Dem Senator: Public option is dead; Update: Sebelius video added

posted at 12:30 pm on August 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

If Barack Obama hoped to rescue his vision of a health-care system overhaul with his wan effort in the New York Times, a key member of the Senate Democratic Caucus threw a bucket of cold water on those hopes this morning.  Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND) told a television audience that the pursuit of a public option for coverage was a “wasted effort” that would kill any hope of passage in the upper chamber.  Obama, said Conrad, should exercise more humility in approaching a government role in American health care — and even Obama’s key Cabinet member agrees:

“Look, the fact of the matter is there are not the votes in the U.S. Senate for the public option, there never have been,” Conrad said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace.”

“So to continue to chase that rabbit is, I think, a wasted effort,” Conrad said.

His comments followed Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius’s remark that a public option is “not the essential element” to ensure competition in the health insurance market. Sebelius made the remark on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

A public option is included in legislation moving through the House, and is backed by liberals, who would feel betrayed if it is not a part of a final bill. They see a public insurance plan as critical to ensure that private insurance companies offer coverage and lower costs.

Sebelius signaled a big shift in the White House position today.  It looks as though Barack Obama may have realized that the failure to get the bill finished before the summer recess has killed the Trojan horse through which the White House hoped to accomplish the nationalization of health care. It sounds as though Obama wants to alert Democrats at town-hall meetings to stop defending the public option and expect to see it removed from the bills when Congress returns in September.

Conrad’s abandonment of the public option underscores the necessity of the shift.  Conrad comes from a red state with a high degree of populism, which might have been expected to back ObamaCare and the public option.  It hasn’t worked out that way when Democrats went home to visit constituents.  Not only have red-state voters become passionately opposed to government takeover of health care, but independents and even some liberal districts have seen a high degree of anger and fear of losing a system that works for most Americans.  When opponents of ObamaCare get cheers in townhall meetings with Rep. Keith Ellison in one of the most liberal districts in America, MN-05, we know that advocates have something to fear from voter backlash in 2010.

The big question will be whether liberal Democrats will allow anything to pass without a public option.  Three weeks ago, I would have said that Democrats would have passed anything to allow Obama to escape this trap while saving face.  I’m not sure that’s possible any longer.  The biggest threat now would be that both the Senate and the House might pass separate bills without public options, and then have it restored in conference committee.  This is no time to get complacent.

Update: Politico has the video clip of Sebelius gently retreating from the public option:

A White House aide said in an e-mailed statement Sunday afternoon that “nothing has changed” in the administration’s approach.

“The president has always said that what is essential is that health insurance reform must lower costs, ensure that there are affordable options for all Americans and it must increase choice and competition in the health insurance market,” said Linda Douglass, communications director for the White House Office of Health Reform. “He believes the public option is the best way to achieve those goals.

But taken together, the remarks from Obama, Sebelius and Conrad suggest the White House is preparing supporters for a health care compromise that may well exclude the government option — which could help Obama win enough votes for a sweeping overhaul but touch off a nasty battle inside his own party between liberals and more moderate members who have resisted a bigger government role in health care.

Pass the popcorn, and expect this to get nasty on the Left.


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This news warrants a deeper examination into the public option and even closer examination of the bill. The key question from this news is, “Given that the president owns the WH, the Congress and the Senate, what leadership qualities does he lack that prevents him from producing the key piece of healthcare legislation that he so desperately wanted in 2003 and 2007?”

ted c on August 16, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Thank you Sarah!!! No wonder the left hates her. The pen is mightier than the sword.

Still, we must not take our eyes off the ball…read and re-read Rhambo’s brother’s article…he IS advising the president, and he is a liar when he says it doesn’t say what it says…it DOES say it is obvious to deny treatment to those with dementia. This IS the goal, this IS how to save $, by pulling the plug on grandma.

An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with de-mentia. A less obvious example is guaranteeing neuropsycho-logical services to ensure chil-dren with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason.

JustTruth101 on August 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer system”

Don’t ever forget those words….EVER!!

katy on August 16, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Folks: Now, sharpen your attacks, the little gazelle is wounded out on the prairie. For your initial thrust hath wounded the spry animal, and hobbled it only slightly. It has shown you the limp, but may still outrun you. You are hungry, you are determined and you have now tasted blood. Your pace should quicken and you can outmaneuver this animal. You have planned victory and now chosen battle on your terms. Fix your gaze upon your target and continue pursuit.

