Video: People bringing assault rifles to Obama rallies now

posted at 7:51 pm on August 17, 2009 by Allahpundit

And maybe not just people on the anti-Obama side, either. CNN reports seeing at least two AR-15s at today’s event in Arizona, one of which was carried by a guy standing among those waving “Reform Now” signs.

As I’ve said before, it’s a security risk and a de facto provocation to the other side. And having the right to do it is no more of a justification than bringing porn to a meeting with the president would be. Exit question: Why?

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…I’d never thought I’d say “no” to any woman.

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:41 PM

There’s a limit? :-(

AsianGirlInTights on August 18, 2009 at 2:45 PM

The median age here must be about 19 years.

Well I’m 22. Who’s the 16 year-old?

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:45 PM

There’s a limit? :-(

AsianGirlInTights on August 18, 2009 at 2:45 PM

I guess so!

Nah

I’d probably kiss Atheling if she let me

But I’d eat a ton of garlic first.

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM

catlady on August 18, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Uhm…maybe not her.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM

It appears to be emotion driven, and so that is what I based my assessment on.

catlady on August 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM

That’s your opinion. Prove it.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Hey, I haven’t said anything bad about you.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:44 PM

I wasn’t referring to you, but to the LGF wannabe lizards here. They act like members of sophomoric high school clique.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Oh please, just because you are getting beat upon…

catlady on August 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM

I mean, a LOT of garlic.

Raw garlic

Just superfluous amounts of raw garlic

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Excuse me, but what the hell have I done to you? Are you another member of this high school circle jerk?

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM

…and you are talking about being classy?

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Great link. Thanks

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM

These are good, spirited posters. You have been mean, and while I confess to needling Blatent Blue in a good natured way, I will not tolerate having LiG insulted. You have been the one behaving in a juvenile manner, although I do appreciate the 19 year-old compliment.

If you want to flirt with BB, that is your business, but please refrain from taking cheap shots at posters here.

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Hey, you’ll lower your cholesterol. Sounds like a plan, no?

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM

On the topic, we agree. You’re still a lunatic who agrees with people who want to take the vote away from women.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Excuse me, but what the hell have I done to you? Are you another member of this high school circle jerk?

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM

I have no problem with this actual comment

Just the person who said it, who lectures me about childish comments (which I no doubt engage in), then turns around and engages in it herself

Hey, you’ll lower your cholesterol. Sounds like a plan, no?

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Hm. You have a point there, my man

I need to find garlic beer. That would be capital!

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Where have I been mean? Do give me examples. I noticed that I asked catlady for examples of my “egregious” posts and she has yet to produce any.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Right back atcha!

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM

MadCon

It’s an opinion so by definetion it cannot be substantiated to any true extent. However, human observation does lead to the strong conclusion that those who bring attention to themselves are rarely proficient at what they claim to be proficient at.

Kinda like Atheling…

catlady on August 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Well according to Lima Golf (LG) last night, I am a traitor to America and not a “real” American.
(Shrug) It happens.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Dude!

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM

How’s that 2000 yard home treating you

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM

BTW, Laura, you seem to have missed the rude uncalled for posts by the high school squad here, in an attempt to flame me, and I have ignored them.

You are unjust.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM

I have not called anyone that here. Yet I’m being the “mean” one?

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM

do appreciate the 19 year-old compliment.

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM

yeah, I do too!

catlady on August 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I found a good video on firearms freedom pertaining to this situation:

Here.

The Dean on August 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Just need to find the sniper AR-15 to protect it with. man.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I tell you what. Loxodonta takes some time off and you guys just start misbehaving. LOL
This has to be the longest thread in a month.

kingsjester on August 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Guys, you are arguing with someone who’s name means “royalty”

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM

I didn’t choose my surname.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Just need to find the sniper AR-15 to protect it with. man.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM

You could have an encirclement of anti personnel mines around your home

That way, when the Zomb-pocalypse occurs, you’ll be okay

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM

This explains a lot!

ladyingray on August 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM

I didn’t choose my surname.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM

okay
thats all you need to say

then i retract my statement

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:52 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Well, things can be taken out of context. I personally haven’t seen you act too far out of line. (shrug)

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:52 PM

If you want to flirt with BB, that is your business, but please refrain from taking cheap shots at posters here.

