Pelosi to Obama: We’re not taking the public option out of the House bill

posted at 5:30 pm on August 17, 2009 by Allahpundit

Not yet, anyway. From her office:

“As the President stated in March, ‘The thinking on the public option has been that it gives consumers more choices and it helps keep the private sector honest, because there’s some competition out there.’

“We agree with the President that a public option will keep insurance companies honest and increase competition.

“There is strong support in the House for a public option. In the House, all three of our bills contain a public option as does the bill from the Senate HELP Committee.

“A public option is the best option to lower costs, improve the quality of health care, ensure choice and expand coverage.

“The public option brings real reform to lower costs over the 10 year period of the bill.”

Kabuki or meaningful threat? A House source tells Politico there’s no way liberals will cave on a public option on the first House vote — but on a final bill, after a compromise is reached with the Senate, with enormous pressure on them to get something to Obama’s desk, they might buckle then. In fact, the more likely it appears that House progressives will have to bow to the Senate to produce a final bill, the greater the incentive to lard their own bill up with liberal ornaments to increase their leverage during negotiations. Also, as Karl noted earlier in the Greenroom, the more public scrutiny is focused on the public option, the less focused it is on other unpalatable aspects of ObamaCare like the individual mandate. In which case, there’s no reason to drop the program entirely right now; the mere possibility/likelihood that it’ll be dropped should be enough to stop the hemorrhaging of support for health-care reform in the polls.

And yet. The One’s burning an awful lot of political capital in this fight to end up with something watered down. Assuming he thinks he can peel off just enough Blue Dogs to pass a public option on the final bill in the House (and that’s a big assumption, I know) why wouldn’t he go to the mat to pass it in the Senate, too? Here’s Dean-o on today’s “Morning Joe” reminding us that if October 15 comes and goes without a bill, the Democrats are fully willing and able to use “reconciliation” to nuke the filibuster and pass it with just 50 votes, which may well be enough for a public option to get through the Senate. Why not do it? The Dems are going to own the bill one way or another, whether they do it with 50 Democratic votes or 60, and passing a bill with a public option would at least give their own side something to celebrate. The way they’re going now, they’re going to end up with something no one likes and take a beating for it forever from both sides.

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And we won’t negotiate nor compromise either. And I guarantee you will fear us before we are done.

elduende on August 17, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Why not do it?

Future precedent. Someone in their party has to know they will not own power forever.

WashJeff on August 17, 2009 at 5:34 PM

The San Francisco democrats rule like tyrants, and maybe that’s a real good thing for 2010.

Mark30339 on August 17, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Pelosi: “This is my petard, and I’m sticking with it.”

Vashta.Nerada on August 17, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Changing the name won’t change its essence.

In other words, can’t trust them, no matter what they sell.

Sir Napsalot on August 17, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Oh please, Obama screwed up by tipping his hand early. He still needs the progressive base to gin up at least some support in the face of the protest movement and now has recognized his folly of taking away the one thing the left cherishes BEFORE the nitty gritty of negotiations.

rob verdi on August 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Someone get this stupid GD BITC$ a copy of the US Constitution and ask her to identify the enumerated power that allows the Federal government to create a health care plan.

If we don’t draw a line in the Constitutional sand here and now then the Constitution will truly become near meaningless.

Where the HE!! is the GOP? I feel like we’re fighting against the socialist takeover of the country alone.

DerKrieger on August 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM

OT: Where the hell is Joe Biden? He could sink this thing so much faster if he was allowed out of his room.

ThePrez on August 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Future precedent. Someone in their party has to know they will not own power forever.

In normal circumstances, that’d be true. This isn’t normal. It’s universal health care. It’s their great utopian dream.

Allahpundit on August 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Lets translate, Obama needs the netroots JUST to get the co-op option. There is now that much opposition in the country.

rob verdi on August 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM

2010…. Please people in New York – Get rid of Rangel and Schumer. MA get rid of Barney Frank. Us in the fly over country will take care of the center of the United States. CA – Boxer and Pelosi have to go too. Illinoi is coming around. Ohhhhh that friggen Durbin, I would love to see that little twerp thrown out. MN Oberstar has to go.

suzyk on August 17, 2009 at 5:38 PM

You go, girl!

