Democrat: I don’t care what my constituents think, I’m voting for single-payer

posted at 6:04 pm on August 17, 2009 by Allahpundit

The audio’s poor so I’m sending you to the Wash Times site, where you can follow along on the transcript, to watch. I have no problem with this in principle, incidentally; Bush ignored the opinions of most of his constituents in ordering the surge and it turned out to be the right move. If a pol’s supposed to robotically follow the polling on every issue then we might as well replace representatives with actual robots and institute direct democracy. And yet … on a subject as hot-button as this, after having won a 51/49 election last year, this guy’s clearly taking his electoral life in his hands by saying this out loud. But he’s exactly what The One needs to pass a public option and exactly what I had in mind in the last post when I talked about the White House peeling a few Blue Dogs away. Are there enough Democrats from purplish/reddish districts willing to risk their futures to pass the progressive utopian dream of universal health care? Massa says he’s willing to brave an 80/20 split among his constituents to get it done. How many other centrists are prepared to kamikaze for the cause?

Whatever the answer, this is going to make one hell of a Republican campaign commercial. Click the image to watch.


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Aight.

Later, all.

Upstater85 on August 17, 2009 at 7:28 PM

The point is, that I don’t think this understanding really exists anymore.

Upstater85 on August 17, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Now, that is sad – but realistic.

OldEnglish on August 17, 2009 at 7:28 PM

and it’s exactly why we should not rest until the bill is buried deep in the earth. They will shift and squirm and pass something that will leave the gates open for their Trojan Horse.

I say no to all “reform”. All of it, no concessions, no modifications, until Medicare and Medicaid are fixed and in the black.

I’m not falling for anything they have an agenda and we must remain vigilant.

seesalrun on August 17, 2009 at 7:30 PM

OldEnglish on August 17, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Sad indeed… seems like nothing obvious even exists anymore.

I think one of the problems is that we aren’t real enough nowadays.

ConservativeJawa on August 17, 2009 at 7:30 PM

seesalrun on August 17, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Agreed… we need to fix the problems before we introduce more.

ConservativeJawa on August 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM

hard con: justice/fairness = encroachment

reconciling these camps is basically impossible. here’s to hoping the middle holds…

ernesto on August 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM

There is a reason for that, ernesto. Both sides hold a different view as to what those two words actually mean. When someone of the left uses them, I know that I’m about to be screwed.

OldEnglish on August 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Mr Massa is a rare breed…an honest Democrat.

They must lie to remain in office, you know.

For that reason, there are no multi-term honest Democrats.

notagool on August 17, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Bush ignored the opinions of most of his constituents in ordering the surge and it turned out to be the right move.

The two are not comparable. Bush, as the commander in chief followed the advice of his most capable generals and ordered the surge. A tactical decision in time of war is not subject to polling data and does not require buy-in from the general public. Domestic policy decisions are a different animal and politicians need to regard their constituents (as some have pointed out above).

runner on August 17, 2009 at 7:35 PM

This health care destruction bill is a total trojan horse. It must be burned down to the ground.

Mojave Mark on August 17, 2009 at 7:35 PM

He doesn’t believe this will cost him reelection. He believes his messiah will save him. Must have touched the hem of his cloak.

SKYFOX on August 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM

From 21 DEC 1936 SCOTUS ruling in US v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp. in the FOUND section:

2) The powers of the Federal Government over foreign or external affairs differ in nature and origin from those over domestic or internal affairs. P. 315.

(3) The broad statement that the Federal Government can exercise no powers except those specifically enumerated in the Constitution, and such implied powers as are necessary and proper to carry into effect the enumerated powers, is categorically true only in respect of our internal affairs. In that field, the primary purpose of the Constitution was to carve from the general mass of legislative powers then possessed by the States such portions as it was thought desirable to vest in the Federal Government, leaving those not included in the enumeration still in the States. Id.

(4) The States severally never possessed international powers. P. 316.

(5) As a result of the separation from Great Britain by the Colonies, acting as a unit, the powers of external sovereignty passed from the Crown not to the Colonies severally, but to the Colonies in their collective and corporate capacity as the United States of America. Id.

(6) The Constitution was ordained and established, among other things, to form “a more perfect Union.” Prior to that event, the Union, declared by the Articles of Confederation to be “perpetual,” was the sole possessor of external sovereignty, and in the Union it remained without change save insofar as the Constitution, in express terms, qualified its exercise. Though the States were several, their people, in respect of foreign affairs, were one. P. 317.

(7) The investment of the Federal Government with the powers of external sovereignty did not depend upon the affirmative grants of the Constitution. P. 318.

(8) In the international field, the sovereignty of the United States is complete. Id.

(9) In international relations, the President is the sole organ of the Federal Government. P. 319.

