MSNBC host: Hey, wouldn’t Jesus want us to have universal health care?
posted at 10:09 pm on August 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
I wanted to write a post on that business industry study showing that the House’s global warming bill will bludgeon the economy, but it’s simply too depressing/enraging after a long week of depression and rage. Have at it in the comments if you can muster the energy. Instead, since we haven’t had a good religion food fight in a while, enjoy stalwart lefty Ed Schultz discovering the joys of faith-based politics. It’s a testament to how vile the left’s rhetoric has become, especially when mouthed by MSNBC’s primetime line-up of demagogues, that this line of attack comes off as comparatively genteel. Although maybe that’s due in part to Schultz’s guests here not barfing up the talking points he’s expecting. Take a page from Olbermann, Ed: Make sure to screen the guests for total ideological conformity before you put them on the air. That way there are no surprises.
My very strong suspicion is that if I posted this on a lefty site, all the Christians there would say yes, of course Jesus wants universal health care. As it is, opinion among Christians here will be unanimous that he doesn’t or that he’d have no opinion (“render unto Caesar,” etc.) Exit question: Aren’t the lefties right?
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10, not 10th Commandmants woops.
CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Obama to Jesus: “I won”.
So the left expects the religious right to compromise their principles and pass health care? How about the left show their sincerity and remove the parts about taxpayer-subsidized premiums fungible paying for abortions, and the parts about doctors being subsidized to provide end-of-life counseling. But I guess sacrificing principles is something the left expects the right to do.
ChrisB on August 14, 2009 at 9:27 AM
I get your point, but Jesus also sought out the ill, he walked among the people knowing that their was healing to perform. What they probably meant was that one must first have the desire to be healed and that the promise of healing was always conditional upon obedience to God’s commands.
Mark 1:29-31
Matthew 12:9-14
Neither of these asked to be healed…compassion is not only for those who ask, but also for those deserved.
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 9:29 AM
I certainly believe that Jesus would want people to have the best healthcare they could. But Jesus teaching involved charity and free will. I think he would want us to make the choice to help our neighbors as much as we could, but he would want us to do that out of good will and compassion, not because the state forces us to.
When its compelled, its not charity. Its not a choice, and thus is robs the individual of their own free will.
GopherCon on August 14, 2009 at 9:30 AM
This i take offense to. I take it as using the name of the Lord in vain. You wanna know what Jesus would say? “Speak those things which are not as though they were.” “Let the sick say that they are healed!” “if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can move a mountain.”
When it all comes down to it, i think these yahoo’s and their health care are going to need a hospital.
In the name of Jesus, I rebuke Obama and all of his cronies selling the American people a pig-n-poke!
Orion Prime on August 14, 2009 at 9:33 AM
CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Christians are exhorted to care for those in the Church. As people see the love poured out there they will want to become part of that and see where the power to be selfless comes from.
I know it’s true for Lutherans and I think it’s also true for other religious denominations – the life insurance policies we get (through Thrivent, for Lutherans; other groups have their own as well) use a part of the profit to match earnings on charitable work done by the members. When somebody has catastrophic medical expenses, for instance, community members will have pancake feeds, bingo, auctions – whatever – as a charity fundraiser and then the fraternal insurance company will match funds on any profit from it.
This accomplishes SO much more than extorting our money through taxes and having some bureaucrat give the person their “due”.
It gives people a chance to give willingly – to show their love for their neighbor in a tangible and visible way, freely.
It lets the person in need see the sacrifice of others to help them and to realize how much their community cares – not because they’re FORCED into it, but because they are decent people who care.
This takes away the entitlement aspect and makes the person see it as what it is – a gift. Those people, whenever possible, pitch in to help someone else in the same way because they know what it feels like to give and receive love in the form of sacrificial giving.
The person who receives the help also receives a fellowship of people he/she can call on, or who will keep asking what they can do to help.
I can’t tell you how many families in our church have come to faith because of this process. Because they saw the love of Jesus through the willing hands and feet of His body, they were brought to the Lord Himself – the One who can heal the places in their lives much, much deeper than their physical needs.
