Stupid: Critics go after Palin for encouraging end-of-life planning as governor

posted at 4:52 pm on August 14, 2009 by Allahpundit

And you guys say I never defend her. A proclamation from the governor, April 16, 2008:

WHEREAS, it is estimated that only about 20 percent of people in Alaska have executed an advance directive. Moreover, it is estimated that less than 50 percent of severely or terminally ill patients have an advance directive.

WHEREAS, it is likely that a significant reason for these low percentages is that there is both a lack of knowledge and considerable confusion in the public about Advance Directives.

WHEREAS, one of the principal goals of Healthcare Decisions Day is to encourage hospitals, nursing homes, assisted living facilities, continuing care retirement communities, and hospices to participate in a statewide effort to provide clear and consistent information to the public about advance directives, as well as to encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to improve public knowledge and increase the number of Alaska’s citizens with advance directives.

Etc etc etc. The difference between this and ObamaCare pushing living-will consultations for seniors in the context of cutting costs is the difference between a general public campaign asking people to consider organ donation and some government employee visiting you in the hospital after an accident to remind you that a lot of needy folks sure could use one of those kidneys. It’s all a matter of coercion, bad government incentives, and which circumstances are most likely to give rise to it. As the ‘Cuda herself explained last night:

Last year, I issued a proclamation for “Healthcare Decisions Day.” [6] The proclamation sought to increase the public’s knowledge about creating living wills and establishing powers of attorney. There was no incentive to choose one option over another. There was certainly no financial incentive for physicians to push anything. In fact, the proclamation explicitly called on medical professionals and lawyers “to volunteer their time and efforts” to provide information to the public.

Comparing the “Healthcare Decisions Day” proclamation to Section 1233 of HR 3200 is ridiculous. The two are like apples and oranges. The attempt to link the two shows how desperate the proponents of nationalized health care are to shift the debate away from the disturbing details of their bill.

‘Fraid so. If you think it’s hysterical to call the consultations Obama has in mind “death panels,” fine; the Times evidently does, even though its own archives quote The One talking explicitly about a “very difficult democratic conversation” on reducing health-care expenses by providing “independent” guidance to the sick and elderly. But to equate it with Palin’s proclamation is either idiotic or a deliberate smear. Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

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She was for it before she was against.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

Clearly you don’t understand the nature of the Palinistas…

Upstater85 on August 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

Even if Meggie Mac doesn’t love you, everyone here does!

lorien1973 on August 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Apples and oranges…’nuf said.

d1carter on August 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Weak.

Fletch54 on August 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Advocating something is not mandating it. But then, I know what words mean.

Jim Treacher on August 14, 2009 at 4:55 PM

But to equate it with Palin’s proclamation is either idiotic or a deliberate smear.

both

cmsinaz on August 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM

It’s all Sarah’s fault of course.

Firebird on August 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Spathi both didn’t bother to read the post -and- suggested yesterday that she nefariously deleted it a website that she no longer has access to.

lorien1973 on August 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Apples and oranges…’nuf said.

d1carter on August 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM

More like…

Apples and … Handgrenades?

Romeo13 on August 14, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Even if Meggie Mac doesn’t love you, everyone here does!

lorien1973 on August 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM

…Well, I don’t know about everyone. Have you seen that commenter using the moniker McWhalinIZfaghag4evah?

Upstater85 on August 14, 2009 at 4:57 PM

She already addressed this on her Facebook page last night. It’s not the same thing, and people who keep trying to make it the same thing are ignorant.

KanakaConservative on August 14, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Why did she remove her old positions in the first place?

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Wow!! I haven’t seen a stretch like that since, “Stretch Armstrong” was the Christmas toy of choice.

PappaMac on August 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

As a middle-of-the-roader on Palin, I must admit she has acquitted herself rather well on this whole debate.

She used hyperbole to get public attention, then hit one out of the park with smart, written responses to criticism. And she got a victory of substance, too; the bill has been altered to reflect her concerns. Go Sarah!

