Quotes of the day

posted at 10:52 pm on August 13, 2009 by Allahpundit

“In January, the Congressional Budget Office projected a deficit this year of $1.2 trillion before Obama took office, with no estimate for actions he might take. To a large extent, the CBO’s estimate simply represented the $482 billion deficit projected by the Bush administration in last summer’s budget review, plus the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, which George W. Bush rammed through Congress in September over strenuous conservative objections. Thus the vast bulk of this year’s currently estimated $1.8 trillion deficit was determined by Bush’s policies, not Obama’s.

I think conservative anger is misplaced. To a large extent, Obama is only cleaning up messes created by Bush. This is not to say Obama hasn’t made mistakes himself, but even they can be blamed on Bush insofar as Bush’s incompetence led to the election of a Democrat. If he had done half as good a job as most Republicans have talked themselves into believing he did, McCain would have won easily…

In my opinion, conservative activists, who seem to believe that the louder they shout the more correct their beliefs must be, are less angry about Obama’s policies than they are about having lost the White House in 2008. They are primarily Republican Party hacks trying to overturn the election results, not representatives of a true grassroots revolt against liberal policies. If that were the case they would have been out demonstrating against the Medicare drug benefit, the Sarbanes-Oxley bill, and all the pork-barrel spending that Bush refused to veto.”

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“‘In the second term, he felt Bush was moving away from him,’ said a participant in the recent gathering, describing Cheney’s reply. ‘He said Bush was shackled by the public reaction and the criticism he took. Bush was more malleable to that. The implication was that Bush had gone soft on him, or rather Bush had hardened against Cheney’s advice. He’d showed an independence that Cheney didn’t see coming. It was clear that Cheney’s doctrine was cast-iron strength at all times — never apologize, never explain — and Bush moved toward the conciliatory.’

The two men maintain respectful ties, speaking on the telephone now and then, though aides to both said they were never quite friends. But there is a sting in Cheney’s critique, because he views concessions to public sentiment as moral weakness.”

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Robert, here’s the 75 year view
http://www.chartoftheday.com/20090522.gif

Chuck Schick on August 14, 2009 at 1:18 AM

There you are. Took you long enough. And for your next assignment….

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:20 AM

Grab your 401 and trade it in for carbon credits while you still can.

Chuck Schick on August 14, 2009 at 1:18 AM

It’s 401(k) not 401. Didn’t you get the memo, no abbreviations.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Uh, I believe he made an issue over it, not me.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:17 AM

I know. As in, he was being prissy over something stupid, and you made fun of him for it. Then, you decide to be prissy over me not using “eh” as a question, so I thought it was ironic. God, do I have to explain everything I write to you?

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:21 AM

MB4 on August 14, 2009 at 12:46 AM

Hey! Hi.

29Victor on August 14, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Please clarify. I assume it has something to do with saying you don’t understand when to use a comma, and then you implying you could only use “eh” if you didn’t understand something, and were too dumb to forumlate a question. If so, don’t clarify, because I don’t care.

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:19 AM

You’re joking, right? I’ll give you another chance to write the above gibberish again. This time without all the typos and grammatical errors.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:24 AM

History never repeats although it often rhymes.

MB4 on August 14, 2009 at 1:17 AM

Jacques Chirac could have used you at Normandy, for the 60th Anniversary of D-Day. Unfortunately, he was left to his own devices and only managed:

And I think, nonetheless, that history does not repeat itself, and it is very difficult to compare historical situations that differ, because history is not repetitive.

What can you say to that, really?

progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 1:27 AM

Robert doesn’t need data. Obama’s paying for his co-op and keeping his “brokerage flush”.

Chuck Schick on August 14, 2009 at 1:27 AM

Please clarify. I assume it has something to do with saying you don’t understand when to use a comma, and then you implying you could only use “eh” if you didn’t understand something, and were too dumb to forumlate a question. If so, don’t clarify, because I don’t care.

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:19 AM

You’re joking, right? I’ll give you another chance to write the above gibberish again. This time without all the typos and grammatical errors.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:24 AM

Learn to use quotes. This looks quite confusing doesn’t it?

andrewtf on August 14, 2009 at 1:27 AM

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:12 AM

I see you still fail to see the irony of your own post.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:15 AM

I see you fail to see and acknowledge, Robert, how do you Frenchies say, a tou-che?