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM

I think she’s just in a jealous rage because BB likes the other girls better.

AsianGirlInTights on August 18, 2009 at 2:52 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Well I could if I werent on a borrowed computer, so I will have to take the list of postings I have for you that I have compiled on my “fishy.gov” database and pasted them here another time.

Quit namecalling and lets debate passionately. Though the name calling does let off steam. I get slammed too, but so what? That’s part of it.

catlady on August 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM

I play COD 5 Zombie Nazi’s to practice for such an occasion.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM

BTW, Laura, you seem to have missed the rude uncalled for posts by the high school squad here, in an attempt to flame me, and I have ignored them.

You are unjust.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Just from the number of times you have mentioned high school, I am guessing you felt slighted. It is time to let that go…

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Well, things can be taken out of context. I personally haven’t seen you act too far out of line. (shrug)

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Read this entire thread. You will find that the high school squad are the guilty ones here. I have not addressed most of them, yet they continue to insult, badger and calumnize me.

These are not good people. No honor.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM

BB likes the other girls better.

AsianGirlInTights on August 18, 2009 at 2:52 PM

there’s a chance id still be friends with him/her

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I think this ar15 guy is an Obama supporter, I saw video where he was chantingt pro HellCare with the union goons!
Appears to me to be a NOI type.

el Vaquero on August 18, 2009 at 2:55 PM

AsianGirlInTights on August 18, 2009 at 2:52 PM

What do you know? Have you read the entire thread? You are also unjust.

Another High School Squadder.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:55 PM

ddressed most of them, yet they continue to insult, badger and calumnize me.

These are not good people. No honor.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM

you act so innocent, yet the only reason i remember you clearly is because of the way you acted on a thread many moons ago, insulting everyone in the very way you now lament over

I play COD 5 Zombie Nazi’s to practice for such an occasion.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM

I’ve only gotten to level 9, but i do not own the game

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:55 PM

These are not good people. No honor.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Ouch. I’m hurt.

ladyingray on August 18, 2009 at 2:56 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM

It gets that way. BB was being called some pretty nasty things last night as well.

Honestly, you kind of have to detach yourself from this a bit and not take it personally. I have a hard time with that myself.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:56 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:55 PM

On a lunch break one time me and a buddy got onto level 18. It was unreal. You need the laser pistol for that. Nothing else works.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:57 PM

BTW, Laura, you seem to have missed the rude uncalled for posts by the high school squad here, in an attempt to flame me, and I have ignored them.

You are unjust.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Oh, puh-leeeze. Do I need to link to more of your greatest hits? As I said, you have no place to whine about personal attacks.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Just from the number of times you have mentioned high school, I am guessing you felt slighted. It is time to let that go…

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Do please go back and read this entire thread. You will find that I never addressed these people; I have commented on topic; and they have been the ones to attempt a flamewar which I ignored.

You are making judgments without seeing the entire picture. High School Squad is accurate. Look at how they immediately assume I am the bad guy when they themselves have started the flaming. It’s immature, nasty, and the high school metaphore is apt. It’s right out of Mean Girls.

Vicious people.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:56 PM

I’ll be honest with ya’. I spoke my mind last night, and was attacked for it, so I got nasty right back. I shouldn’t have taken it personally, but I did, because the comments were intended to be taken personally.

I threw it right back slightly, but sometimes when you have a handful of people saying ridiculous things about you for simply saying what the man did was wrong, you can’t help but snarl

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Well, things can be taken out of context. I personally haven’t seen you act too far out of line. (shrug)

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Trust me…she’s been a troll extraordinaire, and thrown many a fit insulting others. She’s a true Palinista, as in personally attacking anyone who even doubts anything she does as unwise. As linked above, she also agreed with someone who wished we could go back to the time when women couldn’t vote.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:58 PM

In all seriousness, are you male or female?

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Honestly, you kind of have to detach yourself from this a bit and not take it personally. I have a hard time with that myself.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 2:56 PM

I have ignored them, as I am right now.

However, I do believe in the Burke quote, “There comes a time when forebearance ceases to be a virtue”.

