Pelosi to Obama: We’re not taking the public option out of the House bill

posted at 5:30 pm on August 17, 2009 by Allahpundit

Not yet, anyway. From her office:

“As the President stated in March, ‘The thinking on the public option has been that it gives consumers more choices and it helps keep the private sector honest, because there’s some competition out there.’

“We agree with the President that a public option will keep insurance companies honest and increase competition.

“There is strong support in the House for a public option. In the House, all three of our bills contain a public option as does the bill from the Senate HELP Committee.

“A public option is the best option to lower costs, improve the quality of health care, ensure choice and expand coverage.

“The public option brings real reform to lower costs over the 10 year period of the bill.”

Kabuki or meaningful threat? A House source tells Politico there’s no way liberals will cave on a public option on the first House vote — but on a final bill, after a compromise is reached with the Senate, with enormous pressure on them to get something to Obama’s desk, they might buckle then. In fact, the more likely it appears that House progressives will have to bow to the Senate to produce a final bill, the greater the incentive to lard their own bill up with liberal ornaments to increase their leverage during negotiations. Also, as Karl noted earlier in the Greenroom, the more public scrutiny is focused on the public option, the less focused it is on other unpalatable aspects of ObamaCare like the individual mandate. In which case, there’s no reason to drop the program entirely right now; the mere possibility/likelihood that it’ll be dropped should be enough to stop the hemorrhaging of support for health-care reform in the polls.

And yet. The One’s burning an awful lot of political capital in this fight to end up with something watered down. Assuming he thinks he can peel off just enough Blue Dogs to pass a public option on the final bill in the House (and that’s a big assumption, I know) why wouldn’t he go to the mat to pass it in the Senate, too? Here’s Dean-o on today’s “Morning Joe” reminding us that if October 15 comes and goes without a bill, the Democrats are fully willing and able to use “reconciliation” to nuke the filibuster and pass it with just 50 votes, which may well be enough for a public option to get through the Senate. Why not do it? The Dems are going to own the bill one way or another, whether they do it with 50 Democratic votes or 60, and passing a bill with a public option would at least give their own side something to celebrate. The way they’re going now, they’re going to end up with something no one likes and take a beating for it forever from both sides.

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I forgot to add, after you read it, print out the relevant sections and beat libturds over the head with FACTS. It leaves them stuttering every time, because THEY HAVEN”T READ THIS TURKEY.

dogsoldier on August 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

The Constitution is our shield in this battle, when will the GOP break it out?

DerKrieger on August 17, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Too late, AnninCA said the Constitution is irrelevant nowadays.

WashJeff on August 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM

The sane, conservative Dems must begin a movement to throw Pelosi out as speaker before she brings them down with her. The far left wing of that Party is in a panic and like a rabid dog they will bite anything that threatens it.

rplat on August 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM

This is the beginning of their utopian dream.

They get this, then they get it all. That’s what they plan.

Where are the GOP? Where they always are sitting in the corner sucking their thumbs.

Where are the conservatives with money? Hello Rush? Hello Hannity? When are these “leaders” going to get out front and lead a public rebellion? I mean lawsuits, advertisement, rallies, town halls, et. al.

If conservatives are serious about stopping what will be a beachhead to achieving a socialist state, then these leaders need to get together and start planning a very vocal public display of outrage this country has not seen since 1860.

Otherwise, stop complaining. If you don’t plan on doing anything except bitch, then stuff it, we’ve had enough talk it’s is way past time for action.

Joe Pyne on August 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Dusty on August 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

The GOP has a plan. They just can’t get the MSM to talk about it nor do they seem to get the message out through the blogosphere.

DerKrieger on August 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Seven Percent Solution on August 17, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Yep, I’m not that n00bish at least as I’ve seen many people ask about the comment section :)

I know how to get to the comments but at the bottom it says I’m not allowed to post… hmm must be a permissions issue…

Logged in as ConservativeJawa. Logout »

You are not allowed to leave comments.

ConservativeJawa on August 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Pelosi is exhibit A in my opinion that all Congress people should take a Wonderlic Type Test

CWforFreedom on August 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM

When is Michelle Obama going to speak out on Health Care?
The hate and venom will ooze from her pores if she is given a chance to defend ObamaCare and talk against the dissenters.

Puh-leeze do a live interview, Michelle, and bury ObamaCare once and for all.

albill on August 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM

If Queen Nancy says that the public option will keep the private sector “honest” then who will keep the public sector honest?

