Video: People bringing assault rifles to Obama rallies now

posted at 7:51 pm on August 17, 2009 by Allahpundit

And maybe not just people on the anti-Obama side, either. CNN reports seeing at least two AR-15s at today’s event in Arizona, one of which was carried by a guy standing among those waving “Reform Now” signs.

As I’ve said before, it’s a security risk and a de facto provocation to the other side. And having the right to do it is no more of a justification than bringing porn to a meeting with the president would be. Exit question: Why?



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Madison Conservative believes that any criticism of women’s voting habits automatically means that women should not vote.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM

No, I believe that when you respond with “Well said” to a person who says they would gladly go back to the days when women weren’t allowed to vote, then you don’t think women should be allowed to vote.

Is that calumny or satire? I’ve lost track.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:20 PM

It’s all attitude.

Women were seen as a symbol of the French Revolution

Mothers of the revolution

they nurtured it, by raising it’s children, and they inflamed it when they marched for bread

i don’t think it has to do with herd mentalities

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:21 PM

As a woman, I do believe that women tend towards socialism, as it’s not called the “nanny state” for nothing. I stand by my comment and criticism.

Until women are able to overcome their “herd” instinct, and understand and embrace the loneliness inherent in leadership roles, they will never be able to be effective leaders.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Atheling, Believe me, I know there are a lot of messed up women out there, but you cannot make blanket statements like that. I have no herd instinct, my life is about what is best for me and my children. I just happen to know that conservative values are the way to provide that.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Women are perfectly capable of leading. They are leaders in the home.
blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM

I’ll say. My wife has her opinion and I’m entitled to it.

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 3:21 PM

In informal conversation, clip=magazines, guns=firearms, bullets=cartridges, not a big deal except to nit-pickers.

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM

It’s a big deal to those who know what they’re talking about. You don’t.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Of course, men are more apt to become leaders. Women are usually busy taking care of children.

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM

I hope you get run over by Obama’s bus.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:14 PM

At least I will be able to meet all of his past “supporters” who have been tossed under the bus.
Clip, clip, clip!!!!

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Women are perfectly capable of leading. They are leaders in the home.
blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM

I’ll say. My wife has her opinion and I’m entitled to it.

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Any smart man knows this..

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Until women are able to overcome their “herd” instinct, and understand and embrace the loneliness inherent in leadership roles, they will never be able to be effective leaders.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Speak for yourself.

Dang this threads gone so quickly. Gone for a few minutes and can’t catch up, but it’s nice to see atheling be a uniter.

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Thread.Derailed.Train.Wreck.

The Ronin Edge on August 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Come join the chaos!

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:23 PM

It’s a big deal to those who know what they’re talking about. You don’t.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Is that what you posted for me the other night?

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:24 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:12 PM

It’s the 50lbs+ gear that makes things more difficult. But no getting around the pack without being vulnerable to assault.

If you are exposed to the direct desert sun for hours on patrol, you need to stay covered, insulated from burn. The military uses fabric that wicks off the sweat and breathes.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Thread.Derailed.Train.Wreck.

The Ronin Edge on August 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Aha! Renaissance.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Women are dictators at home, not leaders. Not necessarily a bad thing, as children need strong guidance, but it is not the same as leading a nation of adults in a free Republic.

Look at Nancy Pelosi. Barbara Boxer. Hillary Clinton. What is their solution for every human problem? Big government. The nanny state. Always telling us to stop smoking, eat healthy, use green lightbulbs, drive green cars, and other assorted nanny state solutions.

Fortunately, we have women with manly virtue on the conservative side like Margaret Thatcher and Sarah Palin.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Is that what you posted for me the other night?

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Yup. Pet peeve when someone doesn’t know. Downright annoying when someone claims there’s no difference.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Sexism tongue in cheek.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM

So only “manly” women should lead.

You sure seem to have a problem with women being “womanly”.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM

I have also noticed that when women are criticized, they are too thin skinned to accept such criticism.

They immediately circle the wagon and attack the critic.

