White flag or trial balloon?

posted at 8:48 am on August 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The White House tried a little Kabuki dance yesterday about its demand for the public option in the health-care reform bill.  Earlier in the day, Kathleen Sebelius suggested that the Obama administration might be willing to forgo that piece in order to get a reform bill passed this year.  After reaction spread quickly to this retreat, the White House later said that the Secretary of Health and Human Services “misspoke”, and later added that it was the media’s fault for “misplaying” her remarks:

An administration official said tonight that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius “misspoke” when she told CNN this morning that a government run health insurance option “is not an essential part” of reform. This official asked not to be identified in exchange for providing clarity about the intentions of the President. The official said that the White House did not intend to change its messaging and that Sebelius simply meant to echo the president, who has acknowledged that the public option is a tough sell in the Senate and is, at the same time, a must-pass for House Democrats, and is not, in the president’s view, the most important element of the reform package.

A second official, Linda Douglass, director of health reform communications for the administration, said that President Obama believed that a public option was the best way to reduce costs and promote competition among insurance companies, that he had not backed away from that belief, and that he still wanted to see a public option in the final bill. …

A third White House official, via e-mail, said that Sebelius didn’t misspeak. “The media misplayed it,” the third official said.

This White House wants to argue that the press is hostile?  Puh-leeze.

Michelle says that this was a trial balloon instead of a white flag, and she’s probably right.  It’s also probably immaterial.  Just as with the language that created the talk of “death panels,” the public option has become a lightning rod for opposition to the effort to remake the American health-care system.  Sen. Kent Conrad’s remarks yesterday that the push for a public option is a “wasted effort” is much more grounded in reality. After this recess and all of the protests, only politicians with career suicide on their minds will support it.

Obama won’t have the votes to move a bill with a public option, no matter whether he compares it to the Post Office, the DMV, or the VA, all of which are valid — and disastrous — examples of what a future ObamaCare will resemble.  Up to now, Obama has shown very little influence on a runaway Congress.  He didn’t get involved in drafting the bill, nor did he do so with Porkulus or cap-and-trade.  If Congress started to walk away from the public option, what would Obama do?  If he demanded an audience with Congressional leadership, he wouldn’t get very far, since it’s the leadership that drafted this poliutical disaster in the first place.

Sebelius’ statement isn’t the key.  It’s the reaction from members of Congress who either felt the full blast of anger from voters for their attempt to nationalize the health-care industry, or simply ran away from it.  That’s the pressure point for the opposition.

Update: The Washington Post notes that Robert Gibbs was also backing away slightly from insistence on a public plan.


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HoustonRight on August 17, 2009 at 10:48 AM

I didn’t say the man had an extensive resume, I said nothing in his record indicates he’s a revolutionary socialist. And every action he’s taken as President has demonstrated exactly that. Revolutionary socialists don’t authorize more troops for wars in Afghanistan, there would have been an automatic pullout. Revolutionary socialists don’t appoint investment bankers to the head of the treasury and they certainly don’t hang around with Lawrence Summers. Revolutionary socialists don’t accept millions of dollars and then play favors to the logging industry as he did when he opened up logging in previously protected Alaskan wilderness earlier in the year. Revolutionary socialists don’t tend to sign bills that increase the Pentagons budget as he did. Revolutionary socialists aren’t the biggest fans of letting a corporately bought Congress right the healthcare bill.

Ive hung out with quite a few unrepentant capitalists in my day. Lots actually. And yet no one would ever confuse me for being right wing. If you judged me based on one or two of my affiliations, as you have with Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright or even on one or two of my personal mentors you’d assume I’d be voting GOP. But of course that’s silly.

And what about hsi work history = revolutionary socialist?

CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Doesn’t matter. If Obama doesn’t perfectly fit the moonbat’s schoolgirl crush fantasy version of Che Rivera, then he’s not an authentic “Socialist Revolutionary.”

How about we start with a simple definition. Can someone define “revolutionary socialist.”

CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 10:54 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 10:43 AM

I happen to listen to Chavez’s weekly diatribes in his program Alo’presidente and he’s said it on a number of occasions most recently this weekend where he is annoyed at Obama because he’s not living up to his background and dismantling the US fast enough.

The Communist party in the United States sure seems enamored of him and so is the Socialist Workers Party.

Before he was in the State House instead of running on the Democrat ticket he deliberately chose the Chicago Democrat Socialists otherwise know as the “New Party of Chicago”. He lost that election.


Now are you a socialist if you run in a party that openly calls itself socialist?

After that he got elected to the state senate he voted “present” in anything of consequence so we can’t gauge a legislative record.

Your denials of the truth are either disingenuous or you fail to see causation. You can try your denials on someone who has not been trained to spot a socialist or has not lived socialist “transformations” but not with me.

elduende on August 17, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Even the most oblivious viewers are starting to get sick of this. The liberal news media are losing a hundred thousand followers a day right now. Politicians come and go, but this will be a lasting change.
logis on August 17, 2009 at 10:43 AM

They said it in ‘92, they said it again in ‘94, they said it again after 9/11 and they said it after Nov ‘2008. Lasting change in partisan politics? Ha!
CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 10:46 AM

I don’t know who said it back then, but it was true. Just because Republican politicians are becoming more “revolutionary Socialist” doesn’t change the fact the media have been becoming more open ever since they were deregulated back in the eighties.

logis on August 17, 2009 at 10:56 AM

highhopes on August 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Caught that. 1,000 new processors for 300,000 + car claims.
If we applied that to health care/pop how many new paper pushers would we need? Coffee is still perculating through my system and I was up til 1am so I will leave the math to others….

journeyintothewhirlwind on August 17, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Now are you a socialist if you run in a party that openly calls itself socialist?

He was endorsed by them, but he ran in the Democratic primary and lost. And the New Party of Chicago are not “revolutionary” socialists, they’re no different than the SDS or really the Green Party. None of them are calling for the end of capitalism as is a prerequisite for being a revolutionary socialist. Hint, “revolution” is in the title…

CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM

But I was bored by conspiracy theory attempts to make Obama into a socialist during the campaign and I’m bored by them now. If Obama was anything like the person you describe he woldnt be doing half of the 3rd Bush term things he’s doing. Gotta get productive, so peace for now.

CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 11:00 AM

More on this:

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama_wants_conservatives_to_declare_victory_on_health_care/

Lockstein13 on August 17, 2009 at 10:52 AM

This is the way Socialists always “compromise”: They try to Socialize an additional 20% of an industry, then they “settle” for 10%, then next year they go for 20% again…

Until we go on the offensive, we will keep losing the country bit by bit.

logis on August 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 10:52 AM

The capital structure of the United States is not a simplistic one. Turning a deeply entrenched system into a socialist one without violence cannot happen overnight. Would it not be prudent to get leaders of large industrys to come aboard with promises of power and wealth in the “new” society. I know this is an extreme illistration but you get my drift.

With regard to work history. An aspiring politician would never join a group or two to provide cover for his/her self. As with my job applicants I look at the body of work.

HoustonRight on August 17, 2009 at 11:02 AM

The official said that the White House did not intend to change its messaging and that Sebelius simply meant to echo the president, who has acknowledged that the public option is a tough sell in the Senate and is, at the same time, a must-pass for House Democrats, and is not, in the president’s view, the most important element of the reform package.

The White House did not intend to change its messaging? Does that mean that Sebelius did something “unintended” by the President? Then how did she mean to “echo” the President?

If the public option is a “must-pass” for House Democrats and a “tough sell” in the Senate, how is it not the “most important part of the reform package for the President?

Must-pass in one house of Congress, tough sell in the other, yet both have to agree to pass any legislation. This sounds like Sebelius was “testing the waters” to see what the reaction would be to dropping the public option. If it enrages the far left, and placates the center into thinking the debate is won, it could be a bait-and-switch tactic used to lull the center to sleep while ramming the “public option” through on far-left support only.