KG in Sask on August 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM

This is gonna be as good as a chick fight.

davidk on August 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM

“Death by a thousand opening doors into their faces.”

hoosiermama on August 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM

rplat on August 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM

I want these people exposed for the full blown socialists they are. The public needs to finally see just who we Conservatives have been battling for generations.

DerKrieger on August 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Future precedent. Someone in their party has to know they will not own power forever.

WashJeff on August 17, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Witness all of the Milk Carton Representatives and Senators – they’re afraid of questions, afraid of their constituents, and they have to know that jamming this thing down the collective throats of Americans won’t help them at election time.

uncivilized on August 17, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Maybe Obama can crosstrain our postmen to give health care with the mail. Kill all birds with one stone-so to speak.

Lincoln Cadillac on August 17, 2009 at 6:03 PM

ConservativeJawa on August 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM

I’ve never seen that before…….

Seven Percent Solution on August 17, 2009 at 6:03 PM

“The public option brings real reform to lower costs over the 10 year period of the bill.”

Pure tripe. A bill like this is forever. Additionally, the CBO begs to differ on the lowering of cost over the first 10 years, and cost rise dramatically after that. The first 10 years of the bill only equate to 6-7 years coverage of the bill due to the implementation date of 2013, while funding for it starts almost immediately.

ICBM on August 17, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Seven Percent Solution on August 17, 2009 at 6:03 PM

np… thanks for the input!

ConservativeJawa on August 17, 2009 at 6:07 PM

They will need every penny of it, then nothing to sustain their power…they want health care as a group, but they want their individual jobs even more.
That is why this has been so effective, they are worried about losing their meal ticket.

right2bright on August 17, 2009 at 5:45 PM

This is the key. As a group, they can be brave enough to do what they want. Individually, if they know this vote can cost them their seat, it’s much harder to cast that vote.

We have to let them know Obamacare = ejection from office next election. Get this message across consistently and believably enough, no Obamacare.

It really is that simple (but still hard).

cs89 on August 17, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Joe Pyne on August 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM

There’s this little rally on Sept. 12 with about 20k registrants so far. Might want to attend.

HoustonRight on August 17, 2009 at 6:08 PM

HoustonRight on August 17, 2009 at 6:08 PM

BTW it’s in Washington DC.

HoustonRight on August 17, 2009 at 6:09 PM

If Queen Nancy says that the public option will keep the private sector “honest” then who will keep the public sector honest?

KG in Sask on August 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM

the same people who make Medicare efficient, silly….

Red State State of Mind on August 17, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Pelosi will be no longer be a member of Congress after next year. We just have to prevent her from doing anymore damage before she is ushered out of the Capitol.

coldwarrior on August 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM

There’s this little rally on Sept. 12 with about 20k registrants so far. Might want to attend.

HoustonRight on August 17, 2009 at 6:08 PM

I am so ready!

TXMomof3 on August 17, 2009 at 6:14 PM

TXMomof3 on August 17, 2009 at 6:14 PM

I know we are counting the days. We’ve got the dogs taken care of so we are arriving Thurs morning and playing thus & fri. getting ready for the big day. My wife’s never been to DC so I ‘m going to show her the sights.

HoustonRight on August 17, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Pelosi needs botox just to pucker her behind.

Sorry, but I lost any shred of respect for this woman, years ago.

capejasmine on August 17, 2009 at 6:17 PM

what is pelosi’s problem? other than herself, who could she want more in the WH? why doesn’t she do what the One wants?

is she mad that the WH didn’t rush to her defense over her major stupidity & lying about the CIA?

kelley in virginia on August 17, 2009 at 6:17 PM

With respect, Allah, please stop calling our leftist Congress critters “progressives”. They call themselves that so to put lipstick on the pig they are making by pulling failed ideas from the past out of trash heap where they belong and pretending that things are different now and the old bad ideas will work.

This is not a progression of learning from the past but a regression to failed political models which cannot perform as well, by about any measure, as models which emphasize individual freedom.

Even the Europeans have figured this out and are slowly going away from the direction Ms. Pelosi and her fellow travelers so eagerly want to take us.

Pelosi is a regressive who wants to rule as the monarchs of old, be they royalty or secular/religious dictators. She cannot or will not learn from the past, and therefore cannot “progress”.

I realize this is a minor point but it does irk progressives I encounter when I explain why I call them regressives…and they cannot rebut the explanation.