Jesus reamed the Pharisees for their practice of “corban”. Instead of carrying out their responsibility to care for their own parents in their need, they gave that money as an “offering” and were thus excused from their duty. Jesus said this was replacing the command of God with tradition. It’s basically the same thing as saying, “Rather than taking care of my own family I’ll throw some taxes into the collective pot and let somebody else worry about it.”
Jesus detested this. To think that throwing some money into the public treasury is obedience to God’s law of providing for your family is wrong.
justincase on August 14, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Jabbering Marxist puppet unhappy about…something, or something.
whitetop on August 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM
here’s what REALLY happened…
Jesus commanded Pontius to set up a universal health care system, social security, AND a welfare state…
but the early church CONSPIRED to keep it out of the Bible…
It’ll be in Dan Brown’s newest book!!!!
right4life on August 14, 2009 at 9:45 AM
What this tool fails to realize is that Jesus wasn’t a goddamned politician.
Maybe if he darkened the door of a church more than twice a year for Christmas and Easter and started reading the Bible, he’d know that.
Demagogue.
intricate3 on August 14, 2009 at 9:46 AM
I thought Jesus WAS universal health care?
catmman on August 14, 2009 at 9:49 AM
I find it highly ironic that the media that has vilified the church, Christians, anyone with any religious leanings is now using Jesus as their reasoning for nationalized health care.
ChalkPerson on August 14, 2009 at 9:52 AM
It’s always interesting to hear non-Christian (or at least non-educated in doctrine Christian) preach to the informed Christians. NO, Jesus is not for government taking money from anyone to “redistribute” to those they choose, especially for abortion (!) and “end of life” death panels.
I suppose the god they worship is a liberal enthusiast… but he isn’t the God of the Bible.
Mrs.Toljaso on August 14, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Big Ed, if you will, is merely a blowhard self-styled “progessive” who was promoted/demoted? to MSNBC not too long ago. It appears he really wants to stay on da TV really bad so he will say or do anything. And he does and he has and he is, as per above. I checked his bio once and learned to my dismay that we are from the same state. Last time I checked his bio it stated that he played professional football. That raised suspicions. If he had played NFL ball, he would say so. Nah, he played Canada ball. Big Eddie the blowhard progressive who will do anything to stay on da TV cuz he likes being on da TV so very much. Heck, Sen.Jim Webb is from the same state. I think we need to divide the state into a North and a South. This time for the RIGHT reasons across the board. My state ain`t no Webb state and it certainly ain`t no Big Head Ed state, either. Too many blues carpet-bagging it from the DC area. Anyway, Big Ed lives in Minnesota. His time would be better spent ice fishing and hunting. He likes hunting and fishing. Says so on his radidio show.How he squares that with his illiberal masters, I have no idea.Probably he keeps that on the down low.
Sherman1864 on August 14, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Jesus would be throwing members of Congress out of the capital building, like he did with the money changers in the temple.
Hiya Ciska on August 14, 2009 at 9:56 AM
This is nothing new for liberals. Anybody who reads lefty sites knows one of their favorite things to do is invoke Jesus name because they think it will shame conservatives, who are all “religious wackos” (their words, not mine) in their eyes, into doing what they want.
clearbluesky on August 14, 2009 at 9:57 AM
And btw, anyone wanting to know what “Jesus would say”… it’s IN the Bible. We need no special doctrine bestowed upon us from the leftist, demigods, talking heads on MSNBC.
Mrs.Toljaso on August 14, 2009 at 9:58 AM
As a Democrat,This Schultz guy is in league with Satan. Better that he speaks from something he knows about in that world.
Jeff from WI on August 14, 2009 at 9:59 AM
You are frighteningly ignorant. I fear for your soul.
Hiya Ciska on August 14, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Jesus: Repent of your sins, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
Obama to elderly: The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand for you, because I’m cutting Medicare benefits.
Jesus: Suffer the little children come unto Me.
Obama: Come unto me, let the little children suffer and die.
With year-long waiting lists to see doctors in Canada, if ObamaCare ever passes here, sick people had better start praying–Jesus will be the only doctor they have left.
Steve Z on August 14, 2009 at 10:00 AM
It’s always questionable when people who regularly mock religion and Christians resort to using WWJD as a club to further their agenda.
