Lefty boycott succeeding in getting advertisers to drop Glenn Beck
posted at 8:00 pm on August 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
No wonder. It’s a full-court press: Media Matters, MSNBC, nutroots blogs, and, as seen below, both of Comedy Central’s wonder twins are all pushing it. (Stewart’s segment doesn’t have to do with the boycott, actually, but it’s amusing enough to merit the embed.) Abandon ship:
Among the advertisers to pull spots from the popular cable talk show are Geico, owned by Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway; Procter & Gamble; Sargento Cheese; and Progressive Insurance, according to the companies and Color of Change, one group that is organizing a campaign against the program.
Geico didn’t respond to a request for comment but sent Color of Change an email saying it had “instructed its ad-buying service to redistribute its inventory of rotational spots on [Fox] to their other network programs, exclusive of the Glenn Beck program.”.
Privately held Sargento told its media buyer not to put any of its ads in Beck’s show, said a spokeswoman…
“We place advertising on a variety of programming with the goal of reaching a broad range of insurance consumers who might be interested in our products,” said a spokeswoman for Progressive. “We also seek to avoid advertising on programming that our customers or potential customers may find extremely offensive.”…
For its part, Fox News said through a spokeswoman that while some advertisers have “removed their spots from Beck,” they have just shifted to “other programs on the network, so there has been no revenue lost.”
Erick Erickson’s trying to get a counter-boycott going because “If they are successful, they will move beyond Beck to others.” A noble impulse, but is that really true? My hunch is that companies have limited patience for this sort of thing; they’ll throw a bone to an angry constituency if it’s sufficiently large and focused on one show, but the more targets the boycotters add, the greater the headaches for corporate advertisers who are looking for airtime and sensitive about not alienating other constituencies by getting too political. Even here, the great lefty victory over Beck appears only to have resulted in ads being shifted to other Fox programs. If Media Matters et al. suddenly decide they want O’Reilly and Hannity boycotted too, how many companies will oblige them knowing that it means sacrificing the biggest viewing audience in cable news?
The most depressing thing about this isn’t the fear of lefties taking down conservative broadcasters, it’s the fact that Beck is catching hell while the demagogue di tutti demagogues, a man who eagerly compares Republicans to terrorists when he isn’t busy screaming about right-wing “hate speech,” rests easily in the thought that his own advertising is secure. Exit question: Just what would Olby have to say or do to warrant a rightroots boycott of Countdown’s advertisers? He can’t sink much lower. Someone set the bar, quick!
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Really? Hum
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Don’t know what your definition of “owned” is, however BASIC CLEARLY shows who got “owned”.
DSchoen on August 16, 2009 at 5:13 AM
You know Rahm Emmanuel is watching this whole situation like a hawk………..
Cinday Blackburn on August 16, 2009 at 5:44 AM
Maybe the Messiah…………who is now “personalizing” the death of his grandmother (like no one knows what BS this all is)………maybe he’ll go on Glenn’s show (eating a Whole Foods PBJ sandwich of course) and cry a few crocodile tears for the suckers out there who still believe in this liar…
Cinday Blackburn on August 16, 2009 at 5:51 AM
Of course. I said so in my posts. That wasn’t the point under discussion.
Missy on August 16, 2009 at 6:30 AM
Maybe if the right boycotted these corporate cowards, they would end the practice of kneeling before the race hustlers. This would be an excellent cause for MM or any other right-sided blogger.
orlandocajun on August 16, 2009 at 6:56 AM
CrankyIndependent:
The Stewart clip you say? Stewart is a stand up comic who would drop his pants for a laugh. And yet I am supposed to think his views are relevant.
Terrye on August 16, 2009 at 7:06 AM
You see cranky this is the thing. Beck has done comedy too….but that is bad apparently because it shows his lack of seriousness. On the other hand when people like Stewart or Colbert flap their gums we are all supposed to yuk it up with their cool chic debonair sophisticated edgy humor and all that crap.
No one tries to ruin them, or run them off the air. No matter what they said about Bush…but when their side of the aisle gets just a teeny weeny bit of it back…they whine, they boycott, they in general act like spoiled children with an agenda.
That is the point.
Terrye on August 16, 2009 at 7:10 AM
I see Glenn’s ratings continuing to beat CNN, CNBC et al and only get better over this
Cinday Blackburn on August 16, 2009 at 7:56 AM
It’s not about Stewart’s views, its about what his collection of Glenn Beck’s statements say about Glenn Beck. Watch the clip.
People have wildly different opinions about Jon Stewart and Colbert, no one is jailed for these differing opinions. But what Beck does and what Stewart/Colbert do are two different things. Beck claims to be a “news source” Colbert and Stewart are comedy and satire.