But as one town-hall protestor said, “you [those who favor the public option] have awakened a sleeping giant”–the vast majority of Americans who don’t want to lose either private health insurance or Medicare benefits. This looks like bait-and-switch: the giant must remain awake.

Steve Z on August 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I just want somebody to actually ask the president, ” Mr President, if you could compare your vision of a US Single Payer Health Care System to any other government run program, which would it be?. I just want to know what model he thinks works best. I’ll bet he would dodge the question.

CriticalUpdate on August 17, 2009 at 11:05 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Hint: none of the socialist leaders in the hemisphere, besides Castro, are “revolutionary socialists”. None. All of them are Fabians including Obama. Incrementalism is the name of the game.

No one is accusing Obama of leading a column of guerrillas into power but they don’t need to be to dismantle the society per the blueprints laid out in the Sao Paulo Forum.

elduende on August 17, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Can someone define “revolutionary socialist.”

CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 10:54 AM

One word definition: Obama

farright on August 17, 2009 at 11:11 AM

But I was bored by conspiracy theory attempts to make Obama into a socialist during the campaign and I’m bored by them now. If Obama was anything like the person you describe he woldnt be doing half of the 3rd Bush term things he’s doing. Gotta get productive, so peace for now.

CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 11:00 AM

LOL! Your argument boils down to don’t believe your lying eyes.

Not only was I was trained to spot Socialist/Communist subversion and agitation, I’ve lived it, so you’ll excuse me if I rely on my experience, training, and background instead of the ridiculous denials by leftist shills.

elduende on August 17, 2009 at 11:12 AM

We have to keep pressing on this — so what if the public option is removed, we must stay focused on the other issues, e.g., individual mandates; employer mandates. Co-ops need to be watched carefully. The legislative language should not subsidize or require gov’t oversight. I belong to an electric co-op. If that is the goal, fine, but make sure it is truly member driven.

lovedinthekeys on August 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Ok, here is the fun reality:

-House Ways & Means – PASSED – “Strong” public option
-House Education & Labor – PASSED – Public option
-House Energy & Commerce – PASSED – Public option
-The reconciled final House “Tri-Committee” Bill passed with a strong public option.

-Senate HELP Committee – PASSED – Public option
-Senate Finance Committee – Where all of the hoopla is…

So, the Public Option is dead? Not by a long shot.

Basically Obama just needs to get whatever is going on in the Finance Committee out and then work things back with conferences.

The straight up/down vote is the only thing left in the House.

ckoeber on August 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM

ckoeber on August 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM

contact Chuck Grassley.

ted c on August 17, 2009 at 11:53 AM

contact Chuck Grassley.

ted c on August 17, 2009 at 11:53 AM

How many Dems on that committee? They probably can pass it right over him.

The conservative Dems are the bigger power wielders here IMHO.

ckoeber on August 17, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Can someone define “revolutionary socialist.”

CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 10:54 AM

One word definition: Obama

farright on August 17, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Fabian Socialism…pure Obama.

The Fabian model: The gradual changing of existing institutions into socialist institutions as well as developing new “critical” institutions to support socialist policies.

Not revolutionary…no confrontations in the street, but depending on a dormant population to be led with promises of equality and fairness for all.

coldwarrior on August 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM

The Ministry of Truth is working overtime this month!

stldave on August 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM

they are faking

chicagotrauma on August 17, 2009 at 12:42 PM

trying gauge the lib response and quiet down the townhallers

chicagotrauma on August 17, 2009 at 12:42 PM

trauma gets it right. Keep up da noiz

ted c on August 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Just like the guy who beats his wife all to hell…

…and shows up later at the hospital with a bunch of flowers saying he’s “sorry.”

The bouquet of flowers will be revealed later in the week by the Obama Administration, but believe it, they’ll beat the hell out of you once nobody is looking.

Kill the Bill! All of it!

coldwarrior on August 17, 2009 at 12:50 PM

If that is the goal, fine, but make sure it is truly member driven.

lovedinthekeys on August 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM

And make sure the membership doesn’t include all your illegal alien neighbors.

