Quotes of the day
posted at 9:30 pm on August 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
“Put a bill out there, make them filibuster it. Make them be what they are — the party of no. Look, we spend — the truth of the matter is, we spend about $8,000 per person in the United States on health care. The second — the country that seconds the second most is Switzerland, they spend $4,000. That means you have got $4,000 per person more that we spend on health care, that is $1.2 trillion, 4,000 times 300 million. And you know what? Run on it. A lot of people — and we’re not producing any kind of results that double that money provides. Let them kill it. Let them kill it with the interest group money, then run against them. That’s what we ought to do.”
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“Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), who led the crafting of the bill the House GOP put forth as a rival to the president’s health care proposal, told POLITICO that ‘the momentum is just now becoming visible.’…
‘A win for us is anything that improves the current situation without damaging the good things about our system,’ said Price, adding that any bill that does not include a public option, employer mandates and the rationing of care could be looked at as something of a success for his party.”
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“I will never vote for a bill to kill old people, period.”
Blowback
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MEDICAL MALPRACTICE CAPS WORK
http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/05/medical-malpractice-caps-work/
The New York Times reluctantly reports that tort reform in Texas has produced precisely the results its advocates predicted:
Four years after Texas voters approved a constitutional amendment limiting awards in medical malpractice lawsuits, doctors are responding as supporters predicted, arriving from all parts of the country to swell the ranks of specialists at Texas hospitals …
This does not mean, as many opponents of tort reform claim, that patients have no recourse in legitimate malpractice cases. Plaintiffs can recover economic losses of up to $1.6 million and non-economic losses of $250,000 from as many as three separate providers.
If our masters in Washington would take a few minutes off from demagoguing SCHIP and pass serious malpractice reform on a national level, the distribution of medical providers would track patient demand rather than local legal climate, and the inflationary effects of defensive medicine would be significantly reduced.
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More Doctors in Texas After Malpractice Caps
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/us/05doctors.html?ex=1349323200&en=fa11e751e6cc98af&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
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After Texas Caps Malpractice, Docs Move In
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2007/10/05/after-texas-caps-malpractice-docs-move-in/
izoneguy on August 17, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Under an unfettered Barackito Obamalini, Uncle Sam, already having gone to Uncle Sugar, will go to Herr Uncle Strangulation.
MB4 on August 17, 2009 at 12:40 AM
So Mike Ross won’t vote for a bill to kill old people.
PUSSY!
notropis on August 17, 2009 at 12:41 AM
This is where you and I differ. I belive the Enron debacle(sorry to go so far afield) is just a lesson learned. The people who got hurt got hurt because they didn’t do their homework. Oh, and yes, I’m a Big Bang Christian (whatever the hell that is).
Limerick on August 17, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Yes that’s true but why do you think you’re the only one to understand the total cost of bringing a medical product to market? Let me restate- I don’t know anyone in the venture capital industry who’s raising a red flag about a health care overhaul that leads to health care coverage for all Americans jeopardizing their investments in biotech.
You can try and rationalize this country spending 16% of GDP on healtcare but it’s not sustainable, not as baby boomers start to place more and more demands on the system.
bayam on August 17, 2009 at 12:42 AM
Another hack is hacked….
izoneguy on August 17, 2009 at 12:42 AM
The only way we are going to drive the left out of power is if we start making coalitions. ;)
I dream for the day that we can all argue heatedly over how much Uncle Sugar’s nose can tickle us, but for now we need to get him out of our pants.
Upstater85 on August 17, 2009 at 12:42 AM
have a nice night erryone
blatantblue on August 17, 2009 at 12:42 AM
‘night
Upstater85 on August 17, 2009 at 12:43 AM
Just saw the AARP sponsored commercial against those who are against the political take over of the health care system…….
………… vomit!
Up next,………..
………….. “It’s all our fault” and those rain storms in the Atlantic will be news of biblical proportion.
Seven Percent Solution on August 17, 2009 at 12:43 AM
The administrative overhead of what? US companies?
What are you trying to say? I can’t make heads or tails of this. Are you talking about the fact that there is international competition in the American market? What are you saying?
Government perversion of the market does a great deal of damage (just as government idiocy with tuition loans has driven college prices to insane levels), but I fail to see where your claim that the administrative costs of the comapnies servicing the health care market (the “costs”) hurts their own competitiveness. I am baffled by your words.
But, there is a serious administrative cost that is pressed on them through inane government regulations. Is that what you meant?
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Completely false…in both cases, the hand of Government created systems of failure…in the first case catastrophic…in the second case. merely inefficient.
