MSNBC host: Hey, wouldn’t Jesus want us to have universal health care?
posted at 10:09 pm on August 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
I wanted to write a post on that business industry study showing that the House’s global warming bill will bludgeon the economy, but it’s simply too depressing/enraging after a long week of depression and rage. Have at it in the comments if you can muster the energy. Instead, since we haven’t had a good religion food fight in a while, enjoy stalwart lefty Ed Schultz discovering the joys of faith-based politics. It’s a testament to how vile the left’s rhetoric has become, especially when mouthed by MSNBC’s primetime line-up of demagogues, that this line of attack comes off as comparatively genteel. Although maybe that’s due in part to Schultz’s guests here not barfing up the talking points he’s expecting. Take a page from Olbermann, Ed: Make sure to screen the guests for total ideological conformity before you put them on the air. That way there are no surprises.
My very strong suspicion is that if I posted this on a lefty site, all the Christians there would say yes, of course Jesus wants universal health care. As it is, opinion among Christians here will be unanimous that he doesn’t or that he’d have no opinion (“render unto Caesar,” etc.) Exit question: Aren’t the lefties right?
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Oh for the Love of God.
**FacePALM**
upinak on August 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Tool.
daesleeper on August 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Jesus was a Healer, so…..not so much.
portlandon on August 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM
I think the Biblical thinking is that “GOD helps those that help themselves” – NOT, gimme gimme gimme something for nothing b/c I said so
Ris4victory on August 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Let Huckabee pay for it.
TexasJew on August 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Jesus preached voluntary giving out of love, not stealing from Peter to pay Paul.
bill30097 on August 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Jesus don’t need no universal health care. He can just heal you himself…assuming he wants to of course.
SouthernGent on August 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM
the Rules say that Leftie Wackos cannot talk about Jesus
Janos Hunyadi on August 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM
No, the lefties are dead wrong. You scored it with “render unto Caesar…” Why walk back from it?
sondiehl on August 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Alla – you are a puke.
suzyk on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM
….ummmm…but I thought Obama was “Jesus”, so of course he supports universal health care…
Ozprey on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Libs often confuse Jesus’ admonitions for INDIVIUALS (giving, forgiving) as instructions for governments. WRONG.
itsnotaboutme on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Please, Jesus did not go around healing every sick person.
geckomon on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM
There’s not enough “volunteering” to take care of 47 million uninsured people. What about the Good Samaritan?
Allahpundit on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Mark Levin had excellent audio of “the first and last time you will hear of Ed Smaltz on my show” stating the following:
“The rabid right wing will not be satisfied until President Obama is shot.”
Marcus on August 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM
I can’t claim personal responsibility for helping someone if all I do is let the government steal my money to use as they want.
So the answer to what would Jesus do is nothing. It is up to each individual to determine if and how they want to help anyone.
darwin on August 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Perhaps if we were governed by angels, but last I checked…
kc8ukw on August 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM
A government can’t give. It can only redistribute.
jgapinoy on August 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Exit Question Answer:
I am guessing here and I hope I am not wading into blasphemy…Jesus would say care for the sick should be voluntary and not coerced. It is the intent of the caring rather than the caring.
daesleeper on August 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM
BZUH?
Clearly they have run out of intelligent arguments.
marmaran on August 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM
They ought to take that picture of Ed Schultz and place it in the next issue of Webster’s Dictionary, right next to the definition for the word BLOWHARD.
pilamaye on August 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM
JesusCare:
Jesus:Where does it hurt?
Patient:On my arm.
Jesus:This arm? (touches arm with hands)
Patient:Oh my gosh,….I’m Healed!!! Thank GOD!!!
Jesus:Your welcome. The front desk will have your communion paperwork.
portlandon on August 13, 2009 at 10:14 PM
uh..wait..we have universal health care.
You are sick or injured, you go, or get taken to, the hospital and treated.
Skandia Recluse on August 13, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Schultz lives up to his name. He knooooows nut-ting.
kahall on August 13, 2009 at 10:14 PM
You want God out of schools, courthouses, city halls, capitals,etc but want to throw him in the healthcare debate.
heh
HoustonRight on August 13, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Jesus preached behavior to the individual, not to governments. Nothing He preached can be scaled up from the individual to the state. States don’t go to heaven when they die.
keep the change on August 13, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Bingo
darwin on August 13, 2009 at 10:15 PM
I don’t think Jesus would have a panel of non-doctors deciding if you’re worth the full cancer treatment or if you just get the “pain pills.”
DrAllecon on August 13, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Considering that the lefties consider Obama the messiah it makes sense to me.