They don’t care about what Jesus would think of abortion or homosexuality.
katiejane on August 14, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Illness and dying is part of human life and how we deal with it and other things that are part of life is with our freedom of choice. That life is short as it is in the universal view of things, and that it can be sudden and/or fleeting is what makes it so precious. Why would God (or Jesus) want us to have universal healthcare when he could heal everyone instantaneously and destroy all disease if he so desired?
jbristor on August 14, 2009 at 10:04 AM
It’s hypocritical to see how the left invokes Jesus when it suits them to support Obama. Do they invoke Jesus when it comes to harming little ones? Do they invoke Jesus when it comes to property rights? Do they invoke Jesus when it comes to justice? Do they invoke Jesus when it comes to truth? Did they invoke Jesus when they covered up the picture of Jesus when Obama gave a speech?
ted c on August 14, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Would Jesus want us to have government funded abortions ?
Probably not.
Whatever happened to all that “separation of Church and State” stuff that the Left is so fond of when the word “Creationism” comes up ?
J_Crater on August 14, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Nope. Jesus wants all of us to take personal responsibility for caring for each other. He never talked about turning over that responsibility to the government. I can just see someone meeting with Jesus after they’ve died and being asked if they lived a charitable and compassionate life and responding: I paid my taxes!
Of course, even if you go with the idea that Jesus wants us to have government provided universal healthcare you still have to make the case he’d want a system which will assuredly go bankrupt, provide worse care for the most people, and infringe on personal liberties.
gwelf on August 14, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Why the hell would jesus want universal health care? It would’ve cut into his healing gig. That helped keep him fed according to the books written by other men.
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 10:14 AM
God Bless America .. no, no, no .. God damn Ameri.K.K.Ka
J_Crater on August 14, 2009 at 10:14 AM
And what exactly did Jesus say about homosexuality?
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM
Jesus would want the community to take care of their memebers in need, not the government.
bkm on August 14, 2009 at 10:23 AM
I think I know why you are cranky…you post garbage like this and you get laughed at, and you don’t like it.
Where do I start…
You are saying the Jews were not citizens yet you do know they paid taxes and were expected to follow laws…and some held positions of power. You can’t relate our system of gov. with theirs, and that is the point.
What is that “wrote centuries after” many of the writings, and truly most of them were within decades of his death, some while he was still alive.
Every night, tens of thousands of people are fed, families housed, abused women taken in, hospitals caring…and you state:
And then go on to money going into something else…you have never been to a church, or at least been involved.
Take a trip down and talk to a pastor at a local church, you will be surprised.
Our little church, for the next two weeks, have 16 families we are housing, feeding, clothing, helping get back on their feet. They have a place to stay, which is safe, and the children have a place to play, which is safe. We have a series of interviews for their husbands or moms to find a job.
Our success rate with this program is close to 80% of getting them a job, and onto an place to call home.
This is not unique, but duplicated by thousands of churches.
You have no idea of the resources, time spent for the “least among us”.
Over 1,000 blankets knitted for children by our small knitting guild, my God, the list goes on just from our small church, and it is minor compared to many others in our city.
Pull your head out of your agnostic rear, and find some facts…the faithful in this country is unparalleled in giving.
But you won’t, you would rather mis-represent Christians, then find out the real facts.
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Don’t do it…
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Can you show me the quote?
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 10:29 AM
What’s the matter, all those words in the bible confuses you? What “healing gig” are you talking about, you mean his six or seven, yeah, a regular hospital he was…you guys crack me up, always stretching.
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 10:30 AM
If I show it will you apologize and say that you were wrong and that Jesus Christ is your lord?
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 10:31 AM
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Those are the specific cases you are talking, but I seemed to remember “healing people” in the generic and plural sense throughout the book, or it may have been in the books that didn’t make the vote.
Again, can you enlighten me with a Jesus quote on homosexuality?
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 10:33 AM
just curious…Jesus didn’t specifically say ‘don’t cut a hole in a baby’s head, and suck out the brains’
do you think since He didn’t SPECIFICALLY say that…He’s OK with it???
right4life on August 14, 2009 at 10:36 AM
right4life on August 14, 2009 at 10:36 AM
That’s the answer I was expecting.