At first glance, I like the idea of a co-op akin to electic co-ops. BUT (and it is a big but) some of the versions of co-ops out there are nothing more than the public plan by another name. The co-ops need to be private. The filthy liar in the White House or his successor does not get to name the board overseeing the co-op. The government does not take over if the co-op fails.

highhopes on August 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Here is what happened:

It was a trial balloon and a white flag at the same time. Then, 0bama got a message on his private, out of channels, Blackberry from George Soros:

“You WILL pass this, or else.”

LegendHasIt on August 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Here is what happened:

It was a trial balloon and a white flag at the same time. Then, 0bama got a message on his private, out of channels, Blackberry from George Soros:

“You WILL pass this, or else.”
LegendHasIt on August 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM

He followed up with, “No more tickets to Kaminsky Field if you don’t get this done.”

“Any more wavering out of you and you’ll find out why I chose Rahm as your chief of staff.”

–love, George Soros

ted c on August 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM

trauma gets it right. Keep up da noiz

ted c on August 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Damned straight. We need to hammer then on their credibility now and the the half-assed amateur hour we’ve all been treated to over the weekend.

The folks who peddled us the Stimulus package that 70% of Americans think will either do nothing or directly harm their personal long-term financial well-being are now deliberately “misspeaking” on National TV about their healthcare program to identify the path of maximum political expediency.

The same president who bitches constantly about conservatives “spreading disinformation” stood on his bully pulpit and deliberately “misspoke” about AARP supporting his fabian socialist plan.

The same president who derided and denigrated the motivations of caregivers and physicians everywhere not once but TWICE when he insisted that we can’t trust our doctors because they might deliberately perform malpractice just to pursue a fee schedule now expects us to believe that his intention is PROMOTE FREE MARKET CHOICE IN HEALTHCARE?!?

Whether or not the public option is dead is immaterial, we’re looking at the last stretch here. If conservatives can push aggressively enough with this weekend’s “misspeaking” fiasco, we can expose the fundamental credibility problem that’s at the core of this whole healthcare proposal: That NOONE really believes Obama is interested in promoting CHOICE.

Khorum on August 17, 2009 at 1:57 PM

blockquote>trauma gets it right. Keep up da noiz

ted c on August 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Damned straight. We need to hammer then on their credibility now and the the half-assed amateur hour we’ve all been treated to over the weekend.

The folks who peddled us the Stimulus package that 70% of Americans think will either do nothing or directly harm their personal long-term financial well-being are now deliberately “misspeaking” on National TV about their healthcare program to identify the path of maximum political expediency.

The same president who bitches constantly about conservatives “spreading disinformation” stood on his bully pulpit and deliberately “misspoke” about AARP supporting his fabian socialist plan.

The same president who derided and denigrated the motivations of caregivers and physicians everywhere not once but TWICE when he insisted that we can’t trust our doctors because they might deliberately perform malpractice just to pursue a fee schedule now expects us to believe that his intention is PROMOTE FREE MARKET CHOICE IN HEALTHCARE?!?

Whether or not the public option is dead is immaterial, we’re looking at the last stretch here. If conservatives can push aggressively enough with this weekend’s “misspeaking” fiasco, we can expose the fundamental credibility problem that’s at the core of this whole healthcare proposal: That NOONE really believes Obama is interested in promoting CHOICE.

Khorum on August 17, 2009 at 1:59 PM

For years, it has been said that the US, under the aegis of NATO, allowed European countries the luxury of having low defense expenditures.
Can the same be said for health care ?

Will US health care reform be a foreign policy nightmare ?

J_Crater on August 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Worse, he just hung his own party out with this “trial balloon.”

Memo to Dems:

Hey, you go sell it. I’ll disown it. Good luck on explaining that one during reelection.