Sierraniner on August 13, 2009 at 10:15 PM
They don’t make jews like jesus anymore .
borntoraisehogs on August 13, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Isn’t “Jesus” just code for “Obama” anyway?
Spirit of 1776 on August 13, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Allah Akbar -pleeeease don’t print that there are 47million uninsured Americans – 25% of that number are friggin illegals – ugggggg, am I really expected to work hard 50 weeks a year for freeloaders?
Ris4victory on August 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM
I guess next Schultz will be telling us that Jesus is for partial birth abortion.
xblade on August 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM
I hate it when you Christ-haters decide to weigh in on what Christ would or would not do. You don’t believe so why do you keep coming back and challenging those of us with faith? Having doubts about your own beliefs???
Christ would have preached looking out for one another. He would not have supported a plan that calls for abortion or death panels because every life is precious and to abort unborn life or kill off old people is immoral.
highhopes on August 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM
My question to Schultz is how much does he give … to anyone or anything.
darwin on August 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM
The left isn’t right, because that would be conceeding the false maxim that “universal” care is more beneficial than a market based system. When in fact, it will depreciate the care for everyone else. It is as Churchill said, the “equal sharing of misery.”
V15J on August 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Jesus would want this turd to STFU.
JammieWearingFool on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Jesus wasn’t an insurance salesman. (Though I can see how to an atheist he might appear so)
Spirit of 1776 on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Hey wait a minute.
I thought we were supposed to keep our rosaries off our ovaries.
Lily on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
The first thing you can be certain is, when lefties ask rhetorical question regarding Jesus Christ it is to use Jesus Christ as a bludgeon to achieve their agenda.
The second thing you can be certain of is, that they don’t have any idea of what the genuine meaning behind whatever situation they use in their rhetorical question actually means.
doriangrey on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
OTOH, isn’t Obama Jesus according to these nitwits?
JammieWearingFool on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
You mean the Ed Shultz that says conservative broadcasters want Obama shot?
AP, I don’t know why you’re even bothering to legitimize that asshole by giving him time here. Best thing to do to pricks like him is to ignore them.
BacaDog on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
In addition to my previous point, the public option still won’t cover all Americans. So if we accept Ed’s assertion, the Dems plan is still not Christ-like.
V15J on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
AMEN!! And don’t forget to take HIM off currency – but until then, they will still take the cash.
Ris4victory on August 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
What would Gaia do?
Bishop on August 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Heres how Jesus would handle this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXz1Qx01mQQ&feature=related
canopfor on August 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM
The atheist liberals using religion for health care.
Must be some kind of Alinsky rule.
After all, Alinsky dedicated his book to the devil.
cubachi on August 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM
HEY ALLAH PUNDIT:
HERE IS YOUR QUOTE OF THE DAY:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/08/13/liberal_talker_ed_schultz_conservatives_want_obama_to_get_shot.html
Marcus on August 13, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Bwwwaaahaha! Then it’s probably racist too.
29Victor on August 13, 2009 at 10:19 PM
There doesn’t have to be. Over half of those 47 million can take care of the insurance themselves. Giving money to people for something they won’t spend their own on doesn’t make you a good samaritan….it makes you a sucker.
xblade on August 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Not sure Jesus did have an opinion on the matter…he seemed to leave these kinds of things up to prayer.
Oh..sorry, I thought you meant Jesus of Nazareth..not Jesus of Chicago…got our wires crossed there. Oh sure, the sweet baby Obama-Jesus is definitely for the public plan…case closed.
AUINSC on August 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM
God says that to deny him in front of man, well, ummmm, he will deny YOU in front of his father. Is it really worth the chance?
Your money has God’s name on it – please don’t take it if you do not believe in the creator. Live what you preach.
Ris4victory on August 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Not a puke, just lazy. By his own admission it was too depressing to post about the business aspects of Obamacare so why not bash Christ instead? Far easier to do and with more posts.
highhopes on August 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
This is the same Ed Schultz who says Conservatives “want Obama to get shot.” So I guess Jesus also wants blood libels from fat, ignorant, hate-spewing, no-name, leftwing talk show hosts who are bitter and raging because they have no brain and no audience.
Rational Thought on August 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
What would Darwin do?
Bishop on August 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Yes, Christ was all about turning control of your life to the powers of this world………….
/sarc.
Techie on August 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Hey Ed, wouldn’t Jesus like for me to stick my foot up your ass? Me thinks so. While I’m at it, let me just add that Jesus would also like for Obama’s voters to get up off their asses and get a job that provides healthcare. How about that Eddie?
NathanG on August 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
That sounds like something Bill Kristol, Mike Huckabee or George W. Bush would say.
The Dean on August 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Ed Schultz, Jesus wants you to STFU!!