Very immature and intellectually dishonest. As well as unobjective.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Big difference between “womanly” and “womanish”.

Words have meanings.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM

First time I’ve ever agreed with allahpundit. The end of the world must be near.

rlwo2008 on August 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM

According to the UN and WHO, we have until Christmas.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Madison Conservative believes that any criticism of women’s voting habits automatically means that women should not vote.

If one cannot criticize weaknesses or faults, those problems will never be addressed and corrected.

As a woman, I do believe that women tend towards socialism, as it’s not called the “nanny state” for nothing. I stand by my comment and criticism.

Until women are able to overcome their “herd” instinct, and understand and embrace the loneliness inherent in leadership roles, they will never be able to be effective leaders.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Here, Here! From one woman to another, I thank you for your on-spot explanation of why women so often vote liberal.

pilartx on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM

It’s a big deal to those who know what they’re talking about. You don’t.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM

So what do you call them Semi or auto loaders? Ever use the term bullets, or guns?
I read a story of a guy who walked into buy a Porsche, he asked told the salesman and the salesman said “You mean Porschahh(phonetically), and the guy said no a Porsche and you just lost yourself a sell.
The point is, if you know what the person is talking about, and it is not a technical conversation, relax, people don’t demand latin names for parts of the body, or when you go into a nursery…you can bet I was shooting a “gun” before you were born, and I was using a “clip” before you were born…so relax. You are a technical guru, I just go out and do a little hunting and shooting my guns. And you can bet over a cold beer after a day of hunting, no one ever worth their salt is going to correct someone about saying “I am just about out of bullets, throw me that clip”. “I am so sorry, I have no idea to what you are speaking about”…

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Of course, men are more apt to become leaders. Women are usually busy taking care of children.

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Unless you’re like Michelle and do both at the same time.

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 3:31 PM

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:24 PM

It’s just that I’ve heard complaints that not all of our troops are adequately equipped for the heat, to this administration’s shame.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:31 PM

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 3:30 PM

“I was wrong” will suffice. Defending ignorance will not.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:31 PM

I believe someone kidded Ann Coulter along those same lines, equating women voting and the rise in socialism….are they saying we should take away women’s right to vote? ( If memory serves me, I think it was Rush Limbaugh…but I could be wrong )

It is a fact that since women were allowed to vote, there has been a rise in socialism in America. However, it isn’t proven that socialism is because women were allowed to vote. People who ate carrots in the 18th century are all dead…can we conclude carrots killed them?

In any case, I think the real problem with socialism is people who vote, who don’t have skin in the game. People don’t see it immoral to steal from the “rich” to get their pet project. Case in point is the health care debate…people think it will actually be free because we’ll just soak the rich. The solution is getting more people to have skin in the game, and to educate them that government is not their friend, but a necessary evil.

Conservative Voice on August 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Big difference between “womanly” and “womanish”.

Words have meanings.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM

This may not be a popular statement, but I have no problem with being womanish. I am strong, I get what I want, and I get extra consideration for being the weaker sex. That’s honesty for you.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Sexism tongue in cheek.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM

I don’t know why I’m sexist for pointing out an obvious fact.

I offered no opinion or commentary on that fact, either.

So don’t call me sexist.

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Here, Here! From one woman to another, I thank you for your on-spot explanation of why women so often vote liberal.

pilartx on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Thank you for your honesty. It’s no accident that if you look at Obama’s support (dwindling as it is), he still has more women supporting him than men.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Big difference between “womanly” and “womanish”.

Words have meanings.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Womanish.

–adjective
1. womanlike or feminine.


Womanly.

–adjective
1. like or befitting a woman; feminine; not masculine or girlish.

You were saying?

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:17 PM

There you go again…telling people what to do… :P

ladyingray on August 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM

How did we go from gun rights to the management/leadership capabilities of women?

catlady on August 18, 2009 at 3:34 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Perhaps it has more to do with the fact that woman are very nurturing of others, as they must with their children, thus more apt to support collectivist policy, as opposed to being a bunch of easily herded sheep?