(10) In view of the delicacy of foreign relations and of the power peculiar to the President in this regard, Congressional legislation which is to be made effective in the international field must [p306] often accord to him a degree of discretion and freedom which would not be admissible were domestic affairs alone involved. P. 319.

(11) The marked difference between foreign and domestic affairs in this respect is recognized in the dealings of the houses of Congress with executive departments. P. 321.

The command of the armies and the navies is given explicitly to the President, as is the foreign policy powers. There is no council, no consultation, nothing that stops a President from exercising those powers. When electing a President these powers are going to be vested in the individual who wins the election for their term in office, which is why one must consider all the qualifications of a candidate before electing them. A failure to execute in any area the powers given to the President can lead to absolute disaster. The President comes up for re-election ONCE.

Congresscritters called Representatives are to represent the Will of the People. On close issues they will have to make judgment calls, and rarely they will go against the better judgment of the majority in their districts and face the consequences in the next election cycle or be recalled if the State has that in their code. It is not a caretaker role, but one of a steward who is to serve their constituency and rarely make tough calls. Good stewardship is represented by being popular and re-elected… with such large districts and disenchantment with the election system, that is no longer effective. When you get over 500,000 people you have less accountability than with 30,000: every constituent matters a whole lot more at 1:30k than 1:550k. A simple plurality of support with significant no-shows will win you a seat, so you can stop acting like a steward and start acting like aristocracy.

Mark Steyn calls them the Emirs of Incumbistan. We are in the vassal State of Electistan and get whatever the Emirs decide is best for us. I would prefer not to live in Incumbistan or Electistan, but America… unfortunately we have two parties of aristocrats seeking perennial re-election with minorities and pluralities, and disenchanting enough people to get elected. Like all aristocracy they lose their common sense when they don’t have a real job to do…and only regain it with pitchforks, tar and feathers, plus a rail to help them get the right direction.

ajacksonian on August 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

They have totally forgotten that
Their JOB is a
REPRESENTATIVE

That means they are SUPPOSED TO
REPRESENT what we the people WANT

NOT what he thinks is in our best interests..

That is NOT his job..
PERIOD..
These BUMS all need to be thrown out of office
NOW..

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

veteranoutrage on August 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Bush ignored the opinions of most of his constituents in ordering the surge and it turned out to be the right move. If a pol’s supposed to robotically follow the polling on every issue then we might as well replace representatives with actual robots and institute direct democracy.

That is the Allah we know and …………….
Who is the left wing version of Allah in the blogosphere?
Oh yeah, there isn’t any. He’s all ours.

RobCon on August 17, 2009 at 7:44 PM

RobCon on August 17, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Don’t give AP all the credit…

identifying this condundrum was all Burke’s doing. interesting stuff by the way, delegate model vs. trustee model…

ernesto on August 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Explorers Discover Giant Rat-Eating Plant, Name it After Famed Scientist

Fox News ^ | August 17, 2009 | Unattributed

Time to landscape Congress.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on August 17, 2009 at 7:51 PM

When did congress ever read bills? They’ve always had armies of staff lawyers that pick the bills apart looking for key clauses pertinent to their boss’s position…they’re just being called on it for the first time now. I sincerely hope a GOP led congress is held to the same standard from now on though…read the bill! is a fine call, so long as its levied evenly.

ernesto on August 17, 2009 at 7:26 PM

I agree they are all pretty much worthless.

And I totally agree that all members of Congress, regardless of the party affiliation, need to read the damn bills before they vote.

ladyingray on August 17, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Holy smokes! I live in CT now, but I am originally from Elmira, NY – in Massa’s 29th District of Western New York. I’ve been trying to follow his record in the local paper and recall several letters to the editor lauding him for standing up for the people in his district by voting against the Cap & Trade bill (it seemed to me, however, that he was one of those that received “dispensation” to do so by Pelosi, given his “right-wing Republican” district). While I find it somewhat refreshing that Massa is bluntly honest, it is another case of the mask slipping. Too many of our so-called representatives in Washington believe that THEY KNOW BETTER HOW TO RUN OUR LIVES THAN WE DO!

Logic on August 17, 2009 at 8:13 PM

“I will vote against their opinion if I actually believe it will help them me.”

Fixed that for you.

18-1 on August 17, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Same thing Sheila Jackson Lee said to Greta…more or less.

SouthernGent on August 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM

I wouldn’t protest too much against this logic. That way when votes replace their ideology we can replay this on the left. After all whats good for the goose is good for the gander

lwssdd on August 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Thank you for defending my honor.

Upstater85 on August 17, 2009 at 6:42 PM

No problem, I was just defending my Western NY territory. I don’t know about Slaughter’s chances (she’s probably still pretty safe) but no doubt about it, Massa, Maffei and Higgins will be going down in 2010.