The Government mandates of Democrat Congresses, Carter and Clinton…that banks must allow people to get loans for housing that they cant afford…in the name of social justice…created the last bubble that burst.
Medicare and Government involvement has created most of the inefficiencies in our current health-care debacle.
So, it’s not free markets and lack of regulation (per-se) that created this mess…it’s Government mandates and interference in the markets.
AUINSC on August 17, 2009 at 12:44 AM
This is what I love about HA….there are a whole bunch of us who don’t see eye to eye. BB, MB4, progress, dorian, Terrye, DocZero, upinak, me, to name but a minor few. There is one thing we all agree with and that is that Uncle Sugar’s nose is tickling places it shouldn’t tickle. That is where we start. Now we just have to figure out the priorities. Barry has given us a golden opportunity with National Health sCare to swing the hammer together. Let us find more reasons to keep swinging. (Que sappy music, sunsets, sunrises, and puppies running through a field of flowers)
Limerick on August 17, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Limerick: About the Uncle Sugar nose is tickling places it
shouldn`t!
Its not America`s fault it won the great Wars,they
are the spoils,and don`t forget,they repaired what
they broke!
As I said before,if theres going to be blaming,the
n France,Spain and England should be the first!
They are the countries that were empire building,
long before America was born!!!
But hey,I guess history is only important to about
100 years or so ago,that fits neatly into a Liberal
revisionist political template,I guess!!:)
canopfor on August 17, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Later BB. And no I don’t really mean later…at my age they aren’t family jewels, they are close friends. ;)
Limerick on August 17, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Remember what Blatantblue is here for
Why he must be dressed to kill
If he has to look like Cleopatra
Then he will!
If you’re out to make a splash, Blatantblue cheri,
Do know your haberdashery!
Buttons, buckles, ruffles and lace
Represent the human race!
La, but someone has to strike a pose
And bear the weight of well-tailored clothes
Each species needs a member of it’s sex that’s fated
To be highly decorated
That is why the Lord created Blatantblue
Yes, that is why the Lord created Blatantblue
PercyB on August 17, 2009 at 12:46 AM
………… vomit!
Seven Percent Solution on August 17, 2009 at 12:43 AM
Seven Percent Solution: I get this vision,of the great
‘SPIT’!!!
canopfor on August 17, 2009 at 12:47 AM
Well I`m off as well,good night everyone:)
canopfor on August 17, 2009 at 12:49 AM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw
pearson on August 17, 2009 at 12:49 AM
bayam on August 17, 2009 at 12:35 AM
OK, first off, drug companies no longer take out spouses or anyone who isn’t in the medical field and they haven’t for several years now.
Second of all, I’ve had plenty of sales reps come by my office and I’ll happily listen to them talk because they will often drop off free medication that I will give to my patients that don’t have insurance.
Thirdly, if you think I’m going to write an inappropriate medication because an attrative woman stopped by to tell me about it then why would you ever go to a doctor if you think we’re that easily swayed?
Forthly, free market won’t solve all the world’s problems, but it can solve them a lot better than communism can and the people that fall through the cracks can be helped, and our focus should be on helping them.
Case in point: almost every major drug company has a program in which a patient can receive their medication free if they qualify. The qualifying criteria are very lax. Wal*Mart sells over 100 prescription medications for $4 a month and I usually can find something in that offer that will work for my patients.
Not bad for a capitalist approach, huh?
There will still be people who will slip through the cracks, and that is where we should focus if we’re looking for true reform, but there is NOTHING in this 1000 page monstrosity that will accomplish that.
DrAllecon on August 17, 2009 at 12:50 AM
Oh, and Mr. Bigglesworth, the key to the bunker is under the third rock to the left of the claymore mine.
G’nite, HotAirHeads. Between the stuffed shirts, the MBAs, the grit eating Texicans, and my horrible swing shift, I need to find some amber bubbly in a bottle.
Limerick on August 17, 2009 at 12:51 AM
That’s why we can’t quit.
yoda on August 17, 2009 at 12:52 AM
First, the total value of subprime mortgages lent in this country because of Clinton or whoever was insignificant and did not cause the global economic meltdown. What failed was a system of risk management and delusional beliefs over the potential of derivative financial products to control risk. You’re dishing out right wing drivel.
More importantly, how did you manage to completely avoid my main point: that the market-based system of sales reps has spuon out of control to the detriment of all? You can say that a few simple principles drive all truths in the world if you’d like, but you should have a better answer to a real world case that presents a challenge to that world view.
bayam on August 17, 2009 at 12:52 AM
So what’s the prostate cancer survival rates for Switzerland?
How many people are we willing to kill to save some cash? Is there a cutoff? How much are we saving per statistical death?
