Poll: Should Vick play in the NFL again?
posted at 12:51 pm on August 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
While I was in Pittsburgh for the Right Online conference, the Philadelphia Eagles announced that they had signed former NFL star and ex-convict Michael Vick to a contract that could pay as much as $7 million. Vick had just been released a few weeks earlier from his sentence in federal court on charges surrounding a dog-fighting ring. Stories of horrible cruelties to the dogs involved have circulated for years, including electrocution and drowning of dogs that would not fight to the standards involved in the disgusting practice.
Needless to say, in a city that loves the Steelers, the decision by the Eagles to bring Vick onto their team was a hot topic. Even among the people at the conference, it became a conversation piece. One political reporter chatted with me about it and his former support for the Eagles — and how he was now considering life as a Steeler fan as a consequence of the decision. Others had more visceral reactions, and almost no one supported the Eagles’ decision or the league lifting its ban on Vick.
Yesterday, Vick tried to explain himself on 60 Minutes in an interview with James Brown, taking full responsibility for his actions and impressing on viewers that he learned his lesson. For those who say that his involvement with dogfighting showed a lack of moral courage, Vick says, “I agree”:
The New York Times’ NFL blog, Fifth Down, interviews a couple of people to judge Vick’s sincerity in this interview. Both seem to feel that Vick meant what he said and feels true contrition, although FD notes that this is impossible to know with certainty. However, that’s not really the issue here anyway.
Michael Vick committed a series of crimes, including terrible cruelty to animals unable to protect themselves from him and his co-conspirators. He got convicted of those crimes, and did his time without complaint. He has to abide by the terms of his release. What he thinks in his head doesn’t matter at this point, just as why he got involved in it in the first place is immaterial to the crimes themselves — a point Vick makes himself in the interview.
Vick paid the price for his crimes, as determined by the court. His crime didn’t involve the NFL or the games on the field — unlike, say, gambling on his own team might have involved the NFL. Now that Vick has been released, he should have an opportunity to earn a living. If an NFL team sees him and his talent as a net gain as balanced against his reputation, then the two of them should be able to contract for his services. Of course, fans can also vote with their feet. If football fans don’t like Michael Vick, they can avoid buying tickets to Eagles games, or jeer Vick and the Eagles on the field when they appear. That’s perfectly legitimate, too.
I think the NFL did the right thing by lifting the ban after Vick’s release. I’m not especially supportive of the Eagles’ decision to pay Vick to play football per se, but I definitely believe they should not have been blocked from doing so.
What do you think? Watch the interview and cast your vote:









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I’d break his arms and legs and leave him in the Australian outback for wild dogs to eat.
Jeff from WI on August 17, 2009 at 8:01 PM
And last time I checked, being a creep was a lesser offense than murder. I’m surprised you can’t find forgiveness in your heart for him.
Ronnie on August 17, 2009 at 8:04 PM
A lot more – like integrity, honesty. But you are trying to judge him on levels that have no legal standing. You might not like him but his animal cruelty and conviction are legal matters and the law was served in his case. If he screws up again then the law comes into play again. You can have a personal opinion all you want and act on your opinion by staying away from the NFL but that is all you can do.
dpierson on August 17, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Yes, and he is free and earning millions – those are the facts –so if you want to do something useful then adopt a dog and make sure you treat him well.
dpierson on August 17, 2009 at 8:06 PM
I do forgive him and I hope he can do something about dog fighting. Sometimes the converts are the most effective missionaries.
My point in this entire thread is that certain dog-lovers are often unbalanced and equate or elevate violence against animals to that done to humans. I find that sick and them sad.
dpierson on August 17, 2009 at 8:08 PM
Yeah, and who would want to consider such things when hiring someone?
No kidding, Sherlock. We’re talking about the NFL’s decision to hire him.
Ronnie on August 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Dog-fighting rings are, by their nature, criminal enterprises against people.
I seem to recall a lot of outrage about Tim Geithner and Obama’s other tax-cheat appointees being elevated to high-paying positions in their fields and I don’t recall that any of those folks were convicted.
How much of their earnings off of their gambling, drug sales, and weapons sales do you think Vick and his pals reported to the IRS?