Self defense is not a vice.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:00 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Don’t play the self defense card

You piled on with the people attacking me.

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM

It’s right out of Mean Girls.

Vicious people.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Grow up, asswipe.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 1:47 PM

And just remember…on this issue, atheling and I agree. I just still call a troll a troll.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM

The Dean on August 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Ron Paul?? Ron Paul?? He actually had some good points on this segment you posted, so thanks, though I am not in general a Paulite kinda gal.

But the other guy did make a point about what could happen if some nutcase decided to take the gun off the guy.

catlady on August 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM

LOL. It did get pretty hairy last night. I thought you did pretty good.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Which is fine, you are free do to that, Atheling. However, don’t whine about the consequences of your abandonment of forebearance

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM

In all seriousness, are you male or female?

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:00 PM

I am a woman. But I do not run with the “flock” so to speak. I believe that women need to develop manly virtue, in the classical sense, if they wish to be equals to (mature) men in politics, as Margaret Thatcher has.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Ninety percent of the time, I don’t take things personally. I do sometimes, and I shouldn’t, even if people are trying to make it personal.

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM

What do you know? Have you read the entire thread? You are also unjust.

Another High School Squadder.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 2:55 PM

I just seemed that way to me at first. But you’re right, I haven’t read the entire thread, so I apologize. Why are they bullying you?

AsianGirlInTights on August 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM

They have to master the manly arts?

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Why are they bullying you?

AsianGirlInTights on August 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Because I ignore them. They are attempting to get a rise out of me, hence my calling them “high schoolers”.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:04 PM

AsianGirl:

Oh, and apology accepted. I take back the accusation of your being “unjust”.

Thank you.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:04 PM

I just seemed that way to me at first. But you’re right, I haven’t read the entire thread, so I apologize. Why are they bullying you?

AsianGirlInTights on August 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM

AsianGirl, how do you know she is right?

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM

What manly virtue are you talking about?

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM

I believe that women need to develop manly virtue, in the classical sense, if they wish to be equals to (mature) men in politics, as Margaret Thatcher has.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM

But I have said for at least the last 20 years, that I would gladly give up my right to vote, if it would go back to when women weren’t allowed to vote.

Elisa on July 9, 2009 at 12:21 AM

Brava, well said.

I have been thinking that the rise of socialism in the West in the 20th century coincides with women’s suffrage.

atheling on July 9, 2009 at 12:49 AM

Hm.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Context…they would not allow an abortion at an Obama rally, on the sidewalk.
This is where the arguments go into la-la land.
Enlighten me all smart ass one!!!!!!!!!!

MES401067 on August 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM

BTW, Asian Girl, (and I’m an Asian girl too, btw), interesting that you call it “bullying”. You’re perceptive.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Note that Madison Conservative cherry picked. He did not post the entirety of either post he alluded to.

He is engaged in calumny.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM

I just seemed that way to me at first. But you’re right, I haven’t read the entire thread, so I apologize. Why are they bullying you?

AsianGirlInTights on August 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Mainly because in past, she’s been a considerable bully, with BB along with others.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM
LOL. It did get pretty hairy last night. I thought you did pretty good.

Rightwingguy on August 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM

No fair. The first night in eons I manage to get to bed at a reasonable hour, and BB gets all macho-ninja cowboy dude. Aw, and I missed it. Bummer.

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM

What possible justification could you give for taking away a woman’s right to vote? I believe that I have every bit of the ability to make sound decisions.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Mainly because in past, she’s been a considerable bully, with BB along with others.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM

More calumny.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Can’t we all just be frie-

no.

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Note that Madison Conservative cherry picked. He did not post the entirety of either post he alluded to.

He is engaged in calumny.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM

I first linked to the actual post. I wasn’t hiding anything. I excised one line from your post that was extraneous.

Also, you referenced her entire post, not some parts and not others. Therefore, you applauded the included portion.

You played this game back then, too. You’re a troll of the lowest order.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:08 PM

AsianGirl, how do you know she is right?

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM

I mean she’s right I didn’t read the entire thread and don’t have the full context, so I apologized. I don’t know if she’s right or wrong on the rest of it. I’m going back to try and catch up now.