If we can sort this out, we can reason out a proposal. First we figure out how many people we kill, then we figure out how much we save; and we can tell what we think people are worth.
Maybe make a deal where if you pay that extra amount to cover your costs you can still get good health care? I means since its all dollars; if I pay my extra $4000 can I keep the health care that doesn’t let me die of cancer?
Or is that unfair somehow? Of course if we complain about this, then we have to admit that this isn’t about money…
gekkobear on August 17, 2009 at 12:53 AM
I’m not the only one. But, so what? I happen to be correct. Take profit out and advancement slows. It happens in every field, not just medicine. Socialize, and advancement slows, because industrial construction is slower, worse and more brittle – being somewhat contrived as more centralized planning always does. That’s just how things are. It’s no big secret.
So? Did they vote for the idiot messiah?
That’s a medicare problem, not a problem with private health care. That needs to be fixed. Keep your hands off the private sector. It isn’t the government’s and the Constitution forbids the federal government from getting involved in it beyond the limits of regulating commerce between the states (regulating the commerce, not the object of commerce). The rest of the health care machinery is to occur at the state level. That’s just how it is, and anyone who wants to change that is attacking the very structure of our nation.
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 12:55 AM
the dems, socialists, etc. ignore that fact. They emotionalize the topic, or demonize a group to pass their agenda. Path of least resistance, its easy to do. They don’t actually do any work.
andrewtf on August 17, 2009 at 12:55 AM
So Obama and the Dem’s had to abandon the public option due to “Republican pressure”?
That’s how MSM is covering this.
WHAT Republican pressure!?
David2.0 on August 17, 2009 at 12:58 AM
According to the sales numbers monitored by big pharma, yes, hot sales reps do have that effect. Did you think that the practice of hiring attractive women was purely coincdental? The free market has determined a technique to boost sales and has applied it to the point where drug companies spend over $150 per physician on sales reps. Again, even some pharma CEO’s have publicly stated that the system has spun out of control, but can’t change their practices unless their competitors do the same.
I know at least one doc who prefers to learn about new treatments and drugs by reading medical journals and staying abreast of medical news online. Do you really base your prescription decisions on what a blonde sales rep tells you about a new medication within a few minutes? I hope not.
bayam on August 17, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Yes, because if they could help the people that do fall through the cracks, and leave the rest of the world’s best medical care alone, it wouldn’t accomplish what they really want. Which is of course total control incluing access to our medical records, bank accounts, etc. Tell me how having access to my bank account would help one person get better medical care? (ok, i can think of about a dozen joke answers, but really, lol)
DrAllecon on August 17, 2009 at 1:02 AM
Its the sixth inning, the Dems are still up a few trillion, the American citizenry have forced both Reid and Pelosi to foul out, Obama has hit a high pop fly, the Republican outfield is only half awake.
The Pres. is rounding 2nd and after the grassroots have pitched a helluva inning, will the GOP make the catch and stop the hemorrhaging, or lose it in the sun?
No more RINOs. No more fraidy kittens.
Don’t be afraid to get up after it, c’mon now.
Speakup on August 17, 2009 at 1:03 AM
No. That was exactly my point. We don’t. Thank you for proving my point for me.
DrAllecon on August 17, 2009 at 1:03 AM
The old expression “hard cases make bad law” was never more true than it is about health care. Why not just toss the system we have had for over 200 years into the crapper because it doesn’t work very well for a few people? What could go wrong??
rockmom on August 17, 2009 at 1:03 AM
Hot women have that effect in every field, most of all in government. If you’re using the hot woman argument, government is going to come out the worst in any comparison. International orgs being the worst of all – except that many of the really weird perverts go to the international orgs over their own governments.
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 1:04 AM
Those are all very good points. I won’t clame to have the answer. France has compariable survival rates for cancer (not sure about prostate) and spends 30% less than the US as a % of GDP. So the cost of health care in the US appears to be out of alignment.
The bigger problem is that the current cost structure isn’t affordable over the long term.
bayam on August 17, 2009 at 1:06 AM
Thank you Sarah Palin for redefining the debate and bring the horror of this House bill to light.
This is why the liberals keep hammering Palin. She is effective.
Mallard T. Drake on August 17, 2009 at 1:09 AM
Not only that, but the perks are rediculous, too. Drug reps used to go overboard-trips to Hawaii, large cash bonuses, etc. That was wrong and was stopped as it should have been. Now, they can’t even give out cheap pens or stick-em pads because they’re afraid it might be considered undue influence. But do I even need to talk about “fact-finding” trips to exotic locations and all the other abuses government allows for itsef?