Spartan, come home either with your shield, or carried upon it.

ted c on August 16, 2009 at 3:11 PM

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer system”

Don’t ever forget those words….EVER!!

katy on August 16, 2009

Good advice. We may (not certain yet) have barricaded the front door, but we have a back door and all those windows to guard. With that slippery snake, I’d hammer down a 2X4 over the mail slot too.

SKYFOX on August 16, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Trust nothing from this administration. They lie as easily as they breathe.

kingsjester on August 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Another quote I find highlly illustrative and surprisingly revealing from Rhambo’s article:

services provided to in-dividuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed.

What do the republicans offer instead? Mark Kirk was on Fox this morning, the R’s are offering great ideas, why don’t we hear more about them?

They include:

1. Comprehensive medical liability reform that will reduce costly, unnecessary defensive medicine practiced by doctors trying to protect themselves from overzealous trial lawyers.

2. Financial help to caregivers who provide in-home care for a loved one.

3. Incentives to physicians who enter the field of primary care, helping to ensure all Americans have access to the doctors they need.

4. Removal of cross state barriers to competition.

JustTruth101 on August 16, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Folks: Now, sharpen your attacks, the little gazelle is wounded out on the prairie. For your initial thrust hath wounded the spry animal, and hobbled it only slightly. It has shown you the limp, but may still outrun you. You are hungry, you are determined and you have now tasted blood. Your pace should quicken and you can outmaneuver this animal. You have planned victory and now chosen battle on your terms. Fix your gaze upon your target and continue pursuit.

Spartan, come home either with your shield, or carried upon it.

ted c on August 16, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Absolutely correct – DO NOT BACK DOWN NOW - they are attempting to lull the sleeping giant back to sleep so they can pass this monstrosity while we are not paying attention.

We must be EVER vigilant. Self-delusion and not paying attention is what got Obama elected.

JustTruth101 on August 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Trust nothing from this administration. They lie as easily as they breathe.

kingsjester on August 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM

ALL LIBERALS DO, its the truth they cannot cope with because we will not vote their truth into office if we understood “their truth”.

allrsn on August 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM

This is only an attempt to lower the tempature, give a false sense of comfort, then when this sucker gets to conference, to insert it back in. By that time, they are counting on the anger and emotion to subside. It will be difficult to maintain this resolve for 1-2 more months and they know it.

I also sense the weak knee’d RINO’s will bite at there tactic (with the goal to appear ‘bipartisan’ and cooperative) which will make it more difficult to stop

This will get interesting….

tatersalad on August 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM

In the future this will be an important quote to have memorized…

“Look, the fact of the matter is there are not the votes in the U.S. Senate for the public option, there never have been,”

And remember who said it:

Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND), key member of the Senate Democratic Caucus

When the leftists try to pin the failure of the 2009 Health Care Reform on unruly Republicans/Conservatives, or Republican lobbyists, this will be the quote to answer them with.

deesine on August 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM

They want to change IRS & SS rules and give a nod to labor unions with HR 3200 -

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

Page 167

TITLE IV—AMENDMENTS TO INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986
Subtitle A—Shared Responsibility

Page 489

SEC. 1307. EXCLUDING CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER SERVICES FROM COVERAGE UNDER THE MEDICARE SKILLED NURSING FACILITY PROSPECTIVE PAYMENT SYSTEM AND CONSOLIDATED PAYMENT.

(a) INGENERAL.—Section 1888(e)(2)(A)(ii) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395yy(e)(2)(A)(ii)) is amended by inserting ‘‘clinical social worker services,’’
after ‘‘qualified psychologist services,’’.

clinical social worker services = ACORN

Page 588 Line 14

PART 2—TARGETING ENFORCEMENT
SEC. 1421. CIVIL MONEY PENALTIES.

Page 1008

(a) SKILLEDNURSINGFACILITIES.—
(1) INGENERAL.—Section 1819(h)(2)(B)(ii) of
the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395i–
3(h)(2)(B)(ii)) is amended to read as follows:

Subtitle D—Grants for Comprehensive Programs to Provide Education to Nurses and Create a Pipeline to Nursing

Page 1009

(c) ELIGIBILITY.—To be eligible for a grant under this section, an entity shall be—
(1) a health care entity that is jointly administered by a health care employer and a labor union (THINK SEIU) – representing the health care employees of the employer and that carries out activities using labor management training funds as provided for under section 302(c)(6) of the Labor Management Relations Act, 1947 (29 U.S.C. 186(c)(6));

izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 3:23 PM

In the future this will be an important quote to have memorized…
“Look, the fact of the matter is there are not the votes in the U.S. Senate for the public option, there never have been,”
And remember who said it:

Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND), key member of the Senate Democratic Caucus

When the leftists try to pin the failure of the 2009 Health Care Reform on unruly Republicans/Conservatives, or Republican lobbyists, this will be the quote to answer them with.

deesine on August 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM

THE GOP will try to take absolute credit when the dems say HealthCare Reform failed because of a conservative backlash. It was not our GOP reps or senators that made a difference. It was the people….
They have not heard the last of us yet.

izoneguy on August 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM

According to the DNC, the MSM, and the vichy republicans all the protests we had back fired.

jukin on August 16, 2009 at 3:29 PM

No one is getting complacent ever again. But conservatives and tea-paty people need to single out other abominations of the bill, and widen the argument into one of freedom vs. autocracy, on all counts.

rrpjr on August 16, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Actually, the Democrats are taking “one step back” to take “two steps forward.” Now it’s all about demonizing insurance companies, and the public option will be back on the table asap. See, ‘Kathleen Sebelius: Public Option ‘Not Essential Element’ of ObamaCare’.

Donald Douglas on August 16, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Exactly. I am going to call every single Blue Dog Dem next week raising hell about this “co-op” crap.

Norwegian on August 16, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Give em Hell.

Geochelone on August 16, 2009 at 3:40 PM

progressoverpeace on August 16, 2009 at 2:38 PM

The narrowly averted coup by the socialists, communists and separatists of December/January last in their shameful attempt to grab power under the guise of an absolutely unnecessary massive economic stimulus slash carbon credit hoax, comfortable in that their fellow travelers had now taken control of Washington, is all you needed to mention to win that argument.

13blackcats on August 16, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Contact.

ted c on August 16, 2009 at 3:47 PM

No bill whatsoever is my bottom line. A cop-op is just another Fannie/Freddie that will usher in another generation of bankruptcy.

Repeal the mental health mandates too in the bailout, and I might vote Republican again.

PattyJ on August 16, 2009 at 3:49 PM

First they’ve had to back down off of death panels that supposedly “weren’t there” and now to this. This raises serious and important questions into the initial authorship of the bill, the quality of the writing, the scope of its reach, the legislative and societal impact as well as the lack of clarity and leadership engaged in the overall pitch to the American public.

This bill is all over the place and should be killed outright as a horrendous omnibus medical legislative effort of dubious and nefarious ethical value.

Never have so few been so unethical and untruthful to so many. I would encourage all to continue the post mortem dissection that is Obamacare, today’s revelation only indicates that you’re nearing the tumor.

ted c on August 16, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Someone needs to close that font tag for the Sebelius update in the title. STAT!

progressoverpeace on August 16, 2009 at 3:54 PM

I’m seeing red!

Red font color, that is… blood in the water?

ajacksonian on August 16, 2009 at 3:56 PM

13blackcats on August 16, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Yeah … but I have a real thing about party-oriented parliamentary systems versus our individualistic system. Nothing personal, blackcats. You’ll see me write about the distinctions fairly often – and I almost never pass up a chance to rant on, once more, about it.

progressoverpeace on August 16, 2009 at 3:57 PM

PLEASE READ, very important! We want to get this around before he has a chance to control the news cycle next week.

Every single day, I wake up to a new fight with Obamarx.

The new tactic is touting no public option, but a Co-op. A Co-op IS a Public option.

I think this is the back door (Saul Alinsky way) to a Public Option.

Any co-op that is started up with government money (OUR MONEY BY THE WAY) and funded by the government (STILL OUR MONEY) and where it doesn’t have to make a profit to stay viable and in buisiness, then it IS a public option.

If the flow of money is endless to fund it and because it will be cheaper than our current insurance companies, …then it will still force the others out of business. It also concernes me that since a co-op is supposed to be membership controlled, who will be the members controlling it? If the President’s friends, associates and Czars are any clue we are in a world of additional trouble.

I found this on Brian Kilmeade’s and Judge Napolitano’s page about a co-op when they tried to float it in July:

The left wants us to believe it is a right because of its government- knows-best attitude, and because of the President’s spread-the-wealth goals. If health care were treated as a good, if it were unregulated, you’d see McDonald’s-like clinics competing for your health care needs on every street corner. But so long as the government forces insurance companies to offer services that people can’t use and don’t want, and so long as we all are forced to pay high insurance premiums for all this, costs will stay up and poor folks will be forced to choose between rent and health insurance.

