Video: Specter shocked, shocked to find individual mandate in ObamaCare
posted at 1:36 pm on August 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
This kind of thing is so predictable that it’s a wonder that we haven’t seen more of these moments coming from the increasingly rare open town-hall forums this month. When legislators don’t bother to read bills before supporting them, they will obviously fail to know all the nuggets of disasters contained within them. The beauty of this clip is that the question that flummoxes Specter comes not from a Tea Party protester but from one of Specter’s putative allies from a union:
The key takeaway comes at the end:
“In a free society, if people absolutely insist on not being covered, that’s ultimately going to be their choice.”
Had Specter done his job, he would already know about Section 401 of the House version of ObamaCare. King Banaian read it over a week ago and highlighted this particular portion in order to make clear that the bill does indeed impose individual mandates and assigns penalties for non-compliance:
In General- Subchapter A of chapter 1 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new part:
Subpart a. tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.
‘Subpart A–Tax on Individuals Without Acceptable Health Care Coverage‘Sec. 59B. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.
Sec. 59b. tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.
‘(a) Tax Imposed- In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of–
‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over
‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
‘(b) Limitations-
‘(1) TAX LIMITED TO AVERAGE PREMIUM-
‘(A) IN GENERAL- The tax imposed under subsection (a) with respect to any taxpayer for any taxable year shall not exceed the applicable national average premium for such taxable year.
‘(B) APPLICABLE NATIONAL AVERAGE PREMIUM-
‘(i) IN GENERAL- For purposes of subparagraph (A), the ‘applicable national average premium’ means, with respect to any taxable year, the average premium (as determined by the Secretary, in coordination with the Health Choices Commissioner) for self-only coverage under a basic plan which is offered in a Health Insurance Exchange for the calendar year in which such taxable year begins.
‘(ii) FAILURE TO PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR MORE THAN ONE INDIVIDUAL- In the case of any taxpayer who fails to meet the requirements of subsection (e) with respect to more than one individual during the taxable year, clause (i) shall be applied by substituting ‘family coverage’ for ‘self-only coverage’.
2) PRORATION FOR PART YEAR FAILURES- The tax imposed under subsection (a) with respect to any taxpayer for any taxable year shall not exceed the amount which bears the same ratio to the amount of tax so imposed (determined without regard to this paragraph and after application of paragraph (1)) as–
‘(A) the aggregate periods during such taxable year for which such individual failed to meet the requirements of subsection (d), bears to
‘(B) the entire taxable year.
Why doesn’t Specter know about this part of ObamaCare? Shouldn’t he have educated himself on the particulars of the “reform” before attempting to defend it in town-hall meetings? More critically, would Specter commit to opposing a bill that explicitly rejects his stated standard? If not, why not?
Read the bill, Senator. Inform yourself rather than spread “disinformation,” or Linda Douglass may have to track you at the White House’s Snitch Central.










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There is always the calendar method, which explains my third child. God knew more about what we needed than we did.
TXMomof3 on August 14, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Me? Oh gosh, I was the one who pushed birth control back when it was really tricky to obtain.
No, I don’t know why, but I was always hideously responsible about this issue.
I think I just accepted more quickly than maybe other women friends that men were irresponsible about it.
I never wavered on this.
I’ve had one child. That child was absolutely wanted.
I raised that child, btw, without any help from the father. I do admit…I’m lousy at picking men.
But, he totally has a great memory of his childhood, and he’s turned out to be a great young man.
I’m content about my own choices.
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:28 PM
In Arnolds voice…”It’s NOT a tuuumor”
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Why do women have kids BEFORE they get married? Or am I just being Old Fashioned?
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM
I was just commenting on The Precedent’s clown hall in Montana.
progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Hope tight jeans are okay. ;-)
TXUS on August 14, 2009 at 3:32 PM
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:33 PM
I think I saw that as a routine in a Robin Hood spoof movie.
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 3:33 PM
I was at the town hall in Lebanon PA with Spector. What a clown! Now wait a minute now wait a minute now wait a minute! It’s a damn shame what they’re doing to Katy Abram all the woman did was tell him how we are feeling. She wasn’t ugly or nasty. And poor Mr. Miller if some dude came behind me and grabbed my arms I’d turn around swinging! That man was not in agreement with most of us in the room. We were upset that we couldn’t ask questions. And Mr. Miller was going to have his say! I can’t wait to go to another…be it a tea party or town hall. Oh that’s right the other two jerks elected Casey and Holden aren’t having town halls.
