Drudge: Democrats ready to go it alone on ObamaCare? Update: NYT link added

posted at 9:22 pm on August 18, 2009 by Allahpundit

A teaser for an NYT bombshell due out later. Normally I wouldn’t post on it until the article’s up but this can only mean that they’re going to go all out for the public option and use “reconciliation” if need be to nuke the filibuster in the Senate, no? Why cut the GOP out of negotiations only to settle for some watered-down alternative like co-ops? If you’re going to kick the minority party out of the room and anger half the country, you might as well make the bill as syrupy sweet to your own side as possible. And if that means having to take a precedent-setting step as draconian as reconciliation to deal with Blue Dogs like Ben Nelson who might not accept a public option, hey. Besides, Grassley and Jon Kyl all but told the Democrats today that they won’t vote for the final bill regardless of what’s in it, in which case it’s pointless for The One to keep making concessions. He might as well get the bill he wants, paint the GOP as “the party of no”, and hope that the inevitable ill effects of his program don’t appear before the midterms. Which they probably won’t.

While we wait for the Times piece, a few fun data points from the new NBC poll out tonight. Note the numbers on question 15. The One’s really rolling the dice here.

Update: Here’s the NYT piece. Nothing concrete.

[S]uch a change could alter the dynamic of talks surrounding health care legislation, and even change the substance of a final bill. With no need to negotiate with Republicans, Democrats might be better able to move more quickly, relying on their large majorities in both houses. Democratic senators might feel more empowered, for example, to define the authority of the nonprofit insurance cooperatives that are emerging as an alternative to a public insurance plan…

Administration officials, who maintain that Republicans are badly mischaracterizing the legislation that has emerged from three House committees and the Senate health committee, said they had hoped to achieve some level of bipartisan support. But they are becoming increasingly convinced that they will instead have to navigate the complicated politics among varying Democratic factions.

The officials said the White House hoped to make the case to the American people that it was Republicans who had abandoned the effort at bipartisanship. Republicans countered by saying that they simply opposed the legislation and that the public outcry had validated their view and solidified their opposition.

One senior administration official said the sense within the White House was that Republicans, in an effort to undermine President Obama and Congressional Democrats, had made a political calculation to oppose any health care legislation.

Thus did a party that no longer has enough Senate seats to pull a filibuster somehow become an obstructionist, utopia-destroying leviathan. Belated exit question: Is this all just a ruse by The One to put pressure on the Blue Dogs to accept a public option? Symbolically kicking the GOP out of the negotiations leaves the media free to focus on conservative Democrats as the true stumbling block to universal health care. Ironically, the “go it alone” move may be aimed more at his own side than at the GOP.


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Bombshell is right, the fight will be epic.

Lets hope it gets televised, rather than backroom deals.

cozmo on August 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Dude.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Secession.

Khorum on August 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM

LOL. Just like they did it alone on Porkulus. How did that work out?

Mark1971 on August 18, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Two words: political suicide

Dee2008 on August 18, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Jon Kyl

Like I’ve always said

(to use BHO’s oft-used quote),
Arizona sent the wrong senator to the presidential campaign.

itsnotaboutme on August 18, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Obamacare Martyr’s Brigade: Recruiting NOW–get on board to pass the most historic legislation since the New Deal. All US Democratic Congressmen and women are encouraged to apply.

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:27 PM

The bill will never get to the floor, because Republicans will bring the Senate to a halt by withholding unanimous consent. People have no idea how difficult a single Senator can make things under parliamentary procedure.

Ed Morrissey on August 18, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Is this like when the sh!t hits the fan?

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 9:27 PM

I doubt they have the guts to pull this off. Must be a posturing move.

Bigbullets on August 18, 2009 at 9:27 PM

I agree, it will be through reconciliation, if for no other reason than the pure irony of it all. What has the power to irrevocably separate the people from their elected officials? Why, reconciliation silly.

Weight of Glory on August 18, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Secession.

Khorum on August 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Good luck with that.

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Congress and the President to the USA: Hey, Just wait till we get our hands on you!

