Stupid: Critics go after Palin for encouraging end-of-life planning as governor
posted at 4:52 pm on August 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
And you guys say I never defend her. A proclamation from the governor, April 16, 2008:
WHEREAS, it is estimated that only about 20 percent of people in Alaska have executed an advance directive. Moreover, it is estimated that less than 50 percent of severely or terminally ill patients have an advance directive.
WHEREAS, it is likely that a significant reason for these low percentages is that there is both a lack of knowledge and considerable confusion in the public about Advance Directives.
WHEREAS, one of the principal goals of Healthcare Decisions Day is to encourage hospitals, nursing homes, assisted living facilities, continuing care retirement communities, and hospices to participate in a statewide effort to provide clear and consistent information to the public about advance directives, as well as to encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to improve public knowledge and increase the number of Alaska’s citizens with advance directives.
Etc etc etc. The difference between this and ObamaCare pushing living-will consultations for seniors in the context of cutting costs is the difference between a general public campaign asking people to consider organ donation and some government employee visiting you in the hospital after an accident to remind you that a lot of needy folks sure could use one of those kidneys. It’s all a matter of coercion, bad government incentives, and which circumstances are most likely to give rise to it. As the ‘Cuda herself explained last night:
Last year, I issued a proclamation for “Healthcare Decisions Day.” [6] The proclamation sought to increase the public’s knowledge about creating living wills and establishing powers of attorney. There was no incentive to choose one option over another. There was certainly no financial incentive for physicians to push anything. In fact, the proclamation explicitly called on medical professionals and lawyers “to volunteer their time and efforts” to provide information to the public.
Comparing the “Healthcare Decisions Day” proclamation to Section 1233 of HR 3200 is ridiculous. The two are like apples and oranges. The attempt to link the two shows how desperate the proponents of nationalized health care are to shift the debate away from the disturbing details of their bill.
‘Fraid so. If you think it’s hysterical to call the consultations Obama has in mind “death panels,” fine; the Times evidently does, even though its own archives quote The One talking explicitly about a “very difficult democratic conversation” on reducing health-care expenses by providing “independent” guidance to the sick and elderly. But to equate it with Palin’s proclamation is either idiotic or a deliberate smear. Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?










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I’m right there with you.
thomasaur on August 14, 2009 at 6:19 PM
“Do you want the government to tell youhow to act, eat, sleep, and DIE?”
Evidently Sarah Palin does. She supported the Death Panels.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 6:19 PM
No, the death panel is in mars where all the aliens reside at.
Why are you such a moron?
TimeTraveler on August 14, 2009 at 6:19 PM
I already did once. “Death Panel” refers to the board of fat, corrupt bureaucrats that will decide what care and treatment, if any, you’ll get based on factors such as cost, age, handicap, seriousness of illness etc.
darwin on August 14, 2009 at 6:20 PM
WOW.
I would love you to porve that. And not by the Health Care day either. As that was a asinine atempt at best.
upinak on August 14, 2009 at 6:20 PM
I think he said it that way on his taped show… but when I saw him live I’m pretty cure he said “Capacity”… hard tellin though… as it got pretty drunk out that night… LOL…
Romeo13 on August 14, 2009 at 6:20 PM
*yawn* And still Obama’s circling the drain…
ddrintn on August 14, 2009 at 6:20 PM
See? I done toldja!
Blueneck on August 14, 2009 at 6:21 PM
I think a shotgun is a better choice for a first time gun buyer. I suggest the Mossberg 500 Tactical. Not only is there less ammo shortage for 12ga ammo, there is all sorts of fun loads you can get
Of course, if you are like me, you tend to have more than a few…
And is an ammo supply in the low to mid 5 figure range too much?
Wolftech on August 14, 2009 at 6:21 PM
That wasn’t the ‘death panel’ part — it only touches on it.
The ‘death panel’ comes in with the panel of cost cutting experts.
Count to 10 on August 14, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Noe to be fair, that’s like asking a cat why it’s a cat. It doesn’t understand your language and couldn’t care less what your saying anyways…..
Ozprey on August 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Probably not. You’ve congratulated yourself more than enough for both of us.