PercyB on August 14, 2009 at 1:28 AM

I know. As in, he was being prissy over something stupid…
Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:21 AM

I hope GTL doesn’t find out you’re calling him prissy. That would hurt his feelings.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:29 AM

You’re joking, right? I’ll give you another chance to write the above gibberish again. This time without all the typos and grammatical errors.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:24 AM

Hey, hey. Typo. I did spell formulate wrong.

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:30 AM

I see you fail to see and acknowledge, Robert, how do you Frenchies say, a tou-che?
PercyB on August 14, 2009 at 1:28 AM

Actually, it’s “touché”

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:31 AM

I hope GTL doesn’t find out you’re calling him prissy. That would hurt his feelings.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:29 AM

Meh. I doubt it.
(Is “meh” okay for you, dear?)

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:31 AM

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:30 AM

No worries, I won’t hold it against you.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:32 AM

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:31 AM

Sweet talking already. Let’s take it slow.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:33 AM

Sweet talking already. Let’s take it slow.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:33 AM

Don’t make me gag.

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:35 AM

I see you fail to see and acknowledge, Robert, how do you Frenchies say, a tou-che?
PercyB on August 14, 2009 at 1:28 AM

Actually, it’s “touché”

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:31 AM

It is of the highest importance in the art of analysis to be able to recognize out of a number of factors which are incidental and which vital, otherwise your energy and attention must be dissipated instead of being concentrated.

semloh on August 14, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Learn to use quotes. This looks quite confusing doesn’t it?

andrewtf on August 14, 2009 at 1:27 AM

Is that what all these buttons are for?

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:36 AM

It is of the highest importance in the art of analysis to be able to recognize out of a number of factors which are incidental and which vital, otherwise your energy and attention must be dissipated instead of being concentrated.

semloh on August 14, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Now I know it’s time for bed. G’nite all.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:37 AM

Is that what all these buttons are for?

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:36 AM

Yes, the button that says “quote” is for quoting. Good job!

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:38 AM

No worries, I won’t hold it against you.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:32 AM

Try to and you may well be speaking with a much higher pitched voice.

HalJordan on August 14, 2009 at 1:38 AM

Robert, here’s the 75 year view

http://www.chartoftheday.com/20090522.gif

Bank of Scotland’s global equity man today called S&P500 hits 550 by year end.

Grab your 401 and trade it in for carbon credits while you still can.

Chuck Schick on August 14, 2009 at 1:18 AM

But what is the current profit and earnings ratio? That P/E ratio is old stuff. We’re in the new world, now. We deal in profit and earnings ratios. Robert will back me up on this. Heh.

progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 1:39 AM

Actually, it’s “touché”

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:31 AM

I vote to ban the grammar NAZI.

FloatingRock on August 14, 2009 at 1:40 AM

Try to and you may well be speaking with a much higher pitched voice.

HalJordan on August 14, 2009 at 1:38 AM

Oh, I wouldn’t touch, Robbie. I won’t hold it against you though.

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:40 AM

It is of the highest importance in the art of analysis to be able to recognize out of a number of factors which are incidental and which vital, otherwise your energy and attention must be dissipated instead of being concentrated.

semloh on August 14, 2009 at 1:35 AM

so when I analyze something I pick out important stuff or I’m wasting time?

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 1:36 AM

yes

andrewtf on August 14, 2009 at 1:40 AM

I vote to ban the grammar NAZI.

FloatingRock on August 14, 2009 at 1:40 AM

Ugh…you just restarted the whole conversation.

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:41 AM

We deal in profit and earnings ratios.

progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 1:39 AM

And in all 57 states too even those where 10,000 people die in a tornado.

MB4 on August 14, 2009 at 1:42 AM

(Is “meh” okay for you, dear?)

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:31 AM

Oxford says that “meh” is an official word. We’re lobbying for “ha” now.

progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM

Oxford says that “meh” is an official word. We’re lobbying for “ha” now.

progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM

I smell astrotufing

andrewtf on August 14, 2009 at 1:45 AM

True, Bush caved in far to much to Obama and his Democrat congress in 2006-8…but how does this remove teh blame from Obama?

As we’ve seen already, he would have far spent even more then Bush if he could have.