Harry Schell on August 17, 2009 at 6:18 PM

This is gonna be as good as a chick fight.

davidk

This is a chick fight – Obama and Pelosi

Rockygold on August 17, 2009 at 6:18 PM

I hear Fiorina is going to run against Boxer. Where do I contribute.

HoustonRight on August 17, 2009 at 6:19 PM

I guess Pelosi is Obama’s backbone?

WyoMike on August 17, 2009 at 6:20 PM

This is gonna be as good as a chick fight.

davidk

Boxer vs Botoxer?

Chuck Schick on August 17, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Here’s something the magical thinking liberals overlook:
Physicians and hospitals cannot survive on Medicare reimbursement alone. This means that the care that is provided to medicare recipients is subsidized by non-medicare payers. Specifically, the infrastructure necessary to provide healthcare is paid for by non-medicare funds. Any public option will have to buy services from the privately financed healthcare system. Backroom deals will be cut, clever businessmen will make a killing (Electronic Data Systems ring a bell?) quality will suffer and the naive “social justice” aspirations of four generations of dupes will provide entertaining chatter for the Washington cocktail crowd.

z9z99 on August 17, 2009 at 6:23 PM

When is Michelle Obama going to speak out on Health Care?
The hate and venom will ooze from her pores if she is given a chance to defend ObamaCare and talk against the dissenters.

Puh-leeze do a live interview, Michelle, and bury ObamaCare once and for all.

albill on August 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Yes, Mrs. Obama is the master in dening care and rationing…..
That is what she did at her hospital job.
Obummer is probably putting the little wife in charge of the death panels.

izoneguy on August 17, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Pelosi will be no longer be a member of Congress after next year. We just have to prevent her from doing anymore damage before she is ushered out of the Capitol.

coldwarrior on August 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM

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izoneguy on August 17, 2009 at 6:25 PM

I strongly urge the Democrats to use reconciliation. Ram that puppy through! It will be the death knell of the party.

GarandFan on August 17, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Pelosi to Obama: We’re not taking the public option out of the House bill,

A public option can’t compete with other options without taxpayer support. They also can’t compete without forcing providers to take less than the cost of the care.

So, we will have to take Pelosi out of the House.

Dog bites on August 17, 2009 at 6:28 PM

USA to Pelosi : You’re a fscking hormonally demented hag.

LimeyGeek on August 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM

I’d just love to see Pelosi bury her own party. THAT would be a red meat post if ever there was one. If this passes, it will be their 3rd boondoggle, and with cap & trade on the shelf they could pass 4! Bye bye democrats, thanks to the speaker for your demise.

scalleywag on August 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM

thanks to the speaker for your demise.

scalleywag on August 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Maybe they should rethink that whole “female equality” thing…

LimeyGeek on August 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM

What do you expect. Obama is Pelosi’s House slave.

This is the kind of President that Congress likes: A hollow man who can be pushed around by hook or by crook (often by both). This is why Hillary was pushed aside: It was always about Pelosi puppeteering the Presidency.

But what that dummy Pelosi doesn’t realize is that the presidency is bigger than any one President–and certainly bigger than Obama. There are ineffable powers to the office of the president that transcend the small ambitions of the lunatic Left.

EMD on August 17, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Is cindy sheehan still running against Nan?

cmsinaz on August 17, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Lose, lose situation for the dems. Do they seriously want to ram something down American’s throats that they know the majority doesn’t want? Can they be that stupid? It’s political suicide. They can call the protesters whatever they want, they’re still going to vote in 2010. In fact, they probably inspired millions who sat home last election to get out there in ’10 and make sure these clowns finally go home.

scalleywag on August 17, 2009 at 6:43 PM

I guess we now know the CIA did not lie…huh?

d1carter on August 17, 2009 at 6:50 PM

If Botox Babe doubles down like this, well, maybe even AP will believe that there is a God.

TXUS on August 17, 2009 at 6:50 PM

So Nancy’s going down with the Titanic, eh?

David2.0 on August 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Betcha nanzi gets TOTUS to blink. One has to thinks she’s got the more ‘nads than he does. He lives with 2 daughters, Michelle O, AND her mother. sheesh.

ted c on August 17, 2009 at 7:03 PM

There’s a four letter word..

blatantblue on August 17, 2009 at 7:07 PM

So Nancy’s going down with the Titanic, eh?

David2.0 on August 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM

She ,looks old enough to have actually gone down on the REAL Titanic.

