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Drudge: Democrats ready to go it alone on ObamaCare? Update: NYT link added

posted at 9:22 pm on August 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
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A teaser for an NYT bombshell due out later. Normally I wouldn’t post on it until the article’s up but this can only mean that they’re going to go all out for the public option and use “reconciliation” if need be to nuke the filibuster in the Senate, no? Why cut the GOP out of negotiations only to settle for some watered-down alternative like co-ops? If you’re going to kick the minority party out of the room and anger half the country, you might as well make the bill as syrupy sweet to your own side as possible. And if that means having to take a precedent-setting step as draconian as reconciliation to deal with Blue Dogs like Ben Nelson who might not accept a public option, hey. Besides, Grassley and Jon Kyl all but told the Democrats today that they won’t vote for the final bill regardless of what’s in it, in which case it’s pointless for The One to keep making concessions. He might as well get the bill he wants, paint the GOP as “the party of no”, and hope that the inevitable ill effects of his program don’t appear before the midterms. Which they probably won’t.

While we wait for the Times piece, a few fun data points from the new NBC poll out tonight. Note the numbers on question 15. The One’s really rolling the dice here.

Update: Here’s the NYT piece. Nothing concrete.

[S]uch a change could alter the dynamic of talks surrounding health care legislation, and even change the substance of a final bill. With no need to negotiate with Republicans, Democrats might be better able to move more quickly, relying on their large majorities in both houses. Democratic senators might feel more empowered, for example, to define the authority of the nonprofit insurance cooperatives that are emerging as an alternative to a public insurance plan…

Administration officials, who maintain that Republicans are badly mischaracterizing the legislation that has emerged from three House committees and the Senate health committee, said they had hoped to achieve some level of bipartisan support. But they are becoming increasingly convinced that they will instead have to navigate the complicated politics among varying Democratic factions.

The officials said the White House hoped to make the case to the American people that it was Republicans who had abandoned the effort at bipartisanship. Republicans countered by saying that they simply opposed the legislation and that the public outcry had validated their view and solidified their opposition.

One senior administration official said the sense within the White House was that Republicans, in an effort to undermine President Obama and Congressional Democrats, had made a political calculation to oppose any health care legislation.

Thus did a party that no longer has enough Senate seats to pull a filibuster somehow become an obstructionist, utopia-destroying leviathan. Belated exit question: Is this all just a ruse by The One to put pressure on the Blue Dogs to accept a public option? Symbolically kicking the GOP out of the negotiations leaves the media free to focus on conservative Democrats as the true stumbling block to universal health care. Ironically, the “go it alone” move may be aimed more at his own side than at the GOP.


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No one is promoting Universal Health care. It is a public option just like the post office. Fedex and UPS are still around. The post office haven’t driven them out of business

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 9:58 PM

In related news, the post office is talking about canceling Saturday deliveries and laying off thousands of people. Yeah, let’s put the people running that business in charge of the health care industry.

And incidentally, FedEx and UPS are unable to compete in certain areas of the business. The USPS has a legalized, government-protected monopoly on First-class mail.

The socialized health care system won’t need to make a profit and will be able to turn to Uncle Sam whenever it needs to rules manipulated to better serve its interests. Private industry won’t be able to compete.

But then again, you’ve likely never even run a lemonade stand, so you shouldn’t be expected to understand basic concepts.

amerpundit on August 18, 2009 at 10:02 PM

FIFY

FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 10:01 PM

good call bro

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 10:02 PM

coldwarrior on August 18, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Good – bring on a “Progressive” party. Maybe these socialists will finally learn who the American people really are. We’re NOT socialists. A Progressive party will be an epic fail but it will be nice to have them torn from the rump of the Democrat party.

DerKrieger on August 18, 2009 at 10:02 PM

No one is promoting Universal Health care. It is a public option just like the post office. Fedex and UPS are still around. The post office haven’t driven them out of business

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Wow…just wow…..dumber than hammered sh!t.

crr69, you backing up your boyfriend on this?

Patrick S on August 18, 2009 at 10:02 PM

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Well no one is dying, waiting for their mail to be delivered.

FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 10:03 PM

would the post office still be around if it wasn’t backed by the government?

andrewtf on August 18, 2009 at 10:01 PM

no it wouldn’t that why it is government run.