I’ll also add that whatever Stewart has said about Bush he never went on a news talk show and said he has a deep seated hatred for black people. Can you imagine the uproar if he did?
CrankyIndependent on August 16, 2009 at 8:47 AM
The whole Janet Jackson boob incident makes me pretty unsympathetic to conservatives who get irritated when others use boycotts and whining to influence the media. What’s good for the goose.
CrankyIndependent on August 16, 2009 at 8:48 AM
Great news…. less commercials more time to get the truth out there. Keep up the good work Glenn.
workingforpigs on August 16, 2009 at 9:32 AM
CrankyIndependent:
The Boob thing? Oh please, that is so lame. Do you really think that was some conservative attack or something? That is stupid, it really is. Whereas liberals thought the whole wardrobe malfunction shtick was soooo cool.
That is so lame.
Terrye on August 16, 2009 at 9:39 AM
And crancky you could take a collection of Stewart’s statements and make him look certifiable if you wanted to, but of course you do not. Why? Well because Stewart is what passes for intellectual on the left.
If you don’t like Beck, ignore him.
Terrye on August 16, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Can’t anyone say something so glib towards Beck and his supporters when they criticize anything, “if you don’t like the President/the healthcare bill etc, ignore it.”
CrankyIndependent on August 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM
I guess we’re just going to forget that spearheading that campaign were right wing social conservative groups like Focus on the Family, 700 Club etc. Now FOF is thankfully imploding on itself, but yes that was part of the social conservative wing of the conservative movement and is no different than what Color of Change is attempting to do to Glenn Beck.
CrankyIndependent on August 16, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Of course. Your point was “tattletale!” I haven’t yet once seen you actually condemn any of the remarks made by the person reported. I regularly report inappropriate remarks, and I’ll bet a fortune you’d never pull that schoolyard crap on someone who reported a lefty troll. Guess what: we have trolls on our side, too. gun was one of them, and he didn’t need any baiting.
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 10:21 AM
MC, I have tentatively tagged CrankyIndependent as DTMH, what do you think?
thomasaur on August 16, 2009 at 10:24 AM
Quite possible. For a while, I thought ProudRINO was DeathToMediaHacks, but even PR occasionally takes up a conservative viewpoint. DTMH could never bring themselves to it. You might be on to something.
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 10:29 AM
This is jealousy plain and simple–stop the man, he’s too successful and adept at getting his point across to millions each and every day. But don’t take my word for it–look into facts if facts are your forte–#3 radio show in America, #1 show in its 5pm time slot, #1 book on the NYT’s bestseller list on both the fiction and non-fiction category in it’s debut.
We’re talking about a juggernaut personality here–yes, get over it Lefttards, he’s a juggernaut–not a second rate loser like Jon Stewart and Steve Colbert who’s one claim to fame is making jobless, zit-faced boys snacking on Hot Pockets yuk it up with their greasy TV remote in hand late at night when most working people are getting rest.
RepubChica on August 16, 2009 at 11:18 AM
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CrankyIndependent on August 16, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Publish the names of the socialist advertisers who boycott free speech and then I will boycott them.
This is still America.
bluegrass on August 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM
The names of the companies have been published throughout this massive thread: GEICO, Progressive (car insurance), Sargento Cheese and Proctor and Gamble (P&G may be a ploy facts are still out). I e-mailed all companies as their business offices were closed and/or mailboxes full. I will call all them back tomorrow morning.
I got a reply back from GEICO–the same form letter a few others have received in response back from them re this issue about staying neutral in political disagreements and so forth.
Here’s what I wrote back:
RepubChica on August 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Well, I sent an email to progressive and told them if they wanted to keep up with the boycott that was fine but, I won’t renew with them if they do.
boomer on August 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM
IT IS SO FUNNY: GEICO PANDERS TO THE UNINSURED, THE PEOPLE WHO DEPEND ON GOVERNMENT TO HELP IF SOMETHING HAPPENS.
NOW, THAT IS A GREAT BUSINESS MODEL
BUT THEN AGAIN, THEY WILL JUST ASK FOR A HANDOUT..
mooseburger on August 16, 2009 at 12:19 PM
*shrug* It seems to me that he wants to be the target. He sees it working for Rush. Copy cat strategy here.
AnninCA on August 16, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Some of John Stewart’s sponsors are, Chemistry.com, Scion automobiles, Malibu beer, Mercedes, I-phone, Fosters beer, AARP, Mirimax and Subaru.
ronnyraygun on August 16, 2009 at 12:21 PM
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Haha. The ‘necks are going to boycott that there fake news program on teh Comedy Central. That’s funny. Surely sales of Mercedes and Fosters Beer will plummet!!
simplesimon on August 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM
We should boycott the sponsors of both The Daily Show and Colbert Report(even though I think he’s funny much of the time).