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:35 PM

As a woman, I do believe that women tend towards socialism, as it’s not called the “nanny state” for nothing.

Says you on behalf of all women, offending Big Brother.

Opportunists can’t get enough of socialism. Perhaps you assert that females have the monopoly on opportunism.

No, I did not just write that all opportunists are socialists, nor did I imply that are all opportunistic women socialists.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:35 PM

I have also noticed that when women are criticized, they are too thin skinned to accept such criticism.

They immediately circle the wagon and attack the critic.

Very immature and intellectually dishonest. As well as unobjective.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Are you looking in the mirror as you type this, or have you already broken all the ones in your house, pissed that some chick out there is still the prettiest in all the land?

Either way, you sure must have some massive balls to be making a statement like this while ignoring your own abysmally appalling behavior in several threads here.

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 3:36 PM

I have also noticed that when women are criticized, they are too thin skinned to accept such criticism.

They immediately circle the wagon and attack the critic.

Very immature and intellectually dishonest. As well as unobjective.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM

WTF?

ladyingray on August 18, 2009 at 3:37 PM

I have also noticed that when women are criticized, they are too thin skinned to accept such criticism.

They immediately circle the wagon and attack the critic.

Very immature and intellectually dishonest. As well as unobjective.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM

…in other words, exactly what you do. Are you trying to argue that all women are as petty, small-minded, and vindictive as you?

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Conservative Voice on August 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM

I’m not saying women “caused” socialism. But I have noticed a tendency among women to go for the big government solution for human problems. When I speak of why it’s wrong for government to tell me what kind of lightbulb I should use by banning certain lightbulbs, and how it infringes on my freedom, most women I know will defend the government in the name of what’s “good for me and for Mother Earth”. They seem unable to grasp the tenets of liberty and personal responsibility.

You must agree that we see this with our current Speaker of the House and most female Democrat pols. It’s even worse in Britain, with their recently disgraced Home Secretary who banned Michael Savage along with Muslim terrorists. She was unable to distinguish between one’s speech and one’s actions.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:39 PM

…in other words, exactly what you do. Are you trying to argue that all women are as petty, small-minded, and vindictive as you?

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Ouch! This is getting uncomfortable.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:39 PM

if you look at Obama’s support (dwindling as it is), he still has more women supporting him than men.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Perhaps the point could be argued that amongst heterosexuals, that being male, Obama might have more support from females than men.

But homosexual/transgendered activists roundly adore The One, regardless of gender identity.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Perhaps it has more to do with the fact that woman are very nurturing of others, as they must with their children, thus more apt to support collectivist policy, as opposed to being a bunch of easily herded sheep?

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:35 PM

I doubt that. I believe it has more to do with the rights of the “oppressed” like any other historically wronged group. Women are not actually a minority, but they vote like one. This shouldn’t be shocking. The percentages aren’t even heavily in favor of Democrats either. We’re talking about less than 60% in support.

I believe someone kidded Ann Coulter along those same lines, equating women voting and the rise in socialism….are they saying we should take away women’s right to vote? ( If memory serves me, I think it was Rush Limbaugh…but I could be wrong )

Conservative Voice on August 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM

No. Ann Coulter made the comment herself. She was basically asserting that women tend to vote for the “wrong” candidate and that without allowing women to vote, we’d get the “Right” one.

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Here, Here! From one woman to another, I thank you for your on-spot explanation of why women so often vote liberal.

pilartx on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Thank you for your honesty. It’s no accident that if you look at Obama’s support (dwindling as it is), he still has more women supporting him than men.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM

There was no sarcasm in my statement. Hope you didn’t take it that way. You just verbalized my frustration with so may of my fellow-females that are liberal. I am staunchly conservative – always have been. It’s never even made one lick’o’sense for me to vote liberal. It flies in the face of reason. What’s that famous Jack Nicholson line from “As Good As It Gets”?
woman: “How do you write women so well?”
Melvin (Nicholson): “I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.”
Though I wouldn’t agree with that statement on most fronts, I do tend to agree with it when it comes to political ideology.