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:28 PM

The bill will never get to the floor, because Republicans will bring the Senate to a halt by withholding unanimous consent. People have no idea how difficult a single Senator can make things under parliamentary procedure.

Ed Morrissey on August 18, 2009 at 9:27 PM

It’d be a great way for some cream to rise to the top, no?

Weight of Glory on August 18, 2009 at 9:29 PM

The bill will never get to the floor, because Republicans will bring the Senate to a halt by withholding unanimous consent. People have no idea how difficult a single Senator can make things under parliamentary procedure.

Ed Morrissey on August 18, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Surely you jest….

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Finally, someone in the white house has grown a pair. Regardless of which way you lean on this issue, its about time they stop pussyfooting and just freaking do it.

I mean DAMN! Democrats can’t run jack sh*t…only a democrat could make GOP control look desirable…

ernesto on August 18, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Mama always said:

Stupid is as stupid does.

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Bring it Liberals

And prepare to pay the price come 2010

Defector01 on August 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM

What’s even more depressing is that the Republicans are totally milking the current outrage, but they don’t seem to have any ideas or arguments against the current plan.

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM

This is truly foolish. If the Left thinks that Conservatives are going to accept this unconstitutional travesty and just go home and sulk they are gravely mistaken. There are entire Red state Congressional delegations that are opposed to this and there is no way in Hell they’re going to accept socialism imposed on them by coastal elitist Lefties. Expect a Constitutional showdown with at least one state.

I for one will not become an indentured servant to the zero liability voters via their proxy the federal government.

The Democrats are going to be wiped out next year and the strangely silent GOP better get off their butts and put a plan together to roll this back.

DerKrieger on August 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM

By the way, did you guys see that over 3000 protested in Houston over Cap and Trade? There was 1500 more than expected. If D.C. thinks now is a good time to act all oligarch-ish, I’d rethink it.

Weight of Glory on August 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Skeptical, sounds more like a balm to gin up the base so he has muscle going into the fall.

rob verdi on August 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Sure, Democrats are sooooooo organized and tough. They can’t organize a 3 car funeral. Just a bunch of selfish short sighted imperious pols looking out for themselves, and that includes the new “Demoncrat” Arlen Specter.

enoughalready on August 18, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Rahmbo to obama, “No sweat, neither one of us is up for reelection next year. We can always get new Dem congressmen.”

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Incendiary.

ICBM on August 18, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Never interrupt your enemy when he is in the midst of making a mistake.

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:31 PM

reconciliation is so much harder the people think, hell it would be easier to nuke the filibuster.

rob verdi on August 18, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Republicans will bring the Senate to a halt by withholding unanimous consent.

Yep. Meaning the 2010 Congressional races will be on healthchare and how “the Republicans took your healthcare away.”

Not a bad move; stirs up the liberal base (possibly) enough to offset any moderate losses.

SteveMG on August 18, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Epic overreach.

John the Libertarian on August 18, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Bombshell is right, the fight FAIL will be epic.

FTFY

Good Lt on August 18, 2009 at 9:32 PM

I dare them. They don’t have the votes.

The senate has blue dogs

The house has blue dogs

OBAMACARE IS DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!

battleoflepanto1571 on August 18, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t reconciliation only for budgetary issues? I would think creating the public option would require the full 60…?

doug1981 on August 18, 2009 at 9:33 PM

After Rand wins his senate seat, he will run for president.

Spathi on August 18, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Skeptical, sounds more like a balm to gin up the base so he has muscle going into the fall.

rob verdi on August 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM

I hope you’re right. It does seem strange that they started floating the idea of no public option, only to then turn around and go all reconciliation on us. It may be that they are trying to take up the news cycle with all this buzz buzz to try to get through August.

Weight of Glory on August 18, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Ed Morrissey on August 18, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Obstruction mania!

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 9:33 PM

The Won sure has some heavy lifting to do. He may strain a messianic hamstring or low back muscle or something.