A government co-op will look like the Post Office. Since the feds will own it, the politicians will run it. Thus, expect a political model, not a business model. Just as the feds will soon give tax credits to those who buy cars from the government-owned GM, it will do the same for its health care co-op. Private business cannot compete against a government that will tilt the playing fiend to favor its patrons. A co-op will put the camel’s nose under the tent, and just lead tomorrow to the egalitarian utopian fantasies that the President wants today.

Now, the left is coming out against the co-op to make us think it’s a good thing and an acceptable compromise. It is NOT.

Remember, the camel’s nose under the tent……

TriciaNC on August 16, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Beware of anything Kathleen Sebelious says. Her track record demonstrates that she is incapable of the truth. Her strings are being pulled by the masters of Obama’s teleprompter. Their intention is not swayed in any manner by the wishes of the majority of American voters. Their contempt for the average person is the motivation to succeed at all costs. The truth be damned. Sebelious is just one one of many willing tools to be used for achieving those goals.

volsense on August 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM

This is far from over… the siege has simply paused.
Hey, what is that wooden animal they are building?

mjbrooks3 on August 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Just remember………….

………. Obama will never tell you the truth, what he says he doesn’t want, he does, and he will use Chicago style thug politics, graft, and corruption to get what he wants.

He has the leftist media on his side, and is surrounded by like minded minions who don’t dare oppose him for fear of their lives………..

………. I have no doubt that he will use the full force and power of the Office of the President of the United States to get what he wants, or he will destroy the country.

The brain washed masses elected a monster…….

……. and as the American people rise up against his policies, his true nature is showing.

Seven Percent Solution on August 16, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Red Alert?

Seven Percent Solution on August 16, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Party-oriented parliamentary systems are crap. They have little to no separation of powers (specifically because of what you just mentioned, that the executive branch is not even formed unless there is total control by the same coalition in the legislature) and are oriented towards collectivism at the deepest political level. The US is founded on exactly the opposite. We are an individualistic nation that does not have political parties even appearing as Constitutional entities (the individual is the fundamental political entity in the US system). You people have virtual Executive branches because European systems were built up around an existing, and permanent, Executive branch – the royals. You went through an ad-hoc process of taking many of the powers of that executive and giving them to the legislature, leading to the silly sort of virtual executive that you have, but that is why you have no pearation of powers – which was one of the foundations of our Constitutional structure.

It is only by a confluence of bad events and traitors banding together that we, in the US, have the Executive and the Congress controlled by the same America-hating morons. That is just a risk that must be taken with all of the benefits that our system offers. We don’t need no-confidence votes to toss this Traitor-in-Chief out, as he is ineligible to be there and can be tossed at any moment for that – once we get the guts to do the right thing.

As to no-confidence votes and parliaments, the treasonous and moronic dems in control, now, certainly do think that we have a parliamentary system, as some of the first moves they made after taking Congress in 2006 was to hold a couple of no-confidence votes against Bush, which were truly hysterical, since no-confidence votes by the legislature have exactly zero meaning in our individualistic system with a permanent Executive.

There’s a reason the US has outperformed every other nation and has been the beacon of individual liberty (until the collectivist push we are now seeing) and that is because our nation was founded on individualism, limiting and spearating government power, and setting those limited powers in competition/conflict/partnership with each other to avoid having power accumulated and concentrated and leading to tyranny. That was the whole point of our Constitutional structure and it is light years ahead of any tribalistic, party-oriented, centralized power structure of the Euro-style parliamentary systems.

progressoverpeace on August 16, 2009 at 2:38 PM

that’s why I stay with HotAir,
where learning is easy and fun!

P.S. Tell any Republican who compromises on this bill that they can go away in 2010, too. KILL IT DEAD!

tigerlily on August 16, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Let’s see if this works.

unclesmrgol on August 16, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Nobody want’s to admit that they slipped on their opponent’s putative “astroturf”.

I’d love to see the libs ride this one all the way to the next election cycle.

unclesmrgol on August 16, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Yea, and I think that Sarah helped quite a bit herself. But let’s not give her any credit, she is now just a nobody and a quitter. Right?

And lets not think we really have won anything. Obama and his backers will get something through both the House and Senate even if it takes them watering it down to almost nothing.

Then they will do like they have done countless times before. They will set down in the back rooms with their advisors and lobbyists and write in what ever Obama and his wealthy backers tell them to and no one will be able to stop them. Then Obama can sign what he and his handlers have directed to be written.

We conservatives haven’t liked the choices our government has been making for about the last fifty years and this “Health Care Reform” was just the last straw.

But being the silent ones we just kept working and hoping that our government would somehow see the light and the errors in their ways. And being gullible we kept voting for those that lied and said they were for conservative ways and measures and a smaller government.

Our continuing big mistakes.

