Video: Hey, we’re happy to pay for abortions through ObamaCare!

posted at 8:48 am on August 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Here’s a town-hall moment to capture in amber. A constituent asks Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) to explain why ObamaCare will cover abortions when at least 90% of them are not medically necessary — in other words, the kind of elective surgery that insurance plans usually don’t cover. CA-16 is a heavily Democratic district, so Lofgren must have thought that she could tell the truth in an entre-nous sort of way.  When she explains that a national health-care system should cover abortion, she gets a surprisingly hostile reception (via Issues and Justice):

Just how liberal is CA-16?  They voted for Obama, 69%-28% in November, and if that doesn’t convince you of their leftist bona fides, they went for John Kerry in 2004, 63%-35%.  These aren’t exactly fiscal conservatives in the San Jose area, but they apparently don’t much like the notion of paying for someone else’s abortions.

Thankfully, though, Lofgren felt secure enough to admit the truth about the reform plan getting pushed through the House.  It’s going to repeal the Hyde Amendment and start supplying federal funds for abortions.  She thinks that’s just great.  What do you think?


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Really? None? I bet if a poll was taken there’d be some disagreement there.

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 9:57 AM

I thought you liberals were fan of nuance?!

Let me put it a different way. If I vote agaisnt a Welfare Bill, does that mean I am against Welfare? According to Libtar logic it does.

But it doesn’t. I voted against a Bad Bill.

So if I vote against gay marriage, my questions haven’t been answered to my satisfaction. If you press every doctrinaire Conservative (evangelicals and the Moral Majority are not doctrinaire Conservatives) on the issue you learn they are open to it.

We just don’t have a habit of jumping into the water without knowing how deep it is, lest you break your neck on the ground underneath.

Holger on August 13, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Technically, VA healthcares only cover some Americans, should they be defunded as well?

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 9:58 AM

The VA serves Americans who were wounded fighting our country’s wars. It is part of their compensation.

Vashta.Nerada on August 13, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Not all liberals are pro-choice or pro-gay adoption, gay marriage.

Believe it or not, there IS such a thing as a Liberal Christian or Liberal Muslim.

Muslims do not endorse abortion.

Labeling groups is not wise.

SalHansen on August 13, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Maybe if you pray hard enough Roe. V. Wade will disappear? LOL

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM

It shows your maturity that you think the death of children is a comical subject. Pretty disgusting, I’d say.

TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Ever time we have an Open Registration, this place turns in to Daily Kos for a few days until the Trolls get themselves banned.
kingsjester on August 13, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Notice that a few of them have innocuous names that lead you to believe they are reasonable, but you see them arguing for hours on only one issue and they are never around on the other various threads.

Bishop on August 13, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Actually abortion is a eugenics issue through and through, and even in this country was meant to be a means of reducing the amount of “undesirable” social class members. Margaret Sanger equals Mengler to my mind.

What I find alarming and sad is the fact that a majority of abortions are performed for black mothers, so that we do have the outcome that the originators wanted, according to THEM. Not me!

catlady on August 13, 2009 at 10:03 AM

I don’t “endorse” anything. I don’t really have the right to endorse or not endorse what another woman does with her life.

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I could argue that I’m against slavery but have no right to tell a slave owner what to do with his slaves.

I could argue that I’m against the Holocaust but have no right to tell a German factory owner that it’s wrong to work his Jewish slaves to death.

A ‘fetus’ isn’t a piece of property. The mother can do what she will with her own body, but only insofar as she is not ending the life of her son/daughter.

BTW, how much of the baby has to be out of the birth canal for it to be declared human? Half? Three-quarters?

Is it okay to pull just the head out, stick a needle in the neck, and suck out the brains of the ‘fetus,’ so long as the rest of the body is more/less in the birth canal?

jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Maybe if you pray hard enough Roe. V. Wade will disappear? LOL

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM

That’s exactly my plan.

jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Maybe if you pray hard enough Roe. V. Wade will disappear? LOL
welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM

If they pray hard enough might you disappear? If so, I say pray hard pray often.

Bishop on August 13, 2009 at 10:04 AM

It shows your maturity that you think the death of children is a comical subject. Pretty disgusting, I’d say.

TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Pray for me?

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:05 AM

More dead Americans

swimcoachmike on August 13, 2009 at 10:05 AM

NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Great comments as usual! You’re one of my favorite posters!

AsianGirlInTights on August 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM

We just don’t have a habit of jumping into the water without knowing how deep it is, lest you break your neck on the ground underneath.

Holger on August 13, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Except that we’re over a generation into pretty widespread gay adoption. The issue is settled, kids aren’t any more likely to be messed up or succesful than kids raised in two parent heterosexual households. What more questions are there? Maybe there’s a ticking gay timebomb these parents placed in their kids and it’s not going to go off until they turn 50 so keep a watch on ‘em! :)

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Maybe if you pray hard enough Roe. V. Wade will disappear? LOL

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Well, since Roe v. Wade got into our Constitution via a hallucination by the “Supreme” Court, may it can go out that way as well.

NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM

It shows your maturity that you think the death of children is a comical subject. Pretty disgusting, I’d say.

TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Pray for me?

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Sure I will, I will also tell you to kiss my a@#.

TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM

found the vid with Specter…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsXUeZpPFVw

yakwill83 on August 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM

BTW, how much of the baby has to be out of the birth canal for it to be declared human? Half? Three-quarters?

If you follow Singer, like one of Obama’s Czars (I forget which one, he has so many) you can kill that “unviable tissue mass” up to it being out of the womb for 2 years. It isn’t human until then and then some magic switch turns on and “Behold!” It is a human being.

Beaglemom on August 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Not all Democrats think killing the unborn is a good idea.

tarpon on August 13, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Yeah . . . Pelosi, Reid, Kerry–they’re all personally against abortion.

And I’m personally against slavery, but it’s not my place to tell someone else he can’t own a slave. And I think slave-trading should be subsidized by the federal gov’t. But don’t get me wrong–I’m against slavery.

/sarc

jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 10:07 AM

If they pray hard enough might you disappear? If so, I say pray hard pray often.

Bishop on August 13, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Amen, brother!

Let us pray together to help strip away the rights of women that have fought so hard and long for these very basic rights to do with her body what she so chooses, regardless of what some religious nut with a Bible tells her.

::prays::

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:07 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM

So let me ask you this. At what point in the childs life does it become as important as the mothers? Most mothers I know put a higher value on their childs life than there own.

HoustonRight on August 13, 2009 at 10:07 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 9:52 AM

I wasn’t suggesting that people have the right to pay for only those gov’t programs with which they agree. I’m saying that the people who want taxpayers to fund elective abortions are in the minority, and yet they continue to try and force their agenda on the rest of us, using specious arguments (e.g., poor women will have no alternative but to use coat hangers, etc., if tax funds are withheld) to support their position. If the liberals really believe so strongly in the right to elective abortion on demand, let them put their money where their mouths are and fund it with their own funds.

AZCoyote on August 13, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Well, since Roe v. Wade got into our Constitution via a hallucination by the “Supreme” Court, may it can go out that way as well.

NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM

LOL it’s not in the constitution, dumbass.

What is in the Constitution is the ability of the Supreme Court and Congress to draft and pass laws, Roe V. Wade being one of them.

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Pray for me?

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Until you repent and ask for forgiveness no amount of prayer on our part will help you.

thomasaur on August 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Amen, brother!

Let us pray together to help strip away the rights of women that have fought so hard and long for these very basic rights to do with her body what she so chooses, regardless of what some religious nut with a Bible tells her.

::prays::

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:07 AM

First thing is being a woman means you a responsible for your actions. Don’t sleep with a man that you don’t want to have a baby with. Use birth control if you don’t want to have a child. Keep making fun of Christians, it shows that you are both a troll and probably a 13 year old.

TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Liberals always demand we accept their rules, while they themselves feel they ought to be exempted. Healthcare for us, but not for them. CO2 reductions for us, but they can fly and emit all they want. Abortions for us, but not for their mothers.

SaveUS on August 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Why do you only care about the mother and NOT the baby?

dominigan on August 13, 2009 at 9:56 AM
>>>>

Abortion doesn’t even help the woman. Lots and lots of studies have shown that. Some of the more interesting studies are the ones showing that, comparing women of equal socioeconomic status going through crisis pregnancies, women who carry their child to term tend to increase their socioeconomic status over time, where women who abort continue to decline socioeconomically.

