Dean: Republicans want to “kill the bill and kill the president”
posted at 6:00 pm on August 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
How to turn a poor choice of words into a smear in five seconds:
The Republicans, they have no interest in this Bill. They’re using the 1994 playbook. Let’s kill the bill and kill the president — or, kill the president’s term. Although there are sort of angry people out there I get very nervous about this stuff. I don’t like it at all.
He means “kill the president” in the way DeMint meant his “Waterloo” comment, I think — i.e. that failure here will cripple The One politically. He wouldn’t have corrected himself so quickly if he hadn’t: When Dean-o wants to go for the throat, he doesn’t hold back. But then … why the segue about nuts who really do mean harm to Obama? I guess this is the next phase in the left’s strategy to demonize Republican opposition to The One: Now, not only is it racist to be angry about his programs, it’s downright threatening. Coming soon to MSNBC primetime. Click the image to watch.
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Let me get this straight…………
……… Rahm Emanuel wants Howard Dean to kill Obama?
Seven Percent Solution on August 18, 2009 at 6:58 PM
I don’t know about them being powerless. I just think they have no idea how to use the power they have. Too bad for Mrs. Oblahblah (if you know what I mean).
So, what would a conversation between Mr. Tool and Biden look like? Can you begin to imagine the confusion?
Yellowdog12 on August 18, 2009 at 6:58 PM
This is all part of the open and honest debate Democrats natter on about constantly. You see – liberals really do want an honest and open debate but it just so happens that anyone who disagrees with them is a shill, an evil rich capitalist, a nazi or a terrorist. What do you expect them to do when they are surrounded by evil and their cause is so righteous?
/sarc
Al’Quada kills 3000+ Americans and Democrats want to ponder how American foreign policy created this scenario and whether or not we brought it upon ourselves. Disagree with them on ‘health
careinsurance’ reform and your a dangerous and potentially violent racist evil-monger.gwelf on August 18, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Obama wants to kill old people.
This is a fun game.
jhffmn on August 18, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Ever notice it’s all about money for the lefties?
“But…but…if you have universal health care, it will be FREE! And those evil corporations are always MAKING MONEY!”
Conservatives’ legacy is sacred honor, principles, and love of liberty.
Theirs is to whine about who’s got more money than them…and it’s just NOT FAIR.
Pathetic way to experience life, is it not?
Grace_is_sufficient on August 18, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Oh my GOD, if it wasn’t scary, it’d be funny.. THEY HAVE GONE OFF THE DEEP END!!!
reshas1 on August 18, 2009 at 7:02 PM
WOW! Two levels of Democrat nastiness in one tiny post!
Use of the word “stupid” referencing others – elitism.
Use of the word “owners” referencing another human being – plantation slave-owning culture of Democrat past history.
Yet, they have the temerity to call us evil, greedy, mean, and nasty. I think he has “entitlement” delusions.
ExpressoBold on August 18, 2009 at 7:03 PM
1. Instead, it will be “all bent” on profiting off of those deemed politically expendable. And, to be blunt, I think your apparent optimism that bureaucracy and corruption will not pervade the “public option”, bloating the costs, is rather naive.
2. If it’s really about “competition” and the government option would be that efficient, I could probably go for that. Note that “competition” means NO tax dollars can be used to help the program, either for administration or benefits… it has to sustain itself on premiums, just like the private companies do. And the federal government option also has to be subject to all the same regulations as private options are.
3. That doesn’t increase services. At best, it just shifts around who receives services. Increasing services would require an increase in the number of service providers.
4. Fine… but then the federal government cannot dictate the cost of that medicine, per #2.
malclave on August 18, 2009 at 7:09 PM
The same people who haven’t figured out the party that wants more control of the economy is corrupt?
Nothing gets past those guys.
jhffmn on August 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM
And this from a man who almost became President?
Thank heaven for small miracles.
coldwarrior on August 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Socialists can’t abide opposition. Anyone doubt they would outlaw us if they could?
ronsfi on August 18, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Seriously, what kind of a nut case goes around using that type of language?
Can’t the leftist’s keep things civil for once?
Chainsaw56 on August 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Yes, it’s threatening. We have no right to get angry about whatever they want to do to us. After all, it’s their country, not the people’s.
