Canada wants to overhaul their system, too
posted at 10:11 am on August 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
While Barack Obama continues to hail Canada’s health-care system as a model for the US to follow, its own constituencies warn that it’s nearing a collapse. Saying that a “health care revolution has passed us by,” the president of the Canadian Medical Association wants a major change to eliminate long wait times and inject creativity back into the hidebound system. Dr. Robert Ouellette wants to use competition to do it:
The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country’s health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it. …
The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there’s a critical need to make Canada’s health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France.
His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that “a health-care revolution has passed us by,” that it’s possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and “that competition should be welcomed, not feared.”
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.
He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and other health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget. This “activity-based funding” would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.
Interestingly, the push for reform here in the US has taken the exact opposite approach. Stop paying doctors per procedure and service, the thinking goes, and the doctors will not have a profit incentive to overtreat patients. That would theoretically cut costs and make health care both more efficient and keep unnecessary treatments at a minimum.
Instead, it results in rationing and long wait times. If clinics and hospitals don’t get compensated for the procedures and treatments they deliver, then they have to make that lump-sum or annual salary stretch. They have to put off hiring more doctors to offer more services, even if the number of patients increase. The results are entirely predictable, as the artificially stunted resources get overwhelmed by legitimate demand.
Activity-based funding and competition. That’s what the American model has now. Why should we abandon that at the very moment when the single-payer system to our north has finally begun to realize the values of those qualities?










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Evil-monger! Dear Leader told us to stop making Canada a boogeyman. I’m reporting this to the Ministry of Opposition Suppression.
BPD on August 17, 2009 at 10:15 AM
Makes sense. We’re attempting to become a European-style socialist nation while Europe is moving away from socialism. Why not do the opposite of Canada as well?
Doughboy on August 17, 2009 at 10:15 AM
Okay, so socialized health care has never worked. But I just know that if we keep trying the same exact thing, the outcome will eventually be different, right?
Daggett on August 17, 2009 at 10:16 AM
So you mean to say that the Canadian Government ISN’T running & operating a well-oiled healthcare machine?
I’m dashed!
singlemalt_18 on August 17, 2009 at 10:16 AM
meh … they’re always talking about cutting down on wait times here, we’ll see if it ever happens. My mom’s getting a colonoscopy today that she had to wait 1 year for….
CityFish on August 17, 2009 at 10:16 AM
So is this kinda like Obama telling the Caterpillar CEO that they’re going to rehire employees—when they weren’t???
ted c on August 17, 2009 at 10:17 AM
“Just pass the bill, we need health care reform NOW,” scream the liberals.
Consequences be damned.
uknowmorethanme on August 17, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Of *COURSE* they’re looking at adding a private option!
They’re going to make a *FORTUNE* treating Americans coming to the Great White North for treatment!
Mew
acat on August 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Hmmm, competition, and payment for actual services rendered. Radical!
Rational Thought on August 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Paying for goods or services delivered is racist or something.
rbj on August 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM
I blame Terrance & Phillip but that’s just me…
metric on August 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM
To: Linda Douglass
White House Snitch Web Site Administrator
Re: Fishy Statements
Dear Ms. Douglas,
I want to draw your attention to Mr. Robert Ouellet, presdident of the Canadian Medical Association…
ujorge on August 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Any what better way to make a system “patient focused” than to have the paitent pay for more care via HSAs. Seems to work best whereever it, free markets, is tried.
WashJeff on August 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM
One physician = Canada?
CrankyIndependent on August 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM
This is typical of a nationalized healthcare system.
It is chronically underfunded a 2-3% or more each year.
Nothing much changes for a decade, but after that, the infrastructure becomes more obsolete. Then the cost of maintaining the old stuff cuts into the budget for new equipment and technology. Eventually it falls apart from obsolescence.
I moved from Canada in 1977 to Texas to practice.