Abortions actually tend to make a woman poorer, less healthy, and more apt to engage in illegal and risky behavior.

In addition, first-trimester abortions – especially among young women – greatly increase the likelihood of the woman having breast cancer. The scientific reason for this is documented and breast cancer rates show the correlation, particularly risingt among populations of women as they increased the number of abortions.

It is a pretty well-documented fact that abortion = one dead, one wounded.

To take a perfectly healthy person and cut out their heart in the name of “health” makes about as much sense as abortion, and has similar results. You don’t hear Obama talking about the abortionists who would rather chop off from a woman a live, healthy fetus for the sake of money…. but it happens over a million times a year in the good ol’ US of A.

Bad, bad medicine.

justincase on August 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM

The Founding Fathers

The religious affiliations of these individuals are summarized below. Obviously this is a very restrictive set of names, and does not include everyone who could be considered an “American Founding Father.” But most of the major figures that people generally think of in this context are included using these criteria, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, John Hancock, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and more.

Religious Affiliation
of U.S. Founding Fathers
# of Founding Fathers/ % of Founding Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204

courtesy adherants.com

kingsjester on August 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM

AsianGirlInTights on August 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Thank you and that’s yet one more thing we agree on!

NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM

TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Sorry guys, I cannot spell when I get angry. My fingers type on their own.

TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM

First thing is being a woman means you a responsible for your actions. Don’t sleep with a man that you don’t want to have a baby with. Use birth control if you don’t want to have a child. Keep making fun of Christians, it shows that you are both a troll and probably a 13 year old.

TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM

The last thing women need is a lecture from a sanctimonious Bible-thumper posting on a blog, in the comments section, no less.

You should put that on a sign the next time you picket your local Planned Parenthood.

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM

I think you’re missing the point ghosts

AsianGirlInTights on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM

What is in the Constitution is the ability of the Supreme Court and Congress to draft and pass laws, Roe V. Wade being one of them.

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Scotus does not draft and pass law junior.

thomasaur on August 13, 2009 at 10:13 AM

The issue is settled, kids aren’t any more likely to be messed up or succesful than kids raised in two parent heterosexual households. What more questions are there?
CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM

The issue was settled in two states by referendum and that doesn’t seem to deter you from posting your nonsense.

highhopes on August 13, 2009 at 10:13 AM

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:07 AM

I’m not a religious man so I can’t say that you and I will be doing much praying together.

However, maybe the two of us could put our brains together and try to figure out why people such as Scott Peterson are sent to prison, in part, for the murder of a blob of tissue. Think of that, citizens locked up for excising a tumor…Gaia save us.

Bishop on August 13, 2009 at 10:13 AM

What I find alarming and sad is the fact that a majority of abortions are performed for black mothers, so that we do have the outcome that the originators wanted, according to THEM. Not me!

catlady on August 13, 2009 at 10:03 AM

I would like to know your source for that statement. The Afro-American community and the Hispanic community have been less acceptable with the idea of abortion, or at least they were a decade ago. With the millions of abortions that have occurred, the large majority of abortions that have been performed involve the use of killing infants as birth control due to the inconvieniance of pregnancy. with the statistics showing the White population as the lion’s share of the participants.

Hening on August 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Scotus does not draft

thomasaur on August 13, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Wanna bet?

highhopes on August 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM

TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM

That’s okay, Mom. It is this individual’s goal to come onto a Conservative website, be the center of attention, be outrageous, and possibly get himself banned, so he can brag to his friends about how cool he is. He is adding nothing to the conversation.

kingsjester on August 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Did y’all forget? Barry believes that if a woman makes a mistake she shouldn’t “be punished with a baby.”

It’s unfortunate that Barry’s mother didn’t hold that belief.

Barb Dwyer on August 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM

What is in the Constitution is the ability of the Supreme Court and Congress to draft and pass laws, Roe V. Wade being one of them.

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM

It’s in the Constitution that the SCOUS can draft and pass laws. I didn’t know that.

Or did I miss the /sarc switch somewhere?