AsianGirlInTights on August 18, 2009 at 3:08 PM

The only “heated” element at the PHX Obama rally was the solar power working on the pavement. The debates taking place, as noted from Madison Conservative’s video link, were all extremely polite with no high angst.

LOL, the guy stays armed because he can’t carry a policeman around all the time.

Some on this thread criticized the gun toter for being armed at a “health care” rally. They failed to read the text of Obama’s address to the veterans. IT WASN’T ON HEALTH CARE except in passing. It’s on arms, Congressional budget, and the role of our military.

Take note of a few points Obama made, some of which are pure disconnect.

Obama told the veterans that the U.S. didn’t choose to fight in Afghanistan but was forced to invade that country to stop future Sept. 11-style attacks. But the other week, Obama not only decreed jihad only righteous and good, but that there is no global war against terrorism.

Think twice when reading Obama’s pledge to ONLY commit our troops with a clear and concise agenda. Then read the laundry list of obligative mission tasks that Obama assigns our troops. Beyond being war fighters, they must be police, mayor, diplomat, negotiator, civilian adviser, teacher, utility service delivery man, and farmer. In the quote “they’ve run local governments and delivered water and electricity,” THE ABSENCE OF OIL SPEAKS VOLUMES. “No war for oil”–if it hadn’t been for the evil oil, the Iraqi war would have been as acceptable as the Afghan War. (If only Bush had known/snark.)

Obama’s address:

First, we have a solemn responsibility to always lead our men and women in uniform wisely. This starts with a vision of American leadership that recognizes that military power alone cannot be the first or only answer to the threats facing our nation.

We are a country of more than 300 million Americans. Less than one percent wears the uniform. And that one percent—our soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and Coast Guardsmen—have borne the overwhelming burden of our security. In fact, perhaps never in American history have so few protected so many.

Forces trained for war have been called upon to perform a whole host of missions. Like mayors, they’ve run local governments and delivered water and electricity. Like aid workers, they’ve mentored farmers and built new schools. Like diplomats, they’ve negotiated agreements with tribal sheikhs and local leaders.

The responsibility for our security must not be theirs alone. That is why I have made it a priority to enlist all elements of our national power in defense of our national security—our diplomacy and development, our economic might and our moral example. Because one of the best ways to lead our troops wisely is prevent the conflicts that cost American blood and treasure tomorrow.

I will not hesitate to use force to protect the American people or our vital interests. And there is nothing more sobering than signing a letter of condolence to the family of serviceman or woman who has given their life for our country.

That is why I have made this pledge to our armed forces: I will only send you into harm’s way when it is absolutely necessary. When I do, it will be based on good intelligence and guided by a sound strategy. And I will give you a clear mission, defined goals and the equipment and support you need to get the job done.

[Strike "in" with "from, out of" to be accurate:]
By moving forward in Iraq, we’re able to refocus on the war against al Qaeda and its extremist allies in Afghanistan and Pakistan. That is why I announced a new, comprehensive strategy in March. This strategy recognizes that al Qaeda and its allies had moved their base to the remote, tribal areas of Pakistan. This strategy acknowledges that military power alone will not win this war—that we also need diplomacy and development and good governance. And our new strategy has a clear mission and defined goals—to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al Qaeda and its extremist allies.

In the months since, we’ve begun to put this comprehensive strategy into action. And in recent weeks, we’ve seen our troops do their part. They’ve have gone into new areas—taking the fight to the Taliban in villages and towns where residents have been terrorized for years. They’re adopting new tactics, knowing that it’s not enough to kill extremists and terrorists; we also need to protect the Afghan people and improve their daily lives. And today, our troops are helping to secure polling places for this week’s election so Afghans can choose the future they want.

These new efforts have not been without a price. The fighting has been fierce. More Americans have given their lives. And as always, the thoughts and prayers of every American are with those who make the ultimate sacrifice in our defense.

As I said when I announced this strategy, there will be more difficult days ahead. The insurgency in Afghanistan didn’t just happen overnight. And we won’t defeat it overnight. This will not be quick. This will not be easy.

But we must never forget. This is not a war of choice. This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is fundamental to the defense of our people.