My sister just told me that as of Oct 1, 2009, the Ontario Government will start to pay for PETscans. This is a techology that has been available for a decade already in the USA. She is coming to Texas for treatment of her cancer as the newest drugs aren’t available in Ontario. Too expensive!
txdoc on August 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM
HSA’s are a no-go because they take power away from the government. We can’t have people making their own decisions for themselves, this country would veer into anarchy!
uknowmorethanme on August 17, 2009 at 10:21 AM
One physician = Canada?
That one physician is in charge of the whole thing in Canada.
uknowmorethanme on August 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM
I keep hearing anecdotal info on doctors bailing out of the AMA in droves, as well as seniors walking away from BELCH, uh, excuse me, I meant AARP. Anyone have anything more solid than this?
Patrick S on August 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM
France among other countries is experiencing the same problem. Remember that all of these countries have been throwing greater and greater percentages of their GDP down the healthcare and safety net ratholes for a generation, because the US has been protecting them militarily.
That’s left the politicians with more room to bribe the taxpayers with their own money.
Drained Brain on August 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM
No problem. The Canadians and the Europeans had their half century of collectivist ignorance of threats while living under our defense umbrella and allowing us to be the engine of the world economy. Now it’s out turn! Get to work on “our” defense, Gordon! Time to get up and produce some wealth, Pierre! And don’t forget to treat us with deference, Klaus!
trubble on August 17, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Maybe the people who say socialized medicine never works were right all along?
tarpon on August 17, 2009 at 10:23 AM
So the world’s libs are rethinking their Kommiecare, just as the dolts here are trying to drag us down into the euromuck.
Kjeil on August 17, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Must read by Andy McCarthy on how Obamacare would strip you of the right to resolve disputes about health care in the courts. This, of course, is exactly what Canada does.
ProfessorMiao on August 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM
HELLO? ANYONE IN THE WH THESE DAYS? NO? OUT GALLIVANTING AROUND THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD APOLOGIZING?
CynicalOptimist on August 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM
I, for one, welcome our new Canadian overlords.
DrAllecon on August 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Drained Brain on August 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM
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Yep. Either we need to start billing for services rendered, or see if we can work out a deal with Russia. “We’ll pull out, you take over, you pay us X for ….”
Mew
acat on August 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM
The Canadians were smart to free themselves from Britain. Britain appears to be in denial still. After all, they still think that royalty is relevant. There are quite a few in Congress who believe royalty is relevant, too — and they think they are it — Kennedy, Kerry, Boxer, Schumer, Pelosi . . . the list goes on.
Bob in VA on August 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Something smells fishy. Perhaps I’ll flag the president of the Canadian Medical Association for his comments.
jbh45 on August 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM
He’s the head of the Canadian Medical Association, but the federal, provincial and territorial governments are in charge. The CMA can make suggestions about policy, but the policy-makers are the governments.
ProfessorMiao on August 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM
God works in mysterious ways.
notagool on August 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM
The proponents of the public option in Obamacare show a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature. People don’t work harder or demonstrate initiative for nothing (see the USSR for reference).
Closer to home, when was the last time you were stuck in traffic waiting to pay the toll at a bridge or tunnel? Were those toll collectors trying to speed the process? Of course not! They got paid the same no matter how many cars went through their lane.
Now ask yourself, do we want to turn doctors into toll collectors?
walkingboss on August 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Kjeil on August 17, 2009 at 10:25 AM
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American liberals – running 20-40 years behind the curve…
Mew
acat on August 17, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Can you hear all of the stiffs screaming from their coffins up there, “Too Late!”
ted c on August 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM
I tried to flag@whitehouse.gov this article, but my email bounced back =(.
jhffmn on August 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Awesome, so where are the Canadian Lib Trolls to tell us how awesomely awesome Canada HC is?
kirkill on August 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Obama’s response to this news, “Watch me, I’ll make this socialized medicine look gooood, yo.”
ted c on August 17, 2009 at 10:34 AM
That’s an important point that needs to be hammered on each time the Left brings up Europe.