Yoop on August 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM

for these very basic rights to do with her body what she so chooses

That’s exactly what women’s rights are about, the right to sleep with random jackass losers who abandon her after knocking her up.

I guess that’s why the Democrats are the party of jackass losers. It’s all so inspiring.

NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM

The last thing women need is a lecture from a sanctimonious Bible-thumper posting on a blog, in the comments section, no less.

You should put that on a sign the next time you picket your local Planned Parenthood.

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM

You feel justified in making fun of people’s religious beliefs and then seek to tell me what kind of comments I can post in the comment section?

TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Beaglemom on August 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM

And there are actually “ethicisits” who say some people NEVER become “human”.

It’s kind of long, but really, really good at clearing up where we are legally on the issue of (basically) Nazism:

http://cms.valpo.edu:8080/law/faculty/rstith/STITHLocation10.pdf

justincase on August 13, 2009 at 10:15 AM

The last thing women need is a lecture from a sanctimonious Bible-thumper posting on a blog, in the comments section, no less.

You should put that on a sign the next time you picket your local Planned Parenthood.

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM

When you have no other argument, go for the ad hominem attacks. Liberal Handbook, page 105

Be careful, your hypocrisy is showing.

Beaglemom on August 13, 2009 at 10:15 AM

What is in the Constitution is the ability of the Supreme Court and Congress to draft and pass laws, Roe V. Wade being one of them.

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM

What a moron.

Hiya Ciska on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 AM

It’s very sad to me that children have come to be seen as a burden, not a blessing, and pregnancy as a punishment.

America’s god seems to be the almighty Standard of Living, and the highest goal the service of self.

jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 AM

If Obamacare passes, nearly everyone will become pro-life. People waiting over a year to have a necessary surgery won’t appreciate seeing women wanting abortions going to the front of the line.

Laura in Maryland on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 AM

LOL it’s not in the constitution, dumbass.
What is in the Constitution is the ability of the Supreme Court and Congress to draft and pass laws, Roe V. Wade being one of them.
welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Normally I would caution someone who doesn’t seem to understand the purview of the SCOTUS to refrain from calling others “dumbass”, but I have a feeling it would be lost on you.

Could you provide a linky thingie to show where and how the SCOTUS drafts and passes laws?

Bishop on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 AM

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM
So let me ask you this. At what point in the childs life does it become as important as the mothers? Most mothers I know put a higher value on their childs life than there own.

HoustonRight on August 13, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Looks like the question was too much for our new “friend”

HoustonRight on August 13, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Looks like the question was too much for our new “friend”
HoustonRight on August 13, 2009 at 10:18 AM

You got that right, Houston.

kingsjester on August 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM

If Obamacare passes, nearly everyone will become pro-life. People waiting over a year to have a necessary surgery won’t appreciate seeing women wanting abortions going to the front of the line.

Laura in Maryland on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Yeah, let that woman who is out sleeping around and got pregnant move to the front of the line. The “medical care” she needs is more urgent than the triple bypass that my dad needs. It just makes sense, doesn’t it?

TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 10:20 AM

…these very basic rights to do with her body what she so chooses…
welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:07 AM
>>>>>

Like taking thyroxine without a prescription? Like leaving her seatbelt off? Like putting a bomb suppository in and blowing up whole buildings with it?

Why doesn’t the fetus get to do with his/her body what she so chooses?

What you’re advocating is the unlimited right of one person to destroy another. The ultimate form of discrimination. Like Nazis who get to exterminate Jews. All they had to do was define “Jewish human life” out of legal personhood and then they can do with the “human cattle” as they wanted. Just like the Dred Scott decision in America.

BTW, when was Dred Scott reversed – that is, when were Blacks declared to be legal persons, to have Bill of Rights protections?

justincase on August 13, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Could you provide a linky thingie to show where and how the SCOTUS drafts and passes laws?

Bishop on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 AM
>>>>

I refer that question to the Honorable (cough) Sonia Sotomayor.

justincase on August 13, 2009 at 10:22 AM

The last thing women need is a lecture from a sanctimonious Bible-thumper posting on a blog, in the comments section, no less.

You should put that on a sign the next time you picket your local Planned Parenthood.