Going forward, we will constantly adapt our tactics to stay ahead of the enemy and give our troops the tools and equipment they need to succeed. And at every step of the way, we will assess our efforts to defeat al Qaeda and its extremist allies, and to help the Afghan and Pakistani people build the future they seek.

Even as we lead and equip our troops for the missions of today, we have a third responsibility to fulfill. We must prepare our forces for the missions of tomorrow.

Our soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and Coast Guardsmen adapt to new challenges everyday. But as we all know, much of our defense establishment has yet to fully adapt to the post-Cold War world, with doctrine and weapons better suited to fight the Soviets on the plains of Europe than insurgents in the rugged terrain of Afghanistan. Twenty years after the Cold War ended, this is not simply unacceptable. It is irresponsible. And our troops and taxpayers deserve better.

That is why our defense review is taking a top-to-bottom look at our priorities and posture, questioning conventional wisdom, rethinking old dogmas and challenging the status quo. We’re asking hard questions about the forces we need and the weapons we buy. And when we’re finished, we’ll have a new blueprint for the 21st century military we need. In fact, we’re already on our way.

We’re adopting new concepts—because the full spectrum of challenges demands a full range of military capabilities—the conventional and the unconventional, the ablilty to defeat both the armored division and the lone suicide bomber; the Intercontinental Ballistic Missile and the Improvised Explosive Device; 18th-century-style piracy and 21st century cyber threats. No matter the mission, we must maintain America’s military dominance.

So even as we modernize our conventional forces, we’re investing in the capabilities that will reorient our force of the future: an Army that is more mobile and expeditionary and missile defenses that protect our troops in the field; a Navy that not only projects power across the oceans but operates nimbly in shallow, coastal waters; an Air Force that dominates the airspace with next-generation aircraft—manned and unmanned; a Marine Corps that can move ashore more rapidly in more places. And across the force, we’re investing in new skills and specialties. Because in the 21st century, military strength will be measured not only by the weapons our troops carry, but by the languages they speak and the cultures they understand.

But here’s the simple truth. We can’t build the 21st century military we need—and maintain the fiscal responsibility that Americans demand—unless we fundamentally reform the way our defense establishment does business. It’s a simple fact. Every dollar wasted in our defense budget is a dollar we can’t spend to care for our troops, protect America or prepare for the future.

You know the story. The indefensible no-bid contracts that cost taxpayers billions and make contractors rich. The special interests and their exotic projects that are years behind schedule and billions over budget. The entrenched lobbyists pushing weapons that even our military says it doesn’t want. The impulse in Washington to protect jobs back home building things we don’t need at a cost we can’t afford. [Obama rips off Gates' "exquisite" F-30 into "exotic".]

This waste would be unacceptable at any time. But at a time when we’re fighting two wars and facing a serious deficit, it’s inexcusable. It’s unconscionable. It’s an affront to the American people and to our troops. And it’s time for it to stop.

[He just references the F-22 a waste, outdated, too expensive--it's not even tested yet]
Already, I’ve put an end to unnecessary no-bid contracts. I signed bipartisan legislation to reform defense procurement so weapons systems don’t spin out of control. And even as we increase spending on the equipment and weapons our troops do need, we have proposed cutting tens of billions of dollars in waste we don’t need.

Think about it. Hundreds of millions of dollars for an alternate second engine for the Joint Strike Fighter—when one reliable engine will do just fine. Nearly two billion dollars to buy more F-22 fighter jets when we can move ahead with a fleet of newer, more affordable aircraft. Tens of billions of dollars to put an anti-missile laser on a fleet of vulnerable 747s.

[F-35 OUT PERFORMED EVERY OTHER AIRCRAFT BAR NONE!]
If a system doesn’t perform, we will terminate it.

Those with access to the Air Force magazine know well the deceit passing as concern from Gates, Obama and Congress regarding the criticism to “modernize” and get past the Cold War. I’m sure that other educated researchers have exposed what’s happening, as well.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:09 PM

What possible justification could you give for taking away a woman’s right to vote? I believe that I have every bit of the ability to make sound decisions.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM

You’ve been hit by the drive by media aka Madison Conservative.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:09 PM

You’ve been hit by the drive by media aka Madison Conservative.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:09 PM

yep, that’s good ol’ Mad Con

He actually dates Katie Couric.