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 10:37 AM
and that was the idiotic question I was expecting…
right4life on August 14, 2009 at 10:38 AM
I believe there is a line in the bible about charity that goes something to the effect of “let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing”.
Christian charity is supposed to be voluntary and private, is it not?
Count to 10 on August 14, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Well I guess despite this exchange, we can agree that according to the Bible, Jesus did not put forth an opinion on the matter. Right? Yeah…I’m the idiot.
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 10:45 AM
I guess you didn’t see my challenge:
Otherwise I am just: Matthew 7:6
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 10:50 AM
This coming from one of the angriest hosts on tv. This man should open the bible before asking a retorical question about what Jesus would do.
jawkneemusic on August 14, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Well I gues despite this exchange, we can agree that according to the Bible, I am correct.
“Don’t do it”…
You know if you are wrong, you have to admit it…so best that you skate around the issue.
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Jesus would say “teach a man to fish”.
marklmail on August 14, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Catmman… thank you. and amen to that.
chai on August 14, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Funny how you guys only see what you want…spirtual healing is throughout the bible.
I don’t see anything in this health care about that.
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 10:57 AM
The Lord helps those who help themselves.
If a man does not work, neither shall he eat.
Sounds to me like God/Jesus/Holy Spirit would be against government handouts. But what do I know…I’m just a Christian who actually follows even the parts of the Bible I don’t like to follow.
ynot4tony2 on August 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM
The lefties are right only if everyone pays the identical amount in support of that healthcare, and only if it doesn’t interfere with other healthcare options for any given individual. If someone is required to pay more for the same level of care so that others may pay less, then that is theft by all of those who are not required to pay that identical amount. They have taken the property of their kinsman without just compensation.
Jesus put both the onus of sin and the grace of good deeds into individual terms — individual initiative, just as conservatives put rights into individual terms.
unclesmrgol on August 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Yes Paul, the guy who slaughtered and tortured a bunch of Christians, put forth the Christian position on the matter. Now if you would excuse me, I have to get some pet care tips from Michael Vick.
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM
What’s this supposed to mean? The health care bill is crap, even if Jesus would have wanted it, I still would be against it. Hell even if there was a direct quote on the bill in the bible I’d be against it.
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM
So you will not admit that you are wrong, if you are shown to be wrong?
You demand proof…but then do what with it? Ignore it.
You have been exposed as a fool, only wants to win an argument, but not willing to take the consequences of being wrong.
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Let’s not give the Dems any ideas about putting “spiritual healing” provisions in the bill. I can just imagine what they would put in, starting with Rev. Wright’s theology.
TBenton on August 14, 2009 at 11:05 AM
The challenge was Jesus, not Paul…why do you shift the argument, afraid of the Truth?
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 11:05 AM
+1000
unclesmrgol on August 14, 2009 at 11:05 AM
My question was not what the Christian religion thinks about homosexuality, the question is what Jesus said about homosexuality. Jesus said nothing on the matter, the guy that killed a lot of his early followers made the decision on that matter.
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Paul had his “road to Damascus” moment and repented, as should you.
unclesmrgol on August 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM
I have made this argument several times, and I have never seen anyone bring forth anything that would show that Jesus believed and stated anything but what I stated.
It is not so much that I am right on this, it is what the bible states, and more specifically what Jesus states…without twisting, or taking passages and twisting them to fit an agenda.
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 11:08 AM
And so has Michael Vick.
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Paul didn’t do any of that. Have you even read a Bible?
TMK on August 14, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Do it, Allah.
It’s more important than this.
Disturb the Universe on August 14, 2009 at 11:11 AM
You asked a specific question…and I answered it and you are refuting my answer.
Don’t try to bring in other people, or change the line of reasoning, I am trying to keep you on task…focus.
You asked:And what exactly did Jesus say about homosexuality?
And my answer: Don’t do it.
Don’t try to throw out Paul, or any other person or subject.
I responded to your specific charge.
And when I ask that you apologize if you were wrong…you go off on a tangent, showing us that you won’t admit that you are wrong when challenged.
So what is the purpose if you are found to be wrong, and you won’t admit it?
We might as well be talking to a wall…maybe we are.