AnninCA on August 17, 2009 at 2:02 PM

I got your trial baloon right here:

Let Ted Kennedy, Chris Dodd, CrockObama, Barney Frwank, Biden and their entire families use this crapola health plan of theirs for their term in office and we use what we have already.

Teddy and Dodd would not be running for re-election I bet.

dthorny on August 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM

How many Dems on that committee? They probably can pass it right over him.

The conservative Dems are the bigger power wielders here IMHO.

ckoeber on August 17, 2009 at 11:57 AM

This is the group to keep an eye on.

msmveritas on August 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Rep Dan Massa D-NY has become the first to enlist in the Obama Martyr Brigade. Massa, from a remarkably Republican district, has indicated that he would vote only for a bill that contained a single payer option.

Another trial balloon.

Folks, I’m telling you. It needs to be illegal for the Dems to take the silver bullet approach and die at the feet of Obama, then be revived the next day with a golden parachute job in the healthcare industry.

ted c on August 17, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Obama Martyr Brigade: First enlistee.

ted c on August 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM

White flag or trial balloon? Better change that to black balloon, you racists!!!!!(Sarc off) See how ridiculous that was? In six more months the word racism won’t even be used anymore in that it got thoroughly overused in ways that made it unusable…The only real racists I see these days are the New Black Panther wannabe thugs that were let off the hook by Attorney General Holder. I guess it was a “Black Thing”………..Wait a minute, maybe Holder is a…………………..

adamsmith on August 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM

If we could trust them enough to think they were not putting in a trojan horse, we are still left with a Congress that doesn’t even read bills.

If we could trust them to actually read the bills, we are still left with a Congress that doesn’t give a rat’s behind what the public wants.

If we could trust them to act on what the public wants, we are still left with the high probability of increased size of government, regulations, costs.

If we could trust that a bill wouldn’t increase the size of govt, increase regulations and costs, we are left with government incompetence at running most anything.

If by some miracle they could guarantee government competence, we are left with an elitist Congress that is passing bills that apply to us, not them.

I feel we have to keep raising a ruckus, and not support ANYTHING from this administration or Congress. We have to take back our government, and make politicians believe that we have had it with business as usual. If we can’t stay awake long enough to fight to the finish, we could lose our country for good.

I have lost faith in all of them, including the GOP, and most particularly the “news” media cheerleaders. Don’t know about you, but I can’t remember ever regaining faith in a liar. I might forgive one, if they apologize, but believe them again?

jodetoad on August 17, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Now the Republicans need to go in for the kill – recreate 1994. Go on the Capitol steps – all of you – and present a bill to the American people.

Present a clear alternative and you’ll win this and everything else including 2012

gophergirl on August 17, 2009 at 9:06 AM

+1

a bill that puts We the People in charge – a free market driven, across state lines, untethered from employer purchase and federal regulations insurance reform.

And instead of 1000 pages – make it 10.

The Dems are handing the Republicans the opportunity of a lifetime. The RINOs can’t pull off this kind of a victory, but are there enough pure of heart conservatives with the brains and the courage, i.e., Sarah Palins, to rock the house? Let’s identify the ones most likely and cheer them on.
Are they pure in heart (and pocketbook)

tigerlily on August 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM

The capital structure of the United States is not a simplistic one. Turning a deeply entrenched system into a socialist one without violence cannot happen overnight. Would it not be prudent to get leaders of large industrys to come aboard with promises of power and wealth in the “new” society. I know this is an extreme illistration but you get my drift.

HoustonRight on August 17, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Most of the rank-and-file moonbats strictly follow the Soviet model. They consider the Stalin a “real” Socialist, and they think of Hitler and Mussolini as, um, “fake” Socialists, or something.

They don’t think of Naziism and Fascism as evil because they confiscated property from millions of people. They hate them because they didn’t do it “equally” – to everyone at the same time – the way that Stalin did.