Jeff from WI on August 17, 2009 at 7:08 PM

This is the beginning of their utopian dream.

They get this, then they get it all. That’s what they plan.

Where are the GOP?

Joe Pyne on August 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM

It seems that a lot of them are trying to distance themselves from those “outlandish, wildly irresponsible” comments from Sarah Palin, while trying to figure out how to ride in her wake.

And heh…Dean says once the health care bill is passed, Obama and the Dems will be as popular as ever. Come on then, Dems. Pass it.

ddrintn on August 17, 2009 at 7:10 PM

The absurity of creating a public health plan to create competition in the private sector is staggering. The left has no intention of creating competition, they want to destroy the private market completely, and then dance on the ashes. They want more and more power, and thst is the bottom line.

Of course, those with some background in US government know there is nothing in the constitution about the federal government creating competition for the private sector. This seems to be beyond the comprehension of folks like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and Carville.

Why stop here. I think US automakers would be better off if the federal government competed against them in the same manner as they propose for health care. I mean..cars are way too expensive. Not everyone owns a car. Many people have to go without, and actually ride buses and trains. Some are forced to carpool or buy second hand cars!

On one hand, you can buy a Ford for $15,000. On the other, you can get a government car for free. I’m sure that Ford and the US car industry would be much better off with this kind of competition.

Dr.Gills on August 17, 2009 at 7:11 PM

because there’s some competition out there.’

Aren’t there, like, a gajillion insurance companies? Where are they getting this bull about “no competition”?

jana on August 17, 2009 at 7:12 PM

It seems that a lot of them are trying to distance themselves from those “outlandish, wildly irresponsible” comments from Sarah Palin, while trying to figure out how to ride in her wake.

And heh…Dean says once the health care bill is passed, Obama and the Dems will be as popular as ever. Come on then, Dems. Pass it.

ddrintn on August 17, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Howard Dean is even more delusional/insane than usual.

NathanG on August 17, 2009 at 7:13 PM

I really wish that people would stop calling them “House Progressives” or “House Liberals”. Call them what they are… America’s Socialist Party. Or Pinko Commie Rat Bastahds.

Key West Reader on August 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM

OT: Where the hell is Joe Biden? He could sink this thing so much faster if he was allowed out of his room.

ThePrez on August 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Duct taped to a wall in an underground bunker in his house being fed Alpo and vodka?

Key West Reader on August 17, 2009 at 7:19 PM

The minute the democrats pass anything with even the slighest hint of government control and coercion the US will erupt.

Go ahead democrats … go ahead.

darwin on August 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Your are right. I can feel the tension in the air.

Geochelone on August 17, 2009 at 7:23 PM

OT: Where the hell is Joe Biden? He could sink this thing so much faster if he was allowed out of his room.

ThePrez on August 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Stand up Chuck and let them see you! Oh dear, what am I talking about….If Chuck had government healthcare, he COULD stand up!!!

stldave on August 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM

“We agree with the President that a public option will keep insurance companies honest and increase competition.

First StatistFarms, next Statistgroup to compete for your loans, than Fedco Oil, and StateMart

How many pseudo corporations does it take to manage the economy? Think they’ll let me run StatistBlock to file your taxes?

ThatMan on August 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM

The GOP has a plan. They just can’t get the MSM to talk about it nor do they seem to get the message out through the blogosphere.

DerKrieger on August 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM

It gets better. The GOP site you linked has the press release (that got ignored) and links to material about the GOP plan, including the text of the bill. Problem is that the “Thomas” site where the text is supposedly hosted comes up as a “page not found,” even after repeated reloads.

Why isn’t the bill posted in a PDF or something on the GOP website? This is the sort of thing that should be given the Drudge flashing-lights treatment on the front page of the GOP website.

::sigh:: “Party of Stupid” indeed. Note to the Republican leadership – the public helps those who first help themselves!

Blacksmith on August 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM

winning political message? Demonizing Insurance Companies?

Hey, can I make six figures regurgitating Dem points on TV too?

Did you notice the FOX NEWS on the opening video, did not MSNBC broadcast this speech?

Really scary stuff is what our Government is trying to slime by, I say

My IQ must be double that of Scarborough, can I apply?

seesalrun on August 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM

These brain impaired leftist pukes have no idea what they are doing but they will spare no energy in their attempts to turn this once great Republic into a pure socialist state. Keep the pressure on them and never give up.

rplat on August 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM

And no more Pelosi comments, as I don’t yet and still have a clue from whom she has amassed such supreme power….