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM

The comments section is for comments. If you’re offended by pro-life comments, you’ve come to the wrong website.

BTW, I’ve never picketed a Planned Parenthood clinic, or anything else. However, we do donate to charities that help single pregnant women with lodging, job skills, etc. And we believe that pro-lifers need to step up and start adopting more often. And we attend an inter-racial church that helps feed the poor, here and abroad.

Does that make us sanctimonious Bible-thumpers?

jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 10:23 AM

justincase on August 13, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Good luck with crapulus. He is just here to deride every person that does not live in NYC and/or believes in God.

The best part, he parodies only himself! lol

daesleeper on August 13, 2009 at 10:23 AM

I ask my liberal animal activist friend once if he thought abortion was ok. He said “sure, it’s just a clump of cells and DNA, kinda like a booger”. We’re not friends anymore.

jawkneemusic on August 13, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Let us pray together to help strip away the rights of women that have fought so hard and long for these very basic rights to do with her body what she so chooses, regardless of what some religious nut with a Bible tells her.

::prays::

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Why not pray that women do the right thing with bodies in the first place so they don’t get pregnant. The choice is to risk pregnancy, and not to kill your child if you made the wrong choice.

Hening on August 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM

ask my liberal animal activist friend once if he thought abortion was ok. He said “sure, it’s just a clump of cells and DNA, kinda like a booger”. We’re not friends anymore.

jawkneemusic on August 13, 2009 at 10:23 AM

I heard an interview with a PETA rep who stated that it’s one less flesh eater. Amazing.

Hening on August 13, 2009 at 10:25 AM

What is in the Constitution is the ability of the Supreme Court and Congress to draft and pass laws, Roe V. Wade being one of them.

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Judicial legislation is in the Constitution?

thomashton on August 13, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Let us pray together to help strip away the rights of women that have fought so hard and long for these very basic rights to do with her body what she so chooses, regardless of what some religious nut with a Bible tells her.

::prays::

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:07 AM

The baby is NOT part of her body! The baby has different DNA, and therefore a unique identity, separate from the mother. If anything, the mother is hosting the baby.

And btw… name calling occurs when you can’t debate facts.

dominigan on August 13, 2009 at 10:26 AM

You know, I am not a religious nut job. My idea of God comes from reading Mills, Locke, Hume et al. Nature’s God. Personal god is nonsense.

It does not take a genius to know that a tree grows out of a seed. Anyone who claims differently should advocate killing storks to prevent pregnancy as the magicical child bearing Stork is as fanciful as the belief that Human Life does not begin in the womb. At the very least they should advocate keeping women in caves to prevent the Sun from impregnating them.

Moreover, apart from being a probable cause of a drop in crime statistics and keeping the perpetual underclass (made perpetual by Liberal social programs) Abortion has been nothing but destructive. It has been the chief cause of a cheapening of the value of Life in America. How can anyone who is for Abortion claim the moral high ground and be against War boggles the mind. After all, all War is is post-birth Abortions! How can they advocate humanitarian missions to feed starving Children in Africa, if anything they should advocate euthanasia to end their suffering, after all, it isn’t human life. And that would mean more resources to go around.

Wanna know where we are headed? Look at Russia.

Holger on August 13, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Whether one is pro-life or not, this issue is pretty simple to me. I don’t want a single dime of my tax money being spent for any ELECTIVE medical procedure, period.

Not your cosmetic surgery. Not your hair transplants. Not your sex change operation. Not your body piercings. Not your tattoos or their removal.

And certainly not your damned abortion, sweetheart. What’s more, on this one, I particularly don’t want the blood of your baby on my hands. Are we clear?

TXUS on August 13, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Hey, cheer up, everybody. If our science czar puts chemicals in the water to sterilize us all we won’t have ANY abortions.

Of course, we’ll also have no children, but hey, wouldn’t that be a good thing? The old people can die off and Mother Earth can enjoy the peace and quiet with no people to have to house. The liberal utopia.

justincase on August 13, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Where’s AnninCA? I’m shocked she’s not here defending public funded abortion.

darwin on August 13, 2009 at 10:29 AM

And maybe this is just a philosophical difference, I think women should be able to enjoy sexual gratification without being prepared to parent.