The deficit before Obama and the Dems took congress was what, $250B? Obama’s first year controlling the government completely it will be from $2T to $4T. So, yeah, all Bush’s fault, obviously.

18-1 on August 14, 2009 at 1:46 AM

I’m taking off. Have a good night’s sleep, everyone.

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:46 AM

And in all 57 states too even those where 10,000 people die in a tornado.

MB4 on August 14, 2009 at 1:42 AM

They would have lived, but the evil doctors had amputated the feet of 3500 of them, so they couldn’t run and escape, and the others had just had the evil buggers take their tonsils out, so they couldn’t yell and warn them, anyway. If we had had Soviet style health care, this tragedy would never have happened.

progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 1:47 AM

Ugh…you just restarted the whole conversation.

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 1:41 AM

Don’t worry, it’s just a temporal inversion. We should be able to work our way out of it in future iterations. :)

FloatingRock on August 14, 2009 at 1:49 AM

Bank of Scotland’s global equity man today called S&P500 hits 550 by year end.

Grab your 401 and trade it in for carbon credits while you still can.

Chuck Schick on August 14, 2009 at 1:18 AM

But what is the current profit and earnings ratio? That P/E ratio is old stuff. We’re in the new world, now. We deal in profit and earnings ratios. Robert will back me up on this. Heh.

progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 1:39 AM

Saw this on a buiness blog:

What’s the “message” of the market here? Over the last two weeks corporate insiders have dumped over $2.1 billion in stock vs. $73.1 million in buys. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen the ratio of insider sells vs. buys this skewed toward officers and directors looking for the exit door. Talk about the captain jumping into the lifeboat and speeding away before the ship sinks….

Given that the trailing, “as reported” price/earnings ratio is now 144, or substantially above the peak p/e ratio on the Nasdaq at the top of the tech bubble, what is the market trying to tell us?

Think about that when you call up your financial advisor or broker and tell him you want get out of the stock market.

MB4 on August 14, 2009 at 1:50 AM

“And I think, nonetheless, that history does not repeat itself, and it is very difficult to compare historical situations that differ, because history is not repetitive.” -Jacques Chirac

progressoverpeace on August 14, 2009 at 1:27 AM

Figures.

FloatingRock on August 14, 2009 at 1:51 AM

I know the QOTD is something Allah selected, not something he wrote. But this one is still unworthy.

Yes, we all know that Bush spent too much money, and bears some blame for our deficits. But blaming the deficit before Obama all on Bush is moronic, because it completely ignores the role of Congress. Bruce Bartlett has no excuse for writing something like this. It appears he’s more interested in bashing Bush than in addressing the facts realistically.

The deficit under Bush was bad at $435 billion, but it probably would have been no worse if not for TARP. And whose fault is TARP? It was a desperate attempt to forestall a financial catastrophe that traces directly back to the FNMA/FRMC subprime market.

Bush did not create that. He called for it to be reformed over 40 times. It was the Democrats on the Banking Committee who refused to consider any reforms at all.

You want to know why we have huge deficits? It’s because of Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Barack Obama, and nearly the entire Congressional Black Caucus. Democrats, every one of them.

And here’s the sad truth: We voted them into power. The voters of this country gave Congress to the Democrats in 2006, and the previously solid economy started going downhill. The subprime market collapsed, and suddenly Bush was calling for TARP to pass, even though he didn’t want it, because he truly believed without it banks would stop lending and business would grind to a halt.

I’m not saying it was the right decision by Bush, but the ones who caused the crisis should bear the blame for TARP. And that wasn’t Bush.

Bush had other faults. He should have defended himself rather than let the Left demonize him, and all Republicans by extension. He should have built up the Republican party so it would be strong in the future. Instead, he specifically chose a VP who was not interested in ever running for president.

But Bartlett’s attempts to blame Bush are shameful. If we get a good conservative president in 2012, but let the Democrats keep control of Congress in 2010 and 2012, we really won’t be much better off. Congress matters, not just the president.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on August 14, 2009 at 1:52 AM

If Bush is to blame, then Obama should be able to reverse his policies and solve it. Except that he is, and it’s getting worse.