This smear is stupid for exactly the reason AP mentioned: she wasn’t trying to save billions of dollars in doing this.

bcm4134 on August 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

She was for it before she was against.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Nice try troll. Now try to defend your accusation.

PackerBronco on August 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Okay repeat after me… there’s a difference between getting people to have an “exit plan” as opposed to getting people to “exit”

Skywise on August 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

She was for it before she was against.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM

…except that she’s still for it. You don’t know what “it” is, do you?

BlueCollarAstronaut on August 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Apples and … Handgrenades?

Romeo13 on August 14, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Apples or .. DEATH PANELS.

the_nile on August 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP

nothin but love for ya

cmsinaz on August 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

a weak argument, a poor comparison and absolutely does nothing to counter the juxtaposition of “end of life counseling” and “health costs control” as is being done in Obamacare.

Obama–two grannies under the bus. His typical white granny, and the other one he’s trying to pull the plug on.
Put the change in your pocket Obama, count up that money you could’ve saved on that artificial hip, champ.

ted c on August 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Errrr I should say on what date were the changes made is the more important question.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Funny how the knee-jerk liberals manage to get the first post so often. It’s almost as though they have no lives and can spend their entire day awaiting a post’s appearance, then comment without taking time for either reading or thinking about the subject at hand.

calbear on August 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Nice try troll. Now try to defend your accusation.

PackerBronco on August 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Hahaha

You’re better off ignoring it.

Upstater85 on August 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

I don’t recall taking a first look. I don’t care how you feel about Palin, unless you start misrepresenting her views. But then I’d care if you did that to Obama, too. I don’t think you’d ever intentionally misrepresent anyone, though, which is one reason why I enjoy Hotair.

Regardless, I’m a big fan of Palin.

Daggett on August 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

You can redeem yourself when she’s the GOP nominee in 3 years. :-)

Doughboy on August 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:57 PM

You mean, why did she delete pages from a website that she doesn’t have access to, since she’s no longer governor?

lorien1973 on August 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

She was for it before she was against.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM

SPATHI —momma is still callin you

flyoverboy on August 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?
Clearly you don’t understand the nature of the Palinistas…

Upstater85 on August 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Exaclty. There is no second chance…er, look.

ladyingray on August 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

Your anonymous dude. I have not even looked at you for the first time.

WashJeff on August 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Why did she remove her old positions in the first place?

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:57 PM

This new batch of libbos is so insipid. I think I shall call them “Poketrolls.”

fiatboomer on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Caribou Barbie will never be president. “Palinistas” are complete morons.

hottieinthehouse on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

Am I a poseur because I’ve always liked both of you?

Palin/AllahPundit ’12 ?

BlueCollarAstronaut on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

I think palinistas should definitely be showing Allah some lurve for this one…

AUINSC on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

It’s like comparing a competent former governor to a racist, hapless community agitator. Hey…waaaaait a minute…

SouthernGent on August 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM

What was the date when the website was changed?

I think that would answer at least some of the allegations that she changed her website in response to the realizing she used to support the death panels.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM

OK, so now she was for it before she was against it? Ya right, so now she is just another regular, everyday, run-of-the-mill politician?

They can’t have it both ways.

AP: You have my vote!

singlemalt_18 on August 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Spathi?

The new crop is sent out armed with Nerf guns and plastic swords….doesn’t seem fair.

Bishop on August 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

There is a….. God. And he can perform miracles.

Hog Wild on August 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM

You tell us. You are the one claiming that she nefariously deleted something from a site she can’t access. Something that doesn’t undermine her credibility but instead undermines the opponents’ credibility on the matter by exposing their hypocrisy on the issue.

lorien1973 on August 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Difference between Planned Parenthood, and planning for parenthood.
Same words…different meaning…

right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM

They are really reaching now.

HornetSting on August 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM

She has got them on edge about “death panels” from Facebook. Well played!

mwbri on August 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Errrr I should say on what date were the changes made is the more important question.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

All of her memos were taken down the day power transferred to Parnell.