Realist on August 17, 2009 at 5:38 PM

In normal circumstances, that’d be true. This isn’t normal. It’s universal health care. It’s their great utopian dream.

Allahpundit on August 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM

You got a point, Allahpundit. This is what they have wanted since Truman. Really they have no major issue Democrats continue barking about but this issue.

terryannonline on August 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Well, then, just take the Pelosi out of the House.

misslizzi on August 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Hah. How sweet would it be if Democrats nuked the filibuster only to lose power in 2010 by a painfully slim margin?

Lehosh on August 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Words of advice to The One – from ‘Number One’:

“Be vigilant, I say, for revolutions always seem to find a way to eat their own young” (V. Lenin)

alwyr on August 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

WashJeff on August 17, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Doesn’t matter. If they didn’t want to use, it wouldn’t have been in the budget (or stimulus, I forget).

Besides, something has to pass. It’ll pass because it must. Imagine spending all this time on it and not getting anything out of it.

lorien1973 on August 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

“A public option is the best option to lower costs, improve the quality of health care, ensure choice and expand coverage.”

Let’s go postal..

the_nile on August 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Hah. How sweet would it be if Democrats nuked the filibuster only to lose power in 2010 by a painfully slim margin?

Lehosh on August 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Perhaps they are willing to take a huge beating in order to finally accomplice what they’ve wanted to do since the 1950s.

terryannonline on August 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM

2010…. Please people in New York – Get rid of Rangel and Schumer.

I wish we could. Will never happen, never happen.

ThePrez on August 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Co-op is scam. Resist it in its entirety. So many strings will be attached to it that it will be a co-operative in name only. It is deathcare repackaged.

P.S. Stop calling it ObamaCare, for it is really just deathcare. Call it Obama’s deathcare for emphasis on his ownership. I don’t want to die under his deathcare limits on readmissions or have my identity stolen at his grand electronic medical record database.

andy85719 on August 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM

It’s their great utopian dream.
Allahpundit on August 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM

And that’s why we have to drive a stake through it.

Patrick S on August 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM

“We agree with the President that a public option will keep insurance companies honest and increase competition.

Well at least it’ll make the other insurance companies look more honest simply by comparison.

4shoes on August 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Imagine spending all this time on it and not getting anything out of it.

lorien1973 on August 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

That’s exactly what I’ve been imagining!

misslizzi on August 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Allahpundit on August 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Exactly, all they think about is achieving that ultimate goal. It’s their agenda, all or nothing.

ConservativeJawa on August 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM

I don’t know what happened to my first post…probably doesn’t like linking to Drudge.
But this cannot be better for conservatives, especially with this good news.

right2bright on August 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Get ready for the dems to start revving up the speed again just as soon as they hit DC.

Kissmygrits on August 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM

The minute the democrats pass anything with even the slighest hint of government control and coercion the US will erupt.

Go ahead democrats … go ahead.

darwin on August 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Pelosi: “This is my petard, and I’m sticking with it.”

Vashta.Nerada on August 17, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Add to that: “And screw the voters. Who do they think they are, anyway? We know better than any of them.”

Daggett on August 17, 2009 at 5:42 PM

It’s their great utopian dream.
Allahpundit on August 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM

And that’s why we have to drive a stake through it.

Patrick S on August 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM

How about holy water and silver bullets? Holy water grenades maybe?

ConservativeJawa on August 17, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Obama can pass legislation without a single GOP vote. If he cannot pass his signature issue, how is he different from a lame duck?

rw on August 17, 2009 at 5:42 PM

The real battle we need to fighting is for term limits. It honestly frightens me at the thought of cracking open the Constitution in this environment, but we need a constitutional amendment that limits Senators to 2 6 years terms, and the house to six 2 years terms.

It also needs to say that one cannot run for one office while still holding another. You know, like Obama abandoning his Senate seat 143 days in, so he could spend 2 years running for POTUS!

Our founders never dreamed being a legislature would equal lifelong career. The expected folks to go, serve, and then go home and live under the laws they created.

This must be our major push. We must make term limiting Congress job one.

gary4205 on August 17, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Somewhere in here is the classic Ship arriving too late to save a drowning witch.

singlemalt_18 on August 17, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Time for another Op-Ed from Sarah……….