I guess it’s more complicated than that, and Obama will be able to pull on his vast executive experience to compensate. Except that he has none. Not a bit. He’s never run a popsicle stand. He knows more about writing autobiographies than he does about earning the reason to write them.

spmat on August 14, 2009 at 1:52 AM

MB4 on August 14, 2009 at 1:50 AM

impressive

andrewtf on August 14, 2009 at 2:02 AM

guntotinglibertarian on August 14, 2009 at 12:15 AM

We draft their structured finance deals. I would explain that to you but what’s the point, really.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 12:19 AM

LMAO. That is what GS does you nitwit.

Texas on August 14, 2009 at 2:04 AM

People are going to flip out when the market crashes again in September if the Bank of Scotland
is correct.

It certainly passes the smell test from this layman. I don’t know that much about economics, but I’m pretty confident the optimists are out of their gourds.

jhffmn on August 14, 2009 at 2:05 AM

The crying gets to me as well.

TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 11:24 PM

Boo-hoo.

And I mean that sincerely.
;)

soundingboard on August 14, 2009 at 2:08 AM

And here’s the sad truth: We voted them into power.
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on August 14, 2009 at 1:52 AM

What’s this “we” stuff? I had nothing to do with electing those jokers. :-D

CrankyTRex on August 14, 2009 at 2:23 AM

Obama sucks, but at least there aren’t any new wars.

We haven’t bombed Iran…yet.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 2:27 AM

But there is a sting in Cheney’s critique, because he views concessions to public sentiment as moral weakness.”

This quote pretty well explains why Cheney was a poor pick for VP. Reagan got things done not just because his opinions were right but because he was very popular with people.

Speedwagon82 on August 14, 2009 at 2:29 AM

This quote pretty well explains why Cheney was a poor pick for VP. Reagan got things done not just because his opinions were right but because he was very popular with people.

Speedwagon82 on August 14, 2009 at 2:29 AM

So you think Bush’s second term was better than his first, then?

FloatingRock on August 14, 2009 at 2:31 AM

Obama sucks, but at least there aren’t any new wars.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 2:27 AM

Well if you don’t count Obama’s War on America, I suppose.

MB4 on August 14, 2009 at 2:38 AM

The difference between me and them?

A 100-150 lbs?

I have no interest in preaching to the already converted, my interest is in renewing faith in this party

Which is evident by your insulting everyone. Stop the H8, Miss Piggy!

Blake on August 14, 2009 at 2:40 AM

lets see 1.8 minus 1.2 is 800 billion extra. which is double all of Bush’s red ink in his first 7 years. So i guess we should just forget about that 800 billion. because you know that was needed to pay off Obama’s friends and set up the funding for the 2010 eclections. Idiot.

Bush was wrong on so many levels but trying to blame Obama’s pork eclection stimulus on bush is just wacked. and conservatives have a reason to be angry. Not just at Obama but at bush and Clinton and bush one. Reagan was the last president that even talked about cutting gov programs. the last president that bothered with the consitutional powers. The president has become too powerful because of a lack of will from the Congress. Polictcal cowrads one and all.

unseen on August 14, 2009 at 2:44 AM

Stop the H8, Miss Piggy!

Blake on August 14, 2009 at 2:40 AM

I never looked, was the first quote from Meghan McCain?

FloatingRock on August 14, 2009 at 2:47 AM

1. what nobody remembers is that the senate was almost evenly divided – at one point it was 50/50 with Cheney as tie breaker.
2. what nobody remembers is that the democrats wanted equal representation on the committees and veto power.
3. in order to pursue the war with Iraq (after 9/11) GWB had to get those supplemental bills to fund the war effort and to do that he couldn’t say very much to anything the 50/50 split senate wanted in their budget bills.
4. the president was the one having people camp out in front of his ranch not cheney so cheney can be hard core but everyone knew bush was a compassionate guy.
5. bush was the one that was getting those 3am phone calls and having the reports of each soldier dying. you could tell after 7 years that it was eating him up inside.
6. bush was a foreign policy president not a domestic president.
7. Obie is a domestic president and has met only 1 time with the joint chiefs in the ‘tank’ – a weekly military mtg. Great.
8. sure blame bush for everything but then we get to blame clinton for everything and there are those that will blame reagan but to counter it the other side blames carter.

The date you actually become president and start assuming power is the November 3rd. As such, with such a huge turn toward the democrats, they passed the stimulus bill and even though GWB’s signature is on it, the bill was anything but his.