Dusty on August 17, 2009 at 8:49 PM

ernesto on August 17, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Your arguments through this discussion are well reasoned.
They’d have more weight if the following conditions were true;

1. There was a specific bill being considered (not 2-4 versions.)
2. There had already been a robust debate.
3. Our elected representatives had read, and fully understood the bill.

Absent all of these conditions – our reps are voting on a bill they have not read, and do not understand.

How, then, is it justified, that they would say “we know better, so we’ll vote what’s best for you?”

massrighty on August 17, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Hey they voted for it.

Congrats to all the voters in the district that get this guy. Well to bad for Grannies in the district that are part of the 80% of ‘cost’ that Obama wants to cut.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jun2009/pers-j16.shtml

Obama recently told the New York Times that prolonging the lives of terminally ill and very old people presently accounts for 80 percent of the total health care bill. He suggested that such outlays might not be cost-effective.

Grannies all over America will be thinking of people like this Bllllleeeeep Massa.

PappyD61 on August 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Good for him. Sometimes a public figure just has to do the right thing in spite of his idiot constituency. Save them from themselves…please!

Blueneck on August 17, 2009 at 7:10 PM

You were, of course, saying this about all of the Anti-Terror policies of the Bush Administration, right?

See, I don’t self-identify as an idiot.
Why do you?

massrighty on August 17, 2009 at 9:01 PM

And if these stupid idiots re-elect him, they deserve him.

MaiDee on August 17, 2009 at 9:05 PM

I agree with Allah. They should do what they believe in doing once they get elected, regardless (for the most part) of the polling data.

This is why voters should pay close attention to their candidate’s positions before voting.

watson007 on August 17, 2009 at 9:09 PM

There’s hope in the lower end of NYS tonight. Greg Ball, R who is currently in the NYS Assembly held a town hall on HR 3200. He had an empty chair for John Hall, D who is our current Rep. Yes, THAT John Hall. Hall has been having invite-only town halls at hospitals with docs and hospital employees only. About 200 people there and mostly seniors. He is having a number of these town halls throughout the district and will run against Hall next year. Ball let a number of people from the audience speak and then summarized everything and said he would pass it on to Hall. I thought it was a pretty smart move for this guy to make – he’s starting his campaign now on the sentiments against the health care bill.

mph on August 17, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Wow, pretty pompous! I think he might be related to my Representative. He votes however Pelosi tells him to vote, regardless of what his constituents say. Who the hell do these guys think they work for?

Oh, and by the way Allahpundit, this is not the Iraq war where the President saw the intel and the voters didn’t. This is about our health care, and we know as much about what we, the citizens need as they do, so comparing these two circumstances is really asinine.

Susanboo on August 17, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Does this guy understand what “representative” means?

Jackasses like this are why monarchs had their heads handed to them.

NoDonkey on August 17, 2009 at 11:14 PM

If he represents a “very republican” district (as the claimed in the video) how did he get elected in the first place?

TopLawyer on August 17, 2009 at 11:42 PM

For that reason, there are no multi-term honest Democrats.

notagool on August 17, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.

Black Adam on August 18, 2009 at 2:12 AM

He was more truthful the way he worded it the first time. He said, “I’ll vote against their interests. The second time he said he’d vote against their opinion. There’s a world of difference there.

Steven on August 18, 2009 at 3:14 AM

Allahpundit, you seem to be confusing something/not differentiating political roles: President Bush is/was not a REPRESENTATIVE. He is/was the chief executive of the Executive Branch of government. A senator or congressman IS, on the other hand, a representative of his constituents. Bush’s constituency was the whole of the United States, not a single district, and I’m not so sure the plurality of the US was against the surge, anyway, was it? And, even if they were, still, he’s really only Constitutionally-bound to listen to Congress. Congress, however, is supposed to be a pack of people specifically elected into their positions to represent the people, as directly as possible. If they vote against their constituents, it’s not supposed to be a matter of pure socialist agendizing and hatred (which this very clearly is). This guy not only said he didn’t care about his constituents, but he pretty much hated them and derided them as being a bunch of detestable low-lives, simply because they harbored political opinions different from his own (which is on the fast-track to criminalization). So, while you mightn’t have a problem with his going against the will of the people that he’s supposed to represent, per-se, I do. I do, because it’s being done in the spirit of anything other than democracy. It’s being done, because he specified that he couldn’t care less what his constituents said or wanted, it was his way, or the highway. This is the type of bureaucrat that made the word “politician” into a hated pejorative. A representative that votes against his constituents’ interests (especially their best ones, like this guy is doing) needs to be removed, because, at that point, he is no longer a representative, but a tyrant.

Virus-X on August 18, 2009 at 3:41 AM

An honest politician! Ought to have him stuffed so future generations can marvel.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 18, 2009 at 5:59 AM

Not at all surprising that “The ol’ Massa” is from NY. None of them give a sh*t about what we think.