Ronnie on August 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Darwin,
The supposed “Death Panels” in Obama’s bill mandated that insurers would have to reimburse doctors for consultations with patients about advance care directives, giving people the right to have such consultations once every five years if they want to. Other covered topics: pain management and hospice.
No one has yet refuted what I just said. Obama’s bill contains the bill contained the same advanced directives (living wills) as what Palin wanted the government to do.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM
“The ‘death panel’ comes in with the panel of cost cutting experts.”
Ok link please.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 6:23 PM
People on the news blog sites are now saying that Obama answered all the questions and people are going to support him now. I’m nauseous and scared.
andy85719 on August 14, 2009 at 6:23 PM
“Socialism, like the ancient political ideology from which it emanates, confuses government with society.” Bastiat http://is.gd/2gX2M
JohnJ on August 14, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Dude, you don’t get it. Obama and the Congress wants it in law. You’re entitled to your opinion, not your own facts. Please move on.
the digger on August 14, 2009 at 6:24 PM
I think the skeptic was a plant as well. I knew they were going to put a plants in there. I hate him so much.
andy85719 on August 14, 2009 at 6:25 PM
How about something more reasonable for someone starting out. They may not like shotguns. I have one, but it isn’t my favorite as I need a bigger stock on it.
My favorite is my AR-15 (yeah I can’t help it) and my Savage (or is it a stevens) 30.06 bolt action. I also like my Stevens (or is it a savage) .22 bolt action.
upinak on August 14, 2009 at 6:25 PM
One is a state government Proclamation encouraging citizens of that state to look at advanced directives.
The other is a Federal law…binding, with punitive provisions contained therein.
coldwarrior on August 14, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Please Mr. Spathi Please! We all is gonna git in heap o’ troubles if you isn’t polite!
Blueneck on August 14, 2009 at 6:25 PM
I love how these guys are getting dragged into (and losing) a policy debate by Palin’s posts on FACEBOOK. Who’s the irrelevant one now?
Also, where the hell are the other supposed contenders for 2012? This is a golden opportunity to make a strong stand against this ridiculous rush to legislate nationalized health care, yet we haven’t heard so much as a peep from them (yeah, I’m looking at you, Romney & Huckabee). There is so much voter anger about this, and these fools are either too stupid, too corrupt, or too weak to stand up with the voters against it.
vermillionsky on August 14, 2009 at 6:25 PM
THANKS! It is good to be able to come in through the front door again now and then.
MB4 on August 14, 2009 at 6:26 PM
I noticed that the most interesting rounds there could not be shipped to California or Florida.
Count to 10 on August 14, 2009 at 6:26 PM
digger,
I want a link. Show me these cost cutting death panels in the bill.
From everything I’ve seen so far, Palin was supporting the same thing as Obama.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 6:26 PM
I dig your nickname, Spathi:
How apropos.
Fear the ‘Cuda.
lansing quaker on August 14, 2009 at 6:26 PM
It sems Obama and the administration as they are running scared!
Hmmmm
upinak on August 14, 2009 at 6:27 PM
You posted Palin’s comment on this and you don’t understand what it says? I’m done explaining it to you. Read it again.
You know, if you keep commenting like this you will make yourself a prime target for cost reduction.
darwin on August 14, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Good thing I do not live in either of those locales :)
Wolftech on August 14, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Its all they have…every single one of the preachers and priests and run of the mill congregationalists of liberal/progressive ideas seem to be bitter clingers of the imaginary spirits of the left wings antiquated ideologies…all they can muster are shockingly blockheaded attempts at rationality that are pathetic at best. Just my opinion, but….daamn they’re weak.
Itchee Dryback on August 14, 2009 at 6:28 PM
they don’t ship to Alaska either.
upinak on August 14, 2009 at 6:28 PM
I’m in shock! I KNEW the power of Palin was too much to overcome. Welcome aboard!!!!
theenforser on August 14, 2009 at 6:28 PM
You’re probably wearing blackface too.
Racist
darwin on August 14, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Obama is saying that people who complain are a ruckus and that most people agree with him. Why doesn’t somebody unzip him and reveal the evil monster within.
andy85719 on August 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM
I could be wrong, but isn’t Sarah talking about some guy in Washington making life and death decisions based on actuarial tables vs freedom of individual choice?
marklmail on August 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM
that is mud pie! Remember that!
upinak on August 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM
+1000
inviolet on August 14, 2009 at 6:30 PM
That is just a shipping thing (lower 48 and all that). Besides, if you guys secede, then I will be bringing mine with me, so I can share.