He was caught between a rock and a hard place: being compared to Hoover if he didn’t support and sign the stimulus and then being reviled by his base who forgot the past 8 years and the 50/50 split in the senate where he could not get any traction on social security reform or any other of this domestic policies passed.

anyone remember GWB’s 1st test? it was the incident with china holding the 7 airmen/women on the island as spies after china forced the plane down – the military scrambled to erase the hard drives.

people have short memories.

athenadelphi on August 14, 2009 at 2:49 AM

Someone talk to me. Don’t make me go watch Hannity.

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 12:19 AM

I usually surf past Hannity myself,but tonights show was interesting.

Luntz did one of his focus groups, split 50/50 (appx) between McCain voters and NeObama voters.

A large percentage of the latter claimed to be unhappy with The One.

Between that, and the town halls, I’m beginning to have a bit of optimism for the future of our country.

soundingboard on August 14, 2009 at 2:49 AM

MB4 on August 14, 2009 at 12:37 AM

Hey! The prodigal son returns.

Glad to see you back.

soundingboard on August 14, 2009 at 2:51 AM

So you think Bush’s second term was better than his first, then?

FloatingRock on August 14, 2009 at 2:31 AM

Bush became a lame duck with the 2008 elections. He was fighting against daily charges of “torturing” the poor innocents in GITMO and the daily violence in Iraq. I challenge anyone to find a single instance of GWB ever whining about the things being said against him from the Left OR the Right. I challenge anyone to to find a single instance of him apologising for our country and I challenge anyone to cite an instance when he ever passed the buck or an instance of putting his personal popularity before what he felt was the right thing to do. Agree with him or not but with GWB you didn’t have to parse what he said nor did he ever embarrass the office of POTUS.

Texas on August 14, 2009 at 2:52 AM

Thank you. I appreciate it, because I won’t be here on my actual b-day.

Emily M. on August 14, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Premature birthday wishes.

Here’s to many more!

soundingboard on August 14, 2009 at 2:54 AM

History never repeats although it often rhymes.

MB4 on August 14, 2009 at 1:17 AM

Spoken just like someone who doesn’t learn from history…wait a minute, I think you are one of those who never learn.

steveegg on August 14, 2009 at 2:55 AM

Every open registration we get a new crop of good posters in here and about a dozen trolls. Unfortunately, these trolls hijack threads for about 2 weeks afterwards, until they are banned, but in the process drown out all the great new people.

That being said, this open registration has given us what has to be the most inept, uninformed, sanctimonious, and ignorant crop of trolls I’ve seen in my 3+ years at HotAir. Good lord.

elduende on August 14, 2009 at 2:56 AM

Um, robert…I asked for pepperoni, not sausage.

guntotinglibertarian on August 14, 2009 at 12:52 AM

And he’s still tryin’ to serve you a sh!t sandwich.

soundingboard on August 14, 2009 at 3:00 AM

Bush’s political career is defined by his ability to thoroughly annihilate the English language. The guy was a moron and he wore it on his sleeve everyday. All caught on video for the rest of history to see. =]
welcome_ghosts on August 14, 2009 at 12:54 AM

The mangled syntax he inherited from his father doesn’t equate to “moron”.

soundingboard on August 14, 2009 at 3:03 AM

Yes, my firm drafts structured finance deals for GS as underwriters. Not everyone here works in a general store selling feed.

robertnyc212 on August 14, 2009 at 12:55 AM

My family ran a general/feed store for almost twenty years.

Your disparaging statement makes me wish dueling was still legal.

I’d go Jim Bowie on your ass.

soundingboard on August 14, 2009 at 3:08 AM

MB4 is back yarr!!

Welcome back mate! WOOHOO!

alohapundit on August 14, 2009 at 3:31 AM

elduende on August 14, 2009 at 2:56 AM

You noticed, too?

OldEnglish on August 14, 2009 at 4:00 AM

You noticed, too?

OldEnglish on August 14, 2009 at 4:00 AM

Its amazing to behold.

elduende on August 14, 2009 at 4:15 AM

MB4 on August 14, 2009 at 12:37 AM

Who is John Galt?

alohapundit on August 14, 2009 at 5:29 AM

Well then, that cleared it up

..

…BLAME CHENEY!