But the people calling the shots are never that persnickety. Every collectivist leader always does whatever it takes to consolidate wealth under the central government. And Obama is no different.

logis on August 17, 2009 at 4:51 PM

I’ve never seen an administration crash and burn so fast. He’s FAILING MISERABLY ! He has the anti-Midas touch (politically speaking).

stenwin77 on August 17, 2009 at 5:03 PM

The Dems are handing the Republicans the opportunity of a lifetime. The RINOs can’t pull off this kind of a victory, but are there enough pure of heart conservatives with the brains and the courage, i.e., Sarah Palins, to rock the house? Let’s identify the ones most likely and cheer them on.
Are they pure in heart (and pocketbook)

tigerlily on August 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Yeah where the hell has Boehner been recently? We got poor old Grassley—a bit of a RINO himself—stepping up and taking much of the heat alongside Palin. I’ve never had anything but contempt for Grassley before but his newfound pair during the last week concerning the death panel situation seats him front and center as someone that needs our support. If only because he’s being hammered.

On the bright side though, Grassley’s being hammered because the media’s has discovered to their horror that Sarah Palin is now just about totally immune to any of their vitriol. And this will only get worse.

Maybe Jim DeMint or Paul Ryan or Cantor will step up and make the final push while Obama is at his weakest after this weekend’s “mispeaking” fest. But I __KNOW__ there’s at least one conservative out there who has not only proven she has the balls to speak truth to power, but has the force of will be heard loud enough to steer the discussion and has sufficient influence to actually alter policy.

We need Sarah Palin to make another facebook post that lights up Obama’s, Sebellius’, Gibbs’ and Conrad’s double-mispeeches for the brazen duplicity it truly is.

Contact Mrs. Palin via facebook and urge her to take these fools out to the toolshed one more time. Tell her you want her to explain exactly why we should trust a President who went on national TV and LIED about AARP’s support then denigrated the motivations of doctors and nurses everywhere.

Khorum on August 17, 2009 at 5:09 PM

I didn’t say the man had an extensive resume, I said nothing in his record indicates he’s a revolutionary socialist. And every action he’s taken as President has demonstrated exactly that.

CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Uhm … You’re kinda rong …

1. Obama has stated that the Constitution is inherently flawed … That it is a Constitution of negative rights which states what the government cannot do TO you – rather than what it can do on your behalf. That is a Socialist notion – that the government must act on behalf of it’s citizens. We have him on audio tape saying this.

2. He gave the UAW significant shares in Chrysler and GM. Let’s put that another way – he handed the reigns of power for those companies over to the “proletariat”. Sound a little Socialist to ya? Actually, it doesn’t to me – because he did it by force – by threatening bond holders – and the forceful confiscation of these companies is actually COMMUNISTIC (i.e. “Marxist”)

3. At every turn – he’s demonized the wealthy. He’s moving to place limits on how much they can make. He’s demonized Insurance Companies and AIG executives who simply asked that they be paid the wages their contracts specified. If that’s not Socialistic – I don’t know what is. Of course – add in the fact that he sent his SEIU goons out to terrorize the execs and what you have is the important Marxist ingredient … FORCE.

4. Attempting to wipe out the health insurance companies – Socialism. Yeah – I know you don’t believe that’s really what he wants to do – but we have on video stating exactly that. Moreover, we have several of his “minions” talking about it. You can choose to ignore the evidence – but we don’t have to.

5. Card Check – gotta figure he’d sign it. That is nothing more than a way for him to keep the proletariat unions running, when in fact they were on the ropes about to die in this country. Voila! Along comes Card Check and a little old fashioned UNION MUSCLE – and we can make everyone a DUES PAYING UNION MEMBER! Whether they like it or not. Socialism.

6. “Well there, Mr. Plumber … All I want to do is SPREAD THE WEATH THERE” … SOCIALISM.

I could go on, but would it really make a difference to those who have buried their heads in the sand??

NOPE.

HondaV65 on August 17, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Folks, I’m telling you. It needs to be illegal for the Dems to take the silver bullet approach and die at the feet of Obama, then be revived the next day with a golden parachute job in the healthcare industry.

ted c on August 17, 2009 at 2:42 PM

As long as they are out of office … a GOP majority can fire their arses.

