“Complete Life” with preference being given to those between the ages of 15 and 40.

Rationing which will lead to death or undue suffering.

Physicians for National Health Program say it is all about social solidarity an we need to get on board with something like NICE. Chairman of NICE says

“We have in Britain, as in most of Europe actually, a health care system based on social solidarity,” he says. “We look after each other when we’re sick. And that’s very precious to us in Britain. And I think that’s what we find so difficult about your health care system; you don’t have that.”

In the UK, NICE, the group Tom Daschle is so enamored of, sets the guidelines. NICE protocols, according to the Journal of Cancer, have 33,000 more people dying of cancer a year, than in other countries.

NICE just revised a rule, which, until then required a person to be blind in one eye before being allowed access to a drug. The drug was not a cure for blindness allthough it works on the non-blind eye.

NICE has, or is in the process of, amending its rule on the use of a pain killer used to alleviate non-specific back pain. The average number of patients getting this treatment is 70,000. NICE intends to cut this to 3000, and have suggested acupuncture as an alternative. The Doctors and their patients are not happy.

Yes. I know I am being picky. But these are the tip of the iceberg.

And you guys say I never defend her.

ROTFLMAO………. That’s gonna take at least 4 cases of Newcastles to wash the taste of saying that out of your mouth Allahpundit…

Answer: You never get a second chance to make a good first impression.

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

No need here. Unlike many Palin fans, I never thought you a RINO for not being sold on Palin. A snob, maybe,( ;D ) but not a RINO.

While I find your strange attraction to cold, managerial, plastic wonks to be a bit disturbing, if not positively perverse, I still haven’t yet written you off.

I suddenly realized that several of her examples could apply to me and my wife, even though we are only middle aged with young kids. So, we’re updating this paperwork.

SP is right. This is a desperation ploy.

Khorum on August 14, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Well said.

But to equate it with Palin’s proclamation is either idiotic or a deliberate smear. Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

You’ll be happy to know I now consider you only moderately evil: a 17% upgrade.

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

I’ve been around HA since it’s first days, and I am also a “Palinista”.

Quite frankly AP, I’ve never had a problem with your criticism of Palin. At times it rankled me a bit, but only in terms of Reagan’s 11th commandment. Otherwise, it’s important for us to look honestly at Palin’s (and any other Pol’s) positives and negatives, and I think AP has done a commendable service by doing so.

I also appreciate AP’s need to spark debate and controversy and dare I say it: hits. After all, without traffic, Hot Air is nothing.

Keep up the good work AP.

–Jason

The intent was the same, it’s good to give people control over their end of life decisions and those decision should be in writing to avoid another Schiavo situation.

You win..you win, lets not make end of life planning part of the bill!!

Advocating something is not mandating it. But then, I know what words mean.

Jim Treacher on August 14, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Thread winner. Treacher wasted no time, either. Right out of the gate.

I’ll try my hand: One was completely VOLUNTARY (hence the volunteer part) and the other was MANDATORY (hence the creepy part).

If you need more help to understand the problems with mandatory counseling look up the NICE board and see how people feel about them or look up the woman who was told by Oregon state that they would pay for her suicide but not the drugs to keep her alive.

Psych. I don’t care.

Well, like you, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

I think a shotgun is a better choice for a first time gun buyer. I suggest the Mossberg 500 Tactical. Not only is there less ammo shortage for 12ga ammo, there is all sorts of fun loads you can get
Of course, if you are like me, you tend to have more than a few…
And is an ammo supply in the low to mid 5 figure range too much?
Wolftech on August 14,

What no FRAG- 12?

…all three FRAG-12 rounds utilize a standard 3-inch 12-gauge cartridge case and propellant, which fires a fin-stabilized 19mm warhead with a MIL-SPEC 1316-compliant fuze assembly. The projectile arms after firing once it reaches 3 meters from the muzzle, and detonates on impact with the target. The FRAG-12 HE projectile, for instance, is designed to punch a one-inch diameter hole through 1/4-inch cold rolled steel plate…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqucgAIFEyM&NR=1

Glenn Beck just announced he will be in DC on 9/12.

coldwarrior on August 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM

TINGLES – UP – MY – LEG!

I’m so terrified of Obama. What if this phony pitch he is on works? It worked during the campaign. I’m very frightened.

andy85719 on August 14, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Buy a nice rifle. Or assault weapon. May I recomend the AR-15. And make sure you have about 5000 rounds.

upinak on August 14, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Yes because if Healthcare reform passes Obama is going to come get you and you need an assault weapon to shoot him with.

Oh wait maybe your going to have to protect yourself from the raging hordes of the uninsured that you might come in contact with sitting next to you in the doctors office for their swollen tonsils because now they can go there instead of the emergency room to dodge the bill.

Lord have mercy…

My bet, the way things are going it, is a matter of time before you all get so enraged you kill someone over this.

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

You had me at “Hello”.

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

Heh. AP churns out 15 posts of negative Palin polls, anonymously sourced rumors and innuendo, etc. Commenters scream.

AP sends out one positive post slamming an indefensible Palin criticism, then asks for Palinista love.

Call us when the positive posts exceed 10% of the total Palin material you’ve put out, buddy.

(Just kidding- a little.)

And is an ammo supply in the low to mid 5 figure range too much?

Is that total or per caliber?

Khorum on August 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM

You said it so much better than I did. I am not an expert on many things, but taking care of patients at the bedside. I am not some guy making preposterous claims about reimbursement.

I dont care who you are or how much money you have, I am going to take the best care of you I can. I never know whether a person has insurance, and I dont care. Thats how I want to continue to practice, not be told by someone in D.C. telling me that one of my patients can’t have this treatment because it costs too much!

Kane

‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order
5 regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect
6 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to
7 the treatment of that individual that—
8 ‘‘(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as de
9 fined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care
10 professional (as specified by the Secretary and who
11 is acting within the scope of the professional’s au
12 thority under State law in signing such an order, in
13 cluding a nurse practitioner or physician assistant)
14 and is in a form that permits it to stay with the in
15 dividual and be followed by health care professionals
16 and providers across the continuum of care;
17 ‘‘(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s
18 preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, in
19 cluding an indication of the treatment and care de
20 sired by the individual;
21 ‘‘(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized
22 within a given locality, region, or State (as identified
23 by the Secretary); and

1 ‘‘(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as
2 defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the in3
dividual.

Anybody notice who’s missing from this approval process?

“Do you want the government to tell youhow to act, eat, sleep, and DIE?”
Evidently Sarah Palin does. She supported the Death Panels.
Spathi on August 14

Seriously, your reading/comp level must be extremely low.

Palin’s Healthcare Decisions Day Proclamations asks for medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to improve public knowledge of advance directives.

Obama’s death panel WILL PAID doctors to bring the subject up.

The CONTEXT/GOAL of the subject will be cost reduction for the FEDERAL government.

Eugene Robinson (wild guess, NOT a republican) “If the government says it has to control health-care costs and then offers to pay doctors to give advice about hospice care, citizens are not delusional to conclude that the goal is to reduce end-of-life spending.”

As Charles Lane notes in the Washington Post, Section 1233 “addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones…. If it’s all about obviating suffering, emotional or physical, what’s it doing in a measure to “bend the curve” on health-care costs?”

Palin’s Healthcare Decisions Day Proclamations is not about money. Obama’s death panel is ONLY about money.

Personally my United Way donation goes to our local hospice.

This is MY choice for MY money.