…….. someone has to fight back against this tyranny.

Seven Percent Solution on August 17, 2009 at 5:43 PM

You go girl. In my heart you’ll always be the surgically altered face of the party of dependent people. Intelligence in politics is so overrated.

But where’s our snitch line?

I tried to do some more informing for the DNC, and those lily-livered cowards have shut down the snitch line. Where can I can go now to download the valuable information I have diligently collected about my neighbors? Hey, I’m doing my part for change “you better believe in … or else.”

There is a growing number of administration critics who are brazenly speaking out with absolute impunity. Given the overwhelming and growing numbers of opponents, I’m concerned there will not be enough people to keep the country afloat if we incarcerate these dissenters, since most the President’s supporters do not contribute to the economy. Ironically, the DNC needs the income of its opponents in order to continue to oppress them.

Stuart Lee on August 17, 2009 at 5:43 PM

How long before King Obama starts screaming to Squires Rahm and Axelrod’ “Will no one rid me of this insane woman?”

MB4 on August 17, 2009 at 5:43 PM

They still have $700 billion in their warchest to buy the votes to make this happen.

pedestrian on August 17, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Future precedent. Someone in their party has to know they will not own power forever.

WashJeff on August 17, 2009 at 5:34 PM

But health care will be forever, and along with taxes and health care, the government then has control over life, death, and all the money between.
If this is instituted, it will never be removed…never.
It will continue to expand, and consume, forever…

right2bright on August 17, 2009 at 5:43 PM

to nuke the filibuster and pass it with just 50 votes,

………

Do they even need 50, with Byrd and Kennedy out of Chamber?

artist on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

How about holy water and silver bullets? Holy water grenades maybe?

ConservativeJawa on August 17, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Perhaps the Holy Hand Grenade!

1…..2…..5!………3 sir-3!

ThePrez on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

People are getting smarter. Public option or not, good bill or not, if it’s to be run by the government, most people don’t want it!

GFW on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

I cannot believe that the Botox B*tch has the balls to utter the word HONEST!
Kill the Bill,kill it now!

katy the mean old lady on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

I like Ed’s idea…………..

…………… Single Payer Tort Reform!

Seven Percent Solution on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Watching Dean for 6 minutes is making me ill. Matter of fact this entire health care debate is making me ill. Please America let this thing die.

fourdeucer on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

There is a fundamental philosophical divide between the two sides. Compromise is not possible because there is no middle ground. Weakening the bill to get it passed might get it through congress and to the president’s desk, but it will provoke retribution at the ballot box in the next election.

There are only two unknowns; does the leadership of the democrat party have enough strength to push it through congress, and how much fraud will there be in the next election.

Skandia Recluse on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Besides, let’s say they pass the bill (via the nuclear option) and they lose one or both houses in 2010.

Republicans couldn’t possibly use it again. Could they?

The obvious talking point for democrats is “Well, we tried it and got rebuked. Republicans were elected to try things differently.”

Or similar nonsense. This is why republicans lose. They are always defensive.

lorien1973 on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

They still have $700 billion in their warchest to buy the votes to make this happen.

pedestrian on August 17, 2009 at 5:43 PM

They will need every penny of it, then nothing to sustain their power…they want health care as a group, but they want their individual jobs even more.
That is why this has been so effective, they are worried about losing their meal ticket.

right2bright on August 17, 2009 at 5:45 PM

If they force this takeover on us now they’ll squander the last shreds of legitimacy they have left, as well as Obama’s remaining political capital. They will make this country ungovernable at least until 2010 and it’ll be ugly. Partisan warfare on a scale never seen and a Constitutional crisis come readily to mind.

elduende on August 17, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Running against Pelosi

http://johndennis.netboots.net/

izoneguy on August 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM

In normal circumstances, that’d be true. This isn’t normal. It’s universal health care. It’s their great utopian dream.

Allahpundit on August 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM

I would think the American public would be so pissed that the Dems overstepped normal political discourse and traditions, and coupled with a 2013 start date, that the public will allow the GOP to overturn this bill.

WashJeff on August 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Partisan warfare on a scale never seen and a Constitutional crisis come readily to mind.

elduende on August 17, 2009 at 5:45 PM

We already have that

izoneguy on August 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM

I would think the American public would be so pissed that the Dems overstepped normal political discourse and traditions, and coupled with a 2013 start date, that the public will allow the GOP to overturn this bill.