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Two words: political suicide

Dee2008 on August 18, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Two words: election fraud

PrincipledPilgrim on August 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM

So the man who ran on restraining spending, post-partisanship, and a new tone is about to make his signature item an enormous new spending plan that he will ram through on a strict party line vote while calling all those who want to even discuss the issue NAZIs.

Good thing we didn’t get that Alaskan woman as VP, huh?

18-1 on August 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM

What is “unanimous consent?”

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM

The bill will never get to the floor, because Republicans will bring the Senate to a halt by withholding unanimous consent. People have no idea how difficult a single Senator can make things under parliamentary procedure.

Surely you jest….

Had my hopes up for a few seconds. Can the R’s really stop this?

Lightswitch on August 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Obstruction mania!

Constitutional democracy!!

SteveMG on August 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Incidentally, when I heard that Obama was having a huddle with Bill Clinton earlier tonight, I just knew that Bill was pushing the same point he made at his nutroots keynote speech: That Obama should damn the current political climate and just pass as progressive a bill as possible and that the his approval ratings will just “improve” by new years. I guess Obama listened.

Clinton was wrong.

Khorum on August 18, 2009 at 9:35 PM

This makes no sense – just two days ago the admin floats the no-public option balloon. Now they say they’re going it alone? WTF!!!! These people are truly insane/incompetent. This smacks of desperation to me – kind of like someone that threatens to smack you over and over but never does.

volnation on August 18, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Bring it you SOB’s.

Americans have not yet begun to fight and we are stronger and more powerful than you will ever be.

Oh and GOP – I better see you fighting dirty, fighting mean and fighting hard. This is not the time to be civil – it’s time to fight for the country.

gophergirl on August 18, 2009 at 9:35 PM

I am very skeptical but I hope these idiots do it.

d1carter on August 18, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Good luck with that.

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Reminds me of one of Glenn Beck’s stage appearances. During a pause someone yelled out “revolution!”, and Glenn said, “yeah, I remember my first beer too.”

kc8ukw on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

PrincipledPilgrim on August 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Two words: civil war.

What is the alternative if this is passed and we are unable to get enough votes to get rid of it? We can’t simply accept it as inevitable.

DerKrieger on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Rahmbo to obama, “No sweat, neither one of us is up for reelection next year. We can always get new Dem congressmen.”

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:31 PM

I’m sure that he can find a “czar” position or something for the 2010 dem losers.

farright on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

If the goal is to seek a second term, then you make amends.

If the goal is to destroy a country regardless of the fallout, you go for broke.

We will all get to see the stuff he is really make of, huh?

PrincipledPilgrim on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Bring it you SOB’s.

Americans have not yet begun to fight and we are stronger and more powerful than you will ever be.

Oh and GOP – I better see you fighting dirty, fighting mean and fighting hard. This is not the time to be civil – it’s time to fight for the country.

gophergirl on August 18, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Well hello Congresswoman Bachman!

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Could be a bluff to sway the blue dogs.

I.e., get in now or you’ll get rolled over.

SteveMG on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

dont underestimate republicans ability to drop the ball on this though. they can’t let anything get through and have to hold the dems to their words

andrewtf on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Two words: civil war.

What is the alternative if this is passed and we are unable to get enough votes to get rid of it? We can’t simply accept it as inevitable.

DerKrieger on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

And how do you propose having a civil war?

What Republican leaning districts versus Democrat leaning districts?

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 9:37 PM

He might as well get the bill he wants, paint the GOP as “the party of no”, and hope that the inevitable ill effects of his program don’t appear before the midterms. Which they probably won’t.

Wrong. What he has to hope for is that people will be made happy by it by 2010, and will come out to vote for supporters of it.

Which won’t happen. There will just be a lot of people really pissed at the “F you” their congressman gave them.

Greg Q on August 18, 2009 at 9:37 PM

The bill will never get to the floor, because Republicans will bring the Senate to a halt by withholding unanimous consent. People have no idea how difficult a single Senator can make things under parliamentary procedure.

Ed Morrissey on August 18, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Didn’t a senator just threaten to do this because they were going to put Gitmo prisoners in their state?

gophergirl on August 18, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Two words: civil war.