pilartx on August 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Ouch! This is getting uncomfortable.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:39 PM

See what I mean? And they accuse me of being “mean”? Look at how they all attack like a pack of jackals. I have not spoken to them or said one insult to them.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Though I wouldn’t agree with that statement on most fronts, I do tend to agree with it when it comes to political ideology.

pilartx on August 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM

I agree. I think it has been disastrous for politics. Remember Hillary’s book, “It Takes a Village”? Herd mentality. The “village” or “group” owns the child, not the parents.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:44 PM

She was unable to distinguish between one’s speech and one’s actions.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:39 PM

And she’s somehow representative of women all over the world? And no man has ever made the same error? Do you really have nothing but anecdotes to make your case against women?

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 3:45 PM

And she’s somehow representative of women all over the world? And no man has ever made the same error? Do you really have nothing but anecdotes to make your case against women?

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Esthier, I am pretty comfortable in my womanhood. How ’bout you?

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Stop painting with your broad brush.

ladyingray on August 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I have not spoken to them or said one insult to them.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM

No one here believes that for a second. Even if you’d just joined Hot Air, a Google search shows the truth.

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 3:48 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:39 PM

I think you have to be careful not to over generalize, especially when it comes to government policy.

Conservative Voice on August 18, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Sexism tongue in cheek.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM

I don’t know why I’m sexist for pointing out an obvious fact.

I offered no opinion or commentary on that fact, either.

So don’t call me sexist.

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM

You need a better sense of humor or you’ll suffer high blood pressure.

Meanwhile, recognize that what you’re writing is pretty humorous, particularly given the sincere delivery.

No need to jump to incorrect assumptions or wrong conclusions, young man. We know you mean well.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Warning: Check your age before talking to atheling:

You’re only 27? What the hell was I talking to you for?

You don’t know jack s*** until you’re over 30.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I guess that means Jason Mattera knows nothing, and Kerry and Murtha know far more than that brat chasing them.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:50 PM

I think you have to be careful not to over generalize…

Conservative Voice on August 18, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Ask her to stop breathing, and she might be able to comply. That one? Pipe dream.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Esthier, I am pretty comfortable in my womanhood. How ’bout you?

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Most days. When I’m not too hormonal. /sarc

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 3:52 PM

“I was wrong” will suffice. Defending ignorance will not.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:31 PM

I was wrong that saying in a casual conversation, non technical like this blog, that clip and magazine can be interchangeable…that is what you need? Okay, in a casual conversation clip and magazine can never be interchangeable, and you won’t understand the conversation.

Generally, a clip is what is used to load a magazine. Moon Clips load cylinder magazines, stripper clips load box magazines, and of course the enbloc clip loads the Garand magazine. Most people use the term interchangably and it’s pretty much become acceptable to do that (right or wrong). I’ve always used the term magazine, and it paid off for me when I was in firearms training for law enforcement because the term clip would cost you 20 push-ups. Some guys didn’t seem to learn!

The Model 95 Steyr also becomes part of the magazine.
In informal conversation, I use the terms clips and magazines interchangeably and likewise call all firearms guns.
Being that language changes from the bottom up,current dictionaries
consider interchangeability of these terms legitimate.
In the Army ,I felt using the term “weapon” for small arms (not short arms) pretentious and corny.

Now you never answered my questions…bullets or cartriges, self loaders or semi autos…hmmmmm?
I can bet you say bullets, when that is just part of a cartridge (like a clip is part of a magazine often), or you say semi auto, when it is actually a self loader.
See when you are pretentious, you have to eat it…and you must be a real ball to go hunting with, make sure you bring plenty of bullets for you clips….

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 3:54 PM

We know you mean well.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Blatant is sweat.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Ah yes, I remember that thread. The only people we can trust are males over 30. Everyone else, shut up.

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Esthier, I am pretty comfortable in my womanhood. How ’bout you?

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I am very comfortable. And I agree with Esthier, menopause is not for the faint of heart.

catlady on August 18, 2009 at 3:56 PM

pilartx:

I forgot to mention another aspect.