JohnGalt23 on August 13, 2009 at 10:22 PM
No!
Jesus would want us to pray and heal ourselves with the power of the holy ghost! Amen. Just like that kid that just died because the father decided to thump his bible and pray for a miracle instead of taking his dying child to the doctor.
Now he’s in prison for homicide LOL amen brother!
::prays::
welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:22 PM
+7%……..
Seven Percent Solution on August 13, 2009 at 10:22 PM
So,the Socialists are making a little room,for Jesus,as they
worship in the Temple of the Leftys,and pray at the Alter
of Liberalism!!!!!!!!!!!
Godless,Gutless,and Shameless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on August 13, 2009 at 10:22 PM
A very interesting question, AP. And the enswer is – NO. Jesus would want us to provide health care for those who cannot provide it for themselves, and whose families are unable to provide it for them; such as the disabled and poor, and the aged and poor. Mercy and compassion for the helpless.
As for the parasites, well…
jaime on August 13, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Give me a break. The only other time this tool says Jesus is when he realizes that although he’s already zipped up, he’s still peeing.
Patrick S on August 13, 2009 at 10:23 PM
59 comments?
Hey! thats more viewers than the dude gets on tv.
joey24007 on August 13, 2009 at 10:23 PM
What if we cut the number down by a third if we sent the illegals home?
BPD on August 13, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Jesus would have wanted us all to look out for and help each other, but he certainly wouldn’t advocate us to rely on the government for any of our needs.
yogi41 on August 13, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Pull up your pants you IQ is showing
HoustonRight on August 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Good point AllahP makes though…the left uses religion like most people use a public toilet…he, I’ve got to take care of business and this is mighty convenient…
AUINSC on August 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Welcome_Ghosts:
God is the creator and father of science and all things physical – you are correct; prayer alone is foolish to save a sick child – that father should have taken advantage of life saving medical science, in addition to his prayers, to save his child. Foolish man – now the child is gone. Sorrowful. He deserves prison.
Ris4victory on August 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM
“Taking care” of the uninsured would be an ancillary goal for Christ, so not achieving perfect coverage is not an issue just as curing Poverty or Sickness or Suffering in a general sense is not an issue. The primary goal is always making disciples.
Lehosh on August 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Christians have no moral obligation to play crack the whip with health care.
If this guy is a tool, he’s dragged down the standards for the whole shed.
applebutter on August 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM
You know the left is in trouble when they start invoking Jesus.
Remember when they were all saying “Jesus was a community organizer?”
Yeeesh.
American Glob
American Glob on August 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Gee, if Jesus had only become a Roman citizen, then all his health-care worries would have been at an end. Because, after all, isn’t that what all good lefties want…an empire/monarchy/socialist state? All good things in life come from a caring leader with the power…the power to do good things…because that’s who can really take care of us.
Oops…oh yeah…they also had the power to simply kill him ’cause they wanted to.
/s
cranbone on August 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM
American Glob on August 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Remember when “Jesus was born to a single, homeless woman?”
29Victor on August 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Jesus would be for universal care because he could just heal everybody! Maybe that’s Barry’s plan!
ronsfi on August 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM
My husband and I take care of ours. We are responsible for their needs. Would you have me be responsible for your child?
TXMomof3 on August 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM
For some reason I picture you as one of the guys with the billy clubs pushing the people onto the train cars destined for re-education camps.
Or the Bun guy at WeinerSchnitzel.
portlandon on August 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Ed Schultz, when you pray to Jesus next time, just ask him. You can even interview him. Let us know what you find out.
faraway on August 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM
The Good Samaritan helped a man who was set upon by robbers, couldn’t help himself, and had no family near by.
Jesus did not say that the Good Samaritan had the obligation to hand his money over to the government so they could dole it out to their cronies.
Lily on August 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM
God is a fictional character from a fictional book called the bible.
So no, I don’t give a rats ass what he thinks about health care because he only exists in the funny pages.
I stop believing in this crap a long time ago… probably around the time I stopped believing in santa.
TimeTraveler on August 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Jesus wants us FREE!!!!
mobydutch on August 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM
More to the point for Schultz: What would Barack do?
applebutter on August 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM
The 47 million people are very much mostly not sick.
See if you can restrain that jerky left knee of yours.
Stephen M on August 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM
I am not a fully faithfully practicing Christian…a Roman Catholic here, with all the faults and shortcomings that go with the territory…
That said,
So Ed Schultz is wanting to cite Jesus to make a claim that universal health care is Christian? That wouldn’t Jesus want us to have universal health care?
OK…he opened the door.
Now, about government-paid abortions provisions contained within the legislation?