Reaps on August 14, 2009 at 5:31 AM

Ha ha! Bruce Bartlett still writes things down.

Jim Treacher on August 14, 2009 at 5:37 AM

Ha ha! Bruce Bartlett still writes things down.

Jim Treacher on August 14, 2009 at 5:37 AM

But he has to write bending over, as he can’t straighten up. This has been his favored “position” for so long…

lovingmyUSA on August 14, 2009 at 6:06 AM

AP, I must have missed this one. Could provide a reference as to who said it and when?

Whoever did say it apparently wasn’t on this earth last fall.

…the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, which the democrap reid/pelosi congress rammed through in September over feeble republican objections.

FIFem

Blacksmith8 on August 14, 2009 at 6:10 AM

Bush was not perfect.
Was pretty bad at times, but
Obama is worse.

How much worse is he?
Bush was trying to be good.
BO wants to be bad.

Haiku Guy on August 14, 2009 at 6:26 AM

elduende on August 14, 2009 at 2:56 AM

Amen, Brother.

kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 6:26 AM

Bruce Bartlett is just another weasel in the Peggy Noonan, David Brooks, Debra Saunders mode, who, believing conservatism has been defeated, is lining up to beg crumbs at the statist table.

Not that I care to defend Bush, believe me.

guntotinglibertarian on August 14, 2009 at 6:36 AM

Bruce Bartlett is just another of the David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, Debra Saunders crowd who think that conservatism is dead and it’s time to reserve a place at a different buffet.

Not that I have much sympathy for Bush. I never believed he was a conservative and am appalled that conservatism has been tarred by his policies. I also had utter contempt for his proclivity to make appointments from his claque of mediocre cronies – Powell, Rice, Gonzalez, Miers, etc.

guntotinglibertarian on August 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM

guntotinglibertarian on August 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM

I disagree with you about Rice but mediocre cronies is being kind to Powell, Gonzalez, and Meirs.

highhopes on August 14, 2009 at 6:58 AM

The critics all say we should have done something about this when Bush was in office. While I do agree with that statement to a certain extent, I look at it in a different way.

Over the years, we’ve been like the from in water under a low heat. Gradually, we boil to death, mostly unnoticed. With Obama, they turned the heat from low to high instantly and it made so many people aware of what was going on. I am glad Obama became president for no other reason than this. If it were McCain, in all likelihood, we would have just kept boiling.

jeridhill on August 14, 2009 at 7:01 AM

Whoops, FROG not from……

jeridhill on August 14, 2009 at 7:02 AM

This is crap. The Democrats controlled Congress, not Bush. Bush did not even sign the last budget. I can remember Bush’s veto of a farm bill being over ridden in fact…because he was not spending enough money. When the Democrats took Congress in 2006, the deficit was about $168 billion. Bush had been president for 6 years. It was not until Pelosi and company came to town that the number really took off. I am sure the recession added to the costs as well. But blaming Bush is just not right. I am sure that there was some panic in all levels of government when the meltdown came, but I do not blame Bush for the actions of others. I just do not. I think it is just away for Bushbashers to keep this crap alive a little longer.

You might as well blame Clinton for allowing the changes in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that helped lead to overbuying in real estate.

As for moving away from Cheney, Bush picked him knowing full well that the left would hate him. He never changed his mind and in truth Cheney had more influence in the administration than any VP I remember in years and years.

Terrye on August 14, 2009 at 7:21 AM

And I also do not think that the Bush people were mediocre, if you want to see mediocre, look at what is running government today. One of the reasons we are stuck with these jokers right now is that so many conservatives decided to eat their own and turn on Bush…that just made it that much easier for someone like Obama to do what he is doing. I hope they are happy with themselves.

Terrye on August 14, 2009 at 7:23 AM

Miers did not deserve to be called a char woman. In fact she got the Palin treatment from a lot of conservatives. Gonzales did not deserve to be fed to the Democrats either.

I am just so disgusted with people who do nothing but undermine their own side and then whine when it comes back and bites them on the butt.