I think there’s a biological component to this difference. Look at nature. Herd of mares, one stallion. Brood of hens, one rooster. I think there may be a biological imperative that gives the female of the species a tendency towards “herdism”, or politically, “socialism”.

Of course as human beings, we are fortunately endowed with reason and free will, so we can rise above biology.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:57 PM

You must agree that we see this with our current Speaker of the House and most female Democrat pols. It’s even worse in Britain,

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Yeah, that Margaret Thatcher, not much of a person there…were you born this way, or did you have an accident that paralyzed that part of the brain.
The only thing that slows a woman down, is they have to pick up our socks…

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 3:59 PM

No need to jump to incorrect assumptions or wrong conclusions, young man. We know you mean well.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM

sorry

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:59 PM

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 3:54 PM

You’re the first person ever to defend ignorance of the difference between a clip and a magazine. Several others on here were confused, and I showed them the difference, and they thanked me. You walk into a gun range or training class and dismiss the difference, you’ll be smacked upside the head and educated.

It takes roughly 20 seconds to explain the difference, except to people who value ignorance. Let me know when you aren’t so steadfast on your value of willful ignorance.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

I am very comfortable. And I agree with Esthier, menopause is not for the faint of heart.

catlady on August 18, 2009 at 3:56 PM

I am not looking forward to it, hopefully I have a decade or more until I have to suffer.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

You mean
MEANopause?

/hide

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM

The Ronin Edge on August 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Maybe you should go back to the whole “In god we Trust” on money thing. That might get it back. :-)

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM

I think you have to be careful not to over generalize, especially when it comes to government policy.

Conservative Voice on August 18, 2009 at 3:48 PM

It’s very true that men nowadays suffer from the same herd mentality, or socialistic policy making. But I think feminisim has effectively silenced or “emasculated” men. I think they attempt to destroy manly qualities of courage, individualism, stoicism, independence, even the will to fight and kill in wartime. They have destroyed the martial spirit necessary to protect oneself and one’s country.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Of course as human beings, we are fortunately endowed with reason and free will, so we can rise above biology.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:57 PM

So you prefer sharing a man with several women?
Funny you didn’t bring out the biology of a Sheepshead, born a female, and eventually turns into a male.
Is that kind of what you would want?

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Until women are able to overcome their “herd” instinct, and understand and embrace the loneliness inherent in leadership roles, they will never be able to be effective leaders.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Almost sounds like a liberal.

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 4:03 PM

So you prefer sharing a man with several women?
Funny you didn’t bring out the biology of a Sheepshead, born a female, and eventually turns into a male.
Is that kind of what you would want?

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Non sequitor. Don’t be silly. I am not advocating anything of the sort. You’re being dishonest.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 4:04 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM

You couldn’t do it, wimp.

ladyingray on August 18, 2009 at 4:04 PM

They have destroyed the martial spirit necessary to protect oneself and one’s country.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Serious question…how long have you been out of school, if you are?

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Now you never answered my questions…bullets or cartriges, self loaders or semi autos…hmmmmm?
I can bet you say bullets, when that is just part of a cartridge (like a clip is part of a magazine often), or you say semi auto, when it is actually a self loader.
See when you are pretentious, you have to eat it…and you must be a real ball to go hunting with, make sure you bring plenty of bullets for you clips….

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 3:54 PM

As to the rest, I say rounds. If it’s for a pistol, it’s a round or bullet. If it’s for a rifle, it’s a round or cartridge. If it’s for a shotgun, it’s a round or shell. If you were at a range, and called pistol rounds “cartridges”, people would raise an eyebrow.

A clip is not part of a magazine. A clip feeds rounds into a magazine. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about, but don’t care to know the truth.

I don’t care what you and other people who bathe in ignorance of proper terminology think about those of us who know what we’re talking about. It’s called jealousy. Learning doesn’t take long. Get over yourselves.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 4:04 PM

I am not looking forward to it, hopefully I have a decade or more until I have to suffer.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Me either. I once worked for a couple who owned a restaurant. The woman was going through it and kept walking into the large freezer while having a hot flash.