They have extra money to pay for healthcare because they aren’t paying for military. Europe could not even handle a problem like Kosovo. Not even the whole of Yugoslavia, but basically a backyard dispute in Rhode Island. And Europe did not have the equipment to handle it.
rbj on August 17, 2009 at 10:34 AM
More revanchist propaganda from the medical-industrial complex as spoken by an obvious lapdog of big pharma !!!
elgeneralisimo on August 17, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Don’t listen to Canada. They’re too well dressed.
LibTired on August 17, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Two words from the filthy liar in the White House: I won.
That’s why we should abandon what works. The filthy liar campaigned on this very seizure and he is playing a zero sum game to deliver up 1/5 the US economy to the radicals running his administration while he flits around the world at taxpayer expense.
highhopes on August 17, 2009 at 10:35 AM
I’m starting to understand Obama’s rush.
It’s going to be a lot harder in 5-10 years when socialized medicine in other western nations begins to collapse.
jhffmn on August 17, 2009 at 10:36 AM
This White House and this Congress aren’t much interested in the continued funding of our military, so it might work out well for them.
myrenovations on August 17, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Cutting elective surgeries in Vancouver for the Olympics.
Who seriously thinks any actual surgeons had any medical input into this decision?
Examples abound. That’s just one.
Drained Brain on August 17, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Maybe Michael Moore would like to go to Canada and straighten out their health care problems.
fourdeucer on August 17, 2009 at 10:39 AM
I just have to chuckle
Obama with his hands over his ears….‘I can’t hear you Canada’
cmsinaz on August 17, 2009 at 10:40 AM
But, I didn’t mean too.
Johan Klaus on August 17, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Daggett – I believe that’s the definition of insanity. How appropos.
Carol in MD on August 17, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Ders pus runnin’outa my wounded arm. Charlie shot me deer huntin’l ast fall and I be watin’ fer medical care. I’m sposed to see da doc in October.
Jeff from WI on August 17, 2009 at 10:43 AM
ooopps…sorry…I forgot “Ay!”
Jeff from WI on August 17, 2009 at 10:43 AM
This is great! Without the GOP having to do anything the libs are becoming a laughing stock.
Ain’t it a shame. To be shot down in flames.
HoustonRight on August 17, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Arbitrary budgets set by government is no way to operate anything effectively.
A question for my American friends; have you ever heard of hospitals “closing” beds? It happens all the time here. The hospital’s budget is insufficient to staff and operate the full facility, so they just stop using a certain proportion of their capacity.
A curcosry Google search on the phrase “closing beds” returns a lot of hits from Canada, Australia & Great Britain but, funnily enough, not from the U.S.
Go figure.
landshark on August 17, 2009 at 10:44 AM
LOL!
Blake on August 17, 2009 at 10:44 AM
“cursory”
-dang!
landshark on August 17, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Hmmmm….my conscientious self also felt the need to flag this rabble rousing doctor. Mine also came back!! Can it be that they have shut down the fishy emailbox??? LOLOL How many more hits can the guy take? I have to believe that there aren’t enough steak knives (or desks) in Rahm’s office, these days.
hoosiermama on August 17, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Wait times for MRIs soaring in Canada.
19 weeks??
Ronnie on August 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM
In the queue at the hospital.
Johan Klaus on August 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Bwahahahahahahaha!
If I didn’t know better, I’d swear God had unzipped his fly and was raining on Dear Leader’s ‘Grand Parade’.
CPT. Charles on August 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM
But.. But… it’s THE MESSIAH who’s doing it THIS time! Of COURSE the outcome will be different!!! What could possibly go wrong?
Fishoutofwater on August 17, 2009 at 10:48 AM
LOL…like in “Little Rascals”: “And then the sky opened up, and God said, ‘I hate you, Alfalfa!’”
hoosiermama on August 17, 2009 at 10:50 AM
I love it. Doctors are to fix Canada’s Medical problems??? THE DOCTORS DIDN’T CREATE THE PROBLEMS! Doctors are the fellow victims of State run medicine. The only way for Canada to fix the problem is go back to a privatized system and de-socialize the one they have. Go back to private health care and Canada would be cool again.