The democrats have been planning this takeover and expansion of our Republic for ages and each time they get in power, they along with republicans in name only do more and more damage to our Republic.
Power indeed does corrupt, but it takes a certain kind of people that want to change America into something that our Founders never wanted and warned us about.

Now, because of several new reasons, the American people, or at least over half of them have been shocked out of their inattention and stupidity of inaction.

But being conservatives, do we have the guts and the stamina to push back hard enough, long enough to rid ourselves of these progressive neo-commie socialists and their backers (wherever and whomever they are)?

If our votes can’t do it, the only alternative is so terrible, as not to be spoken of until it will be almost too late.

A quote if I may:

The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
2009 Judge Alex Kozinski

Papa Ray
West Texas

Papa Ray on August 16, 2009 at 4:14 PM

The new tactic is touting no public option, but a Co-op. A Co-op IS a Public option.

They are Marxists. They are just changing words, not goals.

JellyToast on August 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM

redrum…..

katy on August 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Red rover red rover throw Obamacare right over.

katy on August 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Red red wiiiine…

katy on August 16, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Red dawn…

katy on August 16, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Dammit, I’m so mad I’m seeing red.

MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 4:29 PM

If a bill is passed that only stops denial of pre-existing conditions and the dropping of claimants without opening the market across state lines then the only result will be higher premiums and more people without insurance.

This will allow the dems to blame republicans on stoping insurance reform and provide cover in the next elections.

This bill needs to die in its entirety.

Yes, and as I and others have said;

We conservatives need to “keep up the skeer.” Continue to insist on;
1. Tort reform.
2. Insurance offered across state lines.
3. No public option, or co-op. All of these, as offered, are Trojan Horses for single payer.

Keep the pressure on. Don’t let up.

massrighty on August 16, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Red Scare.

Pelayo on August 16, 2009 at 4:29 PM

This is a U.S. record! A president reaching LAME DUCK STATUS just 7 months into his 4 year term… now let’s get rid of Cap N Trade & cancel the 90% of the $787 billion “stimulus” that has not been distributed. Then send all American citizens a $5000 “due diligence” award for making their voices heard. That’ll stimulate the ecomomy and save taxpayers about $706 billion.
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Ed, what’s up with the Drudge-style red lettering? I don’t know about anyone else, but IT’S NOT EASY ON THE EYES- especially against the darker gray background. A line or two in red would be okay- but I’m having trouble reading so many lines in red. Am I the only one who is having a problem with this? (No, I don’t have a metallic taste in my mouth and there is no truth to the rumor of the little green men jumping off HotAir’s pages. Right?… r-r-right?)

NightmareOnKStreet on August 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Better to be Dead then Red

Pelayo on August 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Ahhhhhhhh!!!!! My EYES !!!!!

darwin on August 16, 2009 at 4:31 PM

red dawn

JustTruth101 on August 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM

If Obama drops the public option, i guarantee all the conservatives they will be taking over in 2010 and 2012.

Afrolib on August 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Ed, what’s up with the Drudge-style red lettering? I don’t know about anyone else, but IT’S NOT EASY ON THE EYES- especially against the darker gray background. A line or two in red would be okay- but I’m having trouble reading so many lines in red. Am I the only one who is having a problem with this? (No, I don’t have a metallic taste in my mouth and there is no truth to the rumor of the little green men jumping off HotAir’s pages. Right?… r-r-right?)

NightmareOnKStreet on August 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM

This is just a guess on my part; when the Sebelius update was added, (in red, as are all updates,) the moderator forgot to close the red font.

massrighty on August 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Red Revolution?

Pelayo on August 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Roses are red…

katy on August 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Wolverine….WOLVERINE!

ted c on August 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Thank the Lord. I thought it was just me.

kingsjester on August 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM

I say we make tomorrows color neon green. The words will just pop off the page.

milwife88 on August 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM

WE THE PEOPLE!!!

Together we can do anything. It’s not over. Keep up the good work!!!!

WyoMike on August 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Roses are red
violets are blue,
Obama’s health care plan
is his big Waterloo….

ted c on August 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Back in black?

LibTired on August 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM

NightmareOnKStreet on August 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM

This is just a guess on my part; when the Sebelius update was added, (in red, as are all updates,) the moderator forgot to close the red font.

massrighty on August 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Thanks massrighty. I think you’re onto something. ED? COME BACK TO THE KEYBOARD ED!… My eyes!! Oh, no… I see dead people… heh, it’s just the democrats. Nevermind.