My mother had it bad too. She had breast cancer and not only did the medicine make it worse for her, she also couldn’t take any medicine that would help for five years after her last breast cancer treatment. She’s tough though, despite appearances.

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 4:05 PM

They have destroyed the martial spirit necessary to protect oneself and one’s country.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM

I’m not so sure about this proposition

Plenty of men are still signing up for service

We have a whole culture of violence in America, where teens videotape themselves beating the ever loving hell out of one another.

I don’t think people have been emasculated. It’s more of stupified

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Two factors make this gathering different.

- Heated demonstrations

- Officials on greater alert to protect POTUS

Black Yoshi on August 18, 2009 at 12:42 PM

The Phoenix gathering was not “heated” in tone, as you incorrectly assert.

You must have missed listening to Robert Kessler stumping the “greater threat” book. He admitted that the greater threat he hears from the Secret Service is the fault of the Department of Homeland Security. The SS chafes under DHS for the obvious implication. DHS (not the Secret Service) now administers protocol for the SS that cuts safety corners. Kessler keeps referencing the removal of metal detectors from the entries to presidential addresses, ordered by the politicians and their staff, and enforced against the traditional protocol. He also mentions VP Biden not wearing the bullet proof vest when beginning the baseball game delivering the opening ball pitch. Kessler mentions the DHS redistribution of funds, cutting the SS budget. As to the hype to sell his opportunistic book claiming the radical increase of violent threats to Obama, Gibbs dismissed that claim, saying that the White House administration suffers no more danger than the previous administration. Kessler admitted that himself on his Coast To Coast interview.

Finally, the gathering was not limited to protesting HR3200. Obama made his pitch to augment federal powers and curtail civil liberties regarding arms.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 4:07 PM

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

There are several things MadCon will not let you say wrong things about:
1) The second amendment
2) His sweet gaming computer.
3) Gun terminology

It’s his way of showing he cares. (/tongue slightly in cheek)

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM

It’s very true that men nowadays suffer from the same herd mentality, or socialistic policy making. But I think feminisim has effectively silenced or “emasculated” men. I think they attempt to destroy manly qualities of courage, individualism, stoicism, independence, even the will to fight and kill in wartime. They have destroyed the martial spirit necessary to protect oneself and one’s country.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM

You have serious sexual identity issues. Not all men are wimped out and I know a lot of really strong women. There is nothing wrong with a woman being nurturing and strong. I happen to find men attractive that show emotion.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM

I am not looking forward to it, hopefully I have a decade or more until I have to suffer.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Me either. I once worked for a couple who owned a restaurant. The woman was going through it and kept walking into the large freezer while having a hot flash.

My mother had it bad too. She had breast cancer and not only did the medicine make it worse for her, she also couldn’t take any medicine that would help for five years after her last breast cancer treatment. She’s tough though, despite appearances.

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Fortunately, my Mom’s case hasn’t been that awful. She’s uncomfortable, but very open about it (she’s the one woman in a family of 5 *ouch). Anyway, we (her sons and husband) try to be understanding – and we just joke when we have to have the AC on high (even though all 4 of us are freezing).

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Interesting. I’ve been saying that I think this has been a lot of hype. If the President were truly being threatened at levels greater than the previous one, or more than normal, the protocol would be to lay low, and not go out campaigning.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM

2) His sweetSUH-WEET gaming computer.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM

FIFY

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 4:04 PM

I think the gun ranges MadCon frequents are scary places full of unfriendly people who backhand you if you don’t use the exactly correct terminology.

I prefer friendly places that hold your hand and sing “kumbaya” as you send projectiles down range.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 4:10 PM

You have serious sexual identity issues. Not all men are wimped out and I know a lot of really strong women. There is nothing wrong with a woman being nurturing and strong. I happen to find men attractive that show emotion.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM

I agree.

ladyingray on August 18, 2009 at 4:10 PM

You mean
MEANopause?

/hide

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Sexism tongue in cheek?