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 10:01 AM

You sure do use a lot of words to say “I like whores.”

TMK on August 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Looks like the question was too much for our new “friend”

HoustonRight on August 13, 2009 at 10:18 AM

“Houston, we have a problem.”

(Lovell, Apollo 13)

;-)

Yoop on August 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Everyone needs to check their city, county, and state for indigent health care programs that already cover the uninsured.
In Hillsborough County, Florida we have this: The Hillsborough County Health Care Plan.
The average monthly cost per enrollee served plummeted from about $600 to $250 over a period when most health care costs were rising.
visit their site: http://www.cjaonline.net/Communities/FL_Hillsborough.htm

My Employer/Employee insurance: $3,400/$364 ($3,764 a year). $600 deductible/80/20%
My car insurance policy covers medical up to $50,000 for $450 a year.
My Medicare/Medicade tax: $356.
My Social Security: $1,521.
My Federal withholding: $2,012.
My Homeowners Insurance(which includes medical coverage): $2,400.
My Property Tax (which provides monies to the indigent health care plan in my county): $1,587.
My total tax and insurance premiums:$12,430. Again, this is without any claim, deductible cost, or my 20% part of a bill added.
The 2009 Poverty Guidelines (eligability requirement for Indigent Plan) for the 48 Contiguous States and the District of Columbia: Persons in family Poverty guideline 1- $10,830 2-$14,570 http://aspe.hhs.gov/POVERTY/09poverty.shtml
2008 Tax table shows that a single person earning the $10,830 poverty level income recieves a tax credit of $157; they pay no income tax. I assume that earning that amount of income reduces the likelyhood of their owning a home, therefore no property tax either that the county indigent care plan recieves monies from. The only way they contribute is through the 1/4 cent sales tax.

The following statement is from the website of: Communities Joined in Action (Hillsborough County’s Plan)
“It’s a fact. Communities across America are expanding access to heath care, reducing costly emergency room care, and improving public health by connecting local providers and using resources in new ways. We can show you how and help you reinvest for better results. Contact us today for a free assessment.” http://cjaonline.net/OurServices.htm

A single person can earn up to $15,880 and owe no income tax.

How much more do they need to take out of our paychecks to provide US with health care?

mydogwonthunt on August 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Apologize for America, check.
Kill economy, check.
Late term and public paid abortions, check.
Healthcare and Death Panels under government control, check.
Illegals and unions indebted to us, check.
Population successfully under our control, check.

Obama to Michelle…”King of the World, Yes, we did (fist bump)!”

Nalea on August 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM

How much more do they need to take out of our paychecks to provide US with health care?

mydogwonthunt on August 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM

How much do you have?

jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM

TXUS on August 13, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Exactly right. Aren’t we told all the time to keep our hands off their body? Aren’t we told that it is their body to do with as they see fit? Aren’t we told that it is their CHOICE?

If it is YOUR choice, then YOU pay for it. Sorry but that is just the way it works. I make a lot of choices in my life but I don’t expect anyone else to pay for them or their consequences. You choose you pay.

John D on August 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM

I heard an interview with a PETA rep who stated that it’s one less flesh eater. Amazing.
Hening on August 13, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Yeah, “Save a Whale, Kill a Baby.”

TXUS on August 13, 2009 at 10:34 AM

And maybe this is just a philosophical difference, I think women should be able to enjoy sexual gratification without being prepared to parent.

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Wow, another Liberal smear about Conservative.

Ever heard of Birth Control. A condom costs seventy five cents from a vending machine that is located in the bathroom of the local gas station. There are clinics that give birth control mechanisms and medicine out for free!

Stop with the smears.

Holger on August 13, 2009 at 10:37 AM

So, if we get single-payer health care with it’s resultant rationing and longer wait periods, and if it covers abortions, does that mean that the wait periods will force women to carry the baby for 14, 15 or 16 months before they can get said abortion?

This will call for some interesting evolution.

Yoop on August 13, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Where’s AnninCA? I’m shocked she’s not here defending public funded abortion.

darwin on August 13, 2009 at 10:29 AM

CrackpotIndependent is AnninCA.