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:10 PM

MAGAZINE!!!

MAGAZINE, MAGAZINE, MAGAZINE!!!

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 1:35 PM

CLIP. CLIP, CLIP!!!

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Okay. I like you, though you seem to be more popular with the men around here.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM

“modernize” and get past the Cold War. I’m sure that other educated researchers have exposed what’s happening, as well.

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:09 PM

If they want to modernize, it would be nice if they provided summer uniforms to our troops in fiery hot Iraq and Afghanistan.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:12 PM

More calumny here, AGIT.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:12 PM

I cannot work and post at the same time. AsianGirl, that was meant for you.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:13 PM

What possible justification could you give for taking away a woman’s right to vote? I believe that I have every bit of the ability to make sound decisions.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Now she’s going to tell you that she obviously wasn’t praising the idea of women being stripped of the right to vote…even though in that same post she blamed women’s suffrage for socialism.

Isn’t it fun? We dealt with this a while ago, and now you can join the party!

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:13 PM

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Congratulations! You’re now the Worst Person in the World.

TO MADISON, long may he live!

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 3:14 PM

CLIP. CLIP, CLIP!!!

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM

I hope you get run over by Obama’s bus.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Lol, Mad Con is unable to distinguish between satire and serious commentary.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Congratulations! You’re now the Worst Person in the World.

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 3:14 PM

An honor.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:10 PM

I thought atheling was Katie Couric???

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Since the guy carrying the AR-15 in this picture is black, I think that any criticism of him, and by extension any town hall protester carrying a gun, is racist.

WarEagle01 on August 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Lol, Mad Con is unable to distinguish between satire and serious commentary.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM

In the thread I originally linked, so that everyone could see all the context, you sure seem to keep that “satire” going, post after post.

I guess you’re like the Daily Kos, now. If you say something and people don’t like it, it’s “satire”.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM

I thought atheling was Katie Couric???

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM

oops

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Ed appreciates you getting him off the hot seat.

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM

I thought atheling was Katie Couric???

Laura in Maryland on August 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM

She’s why they created ball gags. After that, it’s a blast!

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Twenty years after the Cold War ended, this is not simply unacceptable. It is irresponsible.

The simply unacceptable and irresponsible preparations Obama references is our military’s readiness to carry on warfare on two fronts WITH resources to respond to a surprise attack.

We deserve better than that?! Cutting our military budget provides better national defense?!

maverick muse on August 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Lol, Mad Con is unable to distinguish between satire and serious commentary.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM

you just have to use the /sarc

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:17 PM

The etiquette here prefers members to use the /sarc designation when signaling statements made in jest

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Madison Conservative believes that any criticism of women’s voting habits automatically means that women should not vote.

If one cannot criticize weaknesses or faults, those problems will never be addressed and corrected.

As a woman, I do believe that women tend towards socialism, as it’s not called the “nanny state” for nothing. I stand by my comment and criticism.

Until women are able to overcome their “herd” instinct, and understand and embrace the loneliness inherent in leadership roles, they will never be able to be effective leaders.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM

First time I’ve ever agreed with allahpundit. The end of the world must be near.

rlwo2008 on August 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Once again, Madison Conservative and his ilk prove that one cannot have a discussion unless it meets their politically correct agenda.

Apparently, in their world, one is not allowed to discuss or criticize the deficits in women’s thinking when it comes to politics. They jump to conclusions and make straw men arguments instead of engaging in an honest debate.

Unless the problems are brought to light, they will remain problems, and the rest of the country suffers. Until women realize that many of their own sex are severely lacking in objectivity, an understanding of this country’s principles, and a sense of responsibility for their own lives, they will continue to vote for a nanny state government.

atheling on July 9, 2009 at 12:25 PM

More “satire”.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Women are perfectly capable of leading. They are leaders in the home.

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Auto loaders, Semi-autos, which do you use?
In informal conversation, clip=magazines, guns=firearms, bullets=cartridges, not a big deal except to nit-pickers.

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM

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