BPD on August 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM

singlemalt_18 on August 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Reading comprehension on the current class of trolls is very low.

lorien1973 on August 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

Yah right. A secret blogger on the island of Manhattan who I’ve never seen and you want me to take a ‘second’ look.

You know how many beta-males there are on Manhattan? Probably 2 million or more.

Thanks for the post, but hey, that is his job.

This wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that the Cuda is the ONLY GOP national figure who is going after this lousy bill and in effect gradually taking over the leadership of the opposition.

Sapwolf on August 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

Can we get a peak first?

txag92 on August 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Caribou Barbie will never be president. “Palinistas” are complete morons.
hottieinthehouse on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

This one has the suction cup arrows.

Bishop on August 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Bishop on August 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM

yeah, they are getting mauled…it’s ugly, even seeing it happen to your enemies…they were sent over the top with walking sticks.

AUINSC on August 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM

This comment paid for by The George Soros Committee to Enslave America, Obama Servicers and Knee pad Testers Union 869, and the Moron Employment Coalition.

Wolftech on August 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Regarding this new batch of Trolls: I’m firmly convinced Axelrod has lowered the hourly pay rate.

kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM

What did you leave behind / donate after your ‘procedure’ today? If you’re like me you donated your black, black, conservative/libertarian heart – we get by just fine without ‘em.

juanito on August 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM

You made an accusation without knowing the facts….gee, never seen that from a liberal before…classic liberal playbook, just make an accusation, and worry about the facts later.
This is why we don’t won’t liberals to become conservatives…you’re too stupid to be a conservative.

right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Caribou Barbie will never be president. “Palinistas” are complete morons.

hottieinthehouse on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

You forgot to say… “cuz I have the authoritah!”

Upstater85 on August 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Hhhmmmmmmm…….

……… Providing education and knowledge vs denying treatment.

” But to equate it with Palin’s proclamation is either idiotic or a deliberate smear.”

I would have to go with “both” as well………..

Seven Percent Solution on August 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Caribou Barbie will never be president. “Palinistas” are complete morons.
hottieinthehouse on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

So you agree with her, just say she can’t be president.

I agree. She can’t. But she’s doing a good job anyways.

She’ll thank you for the support.

lorien1973 on August 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Attack the truth-teller. Perfect.

KanakaConservative on August 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Allah is a professional, not a child.

To imply that we need to take a second look at him implies that he does things merely for approval as opposed to professionalism.

I’d be pissed off at that last sentence if I were him.

Sapwolf on August 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Looks like Allahpundit’s beta heart is growing larger for the ‘Cuda?

Allah clearly pointed out the difference and defended Sarah on Twitter against Tapper. So kudos to Allah!

cubachi on August 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM

…as opposed to getting people to “exit”

Skywise

Oh, BRILLIANT!

tree hugging sister on August 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Palin: Let us know what we should do if you’re terminally ill.

Obama: If it costs too much to keep you alive, we will terminate you!

BIG difference!

Steve Z on August 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Caribou Barbie will never be president. “Palinistas” are complete morons.
hottieinthehouse on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

YOU SHALL NEVER HAVE THE NECRONOMICON!

fiatboomer on August 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM

kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM

This is by far the weakest group of trolls…disappointing.

right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM

hottieinthehouse on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

This comment paid for by The George Soros Committee to Enslave America, Obama Servicers and Knee pad Testers Union 869, and the Moron Employment Coalition.

Wolftech on August 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM

She was for it commonsense, innocuous proclamations before she was against death panels that pay doctors to intiate EOL conversations that generate untold paperwork requirements monitored by fat-ass federal employees in DC.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM

FIFY.

BuckeyeSam on August 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Regarding this new batch of Trolls: I’m firmly convinced Axelrod has lowered the hourly pay rate.

kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Heck, some of them are probably volunteering their own time and mother’s basement.