DerKrieger on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

I am afraid you might be right. He would love that. More power grabs.

PrincipledPilgrim on August 18, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Mere preeening by the democrats. They don’t have the guts.

SouthernGent on August 18, 2009 at 9:38 PM

You only get one bite of the apple.

tatersalad on August 18, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Well hello Congresswoman Bachman!

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

I wish – I’d love to run someday though – it’s always been my dream.

gophergirl on August 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM

I’m sure that he can find a “czar” position or something for the 2010 dem losers.

farright on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

dude, I totally think rahmbo is dealing out czarships like left and right. We’re going to have more former congressmen as “czar of parking lot inspectors” and “czarina of hand washing in the new US NHS”–Tom Daschle is going to be the Supreme Czar of this new layer of sycophants. Obama is handing out Golden Parachutes, just like the ones he once derided, as a way to buy the votes from these chogy boys.

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM

By the way, did you guys see that over 3000 protested in Houston over Cap and Trade? There was 1500 more than expected. If D.C. thinks now is a good time to act all oligarch-ish, I’d rethink it.

Weight of Glory on August 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM

You’re right about that. I was at Eric Cantor’s Campaign Advisory Committee meeting last night, sort of another name for his townhall. We’re a pretty red district, esp. with the Whip and all and we filled one big ballroom and had a CCTV setup in an overflow room. I bet 1200 people showed up for what was supposed to be a legislative update and a brief Q&A for Cantor.

The people are is awake and the donks had better be careful. I can’t believe that this issue is so big that a majority of the donk caucus would fall on their sword and risk political suicide by supporting the nuclear option. I guess the donk party really is full of ideologues because if they try to cram this down our throat, they will be very sorry indeed.

TheAdmiral on August 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM

The dems. are more afraid of deadfish emmanuel than their voters.They figure we will forget by 2010 and 2012:)

ohiobabe on August 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM

The bill will never get to the floor, because Republicans will bring the Senate to a halt by withholding unanimous consent. People have no idea how difficult a single Senator can make things under parliamentary procedure.

Ed Morrissey on August 18, 2009 at 9:27 PM

It is inconceivable to me that the Democrats would really do this. Nevermind what happens on Capitol Hill, the roar from the public would be deafening. We sat back and let them ram through the Stimulus bill this way but not this time.

highhopes on August 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM

aha!! well you know Martin Feldstein (who TOTUS used as a ‘look everybody- conservative economists like me!’ pawn in the DEM primary, and who serves at TOTUS’ pleasure on one of his farcical BOARDS OF ECONOMIC ADVISERS (but who never have a meeting)..anyway he just threw TOTUS health plan unda da bus, cited the economics of why it IS rationing in the WSJ here

let the chips fall where they may…better to hear it now and let the public know that they ALL think like that loon Massa with his patronizing, even if its against their opinions, wishes and interests I will vote for it BS…

ginaswo on August 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM

I wish – I’d love to run someday though next year- it’s always been my dream.

gophergirl on August 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM

FIFY

go do good things young Jedi

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM

I hope it stings them hard in 2010, but honestly I wonder about the corruption of ACORN and The One’s influence which would make a mockery of our election process. Remember the Black Panthers in PA?

balkanmom2 on August 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Kay Bailey Hutchison as part of her Gubernatorial Cmpaign kickoff the other day promised she would filibuster the bill in the Senate if it had a public option. Looks like good timing that she ran now :)

ginaswo on August 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM

How does this help Michelle Obama’s children?

BlameAmericaLast on August 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM

TheAdmiral on August 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Next time, ask Cantor what he thinks about Gov’t funding for high-speed rail…

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Societal leech!

Patrick S on August 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM

I wish – I’d love to run someday though next year- it’s always been my dream.

gophergirl on August 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM

FIFY

go do good things young Jedi

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM

I’m in Ellison’s district – think I could beat him ;)

gophergirl on August 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Well they did win…

CrankyIndependent on August 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Secession.

Khorum on August 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM

We need to go medieval if they use reconciliation to pass this disgusting power grab.