Y-not on August 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM
That has a lot to do with the issue at hand./sarc
I bet plenty of you have not thought twice about Rick Petino.
Go ahead boycott the NFL . More tickets for me
Get a life. he paid his dues and the “victims” were not human. GO VEGAN if this upsets you so much
CWforFreedom on August 17, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Not if you wouldn’t hire him yourself.
Ronnie on August 17, 2009 at 8:12 PM
It seems Tony Dungy thinks he is worth it. I trust Dungy more than almost anyone here.
CWforFreedom on August 17, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Makes little difference to me if a living thing can talk or not. Fetuses can’t talk either, but I know a lot of people here think they are worth protecting.
Scrappy on August 17, 2009 at 8:14 PM
You can save the sarcasm, because it has everything to do with how remorseful he was about committing a crime. He was so broken up about it, he committed another crime while he was waiting for the trial for his first crime. Some of you talk about second chances; we’re on third chance minimum here.
Ronnie on August 17, 2009 at 8:14 PM
He speaks highly of you as well.
Ronnie on August 17, 2009 at 8:16 PM
What tripe. We should all set our moral compass to line up the that smart fella over there!
Limerick on August 17, 2009 at 8:20 PM
I met Tony Dungy in Tampa and I couldn’t even begin to guess how trustworthy he is. God only knows what you can figure out from his win-loss record.
Ronnie on August 17, 2009 at 8:24 PM
He should spend the rest of his miserable life working in animal shelters cleaning up.
He’s a punk, his brother is a punk. Put a suit on him, give him a public relation script, he’s still a punk.
Hammerhead on August 17, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Ronnie , you are one level headed person/sarc
I never said they were not worth protecting. Interesting how this topic has made more than a few insane. I find solace in the fact that most people think he deserves a chance.
CWforFreedom on August 17, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Maybe you should listen to Dungy speak and then would see what most reasonable people see in him. Yes he deserves far more respect in his thoughts about VICK than you do . There is no doubt about that and no sarcasm in the least bit. Go ahead and boycott. I will love it. More and cheaper tickets for me. God this world is insane. Enough of this I will let the asylum be.
CWforFreedom on August 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM
I care what you think of me personally /sarc.
Ronnie on August 17, 2009 at 8:33 PM
he sounds so rehearsed.
gannak on August 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Hey, some people idolize their pets; some people idolize professional football coaches. I don’t see how one group could complain about the other.
Ronnie on August 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM
All I can say is that I’ve met few dogs I did not like; I cannot say the same about people.
Disturb the Universe on August 17, 2009 at 8:46 PM
721 posts. I think Palin should get a puppy and then she’d be unstoppable.
Chris_Balsz on August 17, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Yes, a black lab puppy. Everyone loves a lab.
Jeff from WI on August 17, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Vick is a punk. He isn’t sorry. He’d still be killing and hurting dogs if they hadn’t caught him. He looks about as sincere as Ted saying I’m sorry to Mary Jo’s family.
Jeff from WI on August 17, 2009 at 9:07 PM
I don’t have a dog in this fight.
/ducks under desk.
Wow, lighten up people!
Vick did his time, and will continue to pay a price as a public figure probably until he retires from the NFL.
Donte Stallworth, on the other hand, killed a man while driving drunk, and was basicly handed a “get out of jail free” card. In our state, a similar offense resulted in a 6 year jail term for a convicted drunk driver who killed a 20 year old college student.
I know, it’s the old double standard for the chosen few, such as highly paid athletes and of course, well connected politicians.
“When will they ever learn,
when will they ev-er learn?”
Sadly, never.
Sweet_Thang on August 17, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Let’s not forget Leonard Little. A precedent will have to be set with Stallworth & revise the moral clause. Until that is in place, banning Vick is a mute point.
ackrite55 on August 17, 2009 at 9:35 PM
This from someone who was there pretty much sums it up for me:
starfleet_dude on August 17, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Sweet_Thang on August 17, 2009 at 9:07 PM
The thing I’d say about the guy who drove drunk is he probably didn’t mean to hurt someone.
Vick did.
He is a sadistic bastard.
May he rot in Hell.
