This isn’t about politics?

posted at 11:44 am on August 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

As part of his full-court press in the media on behalf of his flagging health-care system overhaul, Barack Obama penned an op-ed for today’s New York Times.  He garnered a key Sunday slot, which is the opinion journalism equivalent of a prime-time press conference, so one might expect that Obama has something new to add to the debate.  Instead, he gave the same stump speech that Obama uses in every town hall, or greenhouse, as Jim Treacher calls them in honor of the many plants that appear in these forums.

Picking apart the entire essay would be an exercise in redundancy.  Most of the claims he makes, like “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan,” have been thoroughly rebutted, since his overhaul will provide financial incentives for businesses to dump employee coverage in favor of the government-run public option, as the fines for dropping coverage will be far smaller than the costs of providing health insurance.  Obama never even mentions the individual mandates imposed in the House versions of the bill, which will fine people who don’t buy insurance, especially those middle-class taxpayers who don’t make enough for subsidies but can’t afford an expensive policy.

One argument caught my eye, however, and it comes at the end:

In the coming weeks, the cynics and the naysayers will continue to exploit fear and concerns for political gain. But for all the scare tactics out there, what’s truly scary — truly risky — is the prospect of doing nothing. If we maintain the status quo, we will continue to see 14,000 Americans lose their health insurance every day. Premiums will continue to skyrocket. Our deficit will continue to grow. And insurance companies will continue to profit by discriminating against sick people.

That is not a future I want for my children, or for yours. And that is not a future I want for the United States of America.

In the end, this isn’t about politics.

It’s not about politics?  Barack Obama wants to impose a sweeping takeover of the health-care industry by the federal government, and he has the audacity to claim that politics has nothing to do with this?  It has everything to do with it.  Any government program has politics at its basis by definition.

Government will mandate comparative effectiveness models to influence treatment by government-funded providers.   Those decisions will get made not by doctors or patients, but by elected officials who primarily are lawyers, not physicians.  Does anyone believe that politics has nothing to do with the imposition of this kind of rationing?

Democrats have tried a number of strategies to sell ObamaCare to an increasingly skeptical and angry public.  At first, they tried insisting that everyone hated their own status quo, until Gallup polls showed that 83% of people were satisfied with their current coverage.  After that, they tried demonizing insurance executives.  Does that sound as though politics has nothing to do with this proposal?

Up to 10% of medical costs in the US relate to lawsuits.  Providers overuse resources in order to practice defensive medicine to protect themselves from predatory and abusive lawsuits.  Yet not one sentence in the ObamaCare proposals in Congress deal with tort reform, which would immediately cut costs in the health-care industry.  Trial lawyers, not coincidentally, heavily contribute to the Democratic Party currently writing all these bills.  Are we to believe that’s not all about politics?

This is all about politics, which is why Obama had to write the op-ed in today’s Times.  If he loses this battle, he’s wounded politically, and the rest of his agenda will be in deep trouble.

And if anyone thinks that a government-run health-care system won’t have political considerations entering into treatment decisions, let’s revisit this video from the Independence Institute.  It explains how treatment gets funded in the Oregon public plan.

Update: My friend Bruce McQuain makes a great point about Obama wanting this both ways in the essay:

But these lines especially caught my attention:

We are bound to disagree, but let’s disagree over issues that are real, and not wild misrepresentations that bear no resemblance to anything that anyone has actually proposed. This is a complicated and critical issue, and it deserves a serious debate.

They totally contradict this line within the same editorial:

I hear more and more stories like these every single day, and it is why we are acting so urgently to pass health-insurance reform this year.

This is a familiar Obama tactic. Give lip service through high sounding rhetoric about “serious debate”, but in reality be focused on “urgently pass[ing] health insurance this year” and avoiding debate. It is supposed to fool you into thinking he’s committed to debate while in reality he’s trying to push this legislation through as quickly as possible.

It deserved a serious debate, but Obama wanted it rushed through Congress before the August recess precisely because he didn’t want Americans to be able to debate it before passing it.


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330,000,000 population

48,000,000 uninsured (est)
______________

290,000,000 left

/

14,000 dropped policies a day (claim)
_______________

20,714 days (tic-toc)

cool we have 56 years left before we all are pulling our own teeth.

Limerick on August 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM

This has never been about Healthcare Reform. It is about Government seeking control of our lives from Cradle to Grave. Period.

kingsjester on August 16, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Beware the Counterrevolution

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/beware_the_counterrevolution.html

izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM

I pity these angry white hate mobs.

dcwvu on August 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Right back at ya, sister.

Ya’ll have overplayed your race card. Trotting out “RAAAAACIST” for every occasion has rendered the word meaningless, and the threat of it is now empty.

jana on August 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Speaking of the economy, if Obama would cut taxes on businesses and put more people back to work, 14,000 people wouldn’t be losing their health insurance every day due to losing their jobs.

Daggett on August 16, 2009

A great big, fat Amen with cream cheese icing!!

SKYFOX on August 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM

I must give credit to a comment over at Patterico’s most recent post on the astroturf at Rep. Jackson-Lee’s town hall, who referred to the astroturf as “fake boobs.”

Not only are we dealing with “astroturf” and “greenhouses” but also not just “plants” but “implants”, i.e., fake boobs.

Kinda like it myself.

Mongo Mere Pawn on August 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM

In the end, this isn’t about politics.