DarkCurrent on August 13, 2009 at 10:37 AM

I make a lot of choices in my life but I don’t expect anyone else to pay for them or their consequences. You choose you pay.

John D on August 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM

No, I’m pretty sure the government’s job is to ensure that no one ever faces the consequences of his/her decisions or actions.

Steal a car, drop out of school, cross the border illegally, molest a child, live promiscuously, father a child you don’t intend to support, or do whatever pleases you. Uncle Sam is there to ensure that you’re not held responsible.

/sarc

jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Abortions have been allowed and publicly funded in Canada since 1970. The total number of abortions performed since 1970 is almost 3 million. Over this period, 10% of the potential population is not here. Abortions represent 25% of all pregnancies. I am very uncomfotable knowing that 1 in 4 are terminated and that part of my tax dollars have gone into funding this. Ask yourself whether you believe that public dollars should go into a program that eliminates 10% of the population.

http://www.webhart.net/vandee/abortstat.shtml

Brian Mallard on August 13, 2009 at 10:38 AM

I am just very happy that all these townhall meetings are happening, so that the American people can finally see what their elected officials are really all about.

Oh I cannot WAIT until Election Day 2010!

pilamaye on August 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM

When it comes to our nation’s commitment to abortion, the good news is the God is merciful.

The bad news, so to speak, is that God is just.

I pray for God’s mercy on us all. Perhaps the conscience of the nation will turn against abortion just as it finally did against slavery.

jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM

How much do you have?

jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Of course that will lead to a much simplified tax form from the IRS:

2010 IRS TAX RETURN

Line 1) How much did you make in 2009 $_______

Line 2) Send it all in.

Line 3) Thank You. Please try to do better next year.

Yoop on August 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM

/sarc
Democrats and Republicans voting for the Obamabot Health Scam:
Oh, I thought abortion was contraception. /sarc

yoda on August 13, 2009 at 10:42 AM

jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 10:38 AM

You are incorrect.

We are held responsible for slavery, for Bull Connors, for MLK, for illegimatacy rates in the black community, for our “underfunded” public schools, etc.

There are many things we’re held responsible for. Just not for anything we can actually control.

NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 10:44 AM

And maybe this is just a philosophical difference, I think women should be able to enjoy sexual gratification without being prepared to parent.

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 10:01 AM

And I think I should be able to eat McDonald’s hamburgers and drink beer all day without getting all fat and drunk.

Because that’s no way to go through life, son.

NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 10:46 AM

It’s bad enough so many have so little value for life that they so enthusiastically support abortion and now it seems old people might be denied a care as well for the sake of saving money… where does it stop?

I weep for my country.

Yakko77 on August 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Technically, VA healthcares only cover some Americans, should they be defunded as well?

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Technically, those people served in the military. Should we make military service compulsory and avail the VA to everyone?

darwin on August 13, 2009 at 10:50 AM

jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Exactly. When everyone is guaranteed equal OUTCOMES, regardless of what they do, nothing a person does matters.

That’s why alcoholism and drug abuse, depression, and suicide are so rampant in cultures where that is the case – including communist nations and the welfare state here.

It’s why business dies on the vine in those places. It’s why doctors who want to make a difference will leave here if they become just a cog in the machine, carrying out the bureaucrat’s assembly-line protocol.

It’s the opposite of freedom and ends in everybody wishing they were dead already. Under those circumstances we’ll probably feel like the government is doing us a favor by offing us.

justincase on August 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Yoop on August 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM

That’s the House version. This is the Senate one:

2010 IRS TAX RETURN

Line 1) According to our records, your income for 2009 was $_______

Line 2) You do not qualify for a refund, but your W2 can be used as an End of Life Counseling Voucher at your local OCare Sustainibar Nutritional Facility.

TMK on August 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM

And maybe this is just a philosophical difference, I think women should be able to enjoy sexual gratification without being prepared to parent.

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 10:01 AM

The essence of the liberal mindset … it’s all about me!

darwin on August 13, 2009 at 10:52 AM

ObamaCare will the the greatest thing ever! Cure all your ills, fill up your gas tank, lower your electrical rates, stop global warming……..and it will all be FREE!