Unless Texas does first :)
Wolftech on August 14, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Interesting perspective.
So Palin did not fund any of this she just encouraged doing it privately?
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Yes Spathi you’re right. Proclaiming a Health Day is the exact same thing as pushing a massive bill into law which will ensure the government kills insurance, rations medical care and has a “death panel” of bureaucrats deciding what care you get based on various factors.
It’s exactly the same thing.
Pat yourself on the back.
darwin on August 14, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Texas Legislation still hasn’t signed.
Only Alaska and Vermont can sucede right now.
upinak on August 14, 2009 at 6:32 PM
From everything I’ve seen so far, Palin was supporting the same thing as Obama.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 6:26 PM
But you’re too busy typing and not ever listening so I guess just keep repeating yourself….
Ozprey on August 14, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Well, AllahPagan, it depends……….
You are here to kneel
Where prayer has been valid. And prayer is more
Than an order of words, the conscious occupation
Of the praying mind, or the sound of the voice praying
Janos Hunyadi on August 14, 2009 at 6:33 PM
It was a Proclamation !!!!!
Look it up in the damn dictionary.
darwin on August 14, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Here’s a source I think you might read…
Note you sort of…gloss over… that last little bit which is the mandated “Death Panels” part of the bill.
Skywise on August 14, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Sarah does a well enough job of explaining it, though I don’t know why you need a line for something so widely known as the fact that the bill contains provisions for a cost cutting panel.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/notes.php?id=24718773587
Count to 10 on August 14, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Ozprey,
Actually look a few posts up. We were already talking about that post.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 6:33 PM
I’m waiting for him to be scarred by Force lightning, then take to wearing black robes around.
fiatboomer on August 14, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Ummm… Ill pass on Vermont.
Alaska would be the first choice, I prefer the cold.
Wolftech on August 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM
“It was a Proclamation !!!!!
Look it up in the damn dictionary.”
I was inquiring as to whether she ever funded such things on a state level. Yes I understand the word proclamation.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM
A Proclamation, under law, is merely setting forth an idea or commemoration. A Proclamation is not Law. It is unfunded. It has no power of Law. It cannot compel behavior.
A Bill, once voted into Law and signed by the President, does have binding provisions, may have punitive provisions, is funded and puts an obligation on the citizens to follow, and an obligation from government to enforce.
coldwarrior on August 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM
I was pointing out the difference between Federal and State. A concept you have no grasp of apparently.
Ozprey on August 14, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Did you forget to NOTE it is FEDERALLY FUNDED!
*rolls eyes*
Lack of the comprehensive… a RonPaulite can’t seem to wrap their heads around anything.
upinak on August 14, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Ozprey,
Yes you were.
However if you had looked few posts before yours, you would have noticed that we were already talking about that post you were referencing. Too busy posting to read others responses?
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Except bongs.
fiatboomer on August 14, 2009 at 6:39 PM
roach clips.
upinak on August 14, 2009 at 6:39 PM
I certainly don’t speak for anyone besides myself, but all I’ve ever wanted it for you guys to give Palin a fair chance by reporting the good as well as the bad. :)
Many of Palin’s detractors on the Right have been concerned about whether or not she has ‘substance’ behind the charisma/grassroots appeal. Well, lately, she’s been doing some nice policy wonkage in her Facebook posts – complete with footnotes – so perhaps a question should be posed to those on the Right who wrote her off…
Second look at Palin?? :)
BTW, I completely agree that the trolls that came in the newest reg period are pretty substandard.
While they are easy targets, I worry about their impact on the popcorn concessions…
Kirin on August 14, 2009 at 6:40 PM
HAHAHA
Palin handily shut down that line of reasoning and provided substantiated evidence to support her argument.
The difficulty that faces everyone who tries to diminish Palin now is that she is becoming rapidly immunized to everything that has already been thrown at her so far.
The fact that she apparently didn’t resign the governorship just to fade away but instead to charge into the fray just demonstrates her resolve in the face of EXCRUCIATING public criticism at the hands of the entire “culture class”.