Not something Jesus would be out there on the front lines supporting.
End of life counseling? Likewise…really can’t imagine Christ being part and parcel to that, either.
As to State-controlled universal health care?
Not a Jesus thing, either.
“Love one another”…requires direct, person to person rendering of comfort, aid, compassion, assistance, one one’s own volition…and that is the point…direct person to person involvement. It is hard, It is difficult, It is an inconvenience…and that is how is it done. Being a real Christian or living Christ-like life, even if not Christian, is a tough row to hoe. But if it were easy…what’s the point?
Whatsoever we do for the least of our brethren…us…individuals…not some massive government program…a bureaucracy can no more obtain the Kingdom than a camel walk through the eye of a needle or something like that…
Have yet to see any teaching of Christ state that we should become slaves of the state to gain Salvation. It does indeed go beyond “render to Caesar…and to God what is God’s.”
So, Reverend Ed Schultz…take your false Gospel and try to sell it somewhere else.
coldwarrior on August 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Ugh. Just had this argument with the socialist that I work with.
I referred him to 2nd Thessalonians 3:6 – 15 just because it’s fun to watch his face turn purple.
Oh Mercy on August 13, 2009 at 10:29 PM
ALINSKY RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
faraway on August 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM
wg is still here?
FontanaConservative on August 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Are we to believe that 47 million people all get sick at the same time and so there isn’t enough people to take care of them?
Whose arse did we pull this 47 million number from anyway? Smells like Axelroid. Are we too stupid to reject the LibSpeak premise?
Should we surrender to the Russians cause Jesus said turn the other cheek? Is that where we are headed?
Jesus rode a donkey so cars are bad?
Geochelone on August 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Maybe, just maybe, more so because Ogabe apparently prays everyday for God’s help (something he shares in common with that American Taliban George Dubya).
Perhaps instead of praying, Ogabe should ask Congress to create a law which mandates nationalized spiritual guidance, funded by taxpayers of course.
Bishop on August 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Jesus said, “The poor will always be with us.” The apostles were given the responsibility of caring for the poor, but He didn’t give them the responsibility of paying all of their bills, providing them with universal health care, etc. It’s amazing how people bring Jesus into an argument when they’ve tried everything else.
ramblingirl on August 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Your point is still just as valid even if you take out the “God is the creator and father of science and all things physical – you are correct” part.
Just saying. Good rational point, though.
Weren’t the teachings of Christ all about humility and caring for your fellow human being, regardless of their circumstances? Even if you take the religious aspects out, that’s the stance that socially liberal people are inclined to take – help out the poor and disregard the self for the good of the whole. The conservative says “Free Market!” and those who don’t make the cut – financially or otherwise – are left out in the cold.
welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM
So does that mean you are buying into the premise of 47 million uninsured people, regardless of how many times it is debunked?
Considering the hospitals charge three bucks for an asprin I am pretty sure the health care of the uninsured is already factored into our bill.
Cindy Munford on August 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM
29Victor
“Remember when “Jesus was born to a single, homeless woman?”
Yeah, it was funny how the “single” part became a liability only where Bristol Palin was concerned.
American Glob on August 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM
This.
And I imagine that Jesus would advise that the state of a person’s “eternal health-care” as it were (pardon the cheesy pun) was far more important than of that for our earthly state, but I somehow doubt you would encourage us start a proselytizing campaign to the 47 million uninsured.
Honestly, I don’t think any Christian can say for certain that Jesus would not be for it, but the “render unto Caesar” rule is what would probably apply.
BakerAllie on August 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Wow…………Jesus said “let the little children come unto me”, whats this guys view on abortion I wonder?
proudteadrinker on August 13, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Who is this Ogabe fellow? Is that some code used by dirty greasmonkeys like yourself?
simplesimon on August 13, 2009 at 10:32 PM
“Thou shalt not covet they neighbors goods” was one of the Ten Commandments. If I’m not mistaken, forcing people who have more to pay more, because you see that they have more, is doing just that. “Sharing the wealth” is coveting and, no, Jesus wouldn’t like that.
This health care bill is forced on us.
gina4 on August 13, 2009 at 10:33 PM
“These Christian leaders need to get engaged and support a Christian president on the public option.”
Far be it for me to question someone’s faith, but last time I checked, after 6 months in office, Barry has yet to select a church to attend in the DC area. So maybe he’s not much of a Christian after all.
Ohh and another thing, Mr Ed, AKA Horse Face, I fail to see the compassion in pushing legislation that would deny the elderly and terminally ill the care they deserve.
Nice try loser.
barrythrowslikeagirl on August 13, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Robert Mugabe
welcome_ghosts on August 13, 2009 at 10:33 PM
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