Eyvonne on August 14, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Presbyterians?….naw,they’re pretty liberal too.
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Real experience being so important Ann, why don’t you answer my question as to whether or not you have any real experience living under a socialist health care system such as that you advocate? Coward.
DarkCurrent on August 14, 2009 at 3:35 PM
That was an amazing meeting
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 3:36 PM
An admirable feat, congratulations….now, the big question….because of anyone else’s lousy job of picking a man of integrity, why should my tax dollars go to supporting that person or her decision to end a beating heart?
fbcmusicman on August 14, 2009 at 3:36 PM
I’m just wondering, what ever happened to no sex before marriage?
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 3:36 PM
I would say you are being traditional (hate the word old-fashioned) :) Some women chose to work diligently at a certain age and were compelled to have a successful career. There is also the choice to not be married but yet to be a mother. If those three circumstances are not in perfect harmony, some women make the choice to give birth or adopt on their own.
sherry on August 14, 2009 at 3:37 PM
It’s the cool, hip, feminist thing to do to serve as a walking semen ashtray for random men, then spend a lifetime raising their children.
You’ve come a long way, baby.
NoDonkey on August 14, 2009 at 3:38 PM
With 9 different proposed bills, why do expect SENATOR Specter to know what is in the principal HOUSE bill?
slp on August 14, 2009 at 3:39 PM
I don’t get these idiots either. The ones in this administration or the ones who voted for this administration.
Don’t these people get that capitalism and profits pay the taxes, the employees, the 401K’s, the mutual funds the 401 ks’ are invested in. The pension plans you invest in through your employer.
Just because Rahm Emmanuel and a few others figured out how to steal 16 million from Fannie Mae doesn’t mean capitalism and profits are bad!
Indeed, kill capitalism…. kill the goose that lays the golden egg… and another great depression will result!
dhunter on August 14, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Thanks, I guess time marched right on by me.
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Darkcurrent, no, of course not. I think the entire national dialogue will change.
This is significant change.
I fully understand the pushback from conservatives and the demand to really discuss this.
I think we are seriously at a turning point. It’s worth discussion.
But whether I’m a slut? or Ann Couter is an idiot or whether Sarah P. is stupid or whether Obama has blown it?
Frankly, I think that’s for the punditry, who are called upon to churn out daily columns.
The rest of us really need to talk.
One side will lose, obviously.
But the talk, to me, is important.
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:41 PM
With 9 different proposed bills, why do expect SENATOR Specter to know what is in the principal HOUSE bill?
slp on August 14, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Uhhhh…like Dude…like…it’s his job….Dude.
kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 3:41 PM
As long as they are Wranglers, yes.
TXMomof3 on August 14, 2009 at 3:42 PM
A majority have abstained from that position.
ICBM on August 14, 2009 at 3:42 PM
More foot amputations at the Montana clown hall.
progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Checkmate!
TXUS on August 14, 2009 at 3:43 PM
A majority have abstained from that position.
ICBM on August 14, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Yeah. And embraced others. Ba dum dum.
kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 3:43 PM
An NRA member is giving it to The Precedent!
progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 3:44 PM
It’s the most amazing thing! I saw my son’s heart beating away at 6.5 weeks. At 16 weeks he was sucking his thumb and moving away when the tech poked at my belly. So much for the “clump of cells” argument!
Esmerelda on August 14, 2009 at 3:44 PM
I might add that this includes insurance company profits that probably each of us are invested in, in one way or another! Insurance is one of the most regulated industries in the marketplace today!
They spend a lot of money on actuaries to figure how to offer a product and still be competitive and generate a profit for stockholders. If government gets involved in heathcare they will strangle the Insurance Companies!
I am presently looking at the companies my family is invested in and trying to figure what percentage of their business is healthcare!