NightmareOnKStreet on August 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Red herring…

katy on August 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Red +

katy on August 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM

One option down…..and a couple O’-trillion to go.

Rovin on August 16, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Restoring the public option in conference would be suicidal and pointless. Any conference bill would have to be sent back to both houses for approval and it’s clear that any conference bill, that included a public option, would be voted down in the senate. There is still the risk that public sentiment may turn and that’s good reason for public option opponents to stay active, but any attempt to use the conference committee to sneak in a public option would fail.

Stickeehands on August 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM

It’s as if the surrender of the public option has been paid for with the efforts of red blooded Americans.
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RalphyBoy on August 16, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Red bloods – 1
Blue bloods – 0

First inning, bases are loaded.

katy on August 16, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Oh boy, we’s just gettin’ a started….

there’s targets out there boys, there’s targets out there….

ted c on August 16, 2009 at 5:02 PM

I’m going to the range this afternoon. I have a homemade target. It’s an Obamacare poster with a red line slashed through it.

Wish me luck!

katy on August 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Back in Black!

massrighty on August 16, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Wish me luck!

katy on August 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM

get some!

ted c on August 16, 2009 at 5:10 PM

If Obama does not get his “public option” which of course we all know is the “camel’s big nose under the tent” towards “single payer” then I don’t know what he gets. Can’t see that it would be much.

If it sounds like Karl Marx, acts like Benito Mussolini, but stumbles like Bozo the Clown, it’s probably Barack Obama!

MB4 on August 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Oh my…. Between this and the Pharma Memo the Huffpo’s are in full melt down mode. LMAO!:)

Bulldogger on August 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Beware of anything Kathleen Sebelious says. Her track record demonstrates that she is incapable of the truth. Her strings are being pulled by the masters of Obama’s teleprompter. Their intention is not swayed in any manner by the wishes of the majority of American voters. Their contempt for the average person is the motivation to succeed at all costs. The truth be damned. Sebelious is just one one of many willing tools to be used for achieving those goals.

volsense on August 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Boy, you got that right.

anniekc on August 16, 2009 at 5:30 PM

So they were trying to add a trillion dollars to the debt for something they now confess as being non-essential. Hmmmm.

pearson on August 16, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Song by Perry L. Nunley, “Grandma Got Run Over by Obama-Care.”
http://amaze.fm/artist/Perry/grandma-got-run-over-by-obama-care/

GrannyDee on August 16, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Let us not forget that the Greeks pretended to give up and leave the shores of Troy; a ruse that furthered their scheme to get the Trojan horse past Troy’s gates.

Hence, the harmless sounding “co-op.” Either through congressional conference or regulatory fiat, they will figure out a way to have their public option. This things needs to be killed completely.

derik on August 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Why would the Fed govt spend tax money setting up “coops”?? What’s the point?

I haven’t looked into it that much but my understanding is that they will start coops which will compete with private insurance companies. Who owns and runs em? ACORN? Tax money used to start them up but then they are supposed to run without subsidies. But if the market can’t attract the capital to start coops doesn’t that tell you everything you need to know about their viability? And how do coops do anything but spend more federal funds and come back begging for more?

The only RATIONALE FOR COOPS seems to be to save Obama face as a booby prize after losing the big game. And perhaps to pass out rewards to constituents who run them.

The DANGER of coops is that it will attract REPUBLICAN VOTES from squishy quasiliberal senators like Hatch, thus spreading the blame and making failed ideas “bipartisan”.

I’m ready to be educated. Am I missing something? I know some coops are successful but not sure that they are like these are designed.

DaMav on August 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM

This is a U.S. record! A president reaching LAME DUCK STATUS just 7 months into his 4 year term…

NightmareOnKStreet on August 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Not.

allrsn on August 16, 2009 at 5:35 PM

It’s a ruse my peeps. It’s simply a ruse to get us to backoff so the left can call us mean and “just wanting obama to fail” because — “Look, we’ve dropped the death panels and public option”

it’s simply deception.

continue pursuit and take no prisoners. No moderates. This is the old Dem playbook of overreach, pull back, make concessions, look bipartisan, demonize, then get what they want anyway. We are in pull back phase. Make no concessions, continue to flood the field with harsh criticism of the remaining bill that is in play and that which isn’t. It is omnibus legislation and it is more than likely that there are hidden areas in other parts of the bill to account for these mere superficial weakenings in this portion.

Don’t fall for it.

ted c on August 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM

I wonder if the lefties are having a big funeral for the Public Option… You know like when there was the “death of hippie.”

Upstater85 on August 16, 2009 at 5:40 PM

The biggest threat now would be that both the Senate and the House might pass separate bills without public options, and then have it restored in conference committee.