Alana on August 18, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Blimey. Dr Dean needs to go easy on the hormone replacement therapy.
Fortunata on August 18, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Lefties, there is no need for concern.
Sarah will explain exactly what Dean said on her FaceBook page. Afterword, Dean can apologize for saying something he never said.
ConservativeTony on August 18, 2009 at 7:16 PM
On my way to work this morning I heard a figure, from NPR news no less, about how much we lose to fraud in Medicare each year. We lost several hundreds of billions of dollars each year. I can’t even imagine how much will be wasted if the government applies the same basic model to 15% of the economy.
gwelf on August 18, 2009 at 7:18 PM
SPEW – WORTHY !!!!! Automatic winner!
ExpressoBold on August 18, 2009 at 7:19 PM
They wanted power in the worst way. They got it.
Mr. D on August 18, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Me thinks Dean came out of the closet to lobby for his spot on the “Death Panel”. He will use age, disease, and party affiliation to reach a “purely scientific” decision.
This woman needs the “pain killer” HAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHH
M-14 2go on August 18, 2009 at 7:20 PM
He misspoke. It’s pretty common these days.
ted c on August 18, 2009 at 7:20 PM
What an awful human being. They know they are lying and actually creating more tension…purposefully. With these people in charge, seriously, who has time to worry about the enemies abroad?
Mommypundit on August 18, 2009 at 7:22 PM
And they are going insane as they see it slipping through their fingers. Their echo chamber allowed them to convince themselves that America is far left of center and reality is slapping them in the face. They still can’t convince themselves it’s not and they are grasping at straws to explain why America isn’t buying the great socialist cause even when the ‘best orator since Abraham Lincoln’ is selling it.
gwelf on August 18, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Monumental stupidity.
How did Dean get out of his straight-jacket anyhoo? Criss Angel is a piker; this blowhole is the real Mindfreak.
hillbillyjim on August 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Perhaps but his immediate clarification leaves some serious doubt on that part. This same specter was groundlessly raised during the presidential election and fits very nicely with the themes of opponents being nazi’s, terrorist and evil-mongers. Think about this – the LEADERS of the Democrat party are saying these things – not just the hippies and union thugs.
gwelf on August 18, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Imploding one’s own career by yelling “YEE-HAW!” in Iowa is seemingly the point of no return for ever being a consequential human being, whether or not one was consequential to begin with.
PoodleSkirt on August 18, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Afrolib on August 18, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Affy baby, your number 3 wipes out any hope for your number 1.
Meremortal on August 18, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Maybe Dean is projecting onto us.
Perhaps he wants Obama shot. Having Obama become some sort of hopey changey martyr would probably be better for him than watching his party destroyed by Obambi’s inadequacy.
jhffmn on August 18, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Liberals are constantly slipping and saying what they really think, and then scrambling to put the mask back in place. Nothing new here.
Meremortal on August 18, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Dean is a blithering idiot and has completely lost it.
rplat on August 18, 2009 at 7:39 PM
agreed–a little nefarious plot by some lunatic would fit right into their story line. Maybe these types of signals are purposeful into drawing out a lunatic so he/she could be scapegoated and fulfill their self-fulfilling prophecy.
ted c on August 18, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Poor BS mal feld T. Nap time already?
The “Death Panel” torpedo that sunk Barry’s hopes of Eugenic Uptopia is most certainly true. Mark Steyn goes even further by saying that pulling the plug onGranny might not even get to the death panels because she’d never have been plugged in in the first place.
Why do you defend Eugenics BSfeldt?
portlandon on August 18, 2009 at 7:44 PM
I finally figured out the reason why democrats sincerely think republicans all want Obama to be killed.
The left wanted George Bush to be killed. Some of them wrote plays about it, made short films about it, and dreamed about going back in time and doing him in when he was an infant. So they are projecting on republicans based on their own self experience.
But this goes way beyond mere projecting. The heart of the issue is this: they don’t understand the concept of loyal opposition. They were (caviat, not all of them) a very disloyal opposition. So they expect republicans to also be disloyal opposition in return. They can’t grasp the concept that we want to defeat Obama on the merits of our arguments and on the political playing field but that we do not in any way want for physical harm to come to him. As a matter of honor and out of respect for the office of president, and because of our respect for human life and our love of this country we don’t want Obama to be felled by an assasin or even by accident. We want to win, but with honor. The left does not understand the concept so they believe the things that are true of themselves, and were certainly true of them during the last administration, must also be true of us.
t.ferg on August 18, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Howard Dean, it’s not this bill or nothing. Get that through your thick skull. There are reforms that could be made, but that doesn’t mean we need to pass this bill that results in a total government take over of the health care system.