I know of that which I speak I am an agent!
dhunter on August 14, 2009 at 3:44 PM
I wonder how this effects all the US citizens living overseas who have to file a US tax form each year. Will the US govt. pay for their health care overseas or will they try to tax overseas US citizens an extra 2.5%?
albill on August 14, 2009 at 3:44 PM
An NRA member is giving it to The Precedent!
progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 3:44 PM
He’ll be ushered out.
kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 3:45 PM
I don’t know. Here’s the irony. I really was the virgin in high school.
I was the one. *haha
I can only tell you when I figured out that my girlfriends were all having sex because they bought into the notion that the guy was going to marry them?
Oh man, I was so annoyed.
I knew the guys were lying. They were, too.
I personally think I took the opportunity with birth control to simply be rebellious and rebuff that guy argument.
I was just that annoyed with the entire game.
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:45 PM
A majority have abstained from that position.
ICBM on August 14, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Yeah. And embraced others. Ba dum dum.
kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 3:43 PM
+1000 to ya both…
ladyingray on August 14, 2009 at 3:45 PM
I’m just a stupid, knuckle-dragging, tea slurping wingnut of a private citizen and I know that the House bill and the proposals from the Senate committees, as well as Obama’s rhetoric, all agree on an individual mandate. It’s one of the few things they all agree on with no equivocation.
Arlen’s not getting off that easy.
P.S. Hey Arlen, here’s a cheat sheet. Get with it.
evergreen on August 14, 2009 at 3:45 PM
It sounds to me like we need to purge the staff people who tell their bosses how to vote on certain bills. Perhaps a law forcing some accountability on them?
csdeven on August 14, 2009 at 3:45 PM
OK, kudos. You made me laugh!
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Is there really any other kind? Oh yeah, B-HO’s mom jeans and Levis. Wouldn’t be caught dead in ‘em.
TXUS on August 14, 2009 at 3:46 PM
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:45 PM
The structure of your sentences is horrible.
ladyingray on August 14, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Yep. But that’s because these morons are staticists. They don’t understand the idea of growth. That’s why they are so concerned with confiscating others’ wealth. They view the world as a totally static entity – which is why their drive against “climate change” is so aptly named.
We are headed for something far worse than the great depression. The world has never seen the implosion of the dominant fiat currency, upon which all world trade and the world financial system depends and which cannot be replaced by anything. This is very new territory. Chilling, frankly.
progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Well they are
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 3:48 PM
I have. It’s significant change for the worse. If you had half a brain and some actual experience instead of wishful thinking and utopian fantasies you’d realize it. Why don’t you go try it for a decade or so and then come back and tell us how great it’ll be?
DarkCurrent on August 14, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Ann, please. I’m almost out of bleach….I’m sorry that I pointed out that you are pro-choice, which started you blathering about your sex life, bleh.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, stop! There is not enough bleach in the world for me to get rid of all your sex posts…..ack.
HornetSting on August 14, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Specter comes from PA, and his failure to grasp the meaning of Section 401 is telling. Please, someone explain how that “in a free society…” comment of his squares with the large Amish community in his state, and elsewhere? Will they be forced to take government healthcare coverage and/or have their incomes taxed to collect the cost? If they get a pass. why? If they don’t, why not. I’d love to hear Specter answer those questions.
MikeA on August 14, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Hey, be careful what you ask for, eh?
I’m not shy.
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Oh,those were sex posts? I thought we were discussing goats.
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Some answer.
Johan Klaus on August 14, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Please no more. I wish your mom had been a nun. You’re making me nauseas!
HornetSting on August 14, 2009 at 3:53 PM
LMAO!
HornetSting on August 14, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Seriously? I was raised by an agostic, but he always encouraged church involvement. Didn’t want to influence negatively.
So I went to the Presbyterian church in my youth.
Mainly, it was about sermans and the choir. I joined the choir.
What in the world do you have against that church?
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:54 PM
My question to The Precedent would be, ‘Why are you unable to figure out the proper use of the indefinite article? Is that something that your health insurance plan will cover?’
The Precedent: “Because this is such a extraordinary crisis …”
progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Yeah, sure. *haha
If you think I buy this, you are naive.
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:56 PM
So you think it is ok for a woman to abuse her body, when she is pregnant?
Johan Klaus on August 14, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Hey, you guys really want sex posts?