Every criticism that doesn’t ruin a public career serves to make it stronger. And Palin has apparently survived more vicious, personal attacks than literally any politician in living memory. In fact, you’d be hard pressed to find any American politician who has ever had to suffer the assault on his own children the way Palin has.
I’d admit I had reservations about Palin’s future, but beaten down and vulnerable as she is she CONTINUES to display an ability to drive the national discussion and even to affect policy.
If Palin can survive another gruelling year of the sort of vicious, naked media denigration that will only serve to push the American public into sympathy for her she will shine. If she fights back as doggedly and effectively as she has so far, she will be unstoppable.
Khorum on August 14, 2009 at 6:40 PM
FWIW, I don’t think you hate her but I do think you put blog traffic on such a high pedestal it may overshadow better long range political strategy. Unfortunately, the media and GOP elite are mostly negative about her, so there are more such articles to reference. That and no matter what is said about Palin, it will draw traffic.
aikidoka on August 14, 2009 at 6:41 PM
pthpht… I buy the sno caps myself…
Skywise on August 14, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Semantics…just because you were talking about it, doesn’t mean you were grasping it…
Ozprey on August 14, 2009 at 6:41 PM
and which post exactly?
Ozprey on August 14, 2009 at 6:42 PM
yeah this sounds stupid as I have no clue what a sno cap is.
So… what is a sno cap.. other then snow on a mountain.
upinak on August 14, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Another convert?
darwin on August 14, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Ozprey,
really? When why did I inquire to it…
But you were to busy posting to read other people’s responses..
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 6:43 PM
And remember Federal funding is not the same as Federal intervention…
Ozprey on August 14, 2009 at 6:44 PM
A suggestion by a political leader or President that we should take more walks, ride a bike a few times a week, eat less greasy foods is far far different from a political leader or President telling us we must take more walks, must ride a bike a few times a week, must eat less greasy foods…push through a law to that effect, and if’n you don’t comply we’ll come after you.
coldwarrior on August 14, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Strange confidence, considering Obama’s had the debate snatched from his hands by a little Facebook entry from Palin.
ddrintn on August 14, 2009 at 6:47 PM
H2O
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 6:48 PM
WHAT?! They’re only the greatest theater confection in the WORLD. (If you can find them because most theaters don’t carry them anymore)
http://www.nestleusa.com/PubOurBrands/BrandDetails.aspx?lbid=706800DC-2E58-4B5C-A9A4-94E399B0F7A1
Skywise on August 14, 2009 at 6:48 PM
As I recall from my youth, and all that political ephemera I’ve collected over the decades…that should read AuH2O.
coldwarrior on August 14, 2009 at 6:49 PM
To each their own poison. :) But, since I’ve got some serious investments in the killer orange popcorn salt market, I worry easily.
Sno-Caps is a brand of candy consisting of small pieces of semi-sweet chocolate candy covered with white nonpareils. A classic movie theatre candy.
Though I’m usually a huge chocolate fan, for watching troll-bashing festivals, I still prefer hot buttered popcorn with the killer orange salt. :)
Kirin on August 14, 2009 at 6:50 PM
I am glad also, I am old, I can’t keep up with all your doors.
Cindy Munford on August 14, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Hmmm I will have to look for that when I go see 2012.
upinak on August 14, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Might wish to look here…I bought some Abbazabas from them a while back, for a Half-Baked movie night.
coldwarrior on August 14, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Really? Please link the proposed state legislation.
Fighton03 on August 14, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Yar, Atheling
You be a wench of the worst degree!
A_Pirates_Tooth on August 14, 2009 at 6:55 PM
A suggestion by a political leader or President that we should take more walks, ride a bike a few times a week, eat less greasy foods is far far different from a political leader or President telling us we must take more walks, must ride a bike a few times a week, must eat less greasy foods…push through a law to that effect, and if’n you don’t comply we’ll come after you.
coldwarrior on August 14, 2009 at 6:47 PM
flyoverboy on August 14, 2009 at 6:56 PM
…good grief…my point is people are answering your question, but you kept repeating the question. Not that you were inquiring…
And what’s with “stealing” my line? Don’t you have some pre wrote material you could at least cut and paste in here? Or are all the things you say the opinion sourced and remarks of other people?