And, vow to scrap it all once we get the House back.

Sapwolf on August 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Well they did win…

CrankyIndependent on August 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Is this where I’m suppose to yell “Spoil Systems-ist!” ?

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 9:42 PM

I’ve seen a number of references to ‘reconciliation’ in the past few months, and understand that it means that only a simple majority of 50 votes would then be needed in Senate to pass a bill. But what I can’t understand is under what circumstances ‘reconciliation’ can be used to ram an unpopular bill through. Would somebody please explain this to me? Thanks in advance!

ProfessorMiao on August 18, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Go to page 6 of the poll pdf…this result was even with an over-sample of Democrats. Top of page 6, “F2″.

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Could be a bluff to sway the blue dogs.

I.e., get in now or you’ll get rolled over.

SteveMG on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

But that discounts the fact that any bluedog that votes for this doesn’t have a career post 2010.

highhopes on August 18, 2009 at 9:42 PM

The aim of Marxists is to draw the other side to (near or actual) violence, so they can quell the insurrection and be seen as restoring order.

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Prepare the camps.

/not saying Obama is a Marxist or anything

faraway on August 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Remember the Black Panthers in PA?

balkanmom2 on August 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Obama has another bloc of untapped voters… Troubling thing is that, they’re currently in prison—however, one would expect a shiite load of pardons on Oct 31, 2012 with a “get outta da clink” free card and a voter registration card handed out at the front gate, yo.

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM

If they strong-arm this monster through the Congress and don’t get a single Republican vote, you can say goodbye to the American political center. The one thing that Obama and Emannuel are validating is radicalism itself, because they will have utterly destroyed any ability of any party to compromise on anything. The two ends of the political spectrum are so far apart on the fundamental ideas of what America is, that they don’t even speak the same language or share a common experience. The primary beneficiaries are going to be Ron Paul and Ralph Nader.
From this point forward it’s going to be completely pointless to talk about legislation or regulation, now we have to start thinking about Constitutional amendments. Perhaps even a complete overhaul or an entirely new Bill of Rights.

Lew on August 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM

And, vow to scrap it all once we get the House back.

Sapwolf on August 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Can’t happen, it’s like putting toothpaste back in the tube…once it happens, it’s over and they know it.

tatersalad on August 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Seriously though this is fantastic, if only because so many of you guys are crapping your pants.

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Two words: civil war.

DerKrieger on August 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Two words:

World War.

Kenya won’t stand by and watch their own citizen fall.

battleoflepanto1571 on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

POPCORN!!! GET YOUR POPCORN HERE!!!

ICE COLD DRINKS TOO!!!

FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

doug 1981, I think they can use reconciliation if it is deficit neutral, thus the importance of the CBO through all this…

ginaswo on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Our party could turn the tables on Democrats who accuse Republicans of being the ‘Party of NO!’.
Being a member of the ‘Party of No!’ should be worn as a badge of honor.

These are some of this administration’s policies we say NO! to:

No to: Massive spending bills passed without debate, or even being read.
No to: Zero transparency or accountability on how the money is being spent.
No to: A huge expansion of nanny government without the consent of the governed.
No to: Our form of government being changed at warp speed into Socialism.
No to: The idiocy of not using American resources to meet America’s energy needs.
No to: A Cap and Trade bill that will lower the standard of living of every American by onerous
taxes. (Except the opportunists who fabricated the scam and are now set
to reap billions from it)
No to: The destruction of our health system.
No to: Explosion of the national debt.
No to: Nationalization of private companies
No to: The destruction of wealth and redistribution of what’s left.
No to: Policies which have resulted in an unemployment rate that hasn’t topped out yet.
No to: The bailouts – banks, AIG, automakers, etc.

Republicans must be the ‘PARTY OF NO’ to stop the obscene power grab by this out of control government
or we will witness the end of the most successful form of government the world has ever known. It will
be replaced by a form of government in which power is restricted to a few. That is known as an oligarchy.

The simple phrase, the ‘Party of NO!’ should resonate with Republicans, Independents, and even some
Democrats who didn’t realize what Obama meant by ‘change.’