Here’s another one of Massrighty’s rules;

Whatever politicians say it isn’t about, is exactly what it’s about.

As in:

“This isn’t about the money.”
“This isn’t about politics”
“This isn’t about who won”

Works every time.

massrighty on August 16, 2009 at 12:33 PM

If these “mobs” had not come out to the town hall meetings we would be having ObamaCare rammed down our throats. This is the only reason that Dear Leader and the Dems have decided to have a robust conversation. Is the responsibility of town hall meetings to construct the terms of health care reform?

d1carter on August 16, 2009 at 12:33 PM

In the coming weeks, the cynics and the naysayers will continue to exploit fear and concerns for political gain. But for all the scare tactics out there, what’s truly scary — truly risky — is the prospect of doing nothing. If we maintain the status quo, we will continue to see 14,000 Americans lose their health insurance every day. Premiums will continue to skyrocket. Our deficit will continue to grow. And insurance companies will continue to profit by discriminating against sick people.
That is not a future I want for my children, or for yours. And that is not a future I want for the United States of America.
In the end, this isn’t about politics.

First paragraph: Obama is the little boy who cried wolf; I’m tired of the whining; and I wish he’d stop this because we’ll never be able to believe him when something really important comes along.

Second paragraph: his children will never have to worry about these matters, so the remark is disingenuous. He has no personal skin in this game.

Third paragraph: He’s right: this isn’t about politics. It’s all about him.

BuckeyeSam on August 16, 2009 at 12:34 PM

SKYFOX on August 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Stop teasing me. /s

HoustonRight on August 16, 2009 at 12:34 PM

You’re missing the real point. Of course we’ll all have higher taxes. But we’ll all also have to pay 100% of our health insurance premiums out of our own pockets, too.

I pay a portion of my premiums now and it averages out to about $400 a year. My employer pays the bulk of it.
Jaynie59 on August 16, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Have to disagree with you there Jaynie59. In terms of the actual writing of the check, you’re correct; but in economic terms you’re paying for all of your health care. In general, the amount the company spends on benefits is what they would have paid in salaries otherwise.

One of the reasons we have an employee-based health care system dates back to WWII. The government had set wage and price controls but there was also a labor shortage, so labor was valuable but companies couldn’t pay more to attract and retain their best employees. A way around the wage control was to supplement the wages with benefits such as health care which which not subject to the wage controls.

PackerBronco on August 16, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Don’t people need to actually do some work before they’re entitled to a vacation?

misslizzi on August 16, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I would actually prefer it if our elected officials would just not do anything anymore. Please just sit in your office and not do a thing and I’ll be fine. They have seriously created more messes and more damage to more people because they think they have to “do something” about everything. They forget who they are, who hired them, and who gave them the role they have (as well as their job description) centuries ago.

So, please. Stop doing things.

Mommypundit on August 16, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Does this idiot even understand the concept of insurance anything?

DirkaDirka on August 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM

FIFY

And the answer is no. The only concept he understands is Marxism…

jana on August 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM

If Obama’s “typical white” grandmother was willing to die for it, then we must support his Health Care Bill!

It’s only logical, you racists!

Meanwhile, employment for Americans means nothing to Barry the Childish.

He’s got a job.

profitsbeard on August 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM

If we maintain the status quo, we will continue to see 14,000 Americans lose their health insurance every day.

Anyone heard of COBRA?

BuckeyeSam on August 16, 2009 at 12:36 PM

It isn’t reform until crooks are jailed for fraud and lawyers are muzzled and regulated on frivolous lawsuits. Without criminal charges for fraud and tort reform – there IS NO REFORM. The rest is nothing more than the statist agenda…. I think people are starting to get it.

HomeoftheBrave on August 16, 2009 at 12:37 PM

If we maintain the status quo, we will continue to see 14,000 Americans lose their health insurance every day. Premiums will continue to skyrocket.

As others above have pointed out, the 14,000 figure could very likely be tied to the loss of jobs. But I’d love to see every number that idiot throws out in his otherwise bereft-of-facts townhall kabukis get dissected by our slavering pack of hounds like a cow’s carcass being thrown into a river of piranhas..

..other than that, I promise to swear off martinis on a too-gala Saturday night and atrocious mixed metaphors on a hungover Sunday morning.

VoyskaPVO on August 16, 2009 at 12:38 PM

The amazing thing is that The Smartest Man Who Ever Lived™ apparently still thinks that skeptics are going to believe this kind of horsecr*p. The only people who are signing up for his BS are the acolytes of the Cult of Obama™ — and it looks like even some of them are wavering in their obedience to His Majesty.

johnsteele on August 16, 2009 at 12:38 PM

The GOP is lying too.

CrankyIndependent on August 16, 2009 at 12:24 PM

You sound like one of my kids.

TXMomof3 on August 16, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Sorry but a few angry white mobs in a country of 300 million does not speak for us all. They are just the few the news likes to show because it helps ratings. These people are just people desperate to be on camera to show their displeasure of losing to a black man. They need to come to terms with being in the minority and being impotent. I pity these angry white hate mobs.

dcwvu on August 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

But, but, but; their presence, in large numbers, at rallies and town halls is forcing the conversation to take place.
Without their presence, a very destructive bill would already have been passed.

If you were honest, you would have written:

I fear the voice of the conservative movement.

massrighty on August 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM

330,000,000 population

48,000,000 uninsured (est)
______________

290,000,000 left

/

14,000 dropped policies a day (claim)
_______________

20,714 days (tic-toc)

cool we have 56 years left before we all are pulling our own teeth.