GarandFan on August 13, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Exactly right. Aren’t we told all the time to keep our hands off their body? Aren’t we told that it is their body to do with as they see fit? Aren’t we told that it is their CHOICE?
If it is YOUR choice, then YOU pay for it. Sorry but that is just the way it works. I make a lot of choices in my life but I don’t expect anyone else to pay for them or their consequences. You choose you pay.
John D on August 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM

And, in probably 99% of these cases, let’s not forget the FIRST CHOICE that the precious “owner of the body” made: to decide NOT to keep her knees together.

TXUS on August 13, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Killing babies is no more a religious issue than was gassing jews, or beheading infidels.

The argument of state sponsored abortions is but a perfect representation of the pernicious evil that is Statism.

After all, once you lose control of any proprety rights (life, Arms, Product of labor) you lose control of all.

And so the individual value is only judged by his value to society on some absurd matrix. As the good Dr. Emanuel will attest. Above the cutoff your a human below the cutoff..sorry your just not “Ivy League” material, now take the red pil..shhh..shh.. it wont hurt a bit…

How did abortion proponents go from. I wont be strapped to a table and forced to deliver this “thing”

To I will strap you down and force you to pay for me to kill this “thing”

There are some lines in this world we should just not cross. At the very least the State should not be involved.

I will not pay for abortions.

Interpret my statement any way you wish all your assumptions are most likely correct.

WichoFawkes on August 13, 2009 at 10:53 AM

I will not pay for abortions.

Interpret my statement any way you wish all your assumptions are most likely correct.

WichoFawkes on August 13, 2009 at 10:53 AM

You already do. The gov’t gives $300 million a year to Planned Parenthood. It’s not supposed to be used for abortions, but it’s like giving money to the SS on the condition it not be used for killing Jews.

jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 10:58 AM

It’s bad enough so many have so little value for life that they so enthusiastically support abortion and now it seems old people might be denied a care as well for the sake of saving money… where does it stop?

I weep for my country.

Yakko77 on August 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Don’t despair. This old man, when I get my end-of-life counselor’s decision, plan on making said counselor take the trip to the other side with me. They can consider it a travel perk that comes with the government job.

Yoop on August 13, 2009 at 10:58 AM

justincase on August 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM

All true. Well put.
and So very sad.

bridgetown on August 13, 2009 at 11:00 AM

I’m so happy that instead of bringing up the issues of women’s health and abortion, the media instead chooses to show us the manufactured and staged outrage against health care reform from local town halls.

Shock over substance, every time.

Or maybe we’re past talking about the issue of abortion because it’s now solidified legal precedent? Not even Fox News has brought this issue up, except in passing.

welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 11:00 AM

welcome_ghosts

You are neither worng or right. lol!

daesleeper on August 13, 2009 at 11:03 AM

And so the individual value is only judged by his value to society on some absurd matrix.

WichoFawkes on August 13, 2009 at 10:53 AM

To them, the matrix is not absurd. It’s real simple. If you’re like them or like the kind of people they want, you live. If you’re neither, you die.

Scary stuff…

TXUS on August 13, 2009 at 11:04 AM

And maybe this is just a philosophical difference, I think women should be able to enjoy sexual gratification without being prepared to parent.

CrankyIndependent on August 13, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Women hit what we call puberty. At that point, a woman is able to get pregnant. She should be a Responsible person and not run around like a 7 year old because she wants ‘sexual gratification’.
If a woman is not ‘prepared’ to be a parent, she should be ‘prepared’ to take the necessary steps to avoid getting that way.
Abortion is just a form of birth control to you.
That is so immature, irresponsible and just plain stupid. With that, I’ll assume you are male.
And, as a woman, I can assure you that there are ways of being sexually gratified without doing something that can actually create another human life. ya nitwit

bridgetown on August 13, 2009 at 11:05 AM

the media instead chooses to show us the manufactured and staged outrage against health care reform from local town halls.

HA used to get a better quality of troll; this new crop is pretty sad.

Bishop on August 13, 2009 at 11:08 AM

HA used to get a better quality of troll; this new crop is pretty sad.
Bishop on August 13, 2009 at 11:08 AM

They aren’t exactly stealthy about it, are they? Maybe Axelrod has cut the pay rate.

kingsjester on August 13, 2009 at 11:11 AM

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