It’s like asking teachers to fix government run education. The teachers aren’t the problem the socialized system is.
Mojave Mark on August 17, 2009 at 10:51 AM
I tried to flag@whitehouse.gov this article, but my email bounced back =(.
jhffmn on August 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM
According to Drudge they pulled the plug on the snitch line. :(
milwife88 on August 17, 2009 at 10:55 AM
But our socialism will be the exception to history, of course, what with BO running the show and all.
anglee99 on August 17, 2009 at 10:57 AM
No. Due to the influx of illegal aliens, in Southern California hospitals go out of business or shut down their Emergency Dept. altogether.
Another problem, is that some specialists refuse to be on call for some ERs. If the patients are mostly nonpaying illegal aliens, they get paid a pittance if they get paid at all. Who regularly wants to be called out of bed in the middle of the night and work for free? We don’t ask that of other professions. This means, if you get hurt Friday night, even if you have insurance, and you need a specialist, there are less taking call and you may not be seen until Monday.
Blake on August 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM
This week seems to be starting as badly for The One as last week ended. Heh.
Drained Brain on August 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Even if the Canadian system ran great, what is the percentage of dead beats not paying into the system there, compared to the bloodsucking leeches we have here.
Jeff from WI on August 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Hey, that’s only for humans. Cats and dogs get MRIs within days if their owners are willing to pay for them. The government-owned MRI machines are rented out to vetrinarians to make money, and that way they don’t have to pay more radiologists to deal with human cases. Makes sense to me! Miao!!
ProfessorMiao on August 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM
I smell a Brooks Brothers suit somewhere!
Eh?
profitsbeard on August 17, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Nice Politico story from the “Headlines” section. Now White House is villifing the press for the townhall coverage.
NickelAndDime on August 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM
All productive Canadian citizens are paying higher taxes than they would in the U.S., even with far less spending per capita on defense (Canadian “defence”). The same generally goes for Europeans. They lack discretionary income because the government is making the decisions for them.
Drained Brain on August 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM
It’s funded on a mix of tax dollars and employer contributions (in some provinces), so those who pay no taxes are “leeches”. I don’t know what proportion of the population pays no taxes. I’m not sure how widespread the problem of abuse my illegal immigrants is; nobody seems to care about those statistics. But our illegal immigrant population is a miniscule fraction of yours.
ProfessorMiao on August 17, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Paging AnninCA…you have a telephone call at the front desk…
bluelightbrigade on August 17, 2009 at 11:06 AM
YOUTUBE is now “the press” I suppose.
hoosiermama on August 17, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Canadians face long waits for drug coverage.
Sort of like waiting for a letter from the USPS.
Drained Brain on August 17, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Maybe if we can delay a couple years, I can get on board with a switch to a Canadian-style health care system.
As for the WH complaining about the press coverage. Heh. They’re trying as best they can to ignore the town halls, but they have so much good video of angry seniors, moms and dads, and stoopid politicians that they can’t avoid filling some time with it.
hawksruleva on August 17, 2009 at 11:10 AM
It makes sense for them to adopt more of a free market model. Right now lots of Canadians come here and spend lots of money to get better health care. If we go socialistic then that goes away. If Canada changes then lots of Americans will be going to Canada and spending lots of money. The other thing that will happen is that high paid good talent will move to Canada making them the world leader in health care. Canada sees an opportunity and they just may grab on to it.
Never in my life would I have imagined seeing a successful country have so many people that want so desperately to have it fail. I can understand the desire of some wanting communism but not the desire to force others into sharing it.
RagTag on August 17, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Illegals aren’t stupid. They don’t want to freeze their butts off 4 months of the year.
rbj on August 17, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Why didn’t Dr. Ouellet go to the United States? It’s a lot closer to Canada than Europe, and has a much better health-care system than England or France! (I’ve been to both England and France, can’t speak for the others).