Upstater85 on August 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Sarah who? Lets shine the light on ObamaCare no contradictions in his positions.LOL. Sarah is a commentator for now. Bambi is President for now.

Sanmon on August 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Here is a comparison: Obama is like the ingenue who always compels her boyfriend to produce a valid condom before she will have intercourse with him while Sarah’s pronouncement is like the girl who warns her boyfriend that it’s up to him if he wants to become a father.

technopeasant on August 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Caribou Barbie will never be president. “Palinistas” are complete morons.

hottieinthehouse on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

This is so stupid, I had to post it again…I think I may post this on every blog where Sarah is mentioned…just to help you out.

right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Bwahahahahahaha!

Man their arguments are weak. If I were Sarah I wouldn’t even respond to this – they’re just trying to break her stride because she pwnd the hell out of Obama with those Death Panels – and is on the attack again today.

Silly Libbies – this woman don’t stop … she’s your worst nightmare.

Check the polls again in the morning for another lesson in gravity. That’s your problem right now – gravity. Better get your parachutes ready! I’ve heard the landing’s hell!

HondaV65 on August 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Sarah Palin: End-of-life consultations are awesome as long as you can afford it. If not, and the government pays for it, it’s downright evil!

At best, this is some serious hyperbole.

As we all know, this was never mandatory. If Palin was interested in the substance rather than the demagoguery, she could have posted a clear-headed message asking for incentives to doctors to be removed. Instead, she went all “death panel” and “downright evil”.

This was a political ploy designed to prevent any healthcare legislation from passing. Even if they take out the end-of-life provisions, Palin will find some other reason to oppose this. It’s in her best interest to oppose it, so this is not surprising.

orange on August 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Caribou Barbie will never be president. “Palinistas” are complete morons.

hottieinthehouse on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

No sweat. She’s doing a pretty good job of undermining your boy. But thanks for weighing in.

BuckeyeSam on August 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

“…to participate in a statewide effort

Um, I saw nothing in there about Federal govt. intervention…so what’s the point here again???

Ozprey on August 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Regarding this new batch of Trolls: I’m firmly convinced Axelrod has lowered the hourly pay rate.

kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM

It’s like IJN naval aviation during the battle of Leyte Gulf. All the good trolls have already been shot down, so they put the chumps in the air.

fiatboomer on August 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

This new batch of libbos is so insipid. I think I shall call them “Poketrolls.”

fiatboomer on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

How about “Erkel-bots” ???

Jerome Horwitz on August 14, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Hey ALLA i have never seen someone so scared has you of a strong women.

thmcbb on August 14, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

Not a Palinista, but 3rd look here. I’m in, as long as I don’t read Twitter.

Spirit of 1776 on August 14, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Caribou Barbie will never be president. “Palinistas” are complete morons.

hottieinthehouse on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Caribou Barbie is kickin the s**t out of your Marxist hero if you haven’t noticed ‘sweety’.

Sapwolf on August 14, 2009 at 5:11 PM

… if you need me, I’ll be at the bar adjusting to my new role as Hot Air’s “true conservative.”

I told you that you would be assimilated. Welcome to the club, AP!

Political Junkie on August 14, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?

Am I a poseur because I’ve always liked both of you?

Palin/AllahPundit ‘12 ?

BlueCollarAstronaut on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

The only Vice President to be Vice President behind a computer screen :D

FontanaConservative on August 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM

orange on August 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Of course it’s not, slick.

Obama never ever suggested to a 99 year old woman that instead of a pace maker which extended her life 7+ years, government might make her just take painkillers instead – since that was more cost effective.

He would never ever suggest such a thing.

lorien1973 on August 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Regarding this new batch of Trolls: I’m firmly convinced Axelrod has lowered the hourly pay rate.

kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM

“3 million trolls created or saved.”

Fallen Sparrow on August 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM

AP, a fair approach is all that is required. Adore you most everything else, isn’t that enough?