Log on August 18, 2009 at 7:53 PM
excellent rebuttal and analysis t.ferg
ted c on August 18, 2009 at 7:59 PM
While i disagree with your point of view, i still appreciate the thoughts put into your rebuttal.
Afrolib on August 18, 2009 at 8:03 PM
“Doctors” like Dean support the plan for the obvious reason that a government run system would be the only way for him to get patients. No one would see this lunatic voluntarily, which is probably why he left his practice and went into politics.
celtnik on August 18, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Dr. Howard Dean is a sh**head.
And by that, I mean that he has a head, and that it is filled with fecal matter.
JohnGalt23 on August 18, 2009 at 8:15 PM
AAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! is all I think of when I hear or see this man.
right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Guys like you put a lot of pressure on posters like me…the bar is being raised.
right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Welcome to the new drive toward starting a race war…as a distraction away from his socialist policies.
Oh, and according to that idiotic left wing Columbia University “professor” that shows up on O’Reilly’s show as he just did, simply saying that obama is socialist is a racist act.
I’m not even going to bother to try to correct these scumbag left wingers, no point in it, but if the left want to make this a race war I guarantee they’ll regret it and everyone all down history will remember that the left will own responsibility for every single dead body as a result.
I hope the left are ready to assume the same mantle as the nazi party in germany, having been outlawed because their racist policy and action lead to many deaths (genocide).
As a distraction from policy. Isn’t that just adorable? These are real mental giants we’re talking about here ain’t it?
Spiritk9 on August 18, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Haven’t read the other posts. Seems to me the lefties are getting desperate and looking to get rid of the Bamster and blame Conservatives.
red131 on August 18, 2009 at 8:42 PM
You don’t like what???? People voicing there minds and doing what OUR constitutions says they can? It seems that it is ok for the LEFT but not the Right (small letters as we on th Right are much more polite), lets see, ok for thee but not for me, is that it?
foxone on August 18, 2009 at 8:42 PM
10 to 1 this idiot is writing his own prescriptions. I love Dave Chappelle’s skit on him…Beyaaah. It seems to suit him.
Sam_I_Am on August 18, 2009 at 8:43 PM
Why do you defend Eugenics BSfeldt?
portlandon on August 18, 2009 at 7:44 PM
I assure you, Portlasshole, if I were a defender of Eugenics, I would insist on idiots like you being relegated to the abortionist.
But as I am a pro-life progressive, I defend your right to be a moron.
Moron.
bschmalfeldt on August 18, 2009 at 8:48 PM
WOW! Two levels of Democrat nastiness in one tiny post!
Use of the word “stupid” referencing others – elitism.
The use of the word “stupid” referencing “stupidity.” Accurate.
Use of the word “owners” referencing another human being – plantation slave-owning culture of Democrat past history.
Use of the word “owner” to define one who is bought and paid for by an industry or philosphy? Accurate.
Yet, they have the temerity to call us evil, greedy, mean, and nasty. I think he has “entitlement” delusions.
ExpressoBold on August 18, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Or… you’re an idiot who has suffered brain damage from huffing Limbaugh’s butt fumes.
I prefer to think the latter.
bschmalfeldt on August 18, 2009 at 8:53 PM
What was his brain like before the brain surgery work?
ExpressoBold on August 18, 2009 at 9:03 PM
It is clear you have nothing substantial to add to the discussion. A cursory examination of the details in OchimpyCare reveals that death panels and other policies based on eliminating the least productive members of our society is the lynch pin in Ochimpy’s plan to cut costs.
The people who are for OchimpyCare are simply the same old group of freeloaders that the dems have courted for the last 30 years. They want to force the productive to subsidize the those who refuse to be self sufficient. The beauty of this is that the same ignorant fools who are getting free health care while they are young, will be sitting in front of death panels by the time they are 65.
csdeven on August 18, 2009 at 9:05 PM
I have yet to see any evidence that you think at all, your preferences notwithstanding.
malclave on August 18, 2009 at 9:05 PM
I don’t need to say more than this.
g8trman307 on August 18, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Dean needs a brain MRI, STAT.