Activity-based funding, like doctors being paid for the care they give? What a novel idea!!! How can anyone run a hospital on a lump-sum budget? Tell people not to get sick or have accidents?
Dr. Ouellet is on to something here, but does he still want the Government to allocate the resources? Would he transfer funds away from low-activity hospitals to high-activity hospitals? What happens if there’s some major disaster in a rural area, and not enough doctors to treat the victims?
Dr. Ouellet might have some good ideas, but he hasn’t mentioned the magic word: PRIVATE health care…
Steve Z on August 17, 2009 at 11:16 AM
That’s exactly how central planning works.
But the provincial government is also experimenting with pay-for-performance funding in Vancouver British Columbia. As Steve Z. says, what a novel idea…
Drained Brain on August 17, 2009 at 11:21 AM
It’s funded on a mix of tax dollars and employer contributions (in some provinces), so those who pay no taxes are “leeches”. I don’t know what proportion of the population pays no taxes. I’m not sure how widespread the problem of abuse my illegal immigrants is; nobody seems to care about those statistics. But our illegal immigrant population is a miniscule fraction of yours.ProfessorMiao on August 17, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Ha!there are 2 reasons for that: 1)it’s too cold up here to be desirable (we’re still waiting for global warming) 2)our borders are wide open — just call yourself a refugee!
suzeecue on August 17, 2009 at 11:22 AM
:-) I believe an indication of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Oldnuke on August 17, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Wonder what facts the good Dr. discovered on his “fact-finding” trip to Europe? The “fact” that socialism doesn’t work? Naaah! I think Dr. Ouellet just want to introduce private insurance to Canada because he heard doctors can collect $30,000 big ones for chopping of a foot. The man is nothing more than a sadistic evil-monger! Right president Obama?
RMR on August 17, 2009 at 11:29 AM
So when critics point out that the USA pays much more per capita on health care, it’s not that we’re spending too much, it’s that other nations spend to little?
And people wonder why we’re concerned about rationing under Obamacare?
Tonus on August 17, 2009 at 11:34 AM
LEAVE OCHIMPY ALONE!!!!
csdeven on August 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM
It’s much harder to come in as an illegal by air or sea, and if you’re travelling by land, you have to come through the US. Once there, why keep going?
As for the freezing part, it’s the 2 hot days a year that stop me from running screaming to warmer climes. One of them is today.
ProfessorMiao on August 17, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Ah yes, we provide all refugee claimants with health care (and welfare). I’d love to see Stephen Harper inject some sanity into that process but I doubt he’ll have much luck. Look at the hue and cry when they imposed a visa requirement on people from Mexico and the Czech Republic.
ProfessorMiao on August 17, 2009 at 11:40 AM
What’s so discouraging in this debate is that none of our intelligent leaders have identified the three biggest factors impacting the high cost of medical care and, therefore, health insurance. They are Cost shifting from Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, illegal immigrants and the 8-12 million truly uninsured Americans; personal responsibility, you can’t allow yourself to be overweight and then complain about the high cost of high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabeties and heart disease; and finally tort reform of loser pays all legal expenses. I guess when 2 out of the top 3 factors are casued by the government we’ll never get them to admit those have any impact on the problem.
Hopeless Future on August 17, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Blue Cross of Canada?
If the dems pass healthscare, the millions who work in our nation’s health insurance industry will move their operations to canada, taking much needed revenue from local, state, and federal at a time when our economy is in a recession.
TN Mom on August 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM
They’re not stupid?? Explain illegals in Wisconsin.
Jeff from WI on August 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=299282509335931
Canadian Health Care We So Envy Lies In Ruins, Its Architect Admits
But no one will mention Claude Castonguay — perhaps not surprising because this statesman isn’t an American and hasn’t held office in over three decades.
Castonguay’s evolving view of Canadian health care, however, should weigh heavily on how the candidates think about the issue in this country.