If FedEx and UPS can exist alongside the USPS then I think public option can also co-exist with private insurance

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:03 PM

faraway on August 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Nope. This time the libs will be so out numbered it will be impossible to manufacture anything with credibility.

10’s of thousands of us. Maybe hundreds.

katy on August 18, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Good luck with that. If there’s one rule of American politics it’s that it’s nearly impossible to repeal a federal entitlement.

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 10:01 PM

America has never run out of money before either.

MB4 on August 18, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Conservatives. It’s come to this: There will be blood.
America is deeply divided, but most people still get their information from the mainstream (liberal) media. The electoral outcome will favor conservatives and their representatives in the 2010 elections but, until then, the Dems with a few of their Blue Dogs can ram this through. There’ll be hell to pay since the conservative grass roots are angry and mobilized but then so are the lib/progressives and they control the messengers.
Therefore Dr. Rahm will first stir the hornet’s nest in the hope that a blazing conservative backlash will frighten the mushy middle into a satisfying compromise without the necessity for all out war. A crisis is not to be wasted.
Therefore I believe the correct conservative action is to conserve as much Republican opposition as we can while staring down the Dems who will surely be defeated if they join their leadership in this health care folly.
No compromise, no surrender. We are the 101st, and this is Bastogne.

Randy

williars on August 18, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Let’s see…USPS is raising postal rates every couple of months and now they’re talking about cutting service hours. So if Government Health Care runs this smoothly, can you say Rationed healthcare?

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Good luck with that. If there’s one rule of American politics it’s that it’s nearly impossible to repeal a federal entitlement.

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 10:01 PM

ObamaCare won’t start delivering benefits until 2013 according to reports. Other entitlements, including Medicare, were delivering benefits within months.

amerpundit on August 18, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Well no one is dying, waiting for their mail to be delivered.

FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Oh, you don’t know liberal343… it’s dying for his subscription of … just a second, let me go Google the name of a S&M mag…

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:04 PM

No one is promoting Universal Health care. It is a public option just like the post office. Fedex and UPS are still around. The post office haven’t driven them out of business

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 9:58 PM

ROFLMAO you really do not think for yourself.

Get this dumbazz . If the pubs retake enough Congress in 10 they can squash this like a bug . This would not surprise me if the dems act arrogantly. The plan as is would not go into effect for several years. Enjoy dimwit

CWforFreedom on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Bluffing

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 9:47 PM

They have to be bluffing. They can’t any kind of bill that would do anything through reconciliation. Keith Hennessey has posted a lot on this. More importantly, Kent Conrad has flat out said it won’t work. Would the Chair of Senate Budget committee know what would go through a reconciliation process? I think so.

msmveritas on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Currahee!

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 10:01 PM

You’re a damn fool if you think Conservatives are going to just accept defeat on this and move on. I suspect several Red states will pursue nullification and succeed since the Constitution will be on their side.

DerKrieger on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Nope. This time the libs will be so out numbered it will be impossible to manufacture anything with credibility.

10’s of thousands of us. Maybe hundreds.

katy on August 18, 2009 at 10:03 PM

I only saw one guy at VFW. The nut with an AR-15.

faraway on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Why should an employer pay for Employee Healthcare when he can choose the Government Option for free?

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 10:02 PM

When your in need of care and are tired of those pain relievers, just give O.U.C.H, (Obama Union County Hospital) a call. 1-800-OUCH. Getting you treated slow but steady…

FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

no it wouldn’t that why it is government run.

If FedEx and UPS can exist alongside the USPS then I think public option can also co-exist with private insurance

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:03 PM

And again…

I call bullsh*t with your cute little reference to USPS vs UPS … unless you UPS your gamma her Christmas cards … which you might (just so you can send her your fruitcake).

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

In related news, the post office is talking about canceling Saturday deliveries and laying off thousands of people. Yeah, let’s put the people running that business in charge of the health care industry.

I always wonder if you guys realize how ridiculous you sound when you make this argument. As if private businesses aren’t downsizing and laying people off. Snort-worthy.

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

msmveritas on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

I think it’s just a lot of
……

….
hot air..

coming from them

ba da bssshh

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Sapwolf:

I hope that was sardonic humor.

Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Yay, I just got a personal email from Tim Kaine!

misslizzi –

David Plouffe sent the note below to Organizing for America supporters today, and I wanted to make sure you saw it.

Organizing for America and President Obama are holding a National Health Care Forum on Thursday at 2:30 Eastern Time. I’ll be participating, and I hope you can join us, either on the internet or by calling in.