Yeah, I’m really going to write for a crappy insulin medication because I got a ball point pen, but Congressman Leghorn certainly won’t vote in favor of an oil company that sent him and his wife to Aruba.
DrAllecon on August 17, 2009 at 1:09 AM
What cancer advancements were done for the French market and then gotten cheaply in the American market versus the other way? Any idea?
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 1:10 AM
Very good, that’s fair!
Well, you may be one of the few docs whose prescription numbers aren’t swayed by those visits. Unfortunately, until more docs have the discipline to follow your exmaple, the armies of sales reps will keep on coming and continue to be a major driver of prescription drug prices.
bayam on August 17, 2009 at 1:11 AM
Especially when it comes to medicine. Who doesn’t feel sympathy for someone who is truely in need of health care? But the answer is to help those people, not destroy everyone else’s.
DrAllecon on August 17, 2009 at 1:12 AM
Michelle just posted that the “public plan is dead” talk by the Dems is just a trial balloon. Now they are stepping back from that statement. The fight is still on.
Christian Conservative on August 17, 2009 at 1:14 AM
Not sure, but you can find numerous studies that examine this question. R&D is done both by private industry and by research universities and both affect overall health care costs differently. You can also find numerous studies that benchmark healthcare administrative costs for every major country in the developed world.
bayam on August 17, 2009 at 1:14 AM
Limerick on August 17, 2009 at 12:07 AM
Both parties know they are out if they vote for this mess. I received an response from Ben Nelson from Nebraska and I plan on attending one of his townhall meetings when he releases his schedule.
yoda on August 17, 2009 at 1:14 AM
Little 7% wants to sleep in Dad’s room (west coast) ……….
………. I will see you all the next time I can.
By the way, you all are Great……!
…… Good Night!
Seven Percent Solution on August 17, 2009 at 1:15 AM
Including both the costly ones and the treasonous ones, like Nancy’s Syrian jaunt.
Heh. If it’s got a really fine line, I could see that …
When no one reads the legislation, anyway, I guess it doesn’t really matter :)
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 1:16 AM
Have a great night folks, I’ve got to get some good sleep to look nice for the Swedish Bikini Tea…er…Phizer, Merck, Astrazeneca sales reps tomorrow.
DrAllecon on August 17, 2009 at 1:17 AM
It’s all control through deception. Why do liars lie? They think they can get away with it easily and get the result they want. The end justify the means.
Liberals are the fat chicks at the bar that offer “fast cheap and easy” but you regret it in the morning.
andrewtf on August 17, 2009 at 1:19 AM
You’re not even close. The government caused the housing boom by dropping interest rates to effectively zero, and then as it saw the market overheating, what did it do?Instead of applying the brakes, it threw down the accelerator with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – courtesy of Barney Frank and Paul Sarbanes who would not let the Administration do anything to curb them. We all know the results of that now.
The Waxman bill will produce the EXACT same result in health care. It will ACCELERATE costs as guaranteed-issue private insurance and unlimited public insurance cause more people to flood into the system and overuse health care while no new doctors or hospitals come on line. This will produce a massive INCREASE in actual costs, while the public program continues to offer subsidized premiums and forces private insurance companies to reduce premiums below actuarially sound levels. Eventually, the private insurers will start losing massive amounts of money and we will be right back where we were in September 2008 with a trillion-dollar bailout of the insurance companies.
Everyone – and I mean EVERYONE – said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could never fail, they would never cost taxpayers a dime. Until they did.
rockmom on August 17, 2009 at 1:21 AM
I keep telling you that research is among the tiniest of costs related to developing, producing, testing, distributing, … The USSR had the best research, but they could never build a complex industrial infrastructure because it was always centralized, and the real world demands dynamism, and many different decisions and risks being made at many different places at the same time … you know, the way evolution works. That is what capitalism provides. Nothing else does, that this world has ever seen.
If you think that universities could ever actually do anything with their research, then you are smoking some funny stuff, because business schools aren’t even able to run businesses that fund themselves – and make them money. I always get a kick out of that.
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 1:22 AM
Well that is going to be tested because before the years out,Obama will have let it be known that we have done all that can be done in Afghanistan and the time is now to go.
(via Ace of Spades)
http://minx.cc/?post=290977
Obama railed about how important it was to win the
“real war” in Afghanistan along with destroying the training camps in Pakistan.The left said they were committed to getting Osama.
Now the true face of liberalism will be shown some more along with the broken promises from Obama,paying for votes with the stimulus,and their attempt of a government take over of health care the way they did the banks and car companies.