Disturb the Universe on August 17, 2009 at 9:45 PM
The HUMAN ones sure are. That’s why I’m more likely to attend an Eagles game than a Louisville Cards basketball game. At least Vick made an effort to apologize and claimed responsibility. As long as he stays clean, it is now between him and God. The good Catholic, coach Pitino of Louisville, on the other hand, would like us to believe he was only buying the bimbo he cheated on his wife with some insurance. Riiight…
Did I just miss the poll on whether Pitino should be fired?
pannw on August 17, 2009 at 9:49 PM
I found this at American Thinker. My apologies to the Author
but he says everything I am trying to articulate in this fit of rage I am experiencing.
“He paid his debt to society” is a detestable phrase. I cringe every time I hear it.
I’m not focusing on Michael Vick, a man who delighted in savage cruelty to imprisoned animals and now wants the slate wiped clean. All the beneficiaries of this fictional ledger keeping are criminals. Often they committed more than one crime, diligently trying to avoid discovery. There was nothing in their hearts to make them stop on their own. After being caught they lie. They are given a trial where lawyers can use the generous technicalities of the law to their clients favor and avoid punishment.
Trials and sentences are about punishment not redemption. Incarceration is not a bizarre installment plan to pay off a moral balance. That isn’t possible. The crime is not undone. The victims are not uninjured. The effects of crime on the innocent are everlasting.
People like to muse about what they would do differently if they had their lives to live over again. A futile exercise. We can’t cancel out what’s been done. There’s no going back other than through our conscience. Our past incorporates into our conscience to determine what we will do tomorrow. We are judged everyday by others and by ourselves. This is what keeps a lot of people from committing crimes in the first place.
The law-abiding who are successful as a result of hard work are constantly told they owe a debt to society. Their nebulous debt has no limit, no expiration date. Why should we be less demanding when it comes to criminals?
Burn in Hell, Vick
Wolfen on August 17, 2009 at 9:50 PM
As someone who volunteers at my local animal shelter, I suggest anyone voting for conVick being on my Eagles, or back in the NFL at all, go to your local shelter and ask to see the “bait” animals, look into their eyes and then tell me conVick should be rewarded with another NFL contract. I worked with drug addicted teens long enough to know people don’t change, and after watching him on 60 minutes last night, through sobbing tears, I could see in his face no remorse. I am the farthest thing from being a bleeding heart liberal, but am someone who cherishes all life, two legs or four.
As a die-hard Eagles fan who has watched since I was a little girl, who has rearranged my entire adult life for more than 25 years to make sure I never missed a game, it pains me to have to not watch what I eagerly anticipate every year, and spend so much time thinking this is going to be the year we win the Superbowl, I am saddened by this. I know it is my choice (and surprisingly my family feels the same way, even the men)to not watch my team for two years, but I cannot in good conscious do anything that could possibly lead to profit for him or my Eagles. Even if I tried, all I will be able to think about are the pictures of the mangled dogs and the horribly brutal massacre they experienced at his and his cohorts hands.
Of course we are all entitled to our own opinion and nor do I begrudge Mr. Vick a livelihood, but I don’t think it should be in the NFL-especially if there are any impressionable kids that may look up to him. He was never that great a QB anyway. Once a thug always a thug. He would be a great fit in BHO’s administration!
Just sayin’.
margategop517 on August 17, 2009 at 9:52 PM
margategop517 on August 17, 2009 at 9:52 PM
I applaud you.
Disturb the Universe on August 17, 2009 at 9:55 PM
If you or I went to prison for this felony, could you or I ever work in our industries again? So then, why do you cut him slack? Why do you treat him as a better huamn being than you ro I?
paulsur on August 17, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Who’s Michael Vick?
Cody Baker on August 17, 2009 at 10:00 PM
I hate what he did. But, I also think we have to respect that he was punished according to our law and he takes responsibility. Makes sense to give him a chance. No he doesn’t DESERVE a chance – we have all been given grace when we didn’t deserve at one time or another. Usually not in this extreme of a manner. But, it is worth a try. Dungy and that other coach are good men. Vicks has a unique opportunity to remake his life. It’d be wonderful if he makes the most of it. If he doesn’t, well, no one has lost anything but him. But, if he makes the most of this opportunity everyone wins, he does, the sport does and society does.
Minorcan Maven on August 17, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Not me. Background checks are everywhere.