I’m not sure they’d be approved.
But I do have some doozies.
If I get pre-approval, I’ll share.
:)
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:58 PM
So I went to the Presbyterian church in my youth.
Mainly, it was about sermans and the choir. I joined the choir.
What in the world do you have against that church?
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:54 PM
We have nothing against the Presbyterian Church. But judging from your stance on sanctity of life and personal morality, you must have ADD, princess.
kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Oh, sorry. I thought I was on Hot Air. How’d I end up in the teenage fantasy forum?
MikeA on August 14, 2009 at 4:00 PM
No, thanks.
DarkCurrent on August 14, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Hey HornetSting,if you run out of bleach I can recommend my therapist,Dr.Austin Nichols.
McBride on August 14, 2009 at 4:02 PM
You are too much.
HornetSting on August 14, 2009 at 4:02 PM
I didn’t think so. Frankly, quit baiting on this.
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Please send the therapist to Ann. She needs it more. :)
HornetSting on August 14, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Let me see how should I put this? NO!
fbcmusicman on August 14, 2009 at 4:03 PM
I don’t know. Here’s the irony. I really was the virgin in high school.
I was the one. *haha
I can only tell you when I figured out that my girlfriends were all having sex because they bought into the notion that the guy was going to marry them?
Oh man, I was so annoyed.
I knew the guys were lying. They were, too.
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:45 PM
So you figured out how high school guys behave in order to get sex, but you thought that political guys who make similar promises are different?
Wise up.
Some of you libs are so intellectual that you’re stupid. Not many of you, but some.
rwenger43 on August 14, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Definitely.
:)
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 4:04 PM
She’s probabaly more into California whine.
McBride on August 14, 2009 at 4:04 PM
But the same doesn’t apply for women? If she doesn’t want to be stuck with child care, just make an appointment, correct?
This “right to choose” that you support is inherently a right to choose not to be responsible for a baby. And the US govt says that’s OK. So why is it not alright for a man to choose not to be responsible for a baby?
At it’s core, abortion strips men of any real rights as far as their children go. Why? Because they have absolutely no legal say-so as regards whether or not a child is allowed to make it through a pregnancy. And since they aren’t allowed any real, legal rights over the life or death of a child, men shouldn’t be expected to carry any real responsibility for the life or death of a child.
IOW: if the right to choose life-or-death for a child is solely vested with woman, then women should be solely vested with the responsibilities that come with either choice.
rvastar on August 14, 2009 at 4:07 PM
AnninCA on August 14, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Is this Teen Beat or Cosmpolitan I can’t keep up.
Upon one thing we can all agree, this is a shovel ready proceeding.
NoDonkey on August 14, 2009 at 4:07 PM
You’re getting even more confused.
DarkCurrent on August 14, 2009 at 4:07 PM
I wonder if any of these ‘tales’ include a donkey…she does live close to Tijuana. :(
HornetSting on August 14, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Hey AnninCA when are you going to answer DarkCurrents question? I’ll remind you of what it is…
“Have you ever lived under a socialist medical system? Yes or no?
fbcmusicman on August 14, 2009 at 4:08 PM
HornetSting on August 14, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Bachelor Party w/Tim Hanks just flashed before my eyes.
kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Hey, Honey.
You’re what brought me to Hot Air!
Fellow CAers unite ;)
MeatHeadinCA on August 14, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Clerks 2…worst sequel except for the end….
HornetSting on August 14, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Don’t want to know, don’t want to consider. I think she’s just punch-drunk at this point.
DarkCurrent on August 14, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Aw hell, not another one….So, you’re into vegetables, meathead?
HornetSting on August 14, 2009 at 4:12 PM
These representatives are absolutely unbelievable. If he keeps this up, Toomey will stomp him when his re-election comes around.
austud225 on August 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Well, I liked those PETA commercials
hehe
I bet Ann could show us how to cook vegetarian ;)
MeatHeadinCA on August 14, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Anyone with common sense should be able to see that OSAMA OBAMA HUSSEIN BIN LADEN’S “Health Care” was lifted out of Adolph Hitler’s plan for the world. The problem is that the Congress Critters don’t read the crap they pile on us. Sadly this is not a new problem because Critters and Presidents have been approving crap like SHAMNESTY, NAFTA ( North American Fraud & Theft Agreement), GATT and numerous other stinking piles by BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES. Time to empty out Congress and the White House and elect only TRUE CONSERVATIVES.
hamradio on August 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM
With 9 different proposed bills, why do expect SENATOR Specter to know what is in the principal HOUSE bill?
slp on August 14, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Over the last 3 months, Republican Congressmen and Women have had 11 separate 3-hour seminars on the specifics of the proposed House bill. Contrast that with the Dems having 1 voluntary seminar coaching them on talking points. Their approach was simply to control the discussion, not get into specifics.