The use of conference committees should be banned via Constitutional amendment. It is an absolutely un-democratic process. Any bills should have to be debated and voted on in public session in both houses and if there are differences between them then they need to fix it via amendments also debated and voted on in public session.

KSgop on August 16, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Don’t fall for it.

ted c on August 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Couldn’t agree more…. plus we need to keep up the pressure against Crap and Tax too.

There is something happening here – but I still don’t trust the lot of them about anything they say.

I might be more inclined if the new “bill” came back at about ten pages instead of 1100.

tru2tx on August 16, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Palin’s fault!

I’m sure there will be a full on revenge smearing of Sarah Palin now that she ‘facebooked’ 0bamaCare.

Outspoken majority public opinion is the real victor – but Sarah’s ‘death panel’ comment was the final blow. Yes, others had used it. Zero didn’t single them out for a response and then pull the plug on his plan, though.

Co-ops are a compromise neither side really wants. Libs think they are getting ‘money wasting RomneyCare’. They don’t want that. The right thinks it is GovCare in disguise or a plan for failure.

I know Congress and the TOTUS want to pass a bill just to have something to point to – but it’s not gonna be popular. My guess is a largely symbolic bill gets passed that benefits the unions (and other liberal interest groups) most. He’ll pay off some more supporters but will lose the Health Care war.

Expect a ton of Palin bashing beffore the Cap and Trade fun begins. It’s tough to demonize voters and town hall attendees. Defeat him there (momentum already there w/ 4 (D) Sen’s asking for a delay), gain seats in 2010 and America might survive and undo this socialist experiment foisted upon us.

Mr Purple on August 16, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Glenn Reynolds is calling this a Parthian retreat. He’s right. It’s clear the White House has poll tested “public option” and “co-ops” and found out that co-ops sells better. “It’s just like a your local credit union,” they’ll say. Uh-huh, except my bank can’t say, “Hey, we’re switching your account over to this credit union where they’re going to pay you lower interest rates, provide fewer services, and run everything you ask them to do by a government bureaucrat first.”

Rational Thought on August 16, 2009 at 5:46 PM

I think the general public needs to start demanding a full accounting of where all the tax money is spent at all levels of government. What about all the lottery money and toll money too. To top it all off we are paying for our own destruction. At a time when the veil has fallen and the left has been shown for who they truly are I think it is time we as a people take back control of our taxes and stop paying for the destruction of this country. If we need money for health care so bad then stop giving it out to foriegn countries who by the way hate us more then the lefties do!

sonnyspats1 on August 16, 2009 at 5:46 PM

It aint over till the fat lady sings.

Yakko77 on August 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM

This is a step towards victory (mini-win), but just remember, after St Baracky leaves office, the left will always look back on the un-American, Racist townhalls and tell the PBS documentary reporter how in the hateful summer of ’09, bigoted Americans came out to kill health care and hence all uninsured single illegal alien mothers.

Upstater85 on August 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Uh, No…watch ‘em…and I mean both hands. Sorry for the paranoia, but this particular bunch of uber-libs think they’re too slick by half. That is all.

jakev on August 16, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Too good to be true.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 16, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Not.

allrsn on August 16, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Oooh! that one stung!
/sarc.

massrighty on August 16, 2009 at 6:05 PM

In fact, according to Salon:

the senator’s communications director, Sean Neary, told Salon that the story was inaccurate. Conrad has been telling his constituents that he won’t let the government run their health care, which may be the cause of the confusion, but that language doesn’t preclude the public option.

Remember, their lips are moving…

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 16, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Like I said Ed, Their going to push this Co-Op crap which is funded by and run by government. All it amounts to is another government entitlement that we should kill. And now ladies and gentlemen, I’m going to SUBWAY! Because I’m really hungry, anyway, keep up the fight!

Humphrey007 on August 16, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Head fake.

Don’t believe he is taking his ball and going home for one minute. “By any means necessary,” remember Rules for Radicals. Lying by the Neo-Marxists is an everyday thing and Obama is pathological that way.

enoughalready on August 16, 2009 at 6:07 PM

It’s a ruse my peeps. It’s simply a ruse to get us to backoff so the left can call us mean and “just wanting obama to fail” because — “Look, we’ve dropped the death panels and public option”


It’s obvious to us, and while the American public is engaged and educated about this issue in a way I’ve never seen in my relatively short life (which makes me beam with pride and renewed faith in my fellow citizens), the subterfuge may not be so obvious.