MB4 on August 18, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Only if they can pin it on Sarah Palin.
MB4 on August 18, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Oh, look. Another leftie KosKid come to play with the adults. You might want to get your updated talking points. Rush is no longer the leader of the Republican Party. That is Sarah Palin. Do try to keep up.
Wolftech on August 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Pro-Life Progressive? Isn’t that an oxymoron?
Wolftech on August 18, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Howard Dean excels at meltdown:
EconomicNeocon on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM
This seems like the kind of thread we see on slow news days, or is it “time to walk the trolls”?
mad scientist on August 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM
What pro-lifer wishes death by abortion on ANYONE save the most genocidal tyrants? Only liberal pro-lifers, I guess.
You can’t even reason with them. It’s like they suffer an eternal brain fart…and don’t even recognize they’re farting.
Grace_is_sufficient on August 18, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Can you believe this A-hole was the front-runner for President once upon a time?
Oops! Nevermind!
Obambi did get elected after all.
David2.0 on August 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM
I wouldn’t let this guy stick his finger up my a$$.
Dr. ZhivBlago on August 18, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Can you believe this A-hole was the front-runner for President once upon a time?
Oops! Nevermind!
Obambi did get elected after all.
David2.0 on August 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM.
.
Yep…Obama was the BEST they could do.
Oh Jesus, Mary, and Barry!!
dont taze me bro on August 18, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Afrolib,
While I appreciate your efforts, your arguments are not convincing.
1. I thought businesses were in business to make a profit. Did that become evil or wrong at some point? Do you know of anyone who works for free? Provides services for free? Other than backroom deals made by the most transparent administration in history you still haven’t explained how it would be cheaper. Will drugs become cheaper? X-rays? CAT scans? The only difference will be another level of paid beaurocrats in the equation. How does adding their salaries to the mix equate to lower costs? And remember,these are not health care professionals we are talking about. They will be the typically inefficent low level functionaries the government generally employs. Go visit a VA hospital if you’ve got the stomach for it and you’ll see what I mean. (I am a vet of the US Navy and I’ve had to visit such institutions.)
2. How can private insurance companies survive against a competitor that can operate at a loss? The private insurers need to make money in order to survive. A public option will be subsidized by tax payer dollars, no matter how poor they are at providing services. Take a look at medicare and tell me how it would still exist if it were a private entity. Same with the post office which our president used as an example of how a public option would work. You need to actually explain how this will happen without meaningless handwaving. Give me one example in history where this type of public versus private competition actually made the private option stonger. What it does instead is make it disappear. Barney Frank and Weiner make no illusions that this the end goal of this idiotic proposal. A trojan horse is what Frank refers to it as. A trick, a ploy, a dishonest act to get rid of the private health insurance industry through lies.
3. I still don’t know how what you said can increase services. Pelosi said the same thing without any kind of proof. Again, show how a government takeover of an industry actually made it better. What services which are now denied now will become available with socialized medicine? Not denying coverage does not explain how service will be increased. I have great insurance right now, and I’ve never been denied anything service that I though was necessary. Never. Not even once. Its just another obstacle that a private company cannot overcome. Are you going to mandate that car insurance companies provide the same services for the same price regardless of a persons driving history? Should a person with a spotless driving record, who has taken defensive driver courses pay the same premiums as a multiple drunk driver with a vehicular manslaughter charge? As unfortunate as it is, a person with a chronic disease will cost a lot more to insure than a healthy non-smoker, such as myself. A private insurance company will go bankrupt if they didn’t charge greatly different premiums to these individuals. A public one can just draw on more and more of our tax dollars. Well, at least mine. I don’t know what Afrolib does for a living.
4. The private healthcare industry in the US is the leading source of new medications and surgical procedures in human history. This is the reason why citizens of Canada, Britian and the rest of the world come here for medical procedures they can’t get anywhere else. If the private sector is forced to try and compete with a tax supported system the money used to make these breakthroughs will evapoate. The end result will the that the forward progress of medicine worldwide will come screeching to a halt. Cures will be fewer and farther between with socialized medicine.