Mr. Grump on August 18, 2009 at 6:54 AM

Saying Massa won by a 51/49 margin is a bit generous. He won by just over 1,000 votes, against an incumbent (Randy Kuhl) who is quite moderate and was tarred by Massa (after Massa ran for that seat for two years straight–it was his only job!) as being in Bush’s pocket. Without the outrage against Republican incumbents last year, Massa would have had his assa handed to him.

He’s got a town hall in Fairport, NY next Wednesday (Perinton Town Center, look it up for directions), and I have a feeling he’s gonna hear it from his constituents, big time (as if that’s gonna change his mind, right?). And the Fairport/Pittsford area is the more liberal part of his district. If he pushes this nonsense, the Republicans could run Mickey Mouse against him next year, and Massa would lose. He’s no moderate, he’s no Blue Dog-type Dem. He has been and always will be a liberal (even though he did vote against cap-and-trade).

Pope Linus on August 18, 2009 at 8:30 AM

They have totally forgotten that
Their JOB is a
REPRESENTATIVE

Too true. Maybe this can better help people understand the democrat nanny state. We will do what we deem is good for you, not what you elected us to do…and no running with scissors either!

Oh, and the 2.5% sur-tax if you don’t sign up for the single payer system is obviously for your own good. The libertard idiots are just pissed because the American people read. Those who have read the bill know what’s in it and are more prepared and knowledgable they the people they elected to do this work.

PatriotPete on August 18, 2009 at 8:40 AM

Bush ignored the opinions of most of his constituents in ordering the surge and it turned out to be the right move.

riiiiight. C’mon Allah. I accept the arguement that reps vote their conscience then we ream them later for being idiots, at the polls.

But the Bush comparison doesn’t fly. Why? Because the Commander in Chief has legions of generals skilled in the art of war and access to military intelligence, and therefore has more information than the public.

On healthcare, there’s a 1000+ page bill that so twisted and tangled that no one understands it, plus democratic leadership is breathing down their necks.

NickelAndDime on August 18, 2009 at 8:57 AM

The nutroot members in the video all look to me like dudes who did not get much action in high school and college.

angryed on August 18, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Massa voted with the GOP on cap-n-tax.

kooly on August 18, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Who’s going to be next after Mr. Massa to join the Obamacare Martyr’s Brigade?

ted c on August 18, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Is anyone really shocked by this? These people need to be thrown out of office and made to come back to the real world. I don’t care if they are gop/dfl or lib. All of them need to be replaced with real hard working NORMAL Ameicans. It’s time to throw them OUT!!!

mmcnamer1 on August 18, 2009 at 10:39 AM

I am one of Mr. Massa’s constituents; what shall I ask him at the town hall?

kooly on August 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Jeanine Pirro shall rise from the political grave!!!

Huffing and puffing with her Italian Princess ‘Tude!

She shall take on the Gillibrand!

blatantblue on August 17, 2009 at 6:38 PM

I’d prefer someone from Upstate… Let Downstate be represented by Schumer (who actually gives halfway decent commencement speeches).

Upstater85 on August 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM

I’m a little late to this thread, Upstater85… my apologies. But as a (former) Elmiran myself, I happen to know that Jeanine Pirro is originally from Elmira and much of her family still lives there. (For a very small city, Elmira has more than its share of famous sons and daughters. Eileen Collins is my favorite!)

Logic on August 18, 2009 at 12:28 PM

(For a very small city, Elmira has more than its share of famous sons and daughters. Eileen Collins is my favorite!)

Hal Roach was much funnier, but, Jeanine is some looker for a woman my age.

This is making me homesick for places like Horseheads (Not far from the other end of the horse) and Addison (The home of Addison’s Disease)

Mr. Grump on August 18, 2009 at 12:47 PM

(For a very small city, Elmira has more than its share of famous sons and daughters. Eileen Collins is my favorite!)

Hal Roach was much funnier, but, Jeanine is some looker for a woman my age.

This is making me homesick for places like Horseheads (Not far from the other end of the horse) and Addison (The home of Addison’s Disease)

Mr. Grump on August 18, 2009 at 12:47 PM

From whence do you hail, Mr. Grump? I still have my house and some other property back in Elmira. In fact, after deciding never to rent again, I’m fixing up my house there to serve as a guest house for myself, family and friends who might need a place to stay while visiting the area. The bedrooms are being decorated in honor of famous Elmirans: the Hal Roach/Ernie Davis Room; the Olivia Langdon Room; and the Eileen Collins Room. It won’t be finished for at least another year (I have to proceed as I can afford it), but I will be happy to consider lending you the key someday.

Logic on August 18, 2009 at 1:29 PM

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