RSVP and submit a question for President Obama:

http://my.barackobama.com/forum1

Hope you can make it,

Governor Tim Kaine
Chairman

——– Original message ——–
From: David Plouffe, BarackObama.com
Subject: Thursday: Strategy meeting with the President

Friend –

President Obama is holding a live strategy meeting on Thursday at 2:30 p.m. Eastern Time for all Organizing for America supporters. I hope you can join us, online or by phone.

The President will update us on the fight to pass real health insurance reform — what’s happening in D.C. and what’s happening around the country. He’ll lay out our strategy and message going forward and answer questions from supporters like you. And we’ll unveil the next actions we’ll organize together.

This is a critical time in this President’s administration, and in the history of our country. I hope you can join us.

Here are the details:

What: Organizing for America National Health Care Forum

When: Thursday, August 20th, 2:30 p.m. Eastern Time

RSVP and submit a question for the President.

misslizzi on August 18, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Good luck with that. If there’s one rule of American politics it’s that it’s nearly impossible to repeal a federal entitlement.

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 10:01 PM

ObamaCare won’t start delivering benefits until 2013 according to reports. Other entitlements, including Medicare, were delivering benefits within months.

amerpundit on August 18, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Ameripundit you beat me to it. Liberal and Crr are incredibly ignorant

CWforFreedom on August 18, 2009 at 10:06 PM

If FedEx and UPS can exist alongside the USPS then I think public option can also co-exist with private insurance

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Sweetie, the USPS is not MANDATING that after an 18 month period, that FedEx and UPS can not accept any more customers. “You can keep your doctor, you can keep your insurance” is a damn lie.

Marcus on August 18, 2009 at 10:06 PM

just a second, let me go Google the name of a S&M mag…

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:04 PM

just look on your nightstand.. I keed I keed
-_-

thomasaur on August 18, 2009 at 10:06 PM

crr6:

People making that argument do not sound half as ridiculous as the President of the United States sounded when he dragged the Post Office into the discussion in the first damn place.

The idiot.

Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

I always wonder if you guys realize how ridiculous you sound when you make this argument. As if private businesses aren’t downsizing and laying people off. Snort-worthy.

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Pot meet kettle. You are an idiot

CWforFreedom on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

thomasaur on August 18, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Upstater, will you tolerate the owning thomasaur just wrought upon you?

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

succeed since the Constitution will be on their side.

Do you mean secede?

katy on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

MB4 on August 18, 2009 at 9:56 PM

The instant I started to read that, I knew it was you…;)

jerrytbg on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

just look on your nightstand.. I keed I keed
-_-

thomasaur on August 18, 2009 at 10:06 PM

I hope… I don’t think 343 is my b*tch.

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Why should an employer pay for Employee Healthcare when he can choose the Government Option for free?

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Because the government will tax every employee of mine 7% if I discontinue their company-provided coverage.

oceansidecon on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

DerKrieger on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Is Der Krieger a secessionist? An admitted secessionist?

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Upstater, will you tolerate the owning thomasaur just wrought upon you?

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

I can role with the punches ;-)

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM

sapwolf, calm down. It’s just politics. You will wake up in the morning. The sun will still shine.

faraway on August 18, 2009 at 9:54 PM

I’m calm. Just stating facts. The real violence and riots will get going when this legislation increases the deficit and along with the other deficit-inducing, economy-killing laws make it very difficult to house your family, feed them, and the standard of living gradually sinks to where people won’t take it anymore because they have to survive.

Sapwolf on August 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM

The Presidents Kool Aid: nutritional equivalent of “empty calories”

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Budget reconciliation courtesy of American Prospect.

Jeff2161 on August 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM

When the private companies start delivering individual letters for 50 cents or so then we can start really comparing.

CWforFreedom on August 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM

I always wonder if you guys realize how ridiculous you sound when you make this argument. As if private businesses aren’t downsizing and laying people off. Snort-worthy.

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Here the genius snort-worthy troll is unaware that when government loses money the taxpayers lose money–unlike the private sector. another wasted mind………..

Janos Hunyadi on August 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM

no it wouldn’t that why it is government run.

If FedEx and UPS can exist alongside the USPS then I think public option can also co-exist with private insurance

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:03 PM

You’re an idiot, aren’t you? The Post Office and UPS/FedEx provide two different services.