I’m not an animal rights activist but people who abuse animals belong in the same level of hell reserved for those who abuse children. Both are defenseless.
And while I’m not (thankfully) an Eagles fan I will not be watching the Bears-Eagles game on 11/22. It’ll have zero financial impact on the NFL/Bears/Eagles/Vick but I just can’t watch.
alilianstrom on August 17, 2009 at 10:41 PM
I remember his and his little brother’s days at Va. Tech. Those boys could flat out play football. They had God given talent, and were exciting to watch. Frank Beamer & Blacksburg still have not gotten over the Vick brothers. I live about 90 minutes NW of Blacksburg, and I-81 traffic would slow down clear up here whenever there was a home game.
I’m torn, I’ll admit it. I loved watching Michael Vick play, but I wanted to shoot him myself when I heard of him mistreating those dogs. I wonder how they managed to keep it quiet as long as they did with Marcus getting into trouble every other week like he was back then.
I truly hope he has changed his heart and can find redemption. He’ll stand before the throne just like the rest of us, and it’s not up to me to judge him any further. Let him play. We all have much more to worry about trying to survive Zero and his evil side-kicks in the White House & Congress. Go…and sin no more.
graywaiter on August 17, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Well said! I, for one, wish him success with his recovery and career.
On the other hand, I guess all of us will be watching to see if MV remains committed to the “straight and narrow” path.
SicSemperTyrannus on August 17, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Should Vick play in the NFL again?
Why not, The Kennedy clan continues to play politics.
gbear on August 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM
As I have 4 boston terriers, I can never forgive Michael Vick. God will have to do that.
Mini-14 on August 17, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Well, not everyone — there’s the guy who got cut from the roster to make room for him.
Ronnie on August 17, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Thanks Disturb the Universe! I know being Catholic I have to forgive him. I do in my head, but not in my heart.
margategop517 on August 17, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Speaking of bait animals (warning graphic picture and article) http://www.examiner.com/x-14461-Philadelphia-Pet-Health-Examiner~y2009m8d17-Dog-fighting-Could-your-pet-be-at-risk-of-ending-up-in-the-ring.
margategop517 on August 17, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Vick is a piece of garbage.
Yeah he served his time, he paid his debt. Now the guy gets a “do over” because Tony Dungee thinks he’s an alright guy?
The NFL and the Eagles did this purely for PR reasons – to bring some press and sensationalism, that’s it. He hasn’t played a down in what, three years? He’s being made a third stringer if I understand right. Why do this?
If Vick was truly “rehabilitated” he could make millions writing books and doing the lecture circuit and becoming an advocate. He had his opportunity to make something of himself in the NFL – he blew it.
catmman on August 17, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Just my two pennies.. Vick and his crew did not look at dogs as pets or friends but as instruments for making money and building up street cred. There is no personal affection or attachment. Hopefuly for him he has seen the error in his ways. I think he has paid the debt that the law deamed just. But his winning over support of the people will be a long time coming for some and never for some. He will have to deal with it every day. But I think he should get to go on with his life but earning back people’s respect will be harder for him now.
Dire Straits on August 17, 2009 at 11:25 PM
He’s only sorry he got caught. Total loser. I hope PETA haunts him for life. You don’t get to be a hero to children and torture animals. Great roll model.
ccbokc on August 17, 2009 at 11:56 PM
Pat Tillman is still unavailable for comment……….
Seven Percent Solution on August 18, 2009 at 12:05 AM
American Pit Bull Terriers are my favorite breed. His punishment should have been to face 5 of them in an UFC octagon. 5 Dogs Enter 1 man leaves. Even if in pieces.
Rambotito on August 18, 2009 at 12:14 AM
And your point is?
csdeven on August 18, 2009 at 12:15 AM
1) Isn’t there is a high correlation between animal torture and crimes such as arson and rape? Even by dog fighting standards, the the animals cruelty was extreme and unnecessary — he enjoyed the torture, pain and death he was inflicting.
2) Juxtapose the image the NFL is putting forth to children in our society by letting him back in, and, say, the image Coach K at Duke or Roy Williams at UNC project with their respective basketball teams.