Limerick on August 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Socialists claims of 47 Million uninsured

47,000,000
-10,000,000 Illegals
_____________________
37,000,000
- 10,000,000 People who can buy insurance – and don’t
______________________
27,000,000
- 10,000,000 People who are eligible for MediCare, MediCade, S-chip, etc
and who don’t sign up
_______________________
17,000,000 – People who don’t have “Health Insurance” -

But it’s a FEDERAL law that if ANYONE shows up in an ER they must be treated.

We have lived for thousands of years without “Health Insurance”…..

ObamaCare is about giving unions 1/6 of the economy – and growing the power of SOCIALISM from the inside out.

That is what Cap & Trade is about.
That is what Card Check is about.

Turn it around – KILL THE BILL –
2010 – vote all Democratic Socialists out and replace with conservatives.

izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Izonguy, great link. Must read!!!

Here’s a snippet…

Au contraire, mon frère (as George Carlin would say). We are facing the most ruthless and power-hungry government in American history. They have the most effective and dedicated propaganda arm the world has ever known, i.e. the misnomered “mainstream” media. They are changing the face of America surreptitiously through an unelected and completely uncontrolled group of leftist radicals (including an avowed Communist) known as “Czars”. Congress has been relegated to the status of “useful idiots”. The government commands the powerful thuggish shadow armies of ACORN and SEIU, with the intent of forcibly drafting millions of our kids, brainwashing them, and inducting them into a third shadow army, AmeriCorps.

Do you really believe that the next elections in 2010 and particularly 2012 will be the solution to the current socialist infestation? Do you think that people who are as addicted to power as Obama, Emmanuel, and Axelrod will passively accept their ouster in a fair general election? After fighting the good fight, will they gracefully withdraw from power?

This administration currently controls the census, which can initiate creation of additional congressional districts in liberal areas of the country based on their populations as counted by leftist community organizers. The left dominates election committees and polling volunteers. If they decide to sabotage voting machines or vote tabulation software or servers, who will provide the oversight to prevent them from doing so? They run the largest organized voter fraud organization in the world (except for perhaps Iran) a.k.a. ACORN. Who knows what “October surprises” they have planned? Will we see the New Black Panther Party more actively menacing voters at the polls, since the Obama administration refuses to prosecute this voter intimidation?

Leftists do not see election fraud or other dirty tactics as illegal, immoral, or unethical.

katy on August 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Saw some Dem flack on MSNBC this morning. According to him, the HC bill is specifically designed not to go into effect until 2013 because the Dems want Obama to be re-elected in 2012 and in order for that to happen they need him to have a “clean” record on health care. In other words, they know a government-run HC system will be wildly unpopular with the majority of Americans once they see how it actually works, so they’ve deliberately planned to delay the implementation of the system until after Obama is safely re-elected to a second term.

But it’s not about politics.

AZCoyote on August 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Anyone heard of COBRA?

BuckeyeSam on August 16, 2009 at 12:36 PM

You’re making too much sense. Please stop, you’re making my head hurt/

Knucklehead on August 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM

It is about Government seeking control of our lives from Cradle to Grave

Well, if you’re lucky enough to make it to the cradle, who knows where the libs will take us in 20, 30, 40 years.

“Sorry ma’am it appears our genetic testing has determined that your child will be very susceptible to allergies.”

“Oh my, doctor, that won’t do. None of the neighbor children have allergies, I would be so embarrassed, and I have to smuggle allergy medicine in from Asia. Kill it, please, and do hurry doctor, I have a “Save the Atlantic flounder” meeting. Please hurry doctor, I’ll toss in an extra 3 carbon credits”

reaganaut on August 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Sorry but a few angry white mobs in a country of 300 million does not speak for us all. They are just the few the news likes to show because it helps ratings. These people are just people desperate to be on camera to show their displeasure of losing to a black man. They need to come to terms with being in the minority and being impotent. I pity these angry white hate mobs.

dcwvu on August 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Wrong dcwvu breath:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKKjKFVT0Ok

izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 12:41 PM

d1carter on August 16, 2009 at 12:33 PM

There is no debate.

They are ramming this through under a new name.

Co-op was floated out there long ago and I stopped hearing about it and was surprised, actually, that they were so stridently for a public option and stuck with that. Now I see that was probably a ploy to get the ORIGINAL bill through…co ops. It’s not that hard to imagine that they were planning on scaling it back just to get it through. Anyway, they called it Health care reform until they found a villain in insurance companies. Now it’s all about reforming insurance. Uh huh. Now this is just repackaged as the same thing, different name. A Compromise. But, wasn’t that EXACTLY what they were arguing for ALL FREAKING ALONG?

Mommypundit on August 16, 2009 at 12:41 PM

I pity these angry white hate mobs.

dcwvu on August 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

It appears you like to spend time with them here at Hot Air.

heshtesh on August 16, 2009 at 12:41 PM

I will immediately report the disinformation in this editorial to flag@whitehouse.gov.

I was amazed at the pres spouting off about the gov’t not wanting to “meddle” in my health care descisions… Wouldn’t it be meddling to: have access to my bank account, have access to my medical records, have a board of gov’t workers deciding what med treatment is best, having a health clinic at my child’s school to treat my child (in some school districts without my knowledge or consent), to have the IRS checking up on whether or not I have health insurance, to have gov’t health workers coming to my home to help with parenting and so on and so on. It this isn’t “meddling” what pray tell is?

kringeesmom on August 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM

“Up to 10% of medical costs in the US relate to lawsuits.”