Have you ever sent a First Class letter through FedEx? No. UPS? No. Why? Because the federal government has created a legal monopoly that only lets the USPS carry out First Class mail service.

As Upstater85 stated above, you don’t send your Grandma a Christmas card through FedEx or UPS.

amerpundit on August 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Dems have an opportunity of a life time. They should not blow it. Ram it through whether the rethugs like it or not

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM

The filibuster withstood even the Civil Rights era yet the Obamacare co-op programs will be the end of it?

Spathi on August 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM

So, after the Democrats who stole a majority by pretending they were moderates….cram this thing down the throats of a country that does not want it…then what?

Will the Republicans run on the huge deficit the Democrats created? Will they run on the fact that the Democrats have shown zero respect for the opinion of the American people? Will they run on the fact that Democrats are pushing a huge government take over when they can not even run their own party?

I think there might be real potential in this.

Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM

“You can keep your doctor, you can keep your insurance” is a damn lie.

Marcus on August 18, 2009 at 10:06 PM

That’s another lie he keeps saying that makes me shake my head.

He lies like breathing. It’s just so ridiculous.

Sapwolf on August 18, 2009 at 10:10 PM

faraway on August 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM

I’m talking about 9/12 in DC. This may be the conservative million man march…

katy on August 18, 2009 at 10:10 PM

I can role with the punches ;-)

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM

You take as well as you give, I find that admirable.

thomasaur on August 18, 2009 at 10:10 PM

When the private companies start delivering individual letters for 50 cents or so then we can start really comparing.

CWforFreedom on August 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Exactly

But now is the time to keep a level and fight the fear mongering by passing this bill NOW!!!

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Do you mean secede?

katy on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

I think he meant succeed in the pursuit of nullification — not secession from the union.

amerpundit on August 18, 2009 at 10:10 PM

liberal:

So, is it your opinion that the majority of the American people are rethugs?

Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Dems have an opportunity of a life time. They should not blow it. Ram it through whether the rethugs like it or not

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM

So you honestly don’t care if the American people want it or not? Really?

terryannonline on August 18, 2009 at 10:10 PM

oceansidecon on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

That could be less than some employers’ coverage rate for carrying their employees. If it is, the employer will choose the gubmit option, which will help put priate insurance out of business.

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 10:10 PM

I’m encouraged tonight to see that the statist liberal agenda of Barack Throckmorton Obama is going to be crushed with the hammer of liberty upon the anvil of freedom.

This lightworker doesn’t have the courage, nor the political capital to stand up against a single conservative –hell, he can’t even unite his own bedraggled party of knob gobblers and light thinkers.

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 10:11 PM

LOL

They drop this bomb as soon as most of the town halls are over.

You have to at least give it to the Administration that they are politically savvy and calculating. If the Republicans try and block this then the Democrats can blame THEM. Just when I thought they had misplaced their balls!

You magnificent bastards!

welcome_ghosts on August 18, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Dems have an opportunity of a life time. They should not blow it. Ram it through whether the rethugs like it or not

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM

LOL
I laugh when I read your comments

It’s so

Getalife-ish

RIP

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 10:11 PM

You take as well as you give, I find that admirable.

thomasaur on August 18, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Hey, if you can’t laugh at yourself, then you have issues…

Just don’t call me a Stalin-hearted lefty.

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:11 PM

No one is promoting Universal Health care. It is a public option just like the post office. Fedex and UPS are still around. The post office haven’t driven them out of business

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 9:58 PM

That analogy works about as well for you as it did for Obama. Try another one.

DrStock on August 18, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Of course, if the Republicans in the Senate demand Supreme Court review, this could get vveeerrry interesting.

Jeff2161 on August 18, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Dems have an opportunity of a life time. They should not blow it. Ram it through whether the rethugs like it or not

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM

And by “Rethugs” you mean the majority of the country, right?

Whenever you lose an argument you revert back to, “Oh well, we have the votes so we’ll do it anyway. So tough.” You don’t have the facts or American people on your side, so you’ll ignore both and push it through because you can.

amerpundit on August 18, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Dems have an opportunity of a life time. They should not blow it. Ram it through whether the rethugs like it or not

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Umm, McFly, it’s not just the “rethugs” (what a cutely cliched slam attempt) that don’t like it – if you haven’t been keeping track of the polls, support for this has been tanking by the day. Did you notice the NBC poll in the post? 47-43 against with an oversampling of Democrats.