3) Ask yourself: Is this the image of society and the message we want to send to impressionable young people who look up to sports figures just so we can watch someone with freakish running ability?
trollkiller on August 18, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Excuse the typo. And, my dog votes no.
trollkiller on August 18, 2009 at 12:20 AM
If only.
baldilocks on August 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM
He never should have gone to jail. Animal rights laws are ridiculous. They’re both “property” and “beings with rights” at the same time?
Right..
But Vick shouldn’t be allowed back in to play. While I don’t agree with animal rights laws, there should be a serious social stigma on harming animals, and professional athletes are supposed to be role models.
amkun on August 18, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Gedge on August 18, 2009 at 1:25 AM
Guess what Gedge, no offense, I am Philly born, Eagles raised and I am DONE! Like Trotter, I always said I bleed Eagles green and I have stuck with them through every stupid move they have made. I don’t like PETA’s tactics either, but there comes a point when you put faith in a team all your life, they constantly disappoint year-in, year-out and then they do something like this? We’ve had enough drama in Philly and he’s not worth going through any more. Every family member and a majority of my friends have also said “enough” and we are taking a two year break.
Like I said, go to your local shelter and ask to see the bait animals. If that doesn’t break a person’s heart, I don’t know what will.
margategop517 on August 18, 2009 at 1:37 AM
Why do people seem to assign more value to the life of a dog than to the life of a human?
Fed45 on August 18, 2009 at 1:50 AM
I mean, c’mon, how many wife beaters, thugs, crooks, and low lifes do way have playing in the NFL? I’d be willing to bet that half of the NFL players would be gang members if they weren’t in the NFL. Donte Stallworth gets 30 days in jail for manslaughter, and I’m sure he will be back on the field much sooner that Vick was. Leonard Little was convicted of manslaughter/drunk driving. Serves a whopping EIGHT GAME suspension. But you’d think Vick was the next Ted Bundy the way he’s being treated.
Fed45 on August 18, 2009 at 1:58 AM
How ’bout this? How about going to the funerals of the manslaughter victims of the NFL players that killed people due to recklessness and drunk driving? Or how about speaking with the wives and girlfriends of players that beat them? Sorry, but let’s put things in perspectives. As heartless as it sounds, I gotta a believe dogs are a bit more replacable than humans.
Fed45 on August 18, 2009 at 2:02 AM
Fed45 on August 18, 2009 at 2:06 AM
If you wish to reform criminals, you must let use their talents in the legal fields that they can preform well in. Give him another chance, and watch the SOB very carefully.
darktood on August 18, 2009 at 2:07 AM
But he sucks outloud as an NFL QB. He’s playing out of position there. He was likely on his way out of Atlanta regardless of what happened. His QB play does not fit the NFL. He cannot make the type of plays McNabb can. Sure he’s fast. But he cannot make an accurate throw if his life depended on it. He’s a gimmick QB, suited for a gimmick offense—like in Miami.
Fed45 on August 18, 2009 at 2:13 AM
You all just hate him because he’s black.
AaronGuzman on August 18, 2009 at 2:20 AM
Actually, he reminded me a lot of John Elway when I watched him play. He may not have been as good a passer as McNabb, but he definitely had scramble abilities, and could still make incredible plays.
KanakaConservative on August 18, 2009 at 2:21 AM
I don’t see anyone here saying that the life of a dog has more value than the life of a human. Some of us are just saying that anyone who tortures dogs is deserving of our contempt. And any of these players who are hitting their wives and girlfriends are also deserving of our contempt.
Rose on August 18, 2009 at 2:52 AM
Oh absolutely let him play. Michael vick shouldn’t have spent 1 day in jail because he didn’t do anything wrong. He tortured, abused, and killed wild animals–NOT dogs. A dog is a loveable, domesticated, pet. A pit bull terrier is a filthy, dangerous, killer that rips the faces off little kids just for fun. Pit bulls should be outlawed in every neighborhood. Big-ups to the Vick.
EMR on August 18, 2009 at 2:55 AM
Nonsense. Pit bull terriers are not any more vicious than any other breed of dog. But as a large powerful dog they must be trained.
darktood on August 18, 2009 at 3:56 AM
Not true. Both dogs I’ve had as an adult were BLACK Labs and I loved those dogs.