Can someone tell me where to look for (hopefully reliable) sources on this figure?

I bumped into a naysayer elsewhere, but didn’t have a solid number or a citation to proffer. I’m sure there are a lot of politically convenient ways to make the calculation, so a source that also debunks the stats used to minimize such costs would be especially useful.

There’s more to the story than just the financial burden of insurance premiums, court costs and award. Potential liabilities affect the practice of medicine itself in the kind of attention we receive, the cost of defensive testing and as a disincentive to high risk specialties.

JM Hanes on August 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Saw some Dem flack on MSNBC this morning. According to him, the HC bill is specifically designed not to go into effect until 2013 because the Dems want Obama to be re-elected in 2012 and in order for that to happen they need him to have a “clean” record on health care. In other words, they know a government-run HC system will be wildly unpopular with the majority of Americans once they see how it actually works, so they’ve deliberately planned to delay the implementation of the system until after Obama is safely re-elected to a second term.

But it’s not about politics.

AZCoyote on August 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM

The words:

- Obama

- safely

- re-elected

should NEVER be put together…..

izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 12:43 PM

izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Thank you!

massrighty on August 16, 2009 at 12:43 PM

It is all about politics and all about socialism.

Tort reform would be something that would get huge popular support AND lower healthcare costs dramatically. Another option that would gain similar support is negotiating with big Pharma to lover the costs of drug provision. Drugs in the US typically cost a huge amount more than they do in other countries (of course there are many reasons for this).

But a wholesale takeover of healthcare by something as inefficient as the Federal Government? No thank you.

Anders on August 16, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Mommypundit on August 16, 2009 at 12:41 PM

+1

HoustonRight on August 16, 2009 at 12:44 PM

dcwvu on August 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

LOL! Mr. Sharpton thou doth protest too much!

daesleeper on August 16, 2009 at 12:45 PM

This has been the biggest snow job ever perpetrated on the nation. Imagine the size of the screwing they had planned against the nation that with a 78 seat supermajority in the House and a 60 seat filibuster proof majority in the Senate they are afraid of passing the so called “public option”.

That is why we must resist any negotiations or compromises with this bunch of socialist thieves. Give them nothing. No cover.

When they passed Medicare, a less onerous and intrusive law in 1965, they had major bipartisan consensus in both chambers of congress, they had the state governments in agreement, and they had broad public support from both parties. They have NONE of this now (and this law is much more disruptive than medicare ever was).

Give them nothing.

elduende on August 16, 2009 at 12:45 PM

It’s bout power and turning the USA into the USSR. My Glock says no.

bill30097 on August 16, 2009 at 12:45 PM

When the President speaks it is always the same talking points. He is being fed by a staff of idiots with limited understanding of the issue (and constitutional responsibility) who believe repetition of lies will convince the majority of its citizens that he speaks the truth. Our President is so lacking in leadership and management skills that he is easily led and controlled by his so-called advisors and policy-makers. If he was a CEO of a corporation he would be dismissed in a second. How very sad for our country.

Bereans on August 16, 2009 at 12:45 PM

“Up to 10% of medical costs in the US relate to lawsuits.”

Can someone tell me where to look for (hopefully reliable) sources on this figure?

I bumped into a naysayer elsewhere, but didn’t have a solid number or a citation to proffer. I’m sure there are a lot of politically convenient ways to make the calculation, so a source that also debunks the stats used to minimize such costs would be especially useful.

There’s more to the story than just the financial burden of insurance premiums, court costs and award. Potential liabilities affect the practice of medicine itself in the kind of attention we receive, the cost of defensive testing and as a disincentive to high risk specialties.

JM Hanes on August 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Cash Bar – How trial lawyers bankroll the Democratic party

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_16_53/ai_76915714/

Edwards’s career tied to jury award debate

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/09/15/edwardss_career_tied_to_jury_award_debate/

Why John Edwards Is Responsible For More Unnecessary Operations Than “Greedy Doctors”

http://www.allamericanblogger.com/8120/why-john-edwards-is-responsible-for-more-unnecessary-operations-than-greedy-doctors/

izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 12:45 PM

dcwvu on August 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

LOL! Mr. Sharpton thou doth protest too much!

daesleeper on August 16, 2009 at 12:45 PM

LOL – I thought he was Jesse Jr.!!!!!

izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 12:46 PM

I pity these angry white hate mobs.

dcwvu on August 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Glad to see you hate the union thugs. I hate the union thugs too. Welcome aboard.

bill30097 on August 16, 2009 at 12:47 PM

izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM

You’re missing something there.

Many of those illegals are actually ON medicaid. I’ve seen it.

Mommypundit on August 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Yet not one sentence in the ObamaCare proposals in Congress deal with tort reform, which would immediately cut costs in the health-care industry. Trial lawyers, not coincidentally, heavily contribute to the Democratic Party currently writing all these bills.

They, too, will be thrown under the bus — when the time comes.

unclesmrgol on August 16, 2009 at 12:50 PM

izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Thanks for the mathematical illustration. I’ve been commenting about that in words and fractions for weeks. Sometimes, some stark figures are just the two-by-four to the head that some people need.