Wellsy on August 18, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Because the government will tax every employee of mine 7% if I discontinue their company-provided coverage.

oceansidecon on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

So if you’re working at a law firm or other organization where a majority of the people make in excess of $100k/year, you’ll be ok. If you’re working at Blockbuster at $10/hr… bend over and take it…

Oh, and now if you’re at the law firm, you can never change jobs without automatically being jammed into the Government Plan… so now they can screw you in terms of promotions and raises…

phreshone on August 18, 2009 at 10:12 PM

katy on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

No I meant succeed.

DerKrieger on August 18, 2009 at 10:12 PM

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Why the rush? Shouldn’t we use our heads and think this through? Our health care is need of reform yes. But what you want to do is instead of fixing the engine, you buy a whole new car altogether.

FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 10:12 PM

“You can keep your doctor, you can keep your insurance” is a damn lie.

Marcus on August 18, 2009 at 10:06 PM

That’s another lie he keeps saying that makes me shake my head.

He lies like breathing. It’s just so ridiculous.

Sapwolf on August 18, 2009 at 10:10 PM

What makes me shudder is Obama promising the “government will keep insurance companies honest.” Makes me wretch every time.

Marcus on August 18, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Getalife-ish

RIP

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 10:11 PM

RIP getalife

That said, I think even getalife knew that the South China Sea didn’t belong to China…

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:13 PM

We have a real competition going here between crr6 and liberal343 as to who can show themselves to be the biggest liar, the more stupid poster, and the largest troll. Who do you think is “winning” each race?

bill30097 on August 18, 2009 at 10:13 PM

katy on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Oops

No, I meant succeed

DerKrieger on August 18, 2009 at 10:13 PM

I’m not a secessionist, yet.

But, I’m currently a forced secessionist for CA to leave the Union and don’t let the door hit them on the way out. But who could blame me for that.

:)

Sapwolf on August 18, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Once government health care is passes repealing it will be like repealing Medicare. POLITICAL SUICIDE in the 100th degree

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM

You are on effing crack. Medicare became entrenched because people over 65 didn’t have a lot of insurance options at the time. Medicare was not pushed on a population of people that were mostly satisfied with what they had already.

I knew you were an idiot, but you outdid yourself with this comment. With the exception of the uninsured, people are going to hate this the minute it goes into effect.

venividivici on August 18, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Can we dare invoke “ethnic cleansing” yet?

The Dems have a plan to make as many Americans as they can totally dependent on government largesse to survive, to feed their families, to have a job, and all the rest, to include free health care.

Any who do not fall into this New Plantation Society will be viewed as un-American. non-Americans, actually, and must be purged from society, as we are all dangerous gun-toting, Bible-clinging, too independent actual thinkers on the issues. Thus a danger to the envisioned Dem utopia.

The decades old messages of 1984, Brave New World, and A Clockwork Orange were prescient indeed.

coldwarrior on August 18, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Actually liberal, Fed Ex and UPS are not allowed to deliver first class mail and the Post office uses Fed Ex to carry the mail…so I think your comparison is really stupid.

Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM

If it meant a permanent separation from you friggin’ Marxist control freaks then yes.

DerKrieger on August 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM

American Prospect’s article dated March,2009

Jeff2161 on August 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM

What makes me shudder is Obama promising the “government will keep insurance companies honest.” Makes me wretch every time.

Marcus on August 18, 2009 at 10:12 PM


Who’s going to keep the Government honest???

Claire McCaskill asked the right question: “Don’t you trust me?”

Answered with a resounding NO by the people of MO.

phreshone on August 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM

MB4!!! It’s good to “see” you again. You’ve been gone too long.

Weight of Glory on August 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM

We have a real competition going here between crr6 and liberal343 as to who can show themselves to be the biggest liar, the more stupid poster, and the largest troll. Who do you think is “winning” each race?

bill30097 on August 18, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Troll porn.

Sapwolf on August 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Why the rush? Shouldn’t we use our heads and think this through? Our health care is need of reform yes. But what you want to do is instead of fixing the engine, you buy a whole new car altogether.

FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 10:12 PM

We’ve got to combat the irrational, racist, un-American fear mongering by shoving this down the throats of America…/s

OK, so let’s try are hardest to shove this down Nancy and Reid’s throats.