Jeff from WI on August 18, 2009 at 5:40 AM
I love it when someone defends a pit bull. So please, all you pit bull lovers, tell me where you live so I can move in next door to you. I have a full-grown pet bengal tiger, a lion, and a jaguar. They’re my pets and they’re all “properly trained.” I hope y’all don’t mind if they roam around my backyard when your kids are playing. After all, they’re just cats. *roll my eyes*
EMR on August 18, 2009 at 5:54 AM
It’s SIMPLE…All of those mentioned above should be banned…ALL of them.
Jeff from WI on August 18, 2009 at 6:58 AM
As a lifelong Eagles fan and a lifelong dog lover absolutely not. Michael Vick admitted he bankrolled a huge dog fighting gambling operation, but he insisits he took none of the gambling profits from his investment. …Personally I don’t believe him.
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philly_PA on August 18, 2009 at 7:07 AM
Waiting for Vick’s penance.
unclesmrgol on August 18, 2009 at 7:35 AM
As an Dog lover and Eagle fan I have an off the wall suggestion:
If Vick causes the Eagles to lose a game we douse him in water and tazer him.
.
philly_PA on August 18, 2009 at 7:43 AM
I guess you don’t understand the purpose of the bible (and I have to assume history)…do you think all those stories are just about the people in the bible, and they don’t apply to everyday life?
Is this what they teach in your church (if you go)?
Every time a pastor brings up a passage about some one in the bible, you are the type that says “That doesn’t apply to me, I’m just a “XYZ”, not leading God’s people”.
right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 7:53 AM
there were only a handful of NFL teams that were in cities that would support a dog killer. Philly is obviously one of them.
Jeff from WI on August 18, 2009 at 8:04 AM
You are both ignorant and heartless.
First, whether or not you think a pit bull is a wild animal does not in any way mitigate the brutality of Vick’s crime. He not only fought these animals, he tortured and killed them for his own sadistic pleasure. He was not part of some group to eradicate pit bull ownership.
His kind is why pit bulls have a bad rep. They deliberately inflict pain and starve their animals to make them mean. Vick added to this culture; he didn’t do anything to receive your mindless kudos.
I will not try to defend my pit to you or anyone else (but especially not to you because you quite clearly are a piece of excrement. But for the rest of the readers, I have owned a couple of pit bulls and know other pit owners who have had no problem.
However, regardless of your take on whether pitbull ownership should be legal or not, no animal should be tortured.
Disturb the Universe on August 18, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Vick supporters are the same morons that keep the rap/hip-hop/gangster crapola in the NFL alive.
Jeff from WI on August 18, 2009 at 9:31 AM
That, too.
Disturb the Universe on August 18, 2009 at 9:37 AM
I hope Vick brings a curse with him and the Eagles never win another game while he’s on their team.
Disturb the Universe on August 18, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Like the Cubs and their goat curse, I wish the Eagle Curse to last forever.
Jeff from WI on August 18, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Bah, no two thugs are created equal and second chances are not always deserved. Beating, torturing, starving, hanging and electrocuting dogs are not reformable behaviors – they are indicative of a deep-rooted evil, not just run ‘o the mill thuggery.
“mommy, if the Eagles come over, tell them we don’t have any dogs, ok?” My 5 year old solidified my position on the issue. Vick’s presence is very sad for the Philly ‘burb Eagles fans, where Eagles worship is a vital part of the family and community. My Philly kids will never wear Eagles gear so long as that manager and that player are part of that organization and they’re cool with it.
BetsyBoss on August 18, 2009 at 9:56 AM
Good for you.
Disturb the Universe on August 18, 2009 at 10:00 AM
The Little Rascals’ Petey was a pitbull. They must have done some sweet editing.
BetsyBoss on August 18, 2009 at 10:02 AM
I had (RIP)a pit that was Petey’s double almost. She was an absolute angel. My current one is sweet, too.
Disturb the Universe on August 18, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Vick being allowed to play, after helping murder and torture animals, is exactly why the NFL is a bag of shit and shall not be getting my money ever again.
Vick could never serve enough time as far as I’m concerned, he is an outright scumbag who should be consigned to the dustbin of history where he rightly belongs. POS.