The “47 million uninsured” fallacy is part of the larger problem in this debate. And that larger problem is that we have to begin by identifying and agreeing upon the top, say, 10 problems that need to be fixed. Once those problems are agreed upon, proposals for fixing them need to be presented and shown to fix those problems. I don’t see how anything Obama is proposes fixes anything. Assuming something to be true doesn’t make it so.

Face it. This guy’s never fixed a problem in his life. Most of his worklife has been about nothing more than whispering into the ears of people to convince them that someone else is the source of their problems. WTF?

BuckeyeSam on August 16, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Incompetent moron. Who writes these things for him, anyway?

n0doz on August 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Bill Ayers?

soundingboard on August 16, 2009 at 12:51 PM

a few angry white mobs in a country of 300 million does not speak for us all.

dcwvu on August 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

You seem to forget that out of those 300 million people, over 100 million of them didn’t vote. For either candidate.

Del Dolemonte on August 16, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Incompetent moron. Who writes these things for him, anyway?

n0doz on August 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM

…the ghost of Saul Alinsky……

Ozprey on August 16, 2009 at 12:52 PM

izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I agree with you. I was just reporting what was said. A lot of people have been wondering why this gov’t HC plan is not set to go into effect until 2013. If our current system is such a costly disaster and this reform is so urgently needed, then why the 3-year delay to getting it started?

AZCoyote on August 16, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Bill Ayers?

soundingboard on August 16, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Nah… Billy just wrote his flowery book… “Dreams of Racism from My Father”

jana on August 16, 2009 at 12:54 PM

They, too, will be thrown under the bus — when the time comes.

unclesmrgol on August 16, 2009 at 12:50 PM

With John Edwards in the news again, I think conservatives need to make him the poster boy for tort reform. I don’t care how nasty it gets. Jackpot justice increases malpractice insurance premiums, creates the need for defensive medicine, and decreases the competitiveness of American businesses. Why do we allow ourselves to be shot in the foot by this class of slimeballs?

BuckeyeSam on August 16, 2009 at 12:54 PM

elduende on August 16, 2009

Has there ever been a federal program that did not take freedom away from some group of people in order to give some supposed benefit to another group of people? Federal programs are NEVER conservative! Eliminating federal programs and getting the hell out of the people’s way is conservative.
Let’s try that for a bit and see what happens.

SKYFOX on August 16, 2009 at 12:56 PM

“CrankIndependent” should be renamed “PaidDemocratHackWho Doesn’tLieVeryWell”

darwin on August 16, 2009 at 12:56 PM

He even repeated the canard about colonoscopies and prostate cancer. Uhh…dude?

bcm4134 on August 16, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Mommypundit, that’s not even the worst.

The worst is the people on welfare with Medicaid walking into our clinic with designer clothes, dripping jewelry, designer shoes and pocketbooks, etc.

Sure! Their rent is paid, they have food stamps and they also have medical coverage. All that welfare can go into the bling lifestyle while us poor schmucks struggle to pay our bills week to week.

Mommynator on August 16, 2009 at 12:58 PM

That video is excellent! Sending it to all my pol junkie buds.

petefrt on August 16, 2009 at 1:02 PM

a few angry white mobs in a country of 300 million does not speak for us all.

dcwvu on August 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I agree. We should not let the union thugs drown out real constituent like happened in GA yesterday:

http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2600775%3ABlogPost%3A1541308&page=1#comment-2600775_Comment_1541419

bill30097 on August 16, 2009 at 1:02 PM

In the coming weeks, the cynics and the naysayers will continue to exploit fear and concerns for political gain.

Projection

Vashta.Nerada on August 16, 2009 at 1:02 PM

dcwvu:I pity your employer–if you have a job.

DDT on August 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM

The opposition, at least in the form of townhall protestors, have done nothing to indicate they think healthcare reform is an important issue. Which is why the corporate sponsorship of the protests actually matters.

I have yet to see any proof that protesters are on the payroll of some corporate entity. That’s just another mindless smear. However, it’s pretty clear that the “reformers” ARE being bankrolled by corporate interests.

I know there are better ideas about healthcare reform out there from the right and the left (mostly from the left, but whatever). These ideas are not being talked about in the MSM or in the angry town hall/tea parties. At best they’ll get aired occasionally in a Hotair post or on some other blog. The Prez is right when he says there is a huge effort to have no reform at all, and that should piss off anyone.

CrankyIndependent on August 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM

“There are those who say we should do nothing at all.” Obama-type strawman. People on the “right” have been talking about reforms for years. It’s just that they’re not the sort of reforms that statists dig.

ddrintn on August 16, 2009 at 1:05 PM

The opposition, at least in the form of townhall protestors, have done nothing to indicate they think healthcare reform is an important issue.

Were they there for their health ?

Which is why the corporate sponsorship of the protests actually matters.

You are joking, unless you are talking about the union thugs, of course.

I know there are better ideas about healthcare reform out there from the right and the left (mostly from the left, but whatever).

I really don’t think there was a single good idea that came from the left, since probably the founding of this country, but whatever.