HondaV65 on August 17, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Who the hell knows what these people are thinking? They do not know what they are doing. They might think they can sneak in some co-op plan and still mess with people. After all, the co-op plan would sit the rules for insurance plans. They will still have too much control over the market. But probably not enough control to pacify the truly committed liberals.

Terrye on August 17, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Contact Mrs. Palin via facebook and urge her to take these fools out to the toolshed one more time. Tell her you want her to explain exactly why we should trust a President who went on national TV and LIED about AARP’s support then denigrated the motivations of doctors and nurses everywhere.

Khorum on August 17, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Would it be a good idea to encourage Sarah to blow everyone away and post her own version of principles (5 pages or less)of health insurance reform legislation on Facebook?

We’ve all heard of fantasy football, why not what legislation would look like if Sarah was in the house – Whitehouse, that is.

Completely free-market and small business and citizen empowering?

I think she has every right and all the ability in the world to present us with the Palin Plan in all it’s glory.

tigerlily on August 17, 2009 at 6:47 PM

and just to clarify – a health INSURANCE reform (across state lines, not tied to employer, etc.)NOT health care. The HB3200 must be killed completely. There is NO Constitutional permission for this communistic takeover.
While we’re at it, let’s get the impeachment warmed up and ready to go….

tigerlily on August 17, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Who the hell knows what these people are thinking? They do not know what they are doing. They might think they can sneak in some co-op plan and still mess with people. After all, the co-op plan would sit the rules for insurance plans. They will still have too much control over the market. But probably not enough control to pacify the truly committed liberals.

Terrye on August 17, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Oh nonono, don’t even think that they DON’T know what they are doing. This wasn’t a “trial balloon” or a “white flag”–though it may have started out that way—what it is now is a warcry.

Pay attention to what the result truly was: the “death of the public option” has done something that Obama and Pelosi has failed to do for the last three weeks: INFLAME THE LEFT.

Whether on purpose or entirely on accident, the fact is that the nutroots got a glimpse of what September could’ve been for their cause and the hackles were raised. Once the dust settles in the DU and dKos threads, the same activist arms that had spent the last couple weeks at first, ignoring, then ridiculing the townhall uprising has now become aware that they stand to lose EVERYTHING if Obama’s credibility evaporates with the death of HR3200.

This is why conservatives have to strike now and strike very very very hard. We need a deathblow to the remaining credibility that has so far saved this travesty of a bill from the fate that met its predecessor in 1993.

We need prominent conservatives to drop that knockout blow NOW or the radical leftists who had been so far content to bitch and moan and blog about being “punked” will realize what’s at stake and come marching against us in full force.

We need to kill the bill in the next few news cycles or there’s even a danger that a loud and resurgent liberal reaction to “the death of the public option” will sway some bluedogs.

Khorum on August 17, 2009 at 6:58 PM

…so using the logic that “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax …”, are we to interpret the newspeak “Co-ops will replace the ‘Public Option’” to mean “Co-ops shall not be treated as Co-ops, they shall actually be a trojan horse soon to be replaced by the “Public Option”?

opaobie on August 17, 2009 at 8:37 PM

This is a trial balloon designed to test the reaction from the very liberal. It will be fun to watch them acting “unAmerican” at Town Hall meetings–shouting, disrupting, etc. etc.– only this times the Dems get it from their own.

God, I love watching this unravel. It’s like watching a baserunner caught between the short stop and the first baseman.

DrStock on August 17, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Trial balloon sillies. Said it before now I’ll say it again. Obama cares more about passing a destabilizing, socialist agenda far more than he cares about winning a second term.

He will barter the public option into the bill with his Democratic colleagues one way or another. Consider it done.

watson007 on August 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM

And what about hsi work history = revolutionary socialist?

CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 10:52 AM

His work history, (especially his work with the Annenberg foundation,) has been largely sealed, shielded legally from public view.

It’s not that Ayers and Wright form “one or two of his associations,” as you assert.