Terrye on August 14, 2009 at 7:25 AM

I am glad Obama became president for no other reason than this. If it were McCain, in all likelihood, we would have just kept boiling.

jeridhill on August 14, 2009 at 7:01 AM

That is likely to be the only blessing from this presidency. I’ve always liked Cheney – he is principled and intelligent and fundamentally patriotic. I cannot imagine that he would criticize Pres. Bush to anyone but people he trusts implicitly, and he would choose those people wisely. This sounds like the WaPo using wishful speculation from anonymous sources in their fantasy writing.

piglet on August 14, 2009 at 7:27 AM

Terrye,
You are awesome. Someone mentioned the seven airmen captured by teh Chinese early in Bush’s tenure – I’ve forgotten that incident. What happened?

piglet on August 14, 2009 at 7:29 AM

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on August 14, 2009 at 1:52 AM

well said

cmsinaz on August 14, 2009 at 7:38 AM

Terrye on August 14, 2009 at 7:21 AM

spot on!

cmsinaz on August 14, 2009 at 7:39 AM

As a wise Latino with rich life experiences and being from Texas I think all of you west coast and east coast conservatives can pound sand. Bush often stood alone and took the shots and all you did was whine. My perspective of the world changed after 9/11. Bush had a job to do and he did it. He made decisions that seem to be wrong to a bunch of backseat drivers now but at the time he had the public support. Now you spineless twits use phrases like “believe me I don’t like defending the guy.” Please, you are either all in or out.For 8 years he branded as being stupid, evil, uncaring, and a war monger and not one time did he complain. I think his legacy will be fine. You conservative elites that still eat with the liberal elites can eat the remnants of the trail of circus elephants.

bigtexmex on August 14, 2009 at 7:50 AM

Ronald Reagan never blamed the crappy economy he inherited on Jimmy Carter, he just put his head down and went to work fixing it.

rockmom on August 13, 2009 at 11:49 PM

I’m convinced King Obama doesn’t know how to work. Or want to. Just talk. Ad nauseum.

tru2tx on August 14, 2009 at 7:53 AM

“The change I saw in W was that he seemed to become unwilling to defend his policies to the American people.”

jgapinoy on August 13, 2009 at 10:55 PM

He had no trouble defending his position on amnesty -that, along with John(Me too)McCain was a good reason Obama waltzed into permenant power.

Don L on August 14, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Just one question on all of this, what about WORLDCOM, ENRON, GLOBAL CROSSING, AND THE DOTCOM BUBBLE, all of which drove up the Clinton numbers and had to be handled during the first years of the Bush Administration, along with 9/11? It’s easy to do incomplete analysis but you’d think that those problems would be significant. Now, add to that Lehman Brothers biting the dust before Bush left office and you see other problems.

Although I’m not an economist, and don’t play one on cable television, I recognize those as significant problems for any administration, let along one that comes in an 9 months later has a major attack that completely screws up the financial sector.

bflat879 on August 14, 2009 at 8:05 AM

Even when I disagreed with Pres. Bush, I never thought his decisions were nefarious but that they were truly what he thought was best. The current administration’s every move seems to be a power grab to insure Democratic wins into the future. As for the talk about VP Cheney, I think that when the book comes out it will not be a hit piece on W but an honest explanation of what went on and why. I am not sure if the current rumblings are media induced or to gin up interest in the book. I would be shocked if Mr. Cheney was unkind to the president.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2009 at 8:09 AM

bigtexmex on August 14, 2009 at 7:50 AM

GWB’s legacy will be fine, it rests on what he did in his first term in the aftermath of the 9/11/01 atrocities. That being said, GWB’s second term was a mess. He took a gamble on privatizing social security which, unfortunately failed. He tacitly endorsed the McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill and otherwise stopped being a social conservative. He had many missteps like the Meirs nomination. After the Democrats took control of Congress in 2007, he began phoning it in.

highhopes on August 14, 2009 at 8:11 AM

As for the talk about VP Cheney, I think that when the book comes out it will not be a hit piece on W but an honest explanation of what went on and why. I am not sure if the current rumblings are media induced or to gin up interest in the book. I would be shocked if Mr. Cheney was unkind to the president.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2009 at 8:09 AM

I suspect it will be a book making the case for the type of leadership that Cheney has always advocated. GWB had a different style and that apparently led to friction.

highhopes on August 14, 2009 at 8:13 AM

FloatingRock on August 14, 2009 at 2:47 AM

Yep.

athenadelphi on August 14, 2009 at 2:49 AM

Yep.

