Stupid: Critics go after Palin for encouraging end-of-life planning as governor
posted at 4:52 pm on August 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
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And you guys say I never defend her. A proclamation from the governor, April 16, 2008:
WHEREAS, it is estimated that only about 20 percent of people in Alaska have executed an advance directive. Moreover, it is estimated that less than 50 percent of severely or terminally ill patients have an advance directive.
WHEREAS, it is likely that a significant reason for these low percentages is that there is both a lack of knowledge and considerable confusion in the public about Advance Directives.
WHEREAS, one of the principal goals of Healthcare Decisions Day is to encourage hospitals, nursing homes, assisted living facilities, continuing care retirement communities, and hospices to participate in a statewide effort to provide clear and consistent information to the public about advance directives, as well as to encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to improve public knowledge and increase the number of Alaska’s citizens with advance directives.
Etc etc etc. The difference between this and ObamaCare pushing living-will consultations for seniors in the context of cutting costs is the difference between a general public campaign asking people to consider organ donation and some government employee visiting you in the hospital after an accident to remind you that a lot of needy folks sure could use one of those kidneys. It’s all a matter of coercion, bad government incentives, and which circumstances are most likely to give rise to it. As the ‘Cuda herself explained last night:
Last year, I issued a proclamation for “Healthcare Decisions Day.” [6] The proclamation sought to increase the public’s knowledge about creating living wills and establishing powers of attorney. There was no incentive to choose one option over another. There was certainly no financial incentive for physicians to push anything. In fact, the proclamation explicitly called on medical professionals and lawyers “to volunteer their time and efforts” to provide information to the public.
Comparing the “Healthcare Decisions Day” proclamation to Section 1233 of HR 3200 is ridiculous. The two are like apples and oranges. The attempt to link the two shows how desperate the proponents of nationalized health care are to shift the debate away from the disturbing details of their bill.
‘Fraid so. If you think it’s hysterical to call the consultations Obama has in mind “death panels,” fine; the Times evidently does, even though its own archives quote The One talking explicitly about a “very difficult democratic conversation” on reducing health-care expenses by providing “independent” guidance to the sick and elderly. But to equate it with Palin’s proclamation is either idiotic or a deliberate smear. Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?
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How about the innocent guy who was realeased named Biyam who underwent one of these torture tours where he went from country to country. Luckily he wasn’t tortured to DEATH like we have done to 100+ people though.
British torture victim Binyam Mohamed to be released from Guantánamo
18.1.09
They cut off my clothes with some kind of doctor’s scalpel. I was naked. I tried to put on a brave face. But maybe I was going to be raped. Maybe they’d electrocute me. Maybe castrate me.
They took the scalpel to my right chest. It was only a small cut. Maybe an inch. At first I just screamed … I was just shocked, I wasn’t expecting … Then they cut my left chest. This time I didn’t want to scream because I knew it was coming.
One of them took my penis in his hand and began to make cuts. He did it once, and they stood still for maybe a minute, watching my reaction. I was in agony. They must have done this 20 to 30 times, in maybe two hours. There was blood all over. “I told you I was going to teach you who’s the man,” [one] eventually said.
They cut all over my private parts. One of them said it would be better just to cut it off, as I would only breed terrorists.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Unfortunately we’re talking about the same Obama who treats SELF-INTEREST and PROFIT in the form of government reimbursement schedules as the primary motivators for individuals working in healthcare right now.
We’re talking about the same Obama who was been called out not once but twice by the AMA for falsely and unfairly misrepresenting the motives of Doctors and Nurses and other caregivers who perform tonsillectomies and diabetic amputations.
We’re talking about the same Obama who uses REIMBURSEMENT allocation as the primary means to get his desired behavior out of the providers and insurance carriers.
Were you somehow under the impression that Obama would simply “FORCE” doctors to “counsel” their terminal patients on the cost-benefit analysis of their continued existence? Did you somehow think he was gonna impose FINES on them or something?
No. Obama’s plan to “offer reimbursement” to caregivers for advising end-of-life Americans and their distressed families on the impact their continued time together would have on the “greater good” of society is nothing less than a mandate.
Khorum on August 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM
I’m curious about how a bill that creates an entire new agency in the executive branch is going to reduce government costs.
Fighton03 on August 14, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Baby steps…baby steps.
Allah will come around. He is evolving.
You betcha.
Geochelone on August 14, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Seriously, your reading/comp level must be extremely low.
Palin’s Healthcare Decisions Day Proclamations asks for medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to improve public knowledge of advance directives.