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Don’t waste your time, he has shown that even if wrong he won’t admit it.
A man admits when he is wrong…I have not idea what this person is, but he is deathly afraid of being wrong.
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Ok, so Hitler didn’t kill any Jews according to you?
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 11:18 AM
right2bright on August 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM
No, Jesus didn’t say “don’t do it”. He didn’t say anything on the matter.
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Especially so if we pay to murder innocent infant lives in the womb
AND if we get rid of all those expensive old geezers.
Yep, Jesus would definately love this idea.
YOU IDIOT !
stenwin77 on August 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM
I just want to point out that the upshot of all socialist policy is to cause people to rely on government for everything, and that is contrary to what Jesus wanted. Jesus wanted people to rely on God alone.
Also: Considering the whole point of the crusifixion was to allow people to be free from sin, and considering that God gave free choice, knowing that Adam and Eve would eat that stupid fruit, I think it’s safe to say that opposing the health care thing – which eliminates freedom – is entirely consistent with teachings in the Bible.
Plus the entire argument is based on the notion Public Health care would actually help people. I think we’ve seen plenty of evidence otherwise.
If people want to see the uninsured insured, then I suggest they do what the Bible says and use money out of their own pocket to help them, not money out of someone else’s pocket.
MikeJ on August 14, 2009 at 11:24 AM
I can’t belive that Jesus would support a healthcare bill that fails to address tort reform (millions paid to lawyers; little to victims), and includes money for medical school based not on merrits but soley on skin color.
TN Mom on August 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM
if God was truly against the notion of abortion, then, like all the other sins, would be a pretty clear indication that it was a sin.
CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM
That whole “Thou shalt not kill” thing go right over your head, did it?
SKYFOX on August 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Probably. But then Jesus could perform the kind of miracles it would take to make universal health care viable. It’s easy to lose perspective when the immutable laws of the universe don’t apply to you–a point upon which Obama might want to take a day off and reflect.
Blacklake on August 14, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I would say that Universal Health Care is not want Jesus would have wanted, but more so for each of us to take care of each other. This idea that our Government takes the name of Jesus and uses it to force us to do things reminds of the Crusades when people would go out to war and do it in the name of Jesus. I wish that politics and politians would stop invoking the name of Jesus to make points and justify themselves it is what makes it hard for people like me to truly talk to someone about Jesus and who he really was and what he truly taught when all these politians keep using his name for things he would have never supported.
BTW – AllahPundit as a first time commentor I love your posts about religion!
Blackhearteddove on August 14, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Jesus didn’t come to overthrow or re-establish anything the first time around. I have a strong opinion that He wouldn’t force anything on anyone against their will. This, of course, includes universal care.
Actions of charity, faith, kindness etc. have to come out of the heart of the individual (in this case doctors and nurses.) He had plenty to say about when they didn’t.
Ryan Gandy on August 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM
what a disghusting waste of a show
gatorboy on August 14, 2009 at 11:40 AM
I don’t know whether Jesus would have wanted mandatory single-payer government-run universal healthcare (and, full disclosure, I am not a Christian). Having said that, I would imagine that if Jesus did feel strongly on the subject of the importance of instituting mandatory single-payer government-run universal healthcare, he could have mentioned it.
morganfrost on August 14, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Levi,,, since Jesus is God then He actually wrote the bible. The passages that condemn homosexuality thats found in the Old Testament and Romans were written by Paul and Moses. Since Paul was Spirit-Filled then his writings came right from God who is Jesus or the Son of God as some say. The Holy Spirit which all Christians know of know what things are sin and what isn’t.
garydt on August 14, 2009 at 11:49 AM
To my recollection, Jesus never personally said anything about homosexuality. Two points, however:
1 – with an understanding of the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus – he was not only the Son of God, but also ‘with’ God, and ‘was’ God. God clearly sets forth in the Old Testament that homosexuality was a sin (punishable by death in those times, I believe).
2 – with an understanding that the Bible (Old and New) is divinely inspired by God, such that content that is incorrect is not in it, and that the content that is in it is correct, you find New Testament writings – not from Jesus, but from apostles (and again, these writings being divinely inspired) that clearly indicate that homosexual acts are a sin.