Don’t do what that Erick Erickson is doing which is boycotting Beck’s now former sponsors…that just makes the left’s move more effective.
LeeSeneca on August 16, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Haha. The ‘necks are going to boycott that there fake news program on teh Comedy Central. That’s funny. Surely sales of Mercedes and Fosters Beer will plummet!!
You want to re-type that so people with functional brains can understand what the hell it is you’re trying to say. What are you six?
ronnyraygun on August 16, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Wouldn’t it be great if Mr. Beck stays on this topic , that obama is a “racist” and has a “deep-seated hatred for white people” (grandma is a “typical white woman”, let us explore that shall we?). There is enough for several shows, and I think this country has had about enough of this convoluted, hypocritical PC, “race for me, but not for thee” type. I see a ratings surge in the making.
runner on August 16, 2009 at 12:46 PM
yep
daesleeper on August 16, 2009 at 1:34 PM
The following message should be our tag lines:
General Electric Corporation The co-owner of MSNBC supports the socialization of America. It is our responsibility as Americans citizens to protect our culture and our way of life. Please join the national movement to stop GE by refusing to purchase GE products and services.
We should all adhere to it, and destroy this company.
paulsur on August 16, 2009 at 1:45 PM
She is a self admitted snitch, period end of story. GTL said things that were offensive however nobody has a right to never be offended. HA staff did their job, TAO however is not HA staff.
You want to love you some Nazi thought control that’s your business. I utterly deplore the very notion of trying to tell anyone what they are allowed to think or say. That is what TAO was doing and now it’s what you are trying to do.
The HA staff have a responsibility to maintain a civil atmosphere that will promote lively discussion and not embarrass Michelle Malkin, that is their job, not TAO or yours.
HA does not need a bunch of progressive thought Nazi’s running from thread to thread deciding what people are allowed to post or think.
doriangrey on August 16, 2009 at 2:02 PM
HA staff has made it clear they don’t monitor every single comment, and has told people on numerous occasions to report violations of the TOS. Cry “snitch” all you like, but it’s part of the responsibility of the community at this website to alert the staff to such things. I’ve done it on quite a number of occasions, and as I said to Missy, you wouldn’t be talking this way if it was a lefty troll making just as over-the-line comments as gun was.
You’re not allowed to say anything on this private property that the owners don’t want you to say. Period. Get that through your head. We’re guests.
TAO didn’t delete anything. TAO brought rule violations to their notice. If she hadn’t, those comments would have sat there, unchecked. Dare you condemn the things gun has been saying? You seem more concerned with the rules being enforced than them being broken.
Your thought process is hilarious, particularly calling others progressive while throwing a fit about rules being enforced on private property.
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Go watch Michelle speak at the RightOnline conference.
doriangrey on August 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Already did. Not sure where she railed against private property owners enforcing rules on their own property.
You know, like Ed did.
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Tell you what. You go ahead and keep reporting people, and I’ll go ahead and keep finding it extremely distasteful.
Missy on August 16, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Amazing that you find that distasteful, but don’t find jokes about the JFK assassination distasteful.
Mighty amazing, really.
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM
I did find the Kennedy joke to be over the line, and said so. Did you not read the thread?
Missy on August 16, 2009 at 3:18 PM
So you’re fine with the staff deleting distasteful comments, but only if they themselves happen upon them?
Exactly who are you to be setting the standard upon which moderation of comments should occur? Once again, on numerous occasions, both Ed and Allah have directed readers to report violations of their TOS. You appear to have an issue with people following that directive.
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM
And President Obama asked you to snitch on your fellow Americans too, get to work snitching MC…
doriangrey on August 16, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Yes, I do have a problem with it, as I said upthread, even though I realize that Ed and Allah might find it useful and even encourage it.
I don’t like it when kids tattle, and I don’t like it when adults report on other adults. Doesn’t matter if it’s Ed or Allah @hotair.com or flag@whitehouse.gov.
That’s my opinion; it may conflict with yours but it’s (still) a free country.
Missy on August 16, 2009 at 3:30 PM
So President Obama asking you to report free citizens for exercising their first amendment rights is comparable to Ed and Allah asking privileged members of their private website to report violations of the TOS, which privileged members agreed to abide by when they registered?
Sounds like you want to tell the owners of private property what they may or may not do with their property, as a guest on that property.
I liked you, dude.