It may seem unreasonable to expect Sen. Specter to know the specifics of all of the various bills–even though we’re talking about the only one that has actually left committee in either house–but Specter’s goal was not supposed to be talking specifics. All he was supposed to do was sooth the masses so the President, the Salesman-in-Chief, could close the deal by telling people whatever they wanted to hear regardless of actual details.
It is the New Morality–doing something so good for everyone that if you lie to a few of them along the way it was
understandablecommendable.rwenger43 on August 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Fruit and nut.
HornetSting on August 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Slip and Slide as far as Im concerned
MeatHeadinCA on August 14, 2009 at 4:18 PM
HornetSting on August 14, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Not only that by who cares about her sex life. She is getting points from axelrod for keeping us off topic. Plus I believe that someone who talks so much about their sex life is making it up.
red131 on August 14, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Simple bottom line to all of this is that I don’t care what is in any bill, I expect,
1 No government option
2 No Government RUN health care
3 Address only specific problems, ie. tort reform, crossing state lines with insurance, addressing catastrophic health care issues, etc.
hillbilly on August 14, 2009 at 4:22 PM
True maturity and true inner peace is when one can say: “Sex?..Meh”
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 4:25 PM
no fan of Sen Spectacle here. however, the bill being discussed is primarily HR 2300. yes, i would think he would have caught on that everyone wanted to discuss this & would have at least perused the bill. and yes, he is pretty dumb.
but Pennsylvania sent Murtha back to Congress after he insulted his constituents.
gotta look at both sides.
kelley in virginia on August 14, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Oh what wailing and gnashing of teeth, when Democrats lose their majority in 2010, thus dooming Barry’s presidency.
Brokaw will cry again. Carville with a trash can over his head. Barry trying to put a smiling face on this disaster.
Democrats slinking out of the Capitol, with their heads down, fighting back tears.
Pelosi and Reid losing their gavels.
I can’t f’ing wait, it’s going to be like ’94 all over again.
NoDonkey on August 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Beg to differ. It’s knowing you never had sex with AnninCA.
TXUS on August 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM
The only thing I got out of that sentence was “piece”
ConservativeTony on August 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Incredibly, AnninCa says that Palin and Obama have the same views on abortion.
I say, AC must be high.
I live in Chicago and have known of Obama and his murderous abortion record for a long time. And yes, Obama does believe that babies who survive an abortion should be left to die in soiled utility closets – and he has the votes to prove that.
However, you don’t have to live in Chicago to know how throughly evil Obama’s positions are on the protection of innocent human life.
Below, I have done just a brief search, regarding Palin’s pro-life views. Anyone with the most basic of comprehesive abilities can see that Obama and Palin are complete opposites when it comes to the Right To Life.
Regarding her pro-life position, Sarah Palin wrote to the Alaska Right to Life Board in 2002: “[I am] pro-life as any candidate can be [and have] adamantly supported our cause since I first understood, as a child, the atrocity of abortion.”
From: http://www.godvoter.org/Sarah-Palin-pro-life.htmlam
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) — In a decision that’s sure to unite the pro-life advocates behind his campaign, presidential candidate John McCain selected pro-life champion Sarah Palin as his pick for vice president. Palin, the 44-year-old governor of Alaska, takes a strong pro-life position on both abortion and bioethics issues. From: http://www.lifenews.com/nat4231.html
That earned her praise from Alaska Right to Life, the state’s leading pro-life group. Its former president Bob Bird wrote in January that Palin has been “a pro-life stalwart every year since she entered the political scene” and said she “gave an encouraging speech for the pro-lifers in attendance at the ‘Proudly Pro-Life Banquet’” the group sponsored.