Please come back with some real examples of how socialized medicine ever made things better for the population it was imposed upon. There are isolated examples out there of people who got better in a socialized medical system, but they are far, far outnumbered by stories of people denied the lifesaving care and medications they needed by an uncaring government run plan. Please take a look at the cancer survival rates between the US and Great Britian as a starting point.
If you have something to teach me, then please do. Empty talking points without any real world examples to back them up are not desired.
Dr.Gills
Dr.Gills on August 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Back for more?
Tell us again how O’bama’s winning 70% of the high school dropout vote (and 73% of the vote of those who never attended high school) is unimportant, while his beating McCain by less then the margin of error in the college graudate vote is “important”.
(Laughter)
Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Moderators?
Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Dr. Gillis asks:
Afrolib answers:
I ask Afrolib:
If true, your statement must be supported by some evidence, somewhere.
Provide same, either using empirical evidence (show us where it has happened in the past, anywhere,) OR by a study, by a source generally accepted to be reputable.
Include in your response, the following:
A. Who funded the study?
B. Whether it was commisioned by a group or individual with a vested interest in a particular outcome.
When you are unable to do this, it should show you that no such evidence (historical or study-based) exists.
This is because, the idea that the public option will reduce cost is based on the hope that it will do so, without any real evidence.
If you want to take something this momentus on faith, fine; just don’t use my money to test your unproven theory on my family.
massrighty on August 19, 2009 at 12:42 AM
Hateful. Pointless. Bannable.
massrighty on August 19, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Hey Allah, this guy is veering into rosell19 territory. You remember him, right? Legendary Usenet political troll from Middle Dakota?
Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Howard Dean is irrelevant. He no longer has a place at the table. MTP trotted him out because they knew he’d say something off the wall. He’s simply one of those people that don’t have that little “stop” switch in their brain that prevents truly stupid things from leaking out of their mouths.
n0doz on August 19, 2009 at 2:10 AM
Ratcheting up the rhetoric… it isn’t enough anymore to scream “raaaaacist”, it will be “muuuuuurder” now.
I find this very disturbing… goes along with calling opponents in commie regimes “crazy”. I hope he doesn’t get away with this. I’d love to see Fox do some major coverage over this.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on August 19, 2009 at 7:35 AM
Take your meds Mr. Dean.
elderberry on August 19, 2009 at 8:23 AM
Dean and Al Gore are identical. We never have to question their intent because that is obvious. What we do need to question is their sanity. These two (2) loons have removed all doubt liberalism is a progressive mental disorder and they are in the final stages.
volsense on August 19, 2009 at 8:43 AM
“First, they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you…and then you win.” – Ghandi
budorob on August 19, 2009 at 9:22 AM
Wish no one would call it Republican opposition. The Tea Bag movement, etc. is made up of Americans of all races and political parties that are opposed to the direction of this government These protests are not taking place to support the Republican party because we all recognize that they are also part of the problem.
hillbilly on August 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM
These dim dems dont think we can tell the difference between republicans killing the bill and the democrubs killing their OWN bill! Obama is the main reason this bill is dying! He cannot convey a single clear thought on it because it was all conceived as was his whole campaign message in the dark of night. The people have caught on to the vauge “yes we can” empty message, and are not buying the again empty message of health care, or cap and tax.
There is NOTHING there but a government power grab and we aknow it. So they can change the message every day if they want to it is not going to get them any support from us!
As the lady said “THEY HAVE AWAKENED A SLEEPING GIANT” And he is hungry, and cranky and does not want to hear crap from anyone or he will SQUASH them!
patriotparty1 on August 19, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Alinsky taught the radical that he must be flexible and ready to cahnge tactics at any time. My liberal friends have been doing this during “discussions” for a very long time. If they perceive that they may be losing their moral high ground, they will concentrate on one thing you’ve said that has no bearing on the topic. They will “win” arguing that point and use the useless victory to declare total victory. Be ready to change to counter your opponent.
allstonian on August 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Bahahahahahahahahahahaha! Thanks for clearing that up dude.
kg598301 on August 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Howard Dean is a great magician. How he managed to escape two straight jackets is a miracle…For an encore maybe he can make himself disappear into obscurity,….permanently.
adamsmith on August 19, 2009 at 5:23 PM
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