Ayers, and Rev. Wright were primary mentors; he has a long association with both, interwoven through both the personal and professional.

Not casual associations; they are cornerstones of his career and political origins.

Attempting to dismiss them as if they were two of many is fundamentally dishonest.

massrighty on August 17, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Ayers, and Rev. Wright were primary mentors; he has a long association with both, interwoven through both the personal and professional.

Don’t forget radical communist poet Frank Marshall Davis – Obama talks about Davis’ influence on him in his book………

TopLawyer on August 17, 2009 at 11:49 PM

The left is really in rare form, these days. The Precedent goes out and tries to sell the “public option” as nothing more than another health insurance company that will be available on the brand new Health insurance exchange. He assured the college kid that it would not have any advantages over any other company and would be subject to all the same costs … just one more insurance company. No big deal. He didn’t say how this new company would do things better than any other company, or even as well as any other company, given the history of government management, but it would somehow, by its little old self bring new “competition” to the market (I put ‘competition’ in quotes, because The Precedent was talking about lefty ‘competition’, which could mean anything). Anyway, nothing but a little option, and the evil conservatives were painting it out to be such a big deal … the big liars.

Then, Sebelius says that the “public option” isn’t that big of a deal, the next day, and all hell breaks loose among the left. Now, we have (Public Option Called Essential
Democratic Lawmakers Express Concern
):

In the Senate, where negotiations are now focused, John D. Rockefeller IV (W.Va.) said that a public option, as the plan has become known, is “a must.” Sen. Russell Feingold (Wis.) said that “without a public option, I don’t see how we will bring real change to a system that has made good health care a privilege for those who can afford it.”

Evidently, the left thinks the little, old “public option” is absolutely essential.

Cognitive dissonance, they name is “Left”.

progressoverpeace on August 18, 2009 at 1:35 AM

This part should have been quoted:

(Public Option Called Essential
Democratic Lawmakers Express Concern
):

In the Senate, where negotiations are now focused, John D. Rockefeller IV (W.Va.) said that a public option, as the plan has become known, is “a must.” Sen. Russell Feingold (Wis.) said that “without a public option, I don’t see how we will bring real change to a system that has made good health care a privilege for those who can afford it.”

progressoverpeace on August 18, 2009 at 1:37 AM

Don’t forget radical communist poet Frank Marshall Davis – Obama talks about Davis’ influence on him in his book………

TopLawyer on August 17, 2009 at 11:49 PM

Frank Marshall Davis – Communist AND pornographer…in his porn book he talks about his acts of pedophilia with an underage boy…

Cursory internet search:

Frank Marshall Davis – MetapediaDavis was the author of a hard-core pornographic autobiography, … Frank Marshall Davis, alleged Communist, was early influence on Barack Obama …

en.metapedia.org/wiki/Frank_Marshall_Davis

Lisa Derrick: Frank Marshall Davis and the Deception of PornographyOct 15, 2008 … I wrote pornography to pay for my addiction to books and fancy face … Which brings me to Frank Marshall Davis, the bohemian author who was …

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…/frank-marshall-davis-and_b_134852.html

Right Truth: Obama’s peverted communist friend Frank Marshall DavisFrank Marshall Davis wrote a pornographic novel under the pseudonym Bob … “1. pertaining to or being a fictionalized account of an author’s own life. …

righttruth.typepad.com/…/obamas-peverted-communist-friend-frank.html

Obama mentor Frank Marshall Davis wrote shocking, autobiographical …… who divorced in 1970, was the author of a hard-core pornographic autobiography published in …. That Frank Marshall Davis guy Barry says was his good friend? … Frank Marshall Davis book “Sex Rebel Black” is available on Wikileaks …

209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2066754/posts

Barack Obama’s mentor Frank Marshall Davis was a sexual deviate …Is it true that Frank Marshall was a porn writer who claimed to have seduced a teen girl
named “Anne”…YEAH. …

thehive.modbee.com/?q=node/10535

tigerlily on August 18, 2009 at 1:37 AM

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