Earlier this year, Palin rejected adding debates over a partial-birth abortion ban and parental consent measure to the special legislative session. While that may have seemed like a rejection of the pro-life position, Palin said legislative leaders have given her no plan for successfully passing the bills.
While she would have preferred to see the bills put into law, she had no guarantee that spending significant amounts of taxpayer funds on the special session would result in a bill that would be sent to her desk to sign.
The bills were held up in the Senate because of pro-abortion Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Hollis French. Palin said she would be supportive “if the Senate president can show a path to success.”
Palin was disappointed “Senate President Green did not exhaust every possible option during the regular session to move the legislation.” From: http://www.lifenews.com/state3460.html
tigerlily on August 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM
LOL…I’m at a point in my life when the fun things in life are drifting from memory and the horrible things thankfully are all gone.
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM
ignorance is bliss
sandlin71 on August 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Not to be OT, but on Hannity a woman was at Boxer’s book signing and said there were protestors, and Boxer hid in her back seat of her car with a blanket covering her! I just don’t understand what they are afraid of..*wink wink..
lovingmyUSA on August 14, 2009 at 4:45 PM
I think that’s death, not maturity. You skipped a step.
DarkCurrent on August 14, 2009 at 4:48 PM
I just threw up in my mouth.
ladyingray on August 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM
AnninCA – It is a damned hard topic to talk about and get straight. I do understand the impulse to want everyone covered, wouldn’t we all love that? And bring down costs? Make it affordable? Yet we are, time and again, reminded that government is not so good at any of those three things. I am not well and have had some of the very best the government has try to find out what was going wrong with me during an NIH study I volunteered for… I felt that if one cannot participate in the fighting overseas that one must, without fail, do something to support the common man at home. Really, I urge people to do that…
Then thinking about my time in the federal government as an individual who did, indeed, have to figure out just how productive a person was and cost that out for projects and programs… the nuts and bolts of how bureaucracy works… I was dismayed to see how little of what we put in goes out in the way of productive work. I revisit that topic again and again comparing government to industry average… then I remembered that industry, itself, has one, final competitor if we run a fair market. It is hard to remember this, but the wish to get everyone covered does not start at the top. We don’t give it to government for a reason: it can’t do the things that we, as individuals, can do.
If you want low overhead, people dedicated to squeezing out excess cost and delivering services with as little added to it in cost as possible, then we, as a people, must empower that third area. It ran our health care for the poor for over a century before we unfairly subsidized industry to do it. The poor were looked after, they did not die on the streets save during the Spanish Flu and then a lot of people were doing that regardless of monetary backing. I worked in the government, I know better than to hand it something large and complex that must be tailored to each and every individual citizen’s needs.
Instead of the single payer I trust YOU to do what is right in your view. Your liberty I trust more than any government mandate in this realm. I want you to have the power to do as best you can for your fellow man and not hand that off to any government bureaucrat who will make of it, at best, a two-thirds hearted effort and at worst a one-third one. I want a true competitor to industry to keep it honest, and industry not to be favored with tax breaks. Together, each of us, if we really care for the poor, needy, the sick… we can get that done. I will not have any sick person go through what I had to go through PLUS have to jump through more government hoops. I love my fellow American and want the best for them, not to see them die of a bureaucracy. Government is not the answer. Nor is industry on its own as it must have the people pick up for those it fails to cover. We can not do that with industry supported by government as that gives it unfair advantage of you, over me and over our fellow citizens.
It is, indeed, a hard topic to get through.
ajacksonian on August 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM
True maturity and true inner peace is when one can say: “Sex?..Meh”
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 4:25 PM
I think that’s death, not maturity. You skipped a step.
DarkCurrent on August 14, 2009 at 4:48 PM
I’m with you, DC.
ladyingray on August 14, 2009 at 4:51 PM
What about the millions that will not be covered anyway? Will they be punished?
Terrye on August 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM
If any of the current bills pass, yes.
chemman on August 14, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Aw c’mon, that 2.5 % isn’t a tax. it’s a tithe…
TinMan13 on August 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Maybe he should have taken a call on his cell phone while the guy was asking the question.
darwin-t on August 14, 2009 at 6:37 PM
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