Terrye on August 14, 2009 at 7:21 AM

Terrye on August 14, 2009 at 7:23 AM

Terrye on August 14, 2009 at 7:25 AM

Yep. Yep. Yep.

Blake on August 14, 2009 at 8:16 AM

Anger at Bush and anger at Obama is not a mutually exclusive condition.

NoFanofLibs on August 14, 2009 at 8:21 AM

highhopes on August 14, 2009 at 8:13 AM

I am sure you are right and it probably happens in almost all situations of two strong men. I like both of these men so much and would be very surprised if disagreements aren’t related in an honorable fashion. I would be disappointed if it sunk to soap opera standards.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2009 at 8:30 AM

I know what I’m about to say doesn’t sound too conservative but oh well. We’ve never had a tax cut during war time. We shouldn’t cut taxes while we were at war. That is part of the reason why the deficit is so huge.

terryannonline on August 14, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Well if you don’t count Obama’s War on America, I suppose.

MB4 on August 14, 2009 at 2:38 AM

Speaking of which, check out HR45, the The Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act.

Johan Klaus on August 14, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Whatever…..

I would still rather see George Bush as president than what we have now.

The MSM and the Republican candidate led to the loss of the WH to socialists. The endless barrage of innuendos from the media about Beauty and The Beast, the spending capabilities of the Democrats and the regurgitated lies about “Hope and Change” even seemed to come from McCain’s lips.

George Bush was reelected and kept this nation from further homeland attacks successfully. That will be his legacy including the successful introduction of a choice other than fascism to the Near East.

Hening on August 14, 2009 at 9:03 AM

AP, Forgive me if this has already been said,
Blame Bush for this mess? Where is Barney Frank and his cronies? What about Carter / Clinton forcing banks to take bad loans. What about Obama’s ACORN protesting at the homes of Bank Managers to get their way? Go ahead and Blame “W” all you want. I have not seen one person say “W” was leading us down the road to Socialism. Can any one say that for Obama? Is the arguement that If Bush did not put us in this mess, Obama would not act like a Socialist?

Guest1.1 on August 14, 2009 at 9:20 AM

terryannonline on August 14, 2009 at 8:32 AM

The tax cut was more a reaction to 9/11 and how it rocked the financial and retail community. I think the interest rate stayed too low for too long. So as we can see there are tons of opinions on how things could have been done better. And as Mr. Obama found out on 1/20/09 decisions are easy things to make until they become your responsibility and you have all the information. I think Mr. Obama’s handling of the war proves that.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2009 at 9:29 AM

The tax cut was more a reaction to 9/11 and how it rocked the financial and retail community.

True but immediately after 9/11 America was on a war footing and so was Bush. And we all know wars are expensive. So the tax cuts might have provided immediate relief, it didn’t help in the long run.

terryannonline on August 14, 2009 at 9:39 AM

I know what I’m about to say doesn’t sound too conservative but oh well. We’ve never had a tax cut during war time. We shouldn’t cut taxes while we were at war. That is part of the reason why the deficit is so huge.

terryannonline on August 14, 2009 at 8:32 AM

1.Cutting the tax rates reduces the amount that the taxpayers have to “give” to the government.
2.More money = more purchasing, of both durable goods and consumables.
3.The economy grows
4.Revenues to the treasury increase (a smaller percentage of taxes, from a larger base, = more money.)

Remember, the tax cuts were a central tenet of George W. Bushes campaign; as such, he kept the principal promise he made on the campaign trail.

And, the tax cuts were accomplished within the first 6 months of his presidency; after a tough start (given the rancor over the election,) and with a congress that was not proof from filibuster.

The other campaign promise was to appoint conservative judges.

He did that too, both on the lower courts, and on the Supreme Court.

By contrast, name just one campaign pledge that Obama has kept.

massrighty on August 14, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Remember, the tax cuts were a central tenet of George W. Bushes campaign

Yes it was central to his campaign. But do really think the American wouldn’t understand if he said “Things change. We are in a war on terror now and right now is not the time to cut taxes.”

Don’t get me wrong I’m all for cutting taxes. I just think war time is the appropriate time to do that.

terryannonline on August 14, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Sorry meant to write:

I just don’t think war time is the appropriate time to do that.

terryannonline on August 14, 2009 at 9:52 AM

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