that was an executive order, not a congressional bill
I honestly can’t think of one!
battleoflepanto1571 on August 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM
oh, I WILL and lets see how far you get with your health care rights then.
Skywise on August 18, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Seriously? Seriously?
This is the best you can do?
Man, go outside for five minutes. Take a breath. Come back in. Your trolling is going down hill.
Now here’s a zinger
“Haha, you guys couldn’t even beat Senator Stuart Smalley.”
I won’t even charge you.
Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Where have all the cowboys gone?
ted c on August 18, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Your right to healthcare ends at the tip of my wallet.
buh-bye troll.
Fighton03 on August 18, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Resistance is futile, say the Democrats.
Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Soros’ back-up fluffer.
Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 10:45 PM
LOL indeed…he has about as much business being a Senator as yer dumb ass…
BigWyo on August 18, 2009 at 10:45 PM
” It is easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”
Jesus message has always been about compassion and forgiveness. Majority of bankruptcies in America are due to Medical issues can’t you people show some compassion and help the ones in need?
liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Oh how the majority will fall! I can’t believe the Dems are so arrogant to think this will not backfire on them in 2010 (next year!) They are putting all their eggs in a basket full of holes. They can’t get the Stimulus right. Passed an OmniBus full of pork, Car dealerships still haven’t been paid for Clunkers. Wow.
TN Mom on August 18, 2009 at 10:45 PM
I think Jesus might be weeping about all of the murdered children your “compassionate” bill would slaughter, you brainless, insignificant f uck.
D2Boston on August 18, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Would Jesus come to his door holding a gun with the IRS?
CWforFreedom on August 18, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Do you think they will push against it? I know the ones already against it will increase the volume of their opposition to the bill, but what about the the more moderate social types? The majority of Republicans have been virtually silent so far on health care reform.
welcome_ghosts on August 18, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Again, prove it.
johnsteele on August 18, 2009 at 10:46 PM
That’s very chilling…
jerrytbg on August 18, 2009 at 10:46 PM
astroturfer…got the job from craigslist.
Fighton03 on August 18, 2009 at 10:46 PM
…and again
Oh, oh, I know.
Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:46 PM
They pull the reconciliation option and the Senate will stop because you need unanimous consent to do anything, including a recess. Anyone know who the Senate Parlimentarian is, because if they try to go reconciliation, I think he determines what goes in the bill and what stays out.
txmomof6 on August 18, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Ve know vuts good for you. And ve vill get it for you…for ze hefty price.
FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 10:47 PM
And yet, due to Kennedy & Byrd’s arrogance to keep running after age 90, you can only muster 58 democratic votes.
battleoflepanto1571 on August 18, 2009 at 10:47 PM
That’s a godamned lie..pure an simple…just like you..
BigWyo on August 18, 2009 at 10:47 PM
As a healthcare provider, I welcome the chance to see my new flock of patients. They’ll be so smug, so excited, so entitled to see me–fo’ free! Yep, it’ll be great–they’ll say, “take a look at my knee would you?”
Me: “Sure, I can see it from here.”
The Entitled: “It hurts when I do this.” (bends knee)
Me: “Stop doing that.”
The Entitled: “Is it normal for it to make this noise?”
Me: “Sure looks normal.”
The Entitled: “Is that it?”
Me: “Nope, when it all pays the same, why work harder? NEXT Patient!”
ted c on August 18, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Jesus taught us to call out the hypocrites for what they are, to be bold when it’s unpopular and to let the truth set us free. He called the spiritual leaders of his day dead men’s bones, a pit of vipers and empty vessels to their faces, because they put a burden on the backs of the people that they would not bear themselves.
Do not be mistaken: Christians are not weak. It takes enormous strength to be honest and real and fight for waht’s right when our evil opponents use every evil tool they can think of, including lying, obfuscating and hiding the truth. Don’t underestimate the power of light and truth. Do you know why you can’t make a lie the truth? Because a lie is a lie, and no matter how you spin it, you can’t make it real.
JustTruth101 on August 18, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Yeaah… but war funding votes have rarely been popular. What excuses them is that they’re a legitimate government function and (more importantly) they affect “other” people.
Skywise on August 18, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Snowe and Collins will pick up the slack.
=]
welcome_ghosts on August 18, 2009 at 10:48 PM
liberal:
Oh yes, will then a lot of Democratic contributors are not going to make it to heaven my dear, because they are rich. Seriously rich….
You will kill the old people just so you can fail to provide more health care to the rest of the country.
The best way to avoid bankruptcy? Just deny them the procedure.
Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 10:48 PM
I say we move to DC and pitch tents everywhere: One Million people….
Shut it down….bring a weeks supply of food & water and we can do rotations.
Hell No We Won’t Go!!!
What could they do? Arrest everyone???
Call in the National Guard??
That would make some some epic video!!!!!
izoneguy on August 18, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Weight of Glory on August 18, 2009 at 10:49 PM
If what you say is true, where are my free government guns?
ssa_in_az on August 18, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Like I said… 5 minutes of fresh air.
Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:49 PM
I’m a Network engineer I make close to 6 figures I have a full company funded insurance but I still think we need a government option. I sick of people dying because Insurance companies are refusing coverage. I know someone who was denied coverage from his insurance company after being with the company for 3 years. They told him it was a pre-existing condition so it would not be covered. What the ****? If he knew he had a brain tumor for 3 yeas would he have waited for that long????????????????
liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Ted.