WashJeff on August 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM

How can the GOP overturn this bill?

terryannonline on August 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM

ThePrez on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Nee!

ConservativeJawa on August 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM

No deal.

A democrat-authored public option or even a bipartisan co-op plan will remain socialist incrementalism in the hands of this administration and this congress. Either plan could be watered down sufficiently to be passed as law and then ruthlessly socialized when it came to regulation, staffing and the appointment of a national insurance czar.

We need to kill the bill in its entirety and then delay any and all reform until a conservative majority can plug up the entitlement gap with a free-market based health insurance reform solution. Which was pretty much the reason Bush pushed his private-sector Medicare part D agenda. Since the left will keep trying to push for single-payer healthcare, we need to preempt fabian socialist incrementalism with sweeping free-market based solutions that enshrine individual responsibility and market competition forever.

Imagine if we had passed Medicare Advantage in 1965 instead.

Khorum on August 17, 2009 at 5:48 PM

The obvious talking point for democrats is “Well, we tried it and got rebuked. Republicans were elected to try things differently.”

Or similar nonsense. This is why republicans lose. They are always defensive.

lorien1973 on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Not if the GOP campaigns on the issue, overturning the bill via nuke option, and promises not to do it again (a la The Dark Knight when Freedman character destroyed that monitoring system).

WashJeff on August 17, 2009 at 5:48 PM

I hope the push back from the right gets ampted up 10 notches!!!

sonnyspats1 on August 17, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Besides, let’s say they pass the bill (via the nuclear option) and they lose one or both houses in 2010.

Republicans couldn’t possibly use it again. Could they?

The obvious talking point for democrats is “Well, we tried it and got rebuked. Republicans were elected to try things differently.”

Or similar nonsense. This is why republicans lose. They are always defensive.

lorien1973 on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Well it won’t be hard to go on offense when Obama keeps fumbling around.
Time to sack the QB – force a fumble – and run for a TD.

izoneguy on August 17, 2009 at 5:48 PM

I’ve lost track…exactly who is more out of control here? WH or Congress?

MarkT on August 17, 2009 at 5:49 PM

After a couple of weeks of Dems going into all out civil war over this, their strategy of accusing right wing plants of holding this up is going to look exponentially more stupid. And it already DOES look stupid.

Grab your popcorn, folks.

stldave on August 17, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Future precedent. Someone in their party has to know they will not own power forever.
In normal circumstances, that’d be true. This isn’t normal. It’s universal health care. It’s their great utopian dream.

Allahpundit on August 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Of course it is, which makes me wonder why they cobble something which looks like a dissertaion thrown together the day before it’s due.

These people control the House, Senate and presidency and still can’t do anything right.

ddrintn on August 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM

How can the GOP overturn this bill?

terryannonline on August 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Take the house, senate, and Prez by 2012. Key is the bill is not in full force until 2013. If the industry sees the GOP taking power, starting in 2010, implementation may further slow down.

WashJeff on August 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Either plan could be watered down sufficiently to be passed as law and then ruthlessly socialized when it came to regulation, staffing and the appointment of a national insurance czar.

……

Indeed.

All they need is the foot in the door.

And the program would explode in both cost and dimension.

This is all or nothing.

artist on August 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM

*dissertation

ddrintn on August 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Step 1: Steal underwear.
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Profit.

John the Libertarian on August 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM

The GOP’s message needs to boil down to this: “Are we citizens or are we subjects?”

If the government owns your house, your car, your education, your job, your money and your health, the government owns you.

Lehosh on August 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM

O/T – and I apologize for the n00b question but that’s indeed what I am :)

Is there a reason why I can’t post on headline topics? Is there a n00b rule or something? I emailed AP but no response ;-)

ConservativeJawa on August 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Do they even need 50, with Byrd and Kennedy out of Chamber?

artist on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

No, you actually have to be there and use the “magic card” to vote.
It’s sort of an American Express Plutonium card with no limits and no pesonal responsibility EVAH.

katy the mean old lady on August 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM

I am not so sure that taking out the public option will be enough to gain support from moderates. It might give them some cover in a vote, but critics will just move onto the next thing they do not like…such as forcing everyone to get the kind of insurance the government wants you to get. I heard today that under the alternative plan, catastrophic insurance would still be illegal.