Carolina Kat on August 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM

This was a political ploy designed to prevent any healthcare legislation from passing. Even if they take out the end-of-life provisions, Palin will find some other reason to oppose this. It’s in her best interest to oppose it, so this is not surprising.

orange on August 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

And this from a woman who was washed out of politics.

She’s just beatin Obama on this, and I might just throw in the towel at some point.

Oh the humanity.

Sapwolf on August 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Caribou Barbie will never be president. “Palinistas” are complete morons.

hottieinthehouse on August 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

This is so stupid, I had to post it again…I think I may post this on every blog where Sarah is mentioned…just to help you out.

right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 5:09 PM

There I made sure your post was on all the Palin threads…that will help you out.
Any more great quotes? More then happy to let everyone see how brilliant you are…a shining example of liberal intellect.

right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM

She was for it before she was against.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM

“I’m John Kerry reporting for Doodad!”

alliebobbitt on August 14, 2009 at 5:14 PM

“3 million trolls created or saved.”

Fallen Sparrow on August 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Haha

Definitely up for nomination as QOTD

Upstater85 on August 14, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Funny how the knee-jerk liberals manage to get the first post so often. It’s almost as though they have no lives and can spend their entire day awaiting a post’s appearance, then comment without taking time for either reading or thinking about the subject at hand.

calbear on August 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

When Obama is “paying your mortgage and making your car payment” you’re free to spend all day on the computer.

jimmy2shoes on August 14, 2009 at 5:14 PM

BTW, I note that the leftist websites have all started, today, using this phrase “advanced directives” when referring to the death planning portion of the bill (that the spin last week was didn’t exist in the bill but was cut from the bill Wednesday… but I digress)

I suspect this is a coordinated spin effort to confuse the issue so they can say “Hey, we’re just doin’ what Palin was doin’… talking to people about “advanced directives” with their care.”

It’s NOT the same thing at all.

Skywise on August 14, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Hottieinthehouse, is now our dummyinthehouse…

right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 5:15 PM

This was a political ploy designed to prevent any healthcare legislation from passing. Even if they take out the end-of-life provisions, Palin will find some other reason to oppose this. It’s in her best interest to oppose it, so this is not surprising.

orange on August 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Orange you glad we have more trolls?

KanakaConservative on August 14, 2009 at 5:15 PM

For the left this is re-reinforcing defeat on an issue.

rob verdi on August 14, 2009 at 5:15 PM

“3 million trolls created or saved.”

Fallen Sparrow on August 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Heheh…but mostly created…

Ozprey on August 14, 2009 at 5:15 PM

This was a political ploy designed to prevent any healthcare legislation from passing. Even if they take out the end-of-life provisions, Palin will find some other reason to oppose this. It’s in her best interest to oppose it, so this is not surprising.

orange on August 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

It’s also in my, my children’s, and my unconceived grandchildren’s best interest for her to oppose it.

jimmy2shoes on August 14, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Spathi both didn’t bother to read the post -and- suggested yesterday that she nefariously deleted it a website that she no longer has access to.

lorien1973 on August 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Reading stuff is for Congresscritters!

alliebobbitt on August 14, 2009 at 5:16 PM

AP after seeing the post surgery photos, abs and gluts not withstanding, all is forgiven.

TendStl on August 14, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Allahpundit

Allahmartyr

You know we love you.

portlandon on August 14, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Heheh…but mostly created…

Ozprey on August 14, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Are trolls considered a human life form?

If so, this would be the first time the left hasn’t lobbied to terminate a human life form.

Upstater85 on August 14, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Funny how the knee-jerk liberals manage to get the first post so often. It’s almost as though they have no lives and can spend their entire day awaiting a post’s appearance, then comment without taking time for either reading or thinking about the subject at hand.

calbear on August 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

They are on the right blog for frequent 500-comment Palin threads. You just have to hang around during Ed’s posts until AP gets out of bed.

fiatboomer on August 14, 2009 at 5:17 PM

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