Dino64 on August 18, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Dino64, I don’t recall any outrage from you over Daunte Stallworth…
Akzed on August 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Mr. Vick should not be barred from pursuing employment in the NFL. He has paid his penalty — a penalty that was far more severe than the crime. His judgement was terrible but the penalty for cruelty to animals should not have warranted more than a significant fine — certainly not jail time. The issue here is how we as a society have elevated animals in general and pets in particular to near human status. It is ironic that dogs and cats have more rights and protection under the law than unborn children.
jyeatman on August 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM
That’s a whole different subject.
Tell that to the electrocuted dogs.
(Who knew HotAir had so many people willing to defend a thug.)
Disturb the Universe on August 18, 2009 at 10:47 AM
I wasn’t posting here at the time which is why you can’t remember me writing anything about it.
My view on the Stallworth incident is that he should get life in prison with no hope for parole.
All the “punishments” he received were peacemeal if anything and not the kind of merciless hammering he should’ve got. Is that enough for you? I don’t think these super-rich dickheads should get any special treament. Ever. Lock ‘em up, throw away the key. Job done.
Dino64 on August 18, 2009 at 10:49 AM
I wasn’t posting here when Stallworth happened which is why you can’t remember me writing anything on the subject.
My take on Stallworth is that he should’ve gone to prison for life with no hope for parole. He killed someone. That’s enough for me. Taking it that way, Vince Neil should’ve gone to prison for killing the Hanoi Rocks guy, but money kept him out and receiving the peacemeal “punishments” that Vick has received.
Vick should be banned for good. This is why the NFL is the biggest pile of sh*t and will not be getting my money for the rest of my life.
Vick is a murderous thug and should be treated as such. Let him flip burgers for the rest of his life. He needs to fall that far and I’d turn up at whatever Jack in the Box to laugh at him and throw the burger back in his face. He is a scumbag.
Dino64 on August 18, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Of course he practiced for the 60 minuted interview, it was his coming out party, it does not mean he was insincere. Let’s see if he cam walk the talk.
FinianWarrior on August 18, 2009 at 10:57 AM
This is not the issue at all. Some people have elevated animals above the lives of the unborn I agree, but that is not the issue right here right now.
Animals do have rights and anyone that harms them, particularly in the vicious brutal way Vick did, then he should have his living completely taken away from him for good.
As I wrote earlier, let him flip burgers. He deserves no rights to come back to the NFL to earn millions. Minimum wage for Vick would be worse than prison for him.
Dino64 on August 18, 2009 at 11:00 AM
DtU:
A person who decides to drive while drunk makes a conscious decision to get behind the wheel of what in essence is a very lethal weapon. There may be no intent to kill or maim someone, but trust me, don’t try to peddle that to the family of a deceased drunk driving victim.
Sweet_Thang on August 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Sweet_Thang on August 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
I am not peddling anything. My point is that the drunk was not sadistic. He probably didn’t get any sick thrill out of his heinous act. This does not mean he isn’t wrong and shouldn’t suffer all the consequences society deems fit.
Disturb the Universe on August 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM
“there’s something ya gotta learn about WASPs, Bud. Love animals, hate people.”
Gordon Gecko
Bevan on August 18, 2009 at 11:23 AM
I know, it kind of creeps me out.
Jeff from WI on August 18, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Makes my skin crawl.
Dino64 on August 18, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Still waiting for the poll on Pitino keeping his position of influence over young impressionable college kids after paying to abort his own unborn child and claiming he was only buying a woman insurance.
Oh, but he didn’t do anything illegal, so heh. No harm, no foul.
And we wonder how a guy like Vick could have so little regard for the life of dogs.
And for the record, I think what he did was atrocious. There is something wrong with a person who inflicts that kind of cruelty on any living thing. But apparently, it is a whole culture in some circles. How could they end up like that? *looks above*
pannw on August 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM
If he is the last player at practice and the first to leave like he was in Atlanta his chances of playing much at Philly aren’t very good. If he took the time while in prison to learn how to study film and work out he may be a much better player than he ever was in Atlanta. I don’t think I would have taken on the baggage were I Philadelphia’s GM but It will be interesting to see what he does. Folks it’s just football. Many of the players aren’t much more than thugs but I enjoy watching the games. My life doesn’t depend on who wins or who plays though.
evensteven on August 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM
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