So no, you don’t have Jesus himself (New Testament) on record as saying it is a sin. You do have both Old and New Testament statements to that effect, however. So the question is whether you believe the Bible to be the Word of God or not; that answers, imo, what Jesus might feel about homosexuality (not homosexuals, who Jesus would certainly tell us are to be loved, just not their sin – like every other ‘love the sinner, not the sin’ scenario I suppose. :)
Midas on August 14, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Did you have a passage the accuses Paul of “slaughtering and torturing” a bunch of Christians?
TMK on August 14, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Proverbs: 17:10
A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.
That man is one of the biggest foulest fools that I have ever seen. Another reason that lib radio is such a big hit.
jistincase on August 14, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Those darn leftwing Christianist’s.
roux on August 14, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Jesus was not a Marxist. This clown tries to make Christians out to be the bad guy. Clowns like this should not be heard. If you want to mouth off against Christianity, don’t do it from your studio bunker or from your favorite bath house. Do it in public coward. Any network that lets these clowns have air time should be boycotted. Looks like another x catholic yankee pillow biter ho has converted to the atheist religion. NBC has nothing but these gender confused bath house rats on the air.
Jerricho68 on August 14, 2009 at 11:55 AM
if God was truly against the notion of abortion, then, like all the other sins, would be a pretty clear indication that it was a sin.
CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Jesus didn’t speak against the Cubs winning the World Series; but clearly he doesn’t want it to happen.
lorien1973 on August 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Oh goodness, you’re not buying into that bogus number too, are you? ;) Oh wait, didn’t Obama give us a new number north of 50 million earlier this week?
Midas on August 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM
So, to sum up why Ed and the lefties are wrong:
- God is all about free will and choice. Universal Healthcare is about TAKING money from people even if they don’t want to give.
- God emphasized INDIVIDUAL (and voluntary) care of others, not huge, bloated governmental programs.
It should be noted that these are two very basic truths about God that should take anyone about 5 minutes of reading the Bible to figure out.
Thus, anyone pushing this “Jesus would want Obamacare” tripe is basically saying out loud “I’m using Jesus’ name in vain and have no real clue about Christian faith.”
Religious_Zealot on August 14, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Acts 7-8 seem to speak of the topic.
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Even though this is not the most opportune time to bring this up, I must admit that Jesus Christ DID mandate universal health coverage.
The First Ecumenical Council of the then united Christian Church mandated a universal, free health care system as a logical expression of the Christian faith.
BUT, this health care plan in the works now is a nightmare and Christ would NOT endorse it, because it gives free reign to the anti-Christ humanists to mandate that doctors perform abortions and euthanasia.
The descent into communism is happening here at a very fast pace and that is very troubling.
Prime Minister Putin(a convert from atheism to Holy Orthodoxy and who made the Orthodox Church the state Church of Russia), less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK’s Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster.
The American people should heed the wise Prime Minister Putin’s advice and impeach Obama as soon as possible, before Obama completely destroys this country and the freedoms that we currently have.
There is a way to provide health care to all people regardless of income but this plan is not it.
MaximusConfessor on August 14, 2009 at 12:02 PM
How clear do you need God to be?
God clearly sees fetus’ as a human life and God also is very much against the taking of innocent human life.
I’ll just never get these “theologians” who need to have everything spelled out in big block letters in order for them to believe it.
Religious_Zealot on August 14, 2009 at 12:02 PM
I’ll take that as a “no, I’m a stupid idiot who hasn’t a clue what I’m talking about.”
TMK on August 14, 2009 at 12:03 PM
first true thing you’ve said!!
now go back to your homosexual talking points…
uh yeah He did…ever read the OT??? and yes Jesus was around then….sigh….
right4life on August 14, 2009 at 12:07 PM
So how exactly did a thread about health care get hijacked into yet another debate about homosexuality?
-sigh-
Religious_Zealot on August 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Religious_Zealot on August 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Do I even have to state the name of the individual who did it?
kingsjester on August 14, 2009 at 12:13 PM
St Paul was present at the martyrdom of St Stephen, he held the coats of those who stoned him.
Regardless, Lev has no understanding of Christianity so his statements only grasp at strawmen and twist the truth into lies.