I am proud to be a member of the ‘Party of No.’

reshas1 on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Well they did win…

CrankyIndependent on August 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM

They won the chance to lead. This is more like a coup where a junta installs a dictator and proceeds dismantling government.

highhopes on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

battleoflepanto1571 on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Alright, that’s a LOL.

FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

I’d really prefer the Dems go it alone on this one.

[Note to RNC, pull any and all funding or support to any GOPer who votes along with the Dems on this. Permanently]

But, yes, let them go it alone…for no other reason than to demonstrate that the Dems are not at all united on this issue, are hypocrites to the nth degree, really want government to solve all problems, regardless, have no confidence at all in the real power of the American people to innovate and solve innumerable problems for themselves, and will eat their own among the various factions (progressives, centrists and dumb and even dumber) in order to get their own special interests covered in the bill.

Let them.

Then, as next Spring and Summer arrive, play and replay the video as part of a general anti-Dem pro-America campaign.

2010 should be interesting.

coldwarrior on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

My favorite from the poll:

From which ONE of the following television news sources do you get the MOST of your information about the health care debate? If you do not watch any of these, please say so.

-Broadcast network news……..40
-CNN………………………17
-MSNBC……………………..7
-Fox News………………….23
-None……………………..11
-Not sure…………………..2

Joe Caps on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

The bill will never get to the floor, because Republicans will bring the Senate to a halt by withholding unanimous consent. People have no idea how difficult a single Senator can make things under parliamentary procedure.

Ed Morrissey on August 18, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Ed, I’ll risk looking a little dumb here, but would you elaborate?

jonrademacher on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

I’m in Ellison’s district – think I could beat him ;)

gophergirl on August 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM

why yes. Setup a website, get some coin rolling, count me in for a little $$ and call you a winna, yo.

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Well they did win…

CrankyIndependent on August 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Bush 2004 wins 51% of the vote…”bitterly divided nation”

O’bama 2008 wins 52% of the vote…“MANDATE”

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Seriously though this is fantastic, if only because so many of you guys are crapping your pants.

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Sorry, I forgot to invite you over tonight to “do laundry.”

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Seriously though this is fantastic, if only because so many of you guys are crapping your pants.

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM

crapping?

dude, this is the BEST OPTION.

it forces anger at the dems

the majority of this country does NOT WANT OBAMACARE

forcing it through like this will lead to riots in the streets and a solid red congress in 2010 and president Sarah Palin in 2012

i LOVE this. i was afraid the bill would just wither away… this way folks can see how conniving the dems are.

*The republicans fail when they dont practice their beliefs

The democrats fail when they DO enact their beliefs

battleoflepanto1571 on August 18, 2009 at 9:45 PM

We hear praise of a power-wielding, arm-twisting President who “gets his program through Congress” by knowing the use of power. Throughout the course of history, there have been many other such wielders of power. There have even been dictators who regularly held plebiscites, in which their dictatorships were approved by an Ivory-soap-like percentage of the electorate. But their countries were not free, nor can any country remain free under such despotic power. Some of the current worship of powerful executives may come from those who admire strength and accomplishment of any sort. Others hail the display of Presidential strength simply because they approve of the result reached by the use of power. This is nothing less than the totalitarian philosophy that the end justifies the means If ever there was a philosophy of government totally at war with that of the Founding Fathers, it is this one.
- Barry Goldwater

MB4 on August 18, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Two words: election fraud

PrincipledPilgrim on August 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM

You can take that to the bank with the WH taking control of the Census.

thomasaur on August 18, 2009 at 9:45 PM

POPCORN!!! GET YOUR POPCORN HERE!!!

ICE COLD DRINKS TOO!!!

FontanaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Got some wieners for Bawney?

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Seriously though this is fantastic, if only because so many of you guys are crapping your pants.

crr6 on August 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Why should we be crapping our pants? It is the Dems that are between a rock and a hard place, not conservatives.

terryannonline on August 18, 2009 at 9:46 PM

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