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 3:31 PM
So you don’t like the idea of people calling 911 if they see a crime occurring? That’s a person reporting a violation of the rules/law to someone charged with enforcing those rules/laws.
That’s precisely what’s being discussed here.
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Nonsense. It’s not remotely the same. Unless you equate someone being in physical danger, or a law being broken to someone saying something nasty on a blog. I would hope someone who calls him/herself a conservative would understand the concept of liberty in a civil society enough to know the difference.
I’m not telling you what to do or what not to do. Go ahead and keep doing it.
Missy on August 16, 2009 at 3:39 PM
I thought someone who called herself a conservative would understand that no commenter here has any liberty. They have the privilege to speak, subject to the rules of their host establishes. Either you want the rules enforced, or you don’t. Thousands of comments a day, with two primary monitors. You’re throwing around schoolyard taunts because people contacted those authorities and notified them of people abusing their privileges at the site, that they might otherwise have not seen. Would you have preferred those comments not have been seen? Do the members of this community not have a responsibility to ensure that the site is free of distasteful comments?
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 3:46 PM
You completely fail to see the main point people are making. It’s about you being the self appointed Tattletale Czar.
Luka on August 16, 2009 at 3:51 PM
I don’t know why you keep trying to argue this. You are free to report other commenters, and I am free to not approve of it. Michelle, Ed and Allah, as the owners/hosts of the site, get to decide whether we get to keep doing it or not, at their discretion. As far as I know it is not a violation of TOS to fail to report someone.
Look, if you think what you’re doing is great, keep at it. You don’t need my approval.
Missy on August 16, 2009 at 3:54 PM
It’s this insulting labeling of those who help to keep HotAir from being represented as a sewer as “tattletales”, a concept which adults left on the playground years ago, as well as the galling comparison to reporting on citizens exercising their free speech, something which does not occur here. Discouraging people from helping to moderate a site with a high level of activity is counterproductive, to say the least. Are you really arguing otherwise?
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 4:09 PM
LOL! This coming from someone who has been known to throw around more than a few “schoolyard taunts” himself. Just like a liberal – I can do it, but you can’t! If you could only see how silly you appear to other people.
Lawrence Talbot on August 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Feel free to reference any point at which I’ve chided people for reporting violations of the rules to those who gave them the privilege to take part in the discussions on this site.
Till then, twist all you like.
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Crime occurring? What? Murder? Rape? Someone drawing a picture of Muhammad? Of Obama? There is definitely a place in the Obama administration for you.
No it’s about you being like a second grade tattletale who thinks she is going to be teachers pet.
Jeckle on August 16, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Stunning. Just stunning.
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM
The reference
was with regard to “schoolyard taunts” As to reporting others, well we already know full well you live for that, self appointed Tattletale Czar.
Lawrence Talbot on August 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Nothing at all stunning, just the totally obvious, to most anyway.
Jeckle on August 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Sargento just lost this cheesehead’s business, and I’m writing them to let them know.
oakpack on August 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Hey, guys…does anybody else feel like we’re battling Satan for our country’s soul? I know it might be the beer and the extended pre-season football coverage on the NFL Channel, but does anyone else out there feel the jungle animals closing in?
All we can do is fight, we have to fight…but how? I’ve emailed sponsors who’ve cancelled Beck, I’ve signed petitions…how, from where we started…did we reach this place? (Beer also evokes cherished movie quotes.) Feeling discouraged…will recharge by tomorrow and keep fighting. Over and out.
jakev on August 16, 2009 at 5:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ranWacynFPc
Grand Junction, CO Healthcare rally… You won’t see this on the State Sponsered Media
reshas1 on August 16, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Look around very carefully, when one person calls you an a$$hole, it most likely they just either had a bad day or didn’t like something you said or did.
When two people call you an a$$hole, most likely it’s a coincidence.
When everyone around you is calling you an a$$hole it’s time to face reality and accept the fact that you are behaving like an a$$hole.
As I said, look around you, nobody is supporting your position and a full dozen people are attacking it.
Michelle herself condemned snitching at the RightOnline Convention and said that we need to stop being timid and politically correct in what we say. This is something we cannot do if we allow people to dictate to us what is acceptable to say, think or post.
Yes, this is private property and we are guests here, but we were invited here to speak our minds, not be cowed into politically correct silence.
The left has neutered America’s conservatives by dictating to us what we are allowed to think, to say and to publish. They have accused us of every atrocity imaginable from racism to homophobia to bigotry and misogyny.
I am none of those things and I am damned angry about being accused of being them or being associated with them. And I am even more angry at hearing someone else accused of some thought crime every damned time I turn around.