It is as if the government has said it will pull its car from the race, but they intend to buy the track and make the rules.

Terrye on August 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Or similar nonsense. This is why republicans lose. They are always defensive.

lorien1973 on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Republican have held some power either the WH or Congress the past 30 years. They aren’t always losing.

Speaking of which….why didn’t the GOP try some health care reforms while they were power? Republicans talk about allowing people buying insurance across state lines, etc….
why didn’t they do this the last time they were in power?

terryannonline on August 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM

More of this, please.

I want them to screech as loudly as possible. I want them to continue their overreach. The more they marginalize themselves, the more a center-right country will grow rightfully skeptical of them. Well, we can hope.

*Listening to Hannity in the background and wondering if anyone else thinks he’s kind of dorky and says, “Great specificity and detail” both redundantly and too frequently?

Mommypundit on August 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Somehow this is reminiscent of the Wicked Witch of the West and the Man Behind the Curtain.

Christian Conservative on August 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM

We already have that

izoneguy on August 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM

No think shut downs of the congress. Walk outs by the Republicans. Committee disruptions. Parliamentary disruptions in Congress, State legislatures passing all sorts of disruptive bills. State Governors publicly attacking the federal government. Law suits by the states Law suits by private citizens, law suits by corporations, street protests,

After these past few weeks what do you think will happen to the anger level on the right if this gets crammed on us…”tea parties” will become “tea war parties”…

elduende on August 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM

amped*

sonnyspats1 on August 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM

The GOP’s message needs to boil down to this: “Are we citizens or are we subjects?”

If the government owns your house, your car, your education, your job, your money and your health, the government owns you.

Lehosh on August 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Good ad … email the RNC with the suggestion.

darwin on August 17, 2009 at 5:53 PM

I’ve lost track…exactly who is more out of control here? WH or Congress?

MarkT on August 17, 2009 at 5:49 PM

All of the above.

katy the mean old lady on August 17, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Hey AP, did my post get completely obliterated? It says I already posted but I didn’t get a warning about moderation?

Skywise on August 17, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Somehow this is reminiscent of the Wicked Witch of the West and the Man Behind the Curtain.

Christian Conservative on August 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Except the witch has a flesh-colored thinly stretched plastic mask on.

Mommypundit on August 17, 2009 at 5:54 PM

These hard core Marxists and socialists must be stopped before they destroy the country or drive it to anarchy and chaos.

rplat on August 17, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Rahm has brought the blue dogs in to serve at the behest of the titular heads within the democrat party. They have control of our money to entice these hapless representatives who will win a pay out for their vote and then they will be gone. If this is the game no one loses but us.

DanMan on August 17, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Wow. This coming from the nutbag that said Cap-n-Tax is all about, “Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. And jobs.”

Can you say, “Delusional”?

Dominion on August 17, 2009 at 5:54 PM

terryannonline on August 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Cuz republican is defined by this:

CONSERVATIVE, n.

A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.

lorien1973 on August 17, 2009 at 5:54 PM

“We agree with the President that a public option will keep insurance companies honest and increase competition.

It seems as if the argument she is now making is that public insurance companies are one giant monopoly. Does she have evidence of price fixing or collusion? Is she aware of some super, secret shadow company that owns all of the insurance companies?

There are already 4-5 large and some additional small health insurance companies that compete against each other. Even if they all got together and decided to screw over their customers, assuming there were no barriers to enter into the industry, another company would come along offering better service at a lower cost and put the big guys out of business.

The fact is that, given the current rules and regulations they have to operate under, there is not a major savings to be had. A public insurance company that is forced to follow the same rules and required to at least break even (much less make a profit) would not be able to provide anything significantly different than what the current insurance companies provide.

What the industry needs is less regulation and fewer mandates. Couple that with tort reform. Then add a healthy side of an attitude change regarding what insurance should and shouldn’t be expected to pay for (e.g. chemotherapy, yes…..routine yearly physicals, no) and you’ve got all your cost savings right there.

JadeNYU on August 17, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Obamacare or any incarnation thereof is simply unconstitutional. Man the barricades and defeat this monster.