Obama’s death panel WILL PAID doctors to bring the subject up.
The CONTEXT/GOAL of the subject will be cost reduction for the FEDERAL government.
Eugene Robinson (wild guess, NOT a republican) “If the government says it has to control health-care costs and then offers to pay doctors to give advice about hospice care, citizens are not delusional to conclude that the goal is to reduce end-of-life spending.”
As Charles Lane notes in the Washington Post, Section 1233 “addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones…. If it’s all about obviating suffering, emotional or physical, what’s it doing in a measure to “bend the curve” on health-care costs?”
Palin’s Healthcare Decisions Day Proclamations is not about money. Obama’s death panel is ONLY about money.
Personally my United Way donation goes to our local hospice.
This is MY choice for MY money.
DSchoen on August 14, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Anybody notice who’s missing from this approval process?
Fighton03 on August 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM
You said it so much better than I did. I am not an expert on many things, but taking care of patients at the bedside. I am not some guy making preposterous claims about reimbursement.
I dont care who you are or how much money you have, I am going to take the best care of you I can. I never know whether a person has insurance, and I dont care. Thats how I want to continue to practice, not be told by someone in D.C. telling me that one of my patients can’t have this treatment because it costs too much!
Kane
Kanelin on August 14, 2009 at 8:06 PM
If you guys haven’t read her whole Facebook post I recommend that you do because it’s a great, concise and devastating to Ezekiel Emmanuel and Obama…
CCRWM on August 14, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Is that total or per caliber?
tballard on August 14, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Heh. AP churns out 15 posts of negative Palin polls, anonymously sourced rumors and innuendo, etc. Commenters scream.
AP sends out one positive post slamming an indefensible Palin criticism, then asks for Palinista love.
Call us when the positive posts exceed 10% of the total Palin material you’ve put out, buddy.
(Just kidding- a little.)
cs89 on August 14, 2009 at 9:06 PM
You had me at “Hello”.
bluelightbrigade on August 14, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Yes because if Healthcare reform passes Obama is going to come get you and you need an assault weapon to shoot him with.
Oh wait maybe your going to have to protect yourself from the raging hordes of the uninsured that you might come in contact with sitting next to you in the doctors office for their swollen tonsils because now they can go there instead of the emergency room to dodge the bill.
Lord have mercy…
My bet, the way things are going it, is a matter of time before you all get so enraged you kill someone over this.
Magnus on August 14, 2009 at 9:15 PM
TINGLES – UP – MY – LEG!
Laura in Maryland on August 14, 2009 at 9:23 PM
What no FRAG- 12?
…all three FRAG-12 rounds utilize a standard 3-inch 12-gauge cartridge case and propellant, which fires a fin-stabilized 19mm warhead with a MIL-SPEC 1316-compliant fuze assembly. The projectile arms after firing once it reaches 3 meters from the muzzle, and detonates on impact with the target. The FRAG-12 HE projectile, for instance, is designed to punch a one-inch diameter hole through 1/4-inch cold rolled steel plate…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqucgAIFEyM&NR=1
DSchoen on August 14, 2009 at 9:35 PM
No one has yet refuted what I just said. Obama’s bill contains the bill contained the same advanced directives (living wills) as what Palin wanted the government to do.
Spathi on August 14
Well, like you, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
DSchoen on August 14, 2009 at 9:44 PM
NO!!
Psych. I don’t care.
xax on August 14, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Wow. For the trolls on the board, AP explained it and somehow you still don’t get it. You guys lack comprehension skills.
I’ll try my hand: One was completely VOLUNTARY (hence the volunteer part) and the other was MANDATORY (hence the creepy part).
If you need more help to understand the problems with mandatory counseling look up the NICE board and see how people feel about them or look up the woman who was told by Oregon state that they would pay for her suicide but not the drugs to keep her alive.
xax on August 14, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Thread winner. Treacher wasted no time, either. Right out of the gate.
alliebobbitt on August 14, 2009 at 10:30 PM
At the end of the day, both were voluntary for the patient. The only mandate was that it be paid for if the patient wanted to take advantage of the new benefit.
The intent was the same, it’s good to give people control over their end of life decisions and those decision should be in writing to avoid another Schiavo situation.
You win..you win, lets not make end of life planning part of the bill!!
NextGen on August 14, 2009 at 10:53 PM
I’ve been around HA since it’s first days, and I am also a “Palinista”.
Quite frankly AP, I’ve never had a problem with your criticism of Palin. At times it rankled me a bit, but only in terms of Reagan’s 11th commandment. Otherwise, it’s important for us to look honestly at Palin’s (and any other Pol’s) positives and negatives, and I think AP has done a commendable service by doing so.