To bail on Afghanistan now would be an unbelievable disaster.The people are not protected from the Taliban,their army is not even close to being ready,and though progress has been made in Pakistan,it is far from being shut down as a terrorist training ground.
But the liberals don’t care,global warming and raising taxes seems to be their only concern.
The ground work for “surrendering with style” has been in the works for awhile:
Dems anxious about Af-Pak policy
By: David Rogers
April 23, 2009 01:15 PM EST
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=D3F8018F-18FE-70B2-A873986135671377
Obama Administration Searching for an Exit Strategy in Afghanistan
BY Herschel Smith
5 days, 13 hours ago
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2009/07/15/obama-administration-searching-for-an-exit-strategy-in-afghanistan/
Obama: Victory Not Necessarily the Goal in Afghanistan
(via gatewaypundit)
I know this health care debacle is eating up political capital even though I think a watered down version will be passed,but this is what will sink Obama with the American and many foreign people.
We know that foreign leaders don’t take Obama seriously beyond getting some photo ops with him.He gets pretty much nothing he asks for (more NATO troops,stimulus money,global warming demands to name a few ) but you can bet that “surrendering in style” in Afghanistan will embolden the terrorist,make Bush look like a much stronger leader,and cement his far left ideology foreign policy of appeasement and capitulation.
Looks like the next racist pictures posted around town will be of Obama photo shopped as Neville Chamberlain.
Baxter Greene on August 17, 2009 at 1:26 AM
There has been a walk back on the walk back on the public option. What asses.
msmveritas on August 17, 2009 at 1:46 AM
The nutroots and Obamabots want the public option for one reason – none of them have insurance now because they are healthy and too cheap to buy it. They fear being forced to buy it from one of those eeevil private insurance companies! They want a public option FOR THEMSELVES, so they can feel “purer” about paying for their insurance, not because they give a rat’s ass about the poor or the unemployed.
rockmom on August 17, 2009 at 2:05 AM
is it even possible to exhibit any more managerial incompetence than this administration and Washington junta have? I cannot think of a worse run organization I have ever heard of. This is beyond pathetic.
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 2:13 AM
I know some who take trips, eat dinner out, go to happy hour but still bitch about being deprived of buying health insurance because they can’t afford it. It’s bull and you nailed it, they want it for themselves. If it wouldn’t screw the rest of us so bad I almost wish they’d get it. They deserve it. Still this is one we can not back down on, no matter how much I might enjoy watching them wait in line for care after screaming for it.
msmveritas on August 17, 2009 at 2:13 AM
It’s astounding really how utterly incompetent they are.
msmveritas on August 17, 2009 at 2:14 AM
The dealers are only getting 1 out of 5 claims paid to them because 4 out of 5 claims are rejected for minor oversights.
THIS IS WHY A GOV. RUN HEALTH PLAN WOULD BE A DISASTER.
Too little staff, long waits processing claims, total inefficency.
Disaster is in our future if the government runs health care.
gina4 on August 17, 2009 at 2:20 AM
Well, you know what they say, “If it sounds like Karl Marx, acts like Benito Mussolini and stumbles like Bozo the Clown … … it’s probably Barack Obama!”.
MB4 on August 17, 2009 at 2:26 AM
Sebelius’ comment got something over 16000 comments at HuffPo, and now the administration just says, “Never mind.”
Heh. Crazy.
I think the blue dogs see that they could be left twisting in the wind with no notice, at all (not that anyone with a brain couldn’t see this side of the idiot messiah from way back in the campaign).
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 2:27 AM
ROFLMAO!
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 2:28 AM
I wonder if allah still thinks that the idiot messiah “has brains to spare for the job.”
LOL.
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 2:30 AM
Yes, not to mention they’d have to go back to square one in the House coming up with some new garbage piece of legislation. How can they pass some giant public plan that the President doesn’t think is necessary?
Did Allah really say that?
msmveritas on August 17, 2009 at 2:34 AM
The Nikkei’s down over 3%. Just sayin’ …
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 2:34 AM
But its truthful drivel, not the falsehoods you are peddling. The risk you talk about was guaranteed by whom? When the risk became too great, who defaulted?
Why did all those banks go under? Who forced them to take loans which were risky? What laws initiated that force?
Obama Franks Waters LLC — destroyers of the nation’s economy.
unclesmrgol on August 17, 2009 at 2:38 AM
Yeah, while he was explaining how scary it would be to have Palin near the levers of power.
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 2:38 AM
Asia totally red
MB4 on August 17, 2009 at 2:39 AM
Let it go to a vote. Make the Democrats be what they are – the party of taxing and spending, the party of the Bureaucracy of Life and Death. Make each Democrat go on record for or against the Tax, Spend, and Kill Act. Then run against them. Maybe that’s what’s best for the Republicans to do.