These ideas are not being talked about in the MSM or in the angry town hall/tea parties. At best they’ll get aired occasionally in a Hotair post or on some other blog. The Prez is right when he says there is a huge effort to have no reform at all, and that should piss off anyone.
CrankyIndependent on August 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM

There may be good ideas out there, but obama’s gang of tax cheats, crooks and cronies will not be trusted by anyone with the adoption and implementation of such.

runner on August 16, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Note to the Dem leadership…

Lexington, Massachusetts…circa 1775…

Commander of the King’s Forces at Boston, entering the quiet hamlet of Lexington, “Disperse you rebels, Damn you, Throw down your Arms and disperse!!”

And that turned out so well for the King’s Army in North America.

We are all in Lexington now, awaiting our town hall meetings…and Pelosi, et al., are riding up on their Palamino’s, demanding that we disperse.

If it is war you want…let it begin here.

coldwarrior on August 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM

+1

bill30097 on August 16, 2009 at 1:06 PM

That is not a future I want for my children, or for yours. And that is not a future I want for the United States of America.

Sir, if you had your way, there would be no USA in anyone’s future.

In the end, this isn’t about politics.

Burnin’ britches!!!

tkinTX on August 16, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Most of the claims he makes, like “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan,” have been thoroughly rebutted, since his overhaul will provide financial incentives for businesses to dump employee coverage in favor of the government-run public option, as the fines for dropping coverage will be far smaller than the costs of providing health insurance.

Obamacare will make
Criminals of anyone
Who runs a business

When they drop their plan,
They will be breaking the law,
And then pay the “fine”

It’s a “fine”, not “fee”.
It may just be semantics…
But the law’s the law.

The law abiding
Will be run out of business
By the fine payer.

Haiku Guy on August 16, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Lying liars lie. If BO says it, it is not so and never will be so. BO makes Bill Clinton seem like George Washington around the time of the cherry tree incident. I hate what the Democrats are attempting to do. I hate just as much the fact that the guys I have voted for, the supposed conservatives, have enabled the Dem weasels by not standing up. I pray for true conservatives who care about this nation first and themselves at least second or third to come forward.

bayouboy on August 16, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I’d like to see the “magically delicious 14,000 losing health insurance every day” raw data.

I would also wager a twenty that 10,000 people get health care insurance every day so the net is far below the SCARE number.

jukin on August 16, 2009 at 1:09 PM

BO makes Bill Clinton seem like George Washington around the time of the cherry tree incident.

bayouboy on August 16, 2009 at 1:09 PM

The Precedent makes Benedict Arnold seem like a Patriot.

progressoverpeace on August 16, 2009 at 1:10 PM

To Obama and the lefties, it isn’t totally about politics. They feel they have the moral high ground and the rest of us haven’t seen the light yet. Statism is just as much of a religion to these people as Christianity is to Christians.

thinkingmom on August 16, 2009 at 1:10 PM

You seem to forget that out of those 300 million people, over 100 million of them didn’t vote. For either candidate.

Del Dolemonte on August 16, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Saying that dcwvu forgets anything is implying they ever knew anything to begin with. This person is a partisan idiot doing the Democrats absolutely no good. It doesn’t follow polling data. It doesn’t listen to opposing points of view. Instead, it smugly carries on in its narrow-minded bigotry — yes, BIGOTRY — believing it has a mandate, believing political agit-prop, being an ideologue v. rational being. This is why the Democrats will get spanked in 2010. Overreach. Telling their constituents to shut up. Inability to govern.

Enjoy, dcwvu. Go back to your cesspool in the Capitol. The reasons everyone hates you in WV are not what you think, but rather what you think.

alliebobbitt on August 16, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Almost as satisfying as protecting the liberty of free-born Americans is watching the heads of leftists explode – Modo phones in another attack on Palin today but ends up exhorting POTUS to man up pronto lest their dream go up in smoke. I still worry though that the Vichy Republicans in the Senate will ‘reach across the aisle’ and offer cover for this debacle.

gordon_1948 on August 16, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Let’s try that for a bit and see what happens.

SKYFOX on August 16, 2009 at 12:56 PM

I agree. Everything the government has ever touched has turned to shit. For now we have to fight these reargurad actions to keep these thieves from destroying the nation. Eventually we’ll roll these socialist boondoggles back but for now its time to hold them in place.

elduende on August 16, 2009 at 1:14 PM

I pity these angry white hate mobs.

dcwvu on August 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Hogwash!

If you must pity someone then pity Obama’s parasitic constituents that are constantly scrounging for more “free stuff” at the expense of the responsible majority.

rplat on August 16, 2009 at 1:15 PM

A different view. How many of you remember the U Tube video where he mentions maybe 10,15,20 years out we can get our single payer system at a SEIU conference I think?

In any case if he gets any kind of a plan in which the gov. dictates the details he will have won. While he would like to have the whole thing enacted he will take a little at a time.

Once he gets a base program he can start planning on how to modify it little by little to be what his end game is all about, more control over us. If you don’t think so just look at the History of Medicare. Look at the dependence of our seniors on that program. I also believe I read that when it started in 1965 they projected it would cost something like 9 Million by the 90′s. Actual cost by that time was 66 million, another reason for concern.

There are a lot of people saying he’s a moron and making similar comments but I say don’t be fooled. I believe there is a method to his madness, and it is madness. I think he, or I should say they, have a multi threaded approach based on the outcome of each step along the way. I also believe that they never expected the amount of opposition they got from us but I am still concerned that all it has done is caused them to rethink their strategy. I hope that it dies a quick death and doesn’t end up as a cobbled together compromise.

Stepping off Soap Box, thanks for listening!