Give us a good enlarged prostate joke. Equal opportunity bashing.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Anyway, we (her sons and husband) try to be understanding – and we just joke when we have to have the AC on high (even though all 4 of us are freezing).

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM

My husband gripes about the temperature of our house too. Man up.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:11 PM

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM

LOL. Much obliged.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 4:11 PM

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Well, BB probably won’t be able to pee regularly in several decades so the joke is on him…and all the rest of us men too.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 4:12 PM

My husband gripes about the temperature of our house too. Man up.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:11 PM

When you live alone, you can set the thermo where you want AND turn on all the ceiling fans.

Heaven…

ladyingray on August 18, 2009 at 4:12 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Just more manipulation from on high.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 4:12 PM

My husband gripes about the temperature of our house too. Man up.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Heh

We used to gripe, but now that we know it’s getting worse (sounds morbid…), we just laugh it off :)

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Troll Invasion on the Beck thread. Terry Silver is back, also if anyone is feeling frisky.

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM

When you live alone, you can set the thermo where you want AND turn on all the ceiling fans.

Heaven…

ladyingray on August 18, 2009 at 4:12 PM

That does sound tempting. Now what about the remote control?

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Just more manipulation from on high.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 4:12 PM

With a little help from their media friends.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Troll Invasion on the Beck thread. Terry Silver is back, also if anyone is feeling frisky.

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM

I don’t have the energy (at the moment) to deal with Silverback.

I’ll have to charge up.

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 4:14 PM

That does sound tempting. Now what about the remote control?

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM

You never have to share it.

ladyingray on August 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Troll Invasion on the Beck thread. Terry Silver is back, also if anyone is feeling frisky.

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Silver’s no fun now that he’s outed himself as a typical liberal troll. The fact that I know he’s from Sun Prairie kills it, too.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM

It takes roughly 20 seconds to explain the difference, except to people who value ignorance. Let me know when you aren’t so steadfast on your value of willful ignorance.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Honestly, I assure you I have been around guns longer then you…I know the difference, but the terms around “camp” are interchangeable, I have had maybe in 50+ years someone “correct” me out in the field, most get laughed at.
In the military, or police, or a gunsmith, no problem, out hunting with the boys, trust me, being pretentious is good for one hunt, only one.
Get off you high horse, you don’t know as much as you think…if you don’t know when someone says hand me that clip, and you stare at them because that confuses you…find a new hobby.
Guess what, I call my tennis racquet, my “stick” that would drive you nuts…I even say “duece” when it is 30 all…and guess what, I have even walked into a store a bought a box of bullets, not cartridges, but then you use that term also.
But what do you do when you need to order a 40 cal vs. a 10mm, same cartridge but different bullet….
Meanwhile, I am loading my clips, I might go hunting this weekend taking all my guns, and a lot of bullets…

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM

I happen to find men attractive that show emotion.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM

I do as well… to a certain extent. I love it that my husband’s cried in front of me but mostly because I can count the number of times he’s done so on one hand even though we’ve been together for nine years.

Though he made me look heartless at our wedding.

Fortunately, my Mom’s case hasn’t been that awful. She’s uncomfortable, but very open about it (she’s the one woman in a family of 5 *ouch). Anyway, we (her sons and husband) try to be understanding – and we just joke when we have to have the AC on high (even though all 4 of us are freezing).

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM

The only woman? That is tough. My mom never complained much and never messed with the thermostat, but she would turn up the A/C in the car and stick her face in it. She’s always kinda cute about it.

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM

You never have to share it.

ladyingray on August 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Not even with the couch cushions?

Ah… this summer’s been great – Roomie not hear so I have the remote all to myself ;)

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM

I don’t think people have been emasculated. It’s more of stupified

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Both.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Both.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 4:17 PM

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 4:16 PMEsthier on August 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Is this the same thread?

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 4:17 PM

The only woman? That is tough. My mom never complained much and never messed with the thermostat, but she would turn up the A/C in the car and stick her face in it. She’s always kinda cute about it.

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Yeah, my mom does the same in the car – makes for some frigid car rides…

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 4:17 PM

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