Ozprey on August 14, 2009 at 6:57 PM
I prefer bitter-sweet chocolate chips out of the bag, myself.
Count to 10 on August 14, 2009 at 6:58 PM
In an article I noted yesterday, Charles Lane wrote:
“Ideally, the delicate decisions about how to manage life’s end would be made in a setting that is neutral in both appearance and fact. Yes, it’s good to have a doctor’s perspective. But Section 1233 goes beyond facilitating doctor input to preferring it. Indeed, the measure would have an interested party — the government — recruit doctors to sell the elderly on living wills, hospice care and their associated providers, professions and organizations. You don’t have to be a right-wing wacko to question that approach.” [5]
I agree. Last year, I issued a proclamation for “Healthcare Decisions Day.” [6] The proclamation sought to increase the public’s knowledge about creating living wills and establishing powers of attorney. There was no incentive to choose one option over another. There was certainly no financial incentive for physicians to push anything. In fact, the proclamation explicitly called on medical professionals and lawyers “to volunteer their time and efforts” to provide information to the public.
Comparing the “Healthcare Decisions Day” proclamation to Section 1233 of HR 3200 is ridiculous. The two are like apples and oranges. The attempt to link the two shows how desperate the proponents of nationalized health care are to shift the debate away from the disturbing details of their bill.
This is for the Trolls: Eat Sh!t Spathi
Clyde5445 on August 14, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Hmmm… I suspect it might be both.
jana on August 14, 2009 at 7:05 PM
You are absolutely right. The mandate is for insurers to reimburse doctors for the consultation as a service. A patient may get this service at no cost to them every five years and the insurers must reimburse the doctor. There is not mandate for the patient and it is a total Right Wing lie and Sarah Palin is a liar and her “Death Panel” comment was just downright evil with evil intentions. She is using language and invoking her child (again) to induce fear in order to manipulate.
The dishonesty comes in even more that “Death Panels at every insurance company already ration your care, determine who gets what treatment and for how long based how much they can pay in premiums, and issue cost cutting directives for those that terminal or elderly.
And I honestly can’t WAIT for everyone to start boycotting medicare to send the point that they don’t want government meddling in their healthcare…
yeah I won’t hold my breath.
Magnus on August 14, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM
acroso, go back to Polipundit, which no one reads any more.
Please ban this fool. Every reputable conservative website has.
bw222 on August 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM
refund the medicare tax you’ve stolen from me for more than 20 yrs and I will. While you’re at it I want my Social Security money back too.
Fighton03 on August 14, 2009 at 7:14 PM
I was prepared to answer your first question, but you have moved onto another topic – the primary goal of a second rate intellect.
HR 3200 changes The Social Security Act of 1935 (42 USC chapter 7 – http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/1395x.html).
Where does the “death panel” cut costs?
Specifically in section 1233,(http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c1117ZGFxB:e513253:) the “Advance Care Planning Consultation” area, stating:
(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac or pulmonary problems; (ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting; (iii) the use of antibiotics; and (iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.”
Everyone is talking about the current cost of health care. It follows logic and our experience that we spend the majority our health care dollars in the last years of a person’s life. If a doctor, with the force of federal law, comes to a patient and pressures a patient – THIS IS WRONG.
There is a much better way, a more humane way, to deal with this situation – one-on-one decisions by the patient, the patient’s family, and the doctor. With no influence by the government. Government influence is different than proclamations from a politician.
the digger on August 14, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Magnus, why do you hate America so much? Just because you wish to surrender your liberty, in exchange for a false sense of security, does not justify you pushing it upon the rest of us.
BPD on August 14, 2009 at 7:17 PM
ok, when the mindlessness is at a new low, yes i guess a second look.
Tapper had this on twitter last nite…he thought it was a pretty insightful look into Palin’s mind….what a tool
r keller on August 14, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Nothing Spathi? Okies, moving on…….
Ozprey on August 14, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Someone should slip into HR 3200 that Death Panels are for Liberals and treatment is to be withdrawn upon the issuing of a terminal illness.
Then somewhere else in the bill Liberalism should be listed as a Terminal Illness.