Back in the 1960s, Castonguay chaired a Canadian government committee studying health reform and recommended that his home province of Quebec — then the largest and most affluent in the country — adopt government-administered health care, covering all citizens through tax levies.
The government followed his advice, leading to his modern-day moniker: “the father of Quebec medicare.” Even this title seems modest; Castonguay’s work triggered a domino effect across the country, until eventually his ideas were implemented from coast to coast.
Four decades later, as the chairman of a government committee reviewing Quebec health care this year, Castonguay concluded that the system is in “crisis.”
xler8bmw on August 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM
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RagTag on August 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM
I live in Canada and the reality is that our health care system has been broke for decades. Health care costs continually climb due to the bulk of resources going towards administration (union jobs) costs. The system is also set up so that there is a disincentive for doctor’s to practice here. Canada has suffered a chronic case of doctor shortage for years, hence very long, long waiting lists.
KG in Sask on August 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM
I’ve heard of entire hospitals closing – they’re like any other business and can go under if they are mis-managed, or whatever – but the concept of saying that we’re going to close 100 ICU/Acute Care/Surgery beds, in facilities otherwise open for business, boggles the mind.
And that’s ignoring the process that determines which beds will be closed and where they are located.
Here’s an interesting article. It’s worth noting that the problem is not necessarily the result of a public system, although the reaction to the problem is illustrative of how public systems work.
landshark on August 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Oops, just testing the keyboard and did submit rather then preview. Generally it’s the other way around. :)
RagTag on August 17, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Darn! I was just starting to interpret the profound significance and symbolism of that post.
Drained Brain on August 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Look on the bright side. If our systme goes to h–l. the Canadian system may be back on track and we’ll have someplace to go for treatment. And–if both fail, there’s always India if you’ve got the money. I’ve been hearing stuff about it that sounds OK.
jeanie on August 17, 2009 at 12:09 PM
The Republicans need to follow Pawlenty’s lead and start talking tough against this bill. Pawlenty said the Repub party and conservative movement leaders felt they couldn’t talk about healthcare. The people out around the country are doing the heavy lifting, and I hear little or nothing from the spineless weasels. I think we should demand they trash this bill totally(and don’t believe anything Obama concedes). I want healthcare rationing for illegals, not citizens of this country. No on Cap and Trade. Basically, no on anything Dems are trying to pass. It has to be a constant battle, and no let up, on every issue.
silvernana on August 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Three years ago, my Father suffered a bout of pneumonia that put him in the ICU. After a few days there, they decided the only thing that could save his life was surgery on his lungs. They told me he had a 10% chance of surviving the surgery. Ten.per.cent. They didn’t push for the surgery and they had his DNR. I sometimes wonder, though, if they were expecting a “put him out of his misery” response.
My Dad was intubated and doped up, so Mom turned to me to make the call. Dad was a Coastie in WWII. Fought through four invasions in the Pacific. I figured he’d rather die moving forward than standing still.
Today, Dad is ninety and living happily with his sweetie, my Mom, in a retirement community. He has regained his weight and is progressing from a walker to a cane.
Dad was 87 when he was prognosed with a 90% chance of dying. Despite that, our doctors let me make the call. They allowed – or had to allow – the family to remain firmly in control. Does anyone think Obamacare would have given my Dad the chance to have the past three years and who knows how many more to come?
God bless every money-grubbing member of the American medical community.
Cricket624 on August 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Do people know that this already goes on in the N.H.S
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsPolicyAndGuidance/DH_4126013 .
I work in a foundation hospital.We compete for patients,funding is based on results.
http://www.nhs.uk/servicedirectories/Pages/ServiceSearch.aspx
I am not bothered what health system you have in the U.S ,obviously it is up to you.
I am not saying you should have ours.
But there seems to be and lack of understanding of how the N.H.S works and a lack of interest to gain more knowledge.
mags on August 17, 2009 at 12:25 PM
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