New Patriot on August 16, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Rahm must be one unhappy little ballerina right about now. :o)

David2.0 on August 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Beware the Counterrevolution
izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM

You are so correct izoneguy…..the conservatives need to continue the pressure and get rid of this bill. The Libs are still going to ram the Health Plan through one way or another.

yoda on August 16, 2009 at 1:31 PM

do i have to catch you out
to know what’s on your mind
well, cleopatra died for egypt,
what a waste of time
white ones and red ones
and some you can’t disguise
twisted truth and half the news
can’t hide it in your eyes
(chorus)
lies lies lies yeah (they’re gonna get you)
lies lies lies yeah (they won’t forget you)
lies lies lies yeah (they’re gonna get you)
lies lies lies yeah
oh you know i know
(REPEAT CHORUS)
oh you know i know
(REPEAT CHORUS)

mrt721 on August 16, 2009 at 1:35 PM

These people are just people desperate to be on camera to show their displeasure of losing to a black man. They need to come to terms with being in the minority and being impotent. I pity these angry white hate mobs.

dcwvu on August 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

If they’re a minority and impotent, why is Obama having such problems with getting his agenda through? All of this should’ve been done by early March in your fantasy world.

ddrintn on August 16, 2009 at 1:37 PM

You all need to lighten up on DCWVU. He is apparently quite insperational around here. :-)

New Patriot on August 16, 2009 at 1:38 PM

How do you know when Barak Obama is telling a lie?

He opens his mouth

JLM-Hokie on August 16, 2009 at 1:40 PM

These people are just people desperate to be on camera to show their displeasure of losing to a black man. They need to come to terms with being in the minority and being impotent. I pity these angry white hate mobs.

dcwvu on August 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

He has quite the obsession with uninflatable ding-a-lings, doesn’t he? Almost every single post he’s written has contained the word impotent.

NathanG on August 16, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Obama has never stopped campaigning…and won’t.

Empty words from an empty suit to an empty-headed crowd…again and again and again…

1253 days to go until the next president Sarah Palin is sworn in.

coldwarrior on August 16, 2009 at 11:51 AM

1921 C DRUM on August 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Big Picture….
Obama’s marxist scheme to bring America to its collective knees is running into something that was not in his twisted plot.

He never figured the history of liberty, freedom, and independence of the American people’s spirit into his plot.

Game OVER you taitorous bastard!

This day WE FIGHT!!!!

katy on August 16, 2009 at 12:10 PM

WOLVERINES!!!!!!

1921 C DRUM on August 16, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Obama has never stopped campaigning…and won’t.

Empty words from an empty suit to an empty-headed crowd…again and again and again…

1253 days to go until the next president is sworn in.

coldwarrior on August 16, 2009 at 11:51 AM

What do you expect from a guy who likes the idea of playing President? In between his smokes and dates with his wife (where is she btw?), running this country is probably more work than he bargained for. So he thinks he can charm everyone by yakking away over and over again like during the campaign. But the only problem is that there’s beginning to be major buyers remorse from every sector.

We just elected a guy who 5 years ago was a state senator as President..ohhh no…

StevefromMKE on August 16, 2009 at 2:16 PM

20,714 days (tic-toc)

cool we have 56 years left before we all are pulling our own teeth.

Limerick on August 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM

14,000 x 365 = 5,110,000 people losing their insurance every year? Uh…haven’t they been using the same made-up number of “47 million without health insurance” for at least eight years, now? Wouldn’t that number have doubled by now?

Who called O’Bozo our Demagogue in Chief, Allah? It’s spot-on. We have a Clown President.

Jaibones on August 16, 2009 at 2:18 PM

WOLVERINES!!!!!!

1921 C DRUM on August 16, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Wolverines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bill30097 on August 16, 2009 at 2:18 PM

I don’t think Bambi is capable of telling the truth, he makes Bill Clinton look honest. He is a disgrace as our President.

la.rt.wngr on August 16, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Obama wants us to buy his plan on blind faith. Sorry, I’m not stupid.

HR3200, Section 122 Essential Benefits, page 29, lines 9-16. Yearly cost – $5,000 per individual or $10,000 per family. (This payment will be adjusted yearly according to the CPI) Page 29, line 23 thru line 5, page 30 – about cost sharing, to pay out benefits of “approximately” 70%. (this would leave us paying “approximately” 30% of our health care expenses) Section 59B, page 167 – establishes a 2.5% tax on adjusted modifed gross income on individuals without acceptable health care coverage. There is a provision in the bill prohibiting you from buying private insurance if you lose your insurace after the bill becomes law. You would be forced into the public option.

If our employer discontines our health insurance because of the public option, my family would pay an additional $600 per month above our current premium and coverage/ benefit payments would be reduced.

GrannySunni on August 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Patrick S on August 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM

+1000

1921 C DRUM on August 16, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Kind of reminds me of Tammy Bruce’s comparison of the Big O as Charlie Brown’s teacher. Can be applied to pretty much every speech this guy has given…

miConsevative on August 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Sorry but a few angry white mobs in a country of 300 million does not speak for us all. They are just the few the news likes to show because it helps ratings. These people are just people desperate to be on camera to show their displeasure of losing to a black man. They need to come to terms with being in the minority and being impotent. I pity these angry white hate mobs.

Yeah that’s gotta be it. It can’t be all that hoohah about being allowed to take care of your own family with your own money without government permission. Obama is black, therefore Obama is a victim. If the Democrats had a married white couple from Arkansas as the spokesman, this would have passed 20 years ago.
Not.