Holger on August 14, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Oh Muffy, I was thinking to myself the other day that this Palin… woman seems to be such an opiate for the great unwashed that there must be some way we can use her unfathomable attraction. I think that perhaps the bumpkins in flyover country see her as somehow… attainable. Hahahaha, you see, like someone they might have a chance with at whatever dinner parties the grubby people have when they wish to imitate their betters.
Anyway, I find it perfectly outrageous that someone with such laughable credentials and scandalously incomplete education could be permitted to become the de facto head of the Grand Old Party. Yes, yes, we need them Muffy, those droll bible graspers and gun wavers, but we don’t want them, you see, and we certainly don’t want to need them. If only they could go back to their mud huts between election cycles, we wouldn’t be in this terrible state.
Imagine Muffy, if the stars misalign and all of our most finely crafted sabotage fails, we could be calling that… primative Ms. President a few years from now. It simply won’t do, I say. That would be the inmates running the asylum don’t you think? Much better to have a liberal, even if he is a Harvard man. At least then you’d know what you were dealing with, don’t you think?
Immolate on August 14, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Digger,
This link that you posted here did not work for me. this one->
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c1117ZGFxB:e513253:
However, I will discuss the quote you posted:
That’s an advance directive (a living will.) That’s not a death panel. People do that all the time. CPR normally breaks multiple ribs, and if a personal is terminally ill and there is no point to doing it so the people have a right to specify that.
Also Obama’s bill does not mandate that people receive counseling nor does it mandate that people must have a living will. The only thing that was mandated was that private insurance agencies must cover this sort of thing.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Spathi,
It isn’t Obama’s bill. The Administration has not written a health-care bill. The bill, such as it is, was written in the House and the managers of it have declared that they are removing the objectionable bits referred to as the “death panel” bits. They aren’t doing this to shut Palin up. She won’t shut up no matter what they do because no bill is by definition better than any bill they might potentially bother to support. They are doing it because too many of the squishy Democrats have looked at the part referenced by Palin and said “deal breaker”.
The Dems would like nothing better than to pass the bill in Palin’s face and laugh at her. I’d feel the same if the positions were reversed. But some provisions survive only if they are shielded from daylight and this is one of them. Happily, there are many, many more.
Immolate on August 14, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 7:26 PM
I REPEAT:
Everyone is talking about the current cost of health care. It follows logic and our experience that we spend the majority our health care dollars in the last years of a person’s life. If a doctor, with the force of federal law, comes to a patient and pressures a patient – THIS IS WRONG.
There is a much better way, a more humane way, to deal with this situation – one-on-one decisions by the patient, the patient’s family, and the doctor. With no influence by the government. Government influence is different than proclamations from a politician.
the digger on August 14, 2009 at 7:39 PM
The moment you can stick up for/post positive things about Palin without having to preface it with:
then, sure!
(But I liked ya anyway, so it’s moot)
DrAllecon on August 14, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Allah you are the (beta)man!!!! Kudos from this cultist.
chief on August 14, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Are you deliberately being obtuse, or are you really that stupid! A living will is nothing like a death panel.
I am a critical care nurse, and I deal with living wills every day. I have one, and encourage eveyone to get one. A living will has a lot to do with death, but it has to do with what YOUR choices are, not with what the goverment wants you to do. It’s not about saving money, its about quality of life, and keeping people alive, in certain circumstances, against their will.
Sheesh! Gotta agree on the new crop of trolls…
Kane
Kanelin on August 14, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Kanelin on August 14, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Spot on. Please see my commentary: the digger on August 14, 2009 at 7:15 PM
the digger on August 14, 2009 at 7:50 PM
I sense some cracks in the almighty Fortress of Skeptitude?
Slight as they may be now, the widening is inevitable.
Sarah will get you too, my pretty! Muhahahaha!!!
Brian1972 on August 14, 2009 at 7:52 PM
You make my point. That is what Mrs. Palin was encouraging, Not a discussion with the patient every five years regarding end of life decisions. Coupled with the cost saving provisions included in that part of the bill, read the math!
I have known very few physicians that deal well with death, that is not why they are in this business. Encouraging them to do so through payment is disingenuous at best. As are your arguments.
Kane
Kanelin on August 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM
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