I also appreciate AP’s need to spark debate and controversy and dare I say it: hits. After all, without traffic, Hot Air is nothing.
Keep up the good work AP.
–Jason
Jason Coleman on August 14, 2009 at 11:05 PM
You’ll be happy to know I now consider you only moderately evil: a 17% upgrade.
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on August 14, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Well said.
Geochelone on August 14, 2009 at 11:40 PM
I just recently took over my parent’s finances as I arranged for their move into a retirement community. The eldercare specialist had me update all kinds of paperwork including the living wills, medical power of attorney, durable power, etc. She explained the need for updates and changes by recounting a variety of horror stories that she had witnessed.
I suddenly realized that several of her examples could apply to me and my wife, even though we are only middle aged with young kids. So, we’re updating this paperwork.
SP is right. This is a desperation ploy.
Cricket624 on August 14, 2009 at 11:52 PM
‘Obamacare:’ What does the Constitution have to say?
‘This is an issue federal government shouldn’t be touching at all’
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
http://www.wnd.com
Because the power to regulate each citizen’s medical care is not included among enumerated powers, he (Michael Boldin) said, the federal government does not have the authority to impose a single-payer system.
“You have to look to the Constitution and ask, ‘Is health care listed?’” Boldin said. “No. It’s not.” Michael Boldin, founder of The Tenth Amendment Center
Recently, the issue of nullification re-emerged when nearly two dozen states mounted a resistance to the 2005 Real ID Act. Maine and Utah led the way by passing resolutions to refuse incorporation of federal security features into state driver’s licenses and identification cards. After meeting fierce state resistance to its plans, the federal government delayed implementation twice and later announced it would “repeal and replace” the controversial law.
Lawmakers in as many as 10 states are considering or seeking to propose bills and resolutions to nullify federal health care in their states.
“If these (town hall protests) were all focused on state governments, we would probably see 10 or 20 nullification bills in states already,” he (Boldin) said. “And the health care program would be dead in the water.”
‘Equal Protection Clause’ of 14th Amendment
The 14th Amendment states, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
All of the above is from the World Net Daily story.
If Equal Protection were considered, how could congress have an alternate health plan, social security plan, etc. We need to wake up and take our government back.
mydogwonthunt on August 15, 2009 at 2:47 AM
No need here. Unlike many Palin fans, I never thought you a RINO for not being sold on Palin. A snob, maybe,( ;D ) but not a RINO.
While I find your strange attraction to cold, managerial, plastic wonks to be a bit disturbing, if not positively perverse, I still haven’t yet written you off.
Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on August 15, 2009 at 3:11 AM
Exit question to Palinistas: Second look at AP?
Answer: You never get a second chance to make a good first impression.
SKYFOX on August 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM
ROTFLMAO………. That’s gonna take at least 4 cases of Newcastles to wash the taste of saying that out of your mouth Allahpundit…
doriangrey on August 15, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Do we all understand now that the “Death Panels” Sarah Palin was talking about had to do with rationing, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel and the “Complete Life” metrics, and not just end-of-life counseling?
JackOkie on August 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM
“Do we all understand now that the “Death Panels” Sarah Palin was talking about had to do with rationing, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel and the “Complete Life” metrics, and not just end-of-life counseling?”
“Complete Life” with preference being given to those between the ages of 15 and 40.
Rationing which will lead to death or undue suffering.
Physicians for National Health Program say it is all about social solidarity an we need to get on board with something like NICE. Chairman of NICE says
“We have in Britain, as in most of Europe actually, a health care system based on social solidarity,” he says. “We look after each other when we’re sick. And that’s very precious to us in Britain. And I think that’s what we find so difficult about your health care system; you don’t have that.”
In the UK, NICE, the group Tom Daschle is so enamored of, sets the guidelines. NICE protocols, according to the Journal of Cancer, have 33,000 more people dying of cancer a year, than in other countries.
NICE just revised a rule, which, until then required a person to be blind in one eye before being allowed access to a drug. The drug was not a cure for blindness allthough it works on the non-blind eye.
NICE has, or is in the process of, amending its rule on the use of a pain killer used to alleviate non-specific back pain. The average number of patients getting this treatment is 70,000. NICE intends to cut this to 3000, and have suggested acupuncture as an alternative. The Doctors and their patients are not happy.
Yes. I know I am being picky. But these are the tip of the iceberg.
davod on August 15, 2009 at 9:32 PM
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