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Dr. Howard Dean is a sh**head.

And by that, I mean that he has a head, and that it is filled with fecal matter.

JohnGalt23 on August 18, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Bahahahahahahahahahahaha! Thanks for clearing that up dude.

There is NOTHING there but a government power grab and we aknow it. So they can change the message every day if they want to it is not going to get them any support from us!

As the lady said “THEY HAVE AWAKENED A SLEEPING GIANT” And he is hungry, and cranky and does not want to hear crap from anyone or he will SQUASH them!

I find this very disturbing… goes along with calling opponents in commie regimes “crazy”. I hope he doesn’t get away with this. I’d love to see Fox do some major coverage over this.

-Aslan’s Girl

I assure you, Portlasshole, if I were a defender of Eugenics, I would insist on idiots like you being relegated to the abortionist.

But as I am a pro-life progressive, I defend your right to be a moron.

Moron.

bschmalfeldt on August 18, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Hey Allah, this guy is veering into rosell19 territory. You remember him, right? Legendary Usenet political troll from Middle Dakota?

you’re an idiot who has suffered brain damage from huffing Limbaugh’s butt fumes.

bschmalfeldt on August 18, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Hateful. Pointless. Bannable.

I am still waiting for some democrat to actually explain to me how a government run insurance option.
1. Decreases costs

Afrolib answers:

It will decrease health care cost for all Americans because the government run option wont be all bent on profiting off sick people.

I ask Afrolib:

If true, your statement must be supported by some evidence, somewhere.

Provide same, either using empirical evidence (show us where it has happened in the past, anywhere,) OR by a study, by a source generally accepted to be reputable.

Include in your response, the following:
A. Who funded the study?
B. Whether it was commisioned by a group or individual with a vested interest in a particular outcome.

When you are unable to do this, it should show you that no such evidence (historical or study-based) exists.

This is because, the idea that the public option will reduce cost is based on the hope that it will do so, without any real evidence.

If you want to take something this momentus on faith, fine; just don’t use my money to test your unproven theory on my family.

you’re an idiot who has suffered brain damage from huffing Limbaugh’s butt fumes.

bschmalfeldt on August 18, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Moderators?

bschmalfeldt on August 18, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Back for more?

Tell us again how O’bama’s winning 70% of the high school dropout vote (and 73% of the vote of those who never attended high school) is unimportant, while his beating McCain by less then the margin of error in the college graudate vote is “important”.

(Laughter)

While I appreciate your efforts, your arguments are not convincing.

1. I thought businesses were in business to make a profit. Did that become evil or wrong at some point? Do you know of anyone who works for free? Provides services for free? Other than backroom deals made by the most transparent administration in history you still haven’t explained how it would be cheaper. Will drugs become cheaper? X-rays? CAT scans? The only difference will be another level of paid beaurocrats in the equation. How does adding their salaries to the mix equate to lower costs? And remember,these are not health care professionals we are talking about. They will be the typically inefficent low level functionaries the government generally employs. Go visit a VA hospital if you’ve got the stomach for it and you’ll see what I mean. (I am a vet of the US Navy and I’ve had to visit such institutions.)

2. How can private insurance companies survive against a competitor that can operate at a loss? The private insurers need to make money in order to survive. A public option will be subsidized by tax payer dollars, no matter how poor they are at providing services. Take a look at medicare and tell me how it would still exist if it were a private entity. Same with the post office which our president used as an example of how a public option would work. You need to actually explain how this will happen without meaningless handwaving. Give me one example in history where this type of public versus private competition actually made the private option stonger. What it does instead is make it disappear. Barney Frank and Weiner make no illusions that this the end goal of this idiotic proposal. A trojan horse is what Frank refers to it as. A trick, a ploy, a dishonest act to get rid of the private health insurance industry through lies.
3. I still don’t know how what you said can increase services. Pelosi said the same thing without any kind of proof. Again, show how a government takeover of an industry actually made it better. What services which are now denied now will become available with socialized medicine? Not denying coverage does not explain how service will be increased. I have great insurance right now, and I’ve never been denied anything service that I though was necessary. Never. Not even once. Its just another obstacle that a private company cannot overcome. Are you going to mandate that car insurance companies provide the same services for the same price regardless of a persons driving history? Should a person with a spotless driving record, who has taken defensive driver courses pay the same premiums as a multiple drunk driver with a vehicular manslaughter charge? As unfortunate as it is, a person with a chronic disease will cost a lot more to insure than a healthy non-smoker, such as myself. A private insurance company will go bankrupt if they didn’t charge greatly different premiums to these individuals. A public one can just draw on more and more of our tax dollars. Well, at least mine. I don’t know what Afrolib does for a living.
4. The private healthcare industry in the US is the leading source of new medications and surgical procedures in human history. This is the reason why citizens of Canada, Britian and the rest of the world come here for medical procedures they can’t get anywhere else. If the private sector is forced to try and compete with a tax supported system the money used to make these breakthroughs will evapoate. The end result will the that the forward progress of medicine worldwide will come screeching to a halt. Cures will be fewer and farther between with socialized medicine.

Please come back with some real examples of how socialized medicine ever made things better for the population it was imposed upon. There are isolated examples out there of people who got better in a socialized medical system, but they are far, far outnumbered by stories of people denied the lifesaving care and medications they needed by an uncaring government run plan. Please take a look at the cancer survival rates between the US and Great Britian as a starting point.

If you have something to teach me, then please do. Empty talking points without any real world examples to back them up are not desired.

Dr.Gills

Oops! Nevermind!

Obambi did get elected after all.

David2.0 on August 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM.
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Yep…Obama was the BEST they could do.
Oh Jesus, Mary, and Barry!!

Oops! Nevermind!

Obambi did get elected after all.

I assure you, Portlasshole, if I were a defender of Eugenics, I would insist on idiots like you being relegated to the abortionist.

What pro-lifer wishes death by abortion on ANYONE save the most genocidal tyrants? Only liberal pro-lifers, I guess.

You can’t even reason with them. It’s like they suffer an eternal brain fart…and don’t even recognize they’re farting.

WEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!