Kralizec on August 17, 2009 at 2:43 AM
And all of their numbers were on target. I think the world is looking at The Precedent, again, and they realize that he has no idea what he’s doing. Wait until they figure out that he’s actually trying to kill the US economy.
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 2:44 AM
I think that was before my time. I didn’t get to join until after the election. Who could be scarier than the crew in there now? They have 5 messages about the public plan even the HuffPo crew are claiming they are incompetent
msmveritas on August 17, 2009 at 2:44 AM
What do you make of that? Do you have an opinion as to the causes or the consequences?
Kralizec on August 17, 2009 at 2:45 AM
Huff-N-Puff:
“Damn it! Why doesn’t Obama fraiking ram this down the throats of America? And WTF? Why is he being friendly with the evil corporations? I mean, come on! We could see doing business with Soros, but PhARMA? Frick, frick, frick!!!”
Upstater85 on August 17, 2009 at 2:47 AM
I think that people may be realizing that the markets rebounded too much for too little reason to do so.
MB4 on August 17, 2009 at 2:49 AM
It was during the campaign. For some reason, no hotair pages from 2008 show up in the searches. Odd.
Zelaya? But he probably doesn’t even hate the US as much as The Precedent. And I’m willing to bet that Zelaya knows how to use the indefinite article. Have you ever noticed that about The Precedent? He never uses “an”, just “a” with a long ‘a’ when he wants to say “an”. “Aaaay illegal”, “Aaaay enormous” It drives me crazy. And also is a strong hint that his verbal SATs were probably pretty pathetic.
Yeah, I love it.
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 2:50 AM
Yes, that is about the sum of what they are saying there. Oh and don’t forget that really 70% of the country wants single payer. LOL, really
We’ll never see those SAT’s but I am betting if they were 1600 range we would have seen them. He has lots of really weird speech habits despite being the world’s best orator and all.
I think you nailed it. Ann Coulter keeps predicting a drop here too.
msmveritas on August 17, 2009 at 2:56 AM
Either that or France is better at hiding the true cost of their health care. Or they don’t have to contend with the same dis-economies of scale that the much larger United States does.
At least it shows how completely out of line the hyperbolic rhetoric about “death panels” and “killing old people” is. The Western European countries that have adopted socialized medicine have comparable life expectancies and, assuming your numbers are correct (I don’t know your source), they’re obviously getting the life-saving treatments they need.
RightOFLeft on August 17, 2009 at 3:03 AM
Well, that’s no surprise. I was watching Fox earlier Sunday morning and someone was suspecting then that it was a trial balloon.
Now it’s trial balloon upon trial balloon.
Or is someone just blowing a bunch of trial bubbles?
misslizzi on August 17, 2009 at 3:03 AM
Yeah, seniors are dying to be taken care of in France.
That saves money.
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 3:14 AM
Yes, I was agog and the way the indexes kept going up. Until recently, volume kept dropping as prices increased. That wasn’t a good sign. Shiller’s PE (price to ten-year average annual earnings) has climbed back to 17 or 18, well above the average of 14.4 between 1895 and 1995. The huge drop in the S&P 500 has brought Shiller’s PE just barely below the pre-bubble, longterm average, and for just a short time, under what seem to be perilous business conditions.
One has to give full rein to one’s schadenfreude in order to enjoy these times.
Kralizec on August 17, 2009 at 3:14 AM
Maybe the huffpo crew will get out of their bubble and realize that this has nothing to do with “what is best for America” it’s all about Mr. 57 states:
Obama to Dems wavering on health care: “You’re going to destroy my presidency”
posted at 12:06 pm on July 22, 2009 by Allahpundit
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/22/obama-to-dems-wavering-on-health-care-youre-going-to-destroy-my-presidency/
How in the world these liberal sheep can push this governmental take over of the health care system by their Messiah that admits his family will not use it shows how pathetic they are:
Because these changes are only for the “peasants” you know!!
This type of health policy has nothing but a history of failure internationally,
Obama’s own CBO says it will increase costs/debt dramatically,
the public is overwhelmingly against Obama’s plan,
Obama’s Astroturffing efforts have failed along with his demonization of average Americans who oppose this plan,
Obama’s poll numbers are plummeting and Americans don’t trust what he is telling them just 6 months into his Presidency,
and the democrats amazing strategy is to “stay on message with the President”.
It is amazing how far the democrats have gotten politically off of their War on Bush.
Watching these idiots work leaves no doubt that they have no competent answers/policies or the intelligence to carry them out.