She needs to read “A Tale of Two Cities”.

I was just in San Francisco on business. Producers do not look kindly on the Supreme One.

seesalrun on August 17, 2009 at 7:43 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

Hey pelozi you WITCH
How about this one..

How about

You pass this piece of garbage
and WE the AMERICAN PEOPLE
ALL REVOLT..

How about that
We will not stand for you or the democrats
insolence any longer..

enough..
ENOUGH OF LIBERALS
ENOUGH OF PELOZI
ENOUGH OF DEMOCRATS

IT IS TIME to throw them all out
By all means necessarry.

veteranoutrage on August 17, 2009 at 7:44 PM

This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what the “recociliation” process really means. “Recociliation was adopted as a an optional practice to be employed under the “Pay-Go” rules to limit deficit spending. To reconcile in this sense is to reconcile spending with revenues.

Explicit in langauge adopted to invoke “reconciliation” protocols is that the bill in question must reduce the deficit, or at a minimum be “revenue neutral.”

This why I think we saw so much pressure by Orszag and the House leadership on CBO cheif Elmendorf, when Elmendorf put out candid CBO numbers on Obamacare he essentially was depriving the Dem’s from being able to invoke the weapon of”reconciliation.”

Dean is Either bluffing or the DNC is holding Elmendorf’s children in “an undisclosed secure location” in ransom against serious budget fudging.

Archimedes on August 17, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Blacksmith on August 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM

Almost every site I wanted to go to today that had something unflattering to Obama in the headline caused Internet Explorer to terminate.

And I just got done wiping my hard drive and starting over, so the computer should be clean.

When Obama said he wanted a Cyber Czar who could think like the crooks he meant what he said – not so they could CATCH the crooks but so they could BE the crooks. Nothing is impossible to them at this point. They can learn anything. They can stop anything. From the Denial of Service attack during the campaign that traced back to Obama’s campaign office to the Snitch Line spam attacks, from making deals with Google to stealing our cookies… since Day One they have made it clear that they are going for the jugular.

When God wanted to thwart the Tower of Babel He mixed up the language of those working on it. When Pseudo-Christ wants to thwart the Constitution and the American people working for freedom, he takes away our ability to communicate without obstructions.

Not saying that the Republican party isn’t stupid to not have the information on their own page, but as long as there is a Czar in Washington DC who can do what he darn well pleases there’s no need for a Fairness Doctrine as far as the internet is concerned – and that’s where most people get their news now.

justincase on August 17, 2009 at 8:01 PM

It’s the heavyweight battle of the doctors – Dr. Dean vs Dr. Emanuele – and we all know how Rham put the wood to Howard a year ago. Democraps won everything except the Lincoln Memorial and Howard Dean was run out of town on a rail! No reason to believe it won’t end up any different this time around. Howard Dean is totally irrelevant.

GoldenEagle4444 on August 17, 2009 at 8:04 PM

I truly hate this effing broad.

BallisticBob on August 17, 2009 at 8:18 PM

When God wanted to thwart the Tower of Babel He mixed up the language of those working on it. When Pseudo-Christ wants to thwart the Constitution and the American people working for freedom, he takes away our ability to communicate without obstructions.

Not saying that the Republican party isn’t stupid to not have the information on their own page, but as long as there is a Czar in Washington DC who can do what he darn well pleases there’s no need for a Fairness Doctrine as far as the internet is concerned – and that’s where most people get their news now.

justincase on August 17, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Then perhaps it is time to restart the Committees of Correspondence. And as an observation, the Royal Post did not exist back then, either.

Blacksmith on August 17, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Here’s Dean-o on today’s “Morning Joe” reminding us that if October 15 comes and goes without a bill, the Democrats are fully willing and able to use “reconciliation” to nuke the filibuster and pass it with just 50 votes,

Liberals can try and spin the differences between reconciliation and the nuclear option,but the NY Times itself shows the intent by the democrats in putting this in the stimulus bill is one and the same:


With Health Care Talks Uncertain, Democrats Consider a Last Resort

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/us/politics/02hulse.html?_r=3&partner=rss&emc=rss

With bipartisan health care negotiations teetering, Democrats are talking reluctantly — and very, very quietly — about exploiting a procedural loophole they planted in this year’s budget to skirt Republican filibusters against a health care overhaul.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH,
remember the good ol’ days win pushing legislation through without debate signaled the end of democracy and the start of Bush’s dictatorship.


http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/2531/ira_chernus_on_wielding_the_nuclear_option

And with good reason. No other term captures so perfectly the magnitude of the destruction GOP senators plan to wreak on our governmental system of checks and balances. For two centuries, the right to filibuster has protected the minority from majority efforts to run roughshod over the Senate. If the Republicans get their way, the majority would, for the first time, be able to stop debate and force a vote as soon as they know they have enough votes to win. The minority would lose their only real bargaining chip for forcing compromise.