Either by believing the threat is truly passed or a willful blindness because it’s simply easier to go back to trusting your government, I’m worried a critical number of Americans will disengage. Giving Obamacare any room to breath could prove fatal to the opposition. We need Ed, AP, Michelle, Ace, and everyone else to educate us all on what a co-op is, why the government has no business creating one, how it can be transformed into the public option (the precursor to Obama’s single payer nirvana), and what free market solutions could improve the situation for almost no cost to the taxpayer.


That is now our challenge.

derik on August 16, 2009 at 6:12 PM

We need to ratchet up the pressure more than ever and keep expressing voter outrage over these twisted social engineering power grabs. They’re not giving up their agenda. The fight has just begun. Defeat these Marxists in 2010. Give them no cover.

Philly on August 16, 2009 at 6:20 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ranWacynFPc

Grand Junction, CO Healthcare rally… You won’t see this on the State Sponsered Media

And, don’t forget Aug. 22, http://www.recessrally.com

reshas1 on August 16, 2009 at 6:26 PM

We need to ratchet up the pressure more than ever and keep expressing voter outrage over these twisted social engineering power grabs. They’re not giving up their agenda. The fight has just begun. Defeat these Marxists in 2010. Give them no cover.

Philly on August 16, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Dead on, Philly!

massrighty on August 16, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Back-Door Barry is just setting us up for a later tweak of ZeroCare that will bring the single-payer option back to life when it’s too late.

One line out of a thousand corrupt pages is not a victory.

Fight on.

Maquis on August 16, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Pass the popcorn, and expect this to get nasty on the Left.

Ooooooooooooooh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. The libtards are already getting into it.

Here’s some from DummiecratUnderground.

Kent Conrad: Public Option “A Wasted Effort”

Thanks for selling us out, Conrad! Seems like your staffer lied when he said you were misquoted.

How much does Conrad get in contributions from the insurance companies I wonder. No need to answer

Blue Cross Blue Shield started as a coop. My school district uses them. Costs $625 a month for me and my spouse. No dental, no vision, no disability, no long term care, no cancer. Good luck getting something out of them for what they say they will cover. Single payer universal is the only solution that will not morph into more of the same.

Good luck on getting the start up money.
Since Baucus and Conrad are bought and paid for by the insurance racketeers, they will make sure to co-opt the co-ops and make them as weak as possible.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 16, 2009 at 6:33 PM

More heads are exploding over Conrad’s statement.

A co-op is doomed to fail because it can never have a sufficient risk pool.

Furthermore, your assertion that “bozos in Washington” would “decide” what “my healthcare benefits will be” is pure nonsense. All of the proposals that have any kind of public option simply establish a floor of minimum benefits that all policies, both private and “public,” must provide. You’d still be able to buy extra coverage from the private market if you felt you needed more coverage.

I’d rather have an elected official, who must answer to me, to go to if I had a gripe about my coverage. Today’s reality is you take what you’re given and, if your private insurer weasels out of its responsibility, as their adjusters are paid bonuses to do, you have a choice: Go to the fatcat CEO’s office and get arrested, or go home and die.

Today’s system is designed simply to make a profit for shareholders, pay executives millions (sometimes billions) of dollars, and funnel bribes “campaign contributions” to republicans.

(my emphasis)

We’re 0 for 9

in 1912, Teddy Roosevelt called for National Health Insurance and Wilson took him to the cleaners for wanting to “regulate everything”.
In 1933, FDR tried for Health Insurance and he too gave up. He got half a loaf called Social Security.
In 1949, Truman tried for Health Insurance and Baxter & Associates tarred him with “Socialized Medicine”.
In 1961, Kennedy failed to pass Medicare.
In 1965, Johnson had to settle for another half loaf called Medicare and Medicaid.
In 1974, we tried again to pass the single-payer Kennedy-Griffiths act, then Kennedy abandoned single payer and worked with Wilbur Mills for another watered down version of health insurance reform that got torpedoed. Hell, I remember that battle, I fought in it. I still remember when the AMA actually proposed “Medicredit” which would assist people based on how much they paid in taxes.
In 1994, not only did Hillary get torpedoed by that liar Andrew Sullivan, but his pals Harry and Louise finished the job on the Federal level. So here in California, we fought for single payer proposition 104, which got shot down after the health insurance racketeers poured 100 million into the state to kill it.
In this decade, twice we’ve passed single payer in California only to be hit with a veto from Arnold the A$$hole

Now Obama has sold us out

It’s 0 for 9. Game over. We’ve lost.

I’m buying shares in Orville Redenbacher.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 16, 2009 at 6:37 PM

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