The point is; St Paul was judaist when he persecuted the Orthodox Christian saints.
After he met Christ and went to the Apostles to be ordained into the Holy Orthodox Church, he longer persecuted Christians!
LevStrauss is a typical Anti-Christ Humanist; he lacks all critical thinking ability, he is extremely dishonest and bitter,he is definitely mentally unstable and probably violent and dangerous. He won’t bother to learn about christianity but he will pretend that he knows about it from the out of context sound bytes he reads on the Anti-Christ Humanist websites.
MaximusConfessor on August 14, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Do not cast pearls before swine.
Romans34 on August 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Listen, I ask a simple question about something I think is not factual and everybody else tries to get a piece of me as a result. I can’t help that.
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM
No, Jesus would not require federally governed universal health care.
Against the law of judges interpreted in his day, Jesus healed the sick. He did so against the law when people were in need, he responded to their faith even on the sabbath. He did so even when accused of serving Satan. He did so even when those healed forgot to even say thank you. Jesus never asked permission from Rome or from Pilot, or from the Jerusalem Temple Priests or from Rabbis to heal the sick. And of course, Jesus never taxed people to pay for healing. Don’t get moronic with the concept of tithe. Jesus didn’t take the tithing fund. Jesus healed people according to their faith that made them whole.
maverick muse on August 14, 2009 at 12:22 PM
No, it’s the usual suspect.
And, as usual, he’s on a fool’s errand to try to get the Bible to say something different from what it says.
There simply isn’t a scriptural argument FOR homosexual behavior.
Most of the religious left have realized this and has moved on to secular arguments (which have actually been more persuasive to the general public).
Religious_Zealot on August 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Umm, how does taking ghost and magical crap at face value equate to critical thinkning? I am looking at it from a historical perspective, what the people were reported to say. I am not trying to put any words in Jesus’s mouth, I am just stating that he said nothing on the topic. Other people are trying to connect dots, even one who said Jesus was around before he was even born, and sorry but that makes absoultely no sense from a critical thinking perspective. Would my critical thinking be correct if I said that Ancient Greece became a glorious empire due to the favor of Zeus?
LevStrauss on August 14, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Quite right. Anyone who cannot concepualize that a commandment for a man to “cleave to his wife” automatically excludes any other “cleaving” has little hope for grasping the rest.
Or as Nadav and Avihu said, “Eh, fire is fire, right?”
TMK on August 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Like a dog to his vomit, again licking Obama’s bone.
You never corrected your error promoting the false propaganda against conservatives. Allahpundit plays the Obama enabler.
abc news: The Secret Service is investigating a Maryland man who held a sign reading “Death to Obama” and “Death to Michelle and her two stupid kids” outside a town hall meeting this week. And in New Hampshire, another man stood across the street from a Presidential town hall with his gun on full display.
DO TELL who the MD sign man is. For a bet: he’s an Obama plant.
According to the Secret Service, there is not an increase in threats made by citizens against the current presidency compared to Bush’s. According to the Secret Service, the increased threat of danger facing our nation’s leadership is posed by the Department of Homeland Security! The DHS ignore and cut out the Secret Service from performing their duties. The DHS and the SS work under different protocol. The feds are creating the increased threat against the presidency.
Allahpundick added to the Alinsky-mimic denunciation of the peaceable NH open carry state demonstrator who complied with law enforcement officers on the scene. Allahpundick also misquoted his source in order to propagate the fallacious abc slant. Finally, given the ballot choices in 2008, to have voted libertarian is not a crime against humanity nor a sign of insanity as Alinsky-mimics decry.
maverick muse on August 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM
+1000
Or by extension did the two greatest exporters of Christianity, the Brittish and Spanish Empires, crumble because Zeus is actually the God that matters? Or, more likely, does God look at human wars, struggles and nations and chuckle at our complete and utter stupidity.
CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 12:35 PM
The preexistence of Jesus is a pretty central topic in the Bible and Christian faith. See, for example, John 1.
You don’t have to accept it as true, but it is logically consistent that if Jesus is God, with eternal qualities, his existence precedes and follows his mortal life. E.G., “I am the Alpha and the Omega” in Revelation.
cs89 on August 14, 2009 at 12:35 PM
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