Baxter Greene on August 17, 2009 at 3:20 AM
That happens in the United States every time there’s a heat wave in the midwest. The problem isn’t the health care system, it’s that nobody has air conditioning. I’m not saying we should adopt the European model of health care — far from it. But we should be honest about the real threat of “Obamacare,” which is the crushing deficit we’d invite.
RightOFLeft on August 17, 2009 at 3:21 AM
Hardly.
Actually, in France it was because all of the French were away on vacation and didn’t give a sh!t. Many of the dead people didn’t even make it out of their apartments.
I hope far from it. The European model lives off of the US, the same way that Euros live off of our defense spending, too. We do the hard work and they coast by on the fruits of our market.
The deficit is only one part of it. The fact that it is a totally un-Constitutional and un-American way of structuring our nation is more important. The fact that it will kill medical advancement is another. The fact that care will surely fall in quality is another. There are many reasons to reject Obamacare and to reject the way other countries run their health care. They can draft off of our market, but we can’t.
progressoverpeace on August 17, 2009 at 3:29 AM
Bingo.
misslizzi on August 17, 2009 at 3:41 AM
Yeah, ask about 15,000 elderly from a few years ago how out of alignment it is. Or Princess Diana.
It never ceases to amaze me when people believe the most powerful, most prosperous, most envied, and most advanced country in the world is ALWAYS the one doing things the wrong way, lol. Everyone else has it all figured out, we just haven’t gotten there yet.
xblade on August 17, 2009 at 3:57 AM
But I was looking forward to my Doctor telling me, “Well, that’s good enough for Government work”.
BDU-33 on August 17, 2009 at 4:29 AM
I’ve decided I want to make my own GOP ads and just start sending them to the republicans to give them some pointers.
The first ad?
“why, yes. We are the party of no. Because this republic was created for less government, not more. When the democrats have majority, they seem to lose this principle entirely, thus massive spending in a recession, increased government bureaucracies, and more mandates on personal living. If that is what you like, you’ll get it with the DNC. But if you want lower taxes (more of your money), less government red tape and more personal freedom, vote for the GOP…because we trust you better than we trust Congress with what you make.
So, if democrats are in control and you hear, ‘no. No. NO. No. And, of course, NO.’ Try to understand, we’re just doing our job.”
Mommypundit on August 17, 2009 at 5:40 AM
YouTube, baby, YouTube.
misslizzi on August 17, 2009 at 5:48 AM
Here’s another idea:
“Hey, what’s wrong with vintage?
(show really awesome kitchy vintage items, how we borrow from what we already have done in fashion, film, tech, etc. and then show Reagan…clips of Reagan…talking about Government…talking about government takeover of healthcare.)
It’s time we remember our roots.”
Use every single inane, whiney charge from the left and stuff it back into their face in a stylish tongue-in-cheek ad. REFRESH PEOPLE’S MEMORY about what the GOP stands for…and apologize for how they didn’t tow that line all the time. Make a contract with the American people for their votes…BE THE FREAKING PARTY WHO PROMOTES TERM LIMITS.
Mommypundit on August 17, 2009 at 5:53 AM
Carville is losing it. I actually kind of like the guy as a ‘political character’. Don’t agree with his policies at all – but I sort of like the talented behind the scenes evil geniuses like Rove and Carville regardless of their parties.
That is a telling statement he made, IMO.
With majorities in the House and Senate he thinks it is best to let health care die for now – and run on it’s death in 2010?
Is he insane?
Run on pushing government health care through after the drubbing it just received in the town halls? To the constituents you have just royally PO’d by failing to pass Obama Death Panel Care?
I’m surprised to see Carville say that. This has thrown everything so far off the rails that nobody knows what is going on or what to do next. Sebelius hints that the public option is dead and then there are corrections that say she misspoke.
I think the Democrats may have just lame-ducked themsleves. The party is preventing the party from advancing it’s own agenda.
Mr Purple on August 17, 2009 at 5:57 AM
That might just have to happen. I’m a good ideas/vision/direction person, just not good with production and actual filming.
Mommypundit on August 17, 2009 at 5:57 AM
I hope you are right. I think there are several tiers of democrats. There are real conservative democrats who are actually just moderate republicans, there are career democrats who like incrememtalism as well as their cushy jobs, there are career liberals-a little more kooky and unreasonable than a career democrat, but like their job as well, and then the kamikaze liberals. I think they all run the same, more or less, but only when in power do these people become their true selves…I think Obama is kamikaze. He was preened by Ayers and Soros. One throws bombs and the other dismantles economies. So, it stands to reason that Obama is throwing the proverbial “bomb” of chaos and disruption into the system.