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM

You have to at least give it to the Administration that they are politically savvy and calculating. If the Republicans try and block this then the Democrats can blame THEM. Just when I thought they had misplaced their balls!

And that’s always what it’s about, isn’t it? Blame Republicans no matter what? Blame conservatives and the right no matter what?

We’re seeing a lot of true colors coming out tonight.

Wellsy on August 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Obstruction mania!

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Foolish twerp.

Jim Treacher on August 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Healthcare is a right!!!!!

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Hey, if you can’t laugh at yourself, then you have issues…

Just don’t call me a Stalin-hearted lefty.

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:11 PM

If you can’t laugh at yourself you shouldn’t laugh at others, unless they are Stalin-hearted lefties.
-_-

thomasaur on August 18, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM

By all means, lets.
:o)

FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Once government health care is passes repealing it will be like repealing Medicare. POLITICAL SUICIDE in the 100th degree

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Yeah, except that Medicare was delivering benefits about 11 months after it became law. ObamaCare comes into effect in about 2013 — after two Congressional elections and a presidential election.

amerpundit on August 18, 2009 at 10:15 PM

We have a real competition going here between crr6 and liberal343 as to who can show themselves to be the biggest liar, the more stupid poster, and the largest troll. Who do you think is “winning” each race?

bill30097 on August 18, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Liberal343

he’s very getalife-ish

short but sweet

“The dems need to push this through. Good luck cons”

Short, brief sentences, 2-4 at a time

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Healthcare is a right!!!!!

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:15 PM

*rolls eyes*

How about your make an argument for that…

Now, I will say access to healthcare is a right.

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 10:16 PM

liberal:

No, people will be happy to see this thing overturned. You see, your effed up party that can not even run a lousy car giveaway program..will not even start this thing until about 2013…by then the dollar will be worthless and the tax increases on regular Americans will have begun. People will not miss something that only caused them trouble and worry.

Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Healthcare is a right!!!!!

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:15 PM

You’re not even trying any more, are you? You’re just spitting out random soundbites you heard other liberals use.

Health care is a right? Find it in the Constitution.

amerpundit on August 18, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Healthcare is a right!!!!!

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:15 PM

It seems to me that the bumper sticker slogans don’t resonate as well as shouting them at a staged rally when you type them out in web text.

Wellsy on August 18, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Jeff2161 on August 18, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Tell me more…

I’ve always wondered why the SCOTUS is so darn quiet regarding legislation. Do they have to wait for someone to challenge a law passed by Congress before they can rule on it? What if Congress passed a law preventing free speech and forbid anyone from bringing it before the court?

Ever since FDR threatened to pack the court when they found much of the New Deal unconstitutional the SCOTUS has been very quiet.

DerKrieger on August 18, 2009 at 10:17 PM

“Beware the greedy hand of government, thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry.” — Thomas Paine

phreshone on August 18, 2009 at 10:17 PM

A lot of full diapers in here tonight.

Wonder why?

There isn’t any possible way this health reform bill will pass, right?

welcome_ghosts on August 18, 2009 at 10:17 PM

“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.” – Thomas Jefferson

phreshone on August 18, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Healthcare isn’t a right

You see, rights are about what you can DO

speak freely
write freely
etc

its not my right to have someone take care of my healthcare

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 10:18 PM

I think liberal is Allah. no one is this stupid.

BTW, this program will not establish health care as a right. It will not provide health care or health insurance to everyone and it will not be free.

Is food a right too? Will Pelosi take a page from her mentor Stalin’s book and take over agriculture too?

Terrye on August 18, 2009 at 10:18 PM

coldwarrior on August 18, 2009 at 10:13 PM

The healthcare will be rationed out to only those the state deems not a danger to them: statists, Dems, secularists, etc.

If you are GOP, libertarian, conservative, eventually they will not approve medical procedures for you on ideological grounds.

Now that happen overnight, but that is where we are currently headed.

Sapwolf on August 18, 2009 at 10:18 PM

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Not really. If it was a right, why are we paying so much for this bill?

FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 10:18 PM

People are going bankrupt everyday because insurance companies are refusing to make payments. Can’t you thugs see whats going on? Are you that heartless? What did Jesus teach you about compassion

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Healthcare is a right!!!!!

liberal343 on August 18, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Yeah!!!! Up with monkey slushies and finger pistols. Down with pickle steps or trucker flaps!!!

Weight of Glory on August 18, 2009 at 10:18 PM

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