You work at Arby’s.
welcome_ghosts on August 18, 2009 at 10:49 PM
If the Lord returned tomorrow, I doubt he’d be weeping over mortgages….
I think Jesus MIGHT be a wee bit more concerned with the slaughtering of 50,000,000 aborted babies first, dont ya think???
battleoflepanto1571 on August 18, 2009 at 10:50 PM
I’m not a particularly religious man, but my father taught me to depend on myself and nobody else. If you think you’re going to depend on me to tend to your needs, think again….if that is possible for you.
Patrick S on August 18, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Take control of the house and shut down government for two years….
Just shut the *ucker down….
No budgets, let the federal workers rot…
izoneguy on August 18, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Do you own a history book that claims the federal government had a proposed bill that all states will comply with its federally mandated lynching program?
anuts on August 18, 2009 at 10:50 PM
hehehe— your mom sure likes the beef.
ted c on August 18, 2009 at 10:50 PM
So since you make close to 6 figures, I’m sure you offered to help this person out with his health expenses.
Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:50 PM
“scratch my back”
yes mr soros
“no lower”
yes, mr soros
“lower”
yes, mr soros
“lower, i said”
yes, sorry, mr soros
“I SAID LOWER!!!!!”
yes, but mr soros, that is your bottom!
blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Why would they make noise? The number of people against OgabeScare rise by the day while Ogabe’s poll numbers fall; there is no reason to make a scene while the ‘rats bury themselves.
Bishop on August 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
BigWyo:
liberal 343 does lie a lot. The majority of bankruptcies right now are brought about by the Democrats crappy economy.
Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
he makes seven figures
stick versions of the seven dwarves
blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
That’s what bankruptcy is for. I am not going to pay your medical bills. That’s not my responsibility. At all.
KSgop on August 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
That epitaph is so good I can’t decide which part I like the best. Lol.
Lightswitch on August 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
No it’s not.
BTW, I donate a large amount of my time and money to those in need. Jesus told US to do it, not force others to do it FOR us by government proxy.
Skywise on August 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Obamacare: Getting you shovel ready
ted c on August 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
That’s right, 85% of Americans continue to pay premiums to insurance companies even though they know the insurance company won’t pay any claims, lol.
That the insane, such as yourself, should be forgiven, for the madness they suffer is not their fault.
xblade on August 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
WTF!!! They don’t care! The socialists are going for it….
They can pass all the bills they want. It won’t stand.
It just won’t stand.
izoneguy on August 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
As is typical, your statistics are either a lie or quoted out of ignorance. That study on bankruptcies is fatally flawed.
http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2009/07/30/the_medical_bankruptcy_myth_97335.html
venividivici on August 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Ok…put some one on your goddamned insurance then…you can sleep easy tonight…prick..
BigWyo on August 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Oh, gotcha.
Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Probably not. 343 had other things to spend his money on. That house in San Remo, the chalet in Gstaad, you know, important things.
coldwarrior on August 18, 2009 at 10:52 PM
I don’t think Republicans have been quiet so far, but then again the Democrats blame them whether they say a lot or not.
Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 10:52 PM
I’m a Network engineer I make close to 6 figures
liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Yeh sure . You are on the dole there is not doubt.
BTW when you count the figures do not count the digits after the ( . ) just because you get 1000.00 in welfare does not mean you get 6 figures.that is only 4.
CWforFreedom on August 18, 2009 at 10:52 PM
it’s funny what you can think of when you work at Arby’s
//sarc…
ted c on August 18, 2009 at 10:52 PM
*uck You!!! That is a lie dipshit….
Read this jackass – If you know how to.
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/25/2/w74
izoneguy on August 18, 2009 at 10:53 PM
There are no more basic rights than our basic rights. Therefore I demand immediate, complete, and total access to Universal Legal Care. We need to scrap this haphazard piecemeal system of public defenders and contingency-fee lawsuits. We can start with a co-op, and work from there. High Quality Universal Legal Representation is a right, not a privilege!!!
RudeMechanic on August 18, 2009 at 10:53 PM
His teachings certainly left me with enough focus to never confuse compassion with servitude.
anuts on August 18, 2009 at 10:53 PM
I’m sorry to hear that (i really am), but do you think a GOVERNMENT PANEL DECIDING THINGS is BETTER?
at least currently, you can buy from a NEW health insurance plan.
it might be expensive,
you might go into credit card debt,
but there IS a second option.
if the GOVT runs it all and turns you down…… WHAT DO YOU DO THEN???
There’s NO SECOND OPTION.
Mexico??? Cuba??? Might as well lay down on the interstate.
battleoflepanto1571 on August 18, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Weight of Glory on August 18, 2009 at 10:53 PM
HealthCare reform isn’t for “the ones in need”. It’s for the unions like SEIU (our healthcare industry is the #1 employer) and it’s about control (healthcare is 1/6 of our economy).
Silly rabbit: Compassion is a doctor and his patient.
TN Mom on August 18, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Diana Furchtgott-Roth?? I will believe you when you come with a credible source
liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Are these same silent representatives going to pull the same shit when democrats work on immigration reform next year? Stay quiet as to not offend a possible voting bloc?
If I was going to these town halls to express my anger and dislike of a bill, I would at least want some in my party to openly back me.
welcome_ghosts on August 18, 2009 at 10:54 PM
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