I think a lot of people are shocked that he is so serious about this…and plenty of people are nervous about this direction he’s taken. He isn’t a radical for nothing…it was for “such a time as this.” And he knows that.
Mommypundit on August 17, 2009 at 6:10 AM
You’re exactly correct . . . and that’s why we must not accept the bones he throws out because they’re nothing but bait. This socialist “healthcare” aberration must be kicked to the curb and completely destroyed.
rplat on August 17, 2009 at 6:17 AM
Senator:
American citizens united for the purposes of freedom, liberty and truth in government hereby demand that HR 3200 and all Senate versions be summarily destroyed in place.
We have witnessed the expeditious rollout and attempted passage of 1,017 pages of an omnibus legislative effort halted only by the increasingly skeptical eyes of the American Citizen. A boisterous and proper response, as well as deeper examination of this healthcare legislation has revealed nefarious ethics, increased taxpayer costs and a significant loss of freedom to patients and providers alike. Congress and the White House have lost a significant amount of trust by this rapid effort as both polls and opposition demonstrate clearly.
Today, we witness the attempted “piecemeal editing” of these healthcare legislative efforts. The Senate removed “death panel” provisions and yesterday the White House signaled removal of the “public option” portion of these bills. This modification effort via piecemeal implies the premise that the legislation is right and proper and simply needs modifications around the edges. The American public fundamentally rejects this notion and firmly insists that the legislation that was omnibus, far reaching and massive in its initial presentation, similarly be returned, in its entirety, to its ill-prepared originators in a massive signal from the American Citizen that this legislation is not worthy of our trust, nor time.
We submit to you, Senator, that the President has signaled that “healthcare reform” is a fundamental piece of his governing agenda. Our plan recommends that the president retreat to the White House and begin providing the American people with his vision on healthcare via his own hand. Our guidelines insist that the founding principles of America be addressed in this effort. His references shall include the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist Papers, and the US Constitution. The professor is now the student and the American Taxpayer is now grading the paper. The first draft has been given an “F” and the second draft will be reviewed thoroughly. We the People will determine if and when any healthcare legislation is ready or able to do the job that impacts our lives and those of our children.
In summary, piecemeal editing on omnibus legislation is disingenuous and wrongly assumes the first effort was largely correct. This legislation is being returned in the same fashion it was delivered.
ted c on August 17, 2009 at 6:32 AM
It just annoys the piss out of me when people compare the United States to some piss ant little country like Switzerland. I bet they spend less on their political class too.
Terrye on August 17, 2009 at 6:35 AM
Kicked to the curb indeed!
As I warned in another thread, according to Howard Dean, the next 8 weeks are critical:
In fact, he said, “The people in this room are going to be the most important people in America over the next eight weeks. Seventy-two percent of Americans want a public option. Are you going to stand up for the American people or for the insurance lobby.”
Most important? That’s if we let them. The next 8 weeks are critical for us.
misslizzi on August 17, 2009 at 6:37 AM
My guess is, the stock market tumbles. People begin to freak out.
Obama claims his healthcare bill is really economic stimulus.
That claim doesn’t go over well, and people realize the emperor has no clothes.
jhffmn on August 17, 2009 at 6:51 AM
If only the cost were limited to a dime, or the devalued dollar. Socialists thrust for the Death of the Dollar.
maverick muse on August 17, 2009 at 6:54 AM
jhffmn
People already realize the emperor has no clothes.
We’re tired of paying for Obama’s streaking parties.
maverick muse on August 17, 2009 at 6:56 AM
I’m just looking forward to the moment the tingle turns into a chill.
jhffmn on August 17, 2009 at 6:58 AM
Switzerland probably isn’t spending money it doesn’t have goods and gold to back the currency.
It would be wise for America to quit spending tax dollars taken from a population suffering 10% unemployment, printing paper dollars that have no goods being produced or even gold deposits to back the growing national debt.
Enlarging our government only brings us a more painful death.
Allow free enterprise. Rescind legislation prohibiting interstate insurance policy sales. Rescind legislation prohibiting small businesses from banding as cooperatives to purchase inexpensive insurance policies.
Yes, we need TORT reform. Socialists like caps? Limit how much % lawyers take of winnings as well as limiting the suits.
maverick muse on August 17, 2009 at 7:10 AM
The President who fixed too much spending in Washington by quadrupling spending is going to fix health care spending?
drjohn on August 17, 2009 at 7:15 AM
Public option is NOT off the table. Sebelius “misspoke”.
Key West Reader on August 17, 2009 at 7:16 AM
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