To extend the metaphor a bit, it seems that we Americans are all about to become “downwinders.” (People who were downwind of the aboveground nuclear tests of the 1950s and early 60s received an extra dose of fallout.) For the nuclear option and its attendant imagery is, as Ira Chernus explains below, a more than apt metaphor for the moment — not least because of the nature of the Senate grab for power by so-called conservatives. (By the way, isn’t there some sort of expiration date on the use of the term “conservative,” especially when what’s being considered is radical indeed — getting rid of a traditional political instrument whose history extends back to the early 1800s?) The wiping out of the filibuster could, in fact, represent the sort of great leap downhill (no slippery slide here) in the direction of a one-party state that many fear. After all, the accruing of unprecedented power to a majority party in the Senate will in reasonably short order lead to unprecedented control over the nation’s judiciary. Just remind me, what’s actually left after that?


“YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!”

Baxter Greene on August 17, 2009 at 8:21 PM

Here’s what I think will happen: the Dems will come up with different language to say the same thing, count on public fatigue to make the protestors look like continual whiners, and send government healthcare through the back door.

MobsterinVA on August 17, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Pelosi is actually torpedoing Obama’s ploy of a back door entry of health care. One good turn (of the knife) deserves another I guess.

MaiDee on August 17, 2009 at 9:10 PM

And the Democrats begin yet another inexorable march into complete and total disarray. If they can manage not to destroy the country in the process, it should be rather entertaining.

PoodleSkirt on August 17, 2009 at 9:57 PM

stldave on August 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM

VERY NICE! +20

Yellowdog12 on August 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM

It’s a classic case of The Tail Wagging The Puppy!

hahahahahahahaha!

TN Mom on August 17, 2009 at 11:40 PM

since Day One they have made it clear that they are going for the jugular.
Blacksmith on August 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM

and there it is. Thanks Blacksmith.
Prepare the stiff upper arm.

Plain truth
Hard Spoken.

seesalrun on August 18, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Also, as Karl noted earlier in the Greenroom, the more public scrutiny is focused on the public option, the less focused it is on other unpalatable aspects of ObamaCare like the individual mandate.

A very good point. The battle against H.R.3200 is a target rich environment for us: taxpayer funded health care for illegal aliens, federally funded abortion, rationing of healthcare, and the dubious financing model will do for starters. Let’s apply pressure on these and as many other points as possible. Kill the bill.

Assegai on August 18, 2009 at 1:03 AM

Oh! I forgot to mention the proposed Medicare cuts. (Actually part of the dubious financing model.)

Assegai on August 18, 2009 at 1:07 AM

Without a public option, or some other trojan horse, what exactly is the point of the bill?

amkun on August 18, 2009 at 1:25 AM

Soon a House will fall on Pelosi and us Munchkins will celebrate.

Geochelone on August 18, 2009 at 3:44 AM

As you read this you have to wonder who is running this asylum. Either Pelosi or Emanual. The One is the pitch man, always in campaign mode and you know he can’t be running the show. He spends less time at the WH than a tourist. Maybe Axlerod is running the show.

Wills on August 18, 2009 at 9:10 AM

I just can’t stop laughing. The Dimocrats haven’t read the bill, the American people have. These “representatives” are so meglomaniacal that they can’t stand the fact that the untouchables of society, their constituents, are undermining their efforts to seize even more power.

The only saving grace is that those hoping to get re-elected are jumping like rats from a sinking ship.

Take a look at the architects of this mess…Henry “Ratface” Waxman, David “Adolph” Alexrod, Rahm “toe dancer” Emanual, Robert “stuttering John” Gibbs, Nancy “Is my face too tight” Pelosi, not to mention the stepford twins Kathleen “did I say that” Sebelius, Linda “I don’t get confused by the facts” Douglass wow this could go on and on…now this is change you can believe in. Bwaahahahahahahh.

PatriotPete on August 18, 2009 at 9:10 AM

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