The Constitution is our shield in this battle, when will the GOP break it out?

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

DerKrieger on August 17, 2009 at 5:55 PM

How can the GOP overturn this bill?

terryannonline on August 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Easily. Implementation of this law in the face of a public backlash is a nonstarter. We’re not in Venezuela yet.

elduende on August 17, 2009 at 5:55 PM

“We agree with the President that a public option will keep insurance companies honest and increase competition.”
Nancy Pelosi

Do you think she honestly believes this? Or does she simply think us un-edumicated fools out here in fly-over country aren’t smart enough to know that gov’t “competition” = gov’t takeover?

MississippiMom on August 17, 2009 at 5:56 PM

What you should know about Obamacare:

The entire bill must go. Including the “personal responsibility section on pages 167 – 170 of HR3200, Which reads in part:

Quote:18 ‘‘SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE
19 HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
20 ‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual
21 who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at
22 any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed
23 a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—
1 ‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in2
come for the taxable year, over
3 ‘‘
ENDQUOTE

Page 30: The government will decide what treatments and benefits you get.

Page 58: Every person will be issued a national ID health card. (but it cannot be used for voter identification)

Page 59: The federal government will have direct real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

Page 239: The bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid, meaning there will be Medicaid cuts.

Pages 427 – 464: Government mandated program that orders end-of-life treatment. (Your basic Death Panel section) Government dictates how your life ends.

Get a copy of the PDF download and read this thing. Its right out of the Karl Marx playbook.

dogsoldier on August 17, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Ruh roe Raggy!

hanoverfist on August 17, 2009 at 5:56 PM

why didn’t they do this the last time they were in power?

My best guess / supposition:

L O B B Y I S T S

Katfish on August 17, 2009 at 5:56 PM

I don’t buy it. 64 Democratic House seats are in districts that Bush and/or McCain carried. Sure, there are a few of these that would sacrifice themselves for the libtard pipedream, but not enough.

The Senate nuclear option? Not going to happen. When run-of-the-mill liberals like Dorgan states that there will not be any public option, I doubt that they even have 50 votes.

Norwegian on August 17, 2009 at 5:57 PM

OT: Total Eclipse of the Heart is on the radiowhere I am. Made me think of this video remix post by AP. Good for afternoon laugh.

WashJeff on August 17, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Do they even need 50, with Byrd and Kennedy out of Chamber?

artist on August 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM

I’m not so sure you can count Teddy out. Thinking he might be brought in on a stretcher, with I.V. bottles and defibrillator paddles, just for the chance to vote on this baby.

betsyz on August 17, 2009 at 5:57 PM

rplat on August 17, 2009 at 5:54 PM

This cannot end well because we Conservatives, should Obamacare pass, won’t simply accept defeat and go home to sulk. I suspect there will be 10th Amendment challenges and a Constitutional showdown

DerKrieger on August 17, 2009 at 5:57 PM

ConservativeJawa on August 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Click on the numbers just to the right of the Headline……..

…….. that will take you to the comment section.

Seven Percent Solution on August 17, 2009 at 5:58 PM

But really, how is ANY of this helping michelle and her kids?

BTW, where is aunt esther?

lukespapa on August 17, 2009 at 5:58 PM

What’s needed is an alternative to the Dems’ plan — a plan which takes out all the onerous provisions — which can develop grassroots support and pressure both the Bluedogs and Rinos to back and beat the lib Dems over the head with.

Dusty on August 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

I’m not so sure you can count Teddy out.

…….

He didn’t even make his sister’s funeral.

artist on August 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Anyone else feel like this is a shrieking woman with a gun to her own temple?

Red Cloud on August 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

You got a point, Allahpundit. This is what they have wanted since Truman. Really they have no major issue Democrats continue barking about but this issue.

terryannonline on August 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

I beg to differ. Their major issue is killing babies. They will defend that “right” to the death of the party. The fact that baby-killing funding is neatly packaged in their health care bill only makes it a plus to them.

Christian Conservative on August 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

it helps keep the private sector honest, because there’s some competition out there.’

Saying we need competition with the private sector is like saying we need to implement a parallel dictatorship to provide competition for our democracy

Chiasmos on August 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

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