You and TAO are doing more to cripple this newly resurgent conservative movement than George Soro’s could ever hope to do.
We do not need thought police and we do not need fifth columnists betraying us from within.
doriangrey on August 16, 2009 at 6:33 PM
You didn’t really just equate criticism of President Obama’s plans to control our lives, destroy our healthcare system, and bankrupt us in the process to turning off the TV channel and ignoring Glenn Beck over dislike of his personal opinions, did you? Because I would give just about anything if all I had to do was turn the channel and ‘ignore’ Obama and then he could have no impact on my life.
pannw on August 16, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Damn, I just spit out my pepsi!!! (*Groan–I was warned to put plastic wrap over my keyboard, but did I listen?!!!)
lovingmyUSA on August 16, 2009 at 7:47 PM
You’re the only “regular” among them. Two of the people joining you never respond to me with anything but insults, anyway. That’s what I call a peanut gallery. When you started hardcoring the Birtherism, I could feel your grip slipping. I hope you regain that hold, since you seem to have gone full-blown victim fetishist. Get over yourself.
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 8:01 PM
That’s a totally lame argument, which of course means you have no actual argument and then the subject switch. If someone needs to get over themselves it would be you.
doriangrey on August 16, 2009 at 8:43 PM
And “if the people who run the website don’t notice a guy joking about JFK assassinations, keep your mouth shut about it!” isn’t?
Uhhhkay.
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM
I realize I came into this late, but are posters really mad about someone bringing a violation to the attention of the moderators? Most of the analogies I’ve seen so far have been deemed not applicable.
How’s bout this? If you’re at the movie theater and someone is continually disruptive and violating the theater’s policy, should no one say anything to management if the violator refuses to stop?
Your answer to this likely reflects how you actually feel on this matter…
ajsleepy on August 16, 2009 at 10:50 PM
The President and Congress are MY employees they work for me and I will not ignore when they break the law. I won’t be ignoring their unconstitutional healthcare bill or ANY of the over 100 Constitutional violations of the Constitution since 20 January.
As for Glenn Beck, he is not my employee, I can choose to flip the channels, you should also flip the channels and realize, companies that boycott Beck will take a much larger hit than Beck will ever take.
nelsonknows on August 16, 2009 at 11:20 PM
As profound a case of projection as I have ever seen. Too profound to even be treatable unless there is a miracle worker in the house.
Sigmund on August 17, 2009 at 1:48 AM
In all honesty, I’m not entirely sure that Beck is good enough to warrant his own show. I don’t think he enhances the reputation of Fox News one iota – he seems to be some kind of Al Franken clown who works the right angle instead of the left.
The fewer vein-busting shouters we have in the political arena the better things become.
DISCLAIMER: Glenn Beck has been known to make some excellent political points, and I do not intend to denegrate the man for his opinions. But I feel the extreme way he delivers his message is not conducive to helpful political dialogue. Frankly there are many people as politically savvy as him who do not get an airing because they are less ‘in-your-face.’ They should be heard instead.
This is just my opinion. Some might argue that he gets good viewer ratings and so should be allowed to continue. My counterargument would be that Olbermann gets good ratings too for the pipsqueak channel he is on. Neither of them raise the quality or tone of the political debate.
dcpolwarth on August 17, 2009 at 5:37 AM
GRRRRRRRR I’m so angry that I fired off a couple nasty emails to these Corporate Sleazebags! I refuse to buy Sargento cheese from now on and will only buy the normal stack of processed Kraft slices that I usually buy anyways but I can pretend for a minute that I actually bought Sargento cheese just so I can show my abject RAAAAGGGGEEEE that some company would have the chutzpah to pull their advertising from a chubby, Mormon political commentator’s show!
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welcome_ghosts on August 17, 2009 at 7:09 AM
What would happen if the “O Riley Factor” discovered they did not have any time slots open for Geico advertising on the next cycle?
Guest1.1 on August 17, 2009 at 9:01 AM
I wish I had a national product to advertise. The rates per head at FNC is a great value versus ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, USA and TNT.
Any stockholder of a company buying on the others should scream as to why they are “wasting” their money. My Advertising staff does not make the charitable contributions of my company, their job is to help SALES. Overpaying for an Ad by is charity.
barnone on August 17, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Whatever you think of Glenn Beck doesn’t matter unless you believe he’s not telling the Truth. He’s got a sixth sense for what’s happening and he’s not even going as far as he should be. Some of us don’t “think” we know what’s going on…we know we know. This pres wants to be pres for life and his minions are willing to do anything to see that it happens. They want to “change” things permanently and therefore won’t risk having everything turned around once out of power. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Nalea on August 17, 2009 at 12:10 PM
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