Takin’ it to the street IS coming to terms with being locked outside.

Defeating healthcare reform is *also* about politics. Why pretend its a one way street?

The Leader says it is not. Do you agree he’s wrong?

The opposition, at least in the form of townhall protestors, have done nothing to indicate they think healthcare reform is an important issue. Which is why the corporate sponsorship of the protests actually matters. I know there are better ideas about healthcare reform out there from the right and the left (mostly from the left, but whatever). These ideas are not being talked about in the MSM or in the angry town hall/tea parties. At best they’ll get aired occasionally in a Hotair post or on some other blog. The Prez is right when he says there is a huge effort to have no reform at all, and that should piss off anyone.

Who decrees we have to carry your water for you? The very idea that healthcare reform is needed is something to be sold to the public, not a declared duty we have to measure up to if we want a voice. This is not first-grade, and you are not setting our schedule for the term.

Here’s the truth: If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan — provided your employer doesn’t decide to drop your coverage in favor of the cheaper public option (or co-op or whatever they end up passing); or, if you pay for your insurance yourself, provided that you can afford to pay the dramatically increased premiums that you’ll now be charged due to the government’s mandating that your insurance plan cover a bunch of crap that you neither want nor need.

Actually, if the Commission will determine the minimum coverage, and Congress mandates parity for mental health benefits, then most plans in the US will not meet the minimum coverage requirements.

Chris_Balsz on August 16, 2009 at 3:20 PM

“This isn’t about Politics”

No, most of us know it is about taking control of the United States of America and turning it into a Socialist/Marxist cesspool just like the other failed states in this world.

Well there are millions of us that say that is never going to happen.

We conservatives haven’t liked the choices our government has been making for about the last fifty years. But being the silent ones we just kept working and hoping that our government would somehow see the light and the errors in their ways. And being gullible we kept voting for those that lied and said they were for conservative ways and measures and a smaller government.

Our big, big mistake.

The democrats have been planning this takeover and expansion of our Republic for ages and each time they get in power, they along with republicans in name only do more and more damage to our Republic.
Power indeed does corrupt, but it takes a certain kind of people that want to change America into something that our Founders never wanted and warned us about.

Now, because of several new reasons, the American people, or at least over half of them have been shocked out of their inattention and stupidity of inaction.

But being conservatives, do we have the guts and the stamina to push back hard enough, long enough to rid ourselves of these progressive neo-commie socialists and their backers (wherever and whomever they are)?

If our votes can’t do it, the only alternative is so terrible, as not to be spoken of until it will be almost too late.

A quote if I may:

The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
2009 Judge Alex Kozinski

Papa Ray on August 16, 2009 at 3:40 PM

The guy who did the video (didn’t watch it first time around) is also a late evening Talk Host at the KOA blowtorch in Denver by the name of Jon Caldare. Free streaming, 850koa.com, listen in, he’s a good one.

bikermailman on August 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Papa Ray on August 16, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Well said, sir.

turfmann on August 16, 2009 at 3:54 PM

For Team Obama,of course its not about politics,
but,he made sure he used his grandmother as a
prop,and in the the same breathe demonizing the
right for criticizing him for it!!

canopfor on August 16, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Defeating healthcare reform is *also* about politics. Why pretend its a one way street?

CrankyIndependent on August 16, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Defeating healthcare reform is *in fact* about:
1. Recognizing that the currently offered congressional plans do not reform the correct things.
2. Wanting to keep my current insurance intact
3. Wanting sensible market-place reforms that improve what we have.
4. Not wanting a public option that is, proveably, a trojan horse for single payer.

Wanna try again. Use facts, to support your statements.

massrighty on August 16, 2009 at 4:14 PM

I am getting sick of the “14,000 poeple losing their helath insurance every day” claim. Most of that is because this clown and the idiots who advise him have done nothing to encourage job growth. If you lose your job and can’t aford COBRA you lose your inurance.

I also fail to see the fairness of screwing over 98.4% of the population to take care of the 1.6% that aren’t illegals, can afford coverage but still deny it and don’t enroll in programs now they are eligable for. We want to blow up the system for 5 million people? Vote to axpand Medicare and SCHIP and see how that goes, that would pass with little fanfare.

cadams on August 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM

I know it’s the New York Times and all, but I’m slightly amazed than any reputable newspaper would publish such drivel with the President of the United States’ name on it. They must agree with him that we are all morons who will fall for dumb cliches, strawmen, and arguments unsupported by facts.

I am SO sick of this mediocre, unaccomplished man claiming he has the answers to save us all.

rockmom on August 16, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Is it true, as I read somewhere, that under the house bill, medicare recipients would no longer be allowed to buy medigap insurance?

Dhuka on August 16, 2009 at 4:55 PM

The left dominates election committees and polling volunteers. If they decide to sabotage voting machines or vote tabulation software or servers, who will provide the oversight to prevent them from doing so? They run the largest organized voter fraud organization in the world (except for perhaps Iran) a.k.a. ACORN

You are absolutely correct, Katy. These are the things we need to be paying attention to and signing up for. Qualifications: are you breathing? Put it in motion NOW so we are ready next time. We’ve seen the game tape and we know how they will play. We still surround them! Oh, and make friends with your Sheriff-they have a lot of power in a state.

indypat on August 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM

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