MSNBC host: Hey, wouldn’t Jesus want us to have universal health care?

posted at 10:09 pm on August 13, 2009 by Allahpundit

I wanted to write a post on that business industry study showing that the House’s global warming bill will bludgeon the economy, but it’s simply too depressing/enraging after a long week of depression and rage. Have at it in the comments if you can muster the energy. Instead, since we haven’t had a good religion food fight in a while, enjoy stalwart lefty Ed Schultz discovering the joys of faith-based politics. It’s a testament to how vile the left’s rhetoric has become, especially when mouthed by MSNBC’s primetime line-up of demagogues, that this line of attack comes off as comparatively genteel. Although maybe that’s due in part to Schultz’s guests here not barfing up the talking points he’s expecting. Take a page from Olbermann, Ed: Make sure to screen the guests for total ideological conformity before you put them on the air. That way there are no surprises.

My very strong suspicion is that if I posted this on a lefty site, all the Christians there would say yes, of course Jesus wants universal health care. As it is, opinion among Christians here will be unanimous that he doesn’t or that he’d have no opinion (“render unto Caesar,” etc.) Exit question: Aren’t the lefties right?

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For I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’

And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

Matthew 25:35-40

“But since you’re so up on these things, what does God have to say about man’s righteousness?

fronclynne on August 15, 2009 at 2:21 AM”

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’

Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’

Matthew 25:41-45

MaximusConfessor on August 15, 2009 at 2:50 AM

Schultz is such a douche. Would Jesus support union thugs silencing the debate?

TopLawyer on August 15, 2009 at 3:08 AM

Since when did the left decide this was a Christian nation?

…make up your minds!

CONFUSION & HYPOCRISY!

Teebone3 on August 15, 2009 at 4:30 AM

Exit question: Aren’t the lefties right?

I’ve really only skimmed the comments, but I’m sure this point has been made already. However, I think it’s an important one that bears repeating:

As a Christian, yes I do believe that society as a whole ought to provide a safety net so that the poorest and least fortunate among us do not get utterly screwed over the care of their health.

However, that does not mean I believe that the proposed Obamacare system is the best, or most desirable, or even workable way to go about it.

SteakRules on August 15, 2009 at 4:43 AM

Wasn’t it Jesus who said to the rich young ruler to “Go, sell everything you have, and give it to Caeser and hope that he will give some to the poor after he has taken his cut and passed it through endless bureaucracies, and come and follow me.”?

Wasn’t it Jesus who said, “You will not be judged by how you have treated the poor yourself, but whether you appealled to Caeser to raise taxes on you neighbors so that maybe some of it may be used to treat the poor.”?

JML46 on August 15, 2009 at 5:19 AM

I was with my family today and my dad who is as liberal as they come, was talking to my sister who is also very liberal; they started talking about the health care debate and, my sister said she knew someone at her work who’s family was on the public plan in the uk.
Her father had to wait 6 months for a operation, and apparently she was still bitter about it.

My dad said that that was just an anolmaly. My sister answered that it was happening all the time over there. That that was the way it worked. He went silent.
I was practically stunned listening to this. My sister who is almost 40, sounded like a conservative, and she can’t stand conservatives. But she was saying to my ultra-lib dad it’s a good thing this health care bill is failing.

I stayed out of the talk because I just wanted to see the trainwreck in motion. To think that a lib like her would hear from someone she works with that this is a disaster, it sure was something to see my 70 year old dad at a loss to defend it.
Hell, she could have been a caller into a right wing radio show. That’s saying something, lemme tell ya.

B Man on August 15, 2009 at 6:13 AM

Actually I think that Jesus is more concerned about Ed Schulz’s salvation.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 15, 2009 at 6:51 AM

Wouldn’t Jesus want you to do something of your own accord and not because other people think you should? Plus, like welfare, wouldn’t this just breed SLOTH and GREED … oh you know just a couple of the Deadly Sins? You know due to the exploitation that would be abound.

scrubbiedude on August 15, 2009 at 7:49 AM

Let’s be honest.

There ARE many,many great charitable programs run by the government.Charity cannot be only private.

Do some of you really think that Christ God would want us to get rid of HUD and all of the many entitlement programs and charitable programs that help so many people who truly need it?

MaximusConfessor on August 14, 2009 at 10:30 PM

The Bible tells us that God hates dishonest scales. He isn’t pleased with good things done in ungodly manner.

jimmy2shoes on August 15, 2009 at 8:39 AM

Ed Shultz talking about Jesus like this should earn him 2 lightning bolts.
1 to start the job and another to be sure.

B Man on August 15, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Has MSNBC reported on this yet?

Students, teachers and local pastors are protesting over a court case involving a northern Florida school principal and an athletic director who are facing criminal charges and up to six months in jail over their offer of a mealtime prayer.

There have been yard signs, T-shirts and a mass student protest during graduation ceremonies this spring on behalf of Pace High School Principal Frank Lay and school athletic director Robert Freeman, who will go on trial Sept. 17 at a federal district court in Pensacola for breaching the conditions of a lawsuit settlement reached last year with the American Civil Liberties Union.

“I have been defending religious freedom issues for 22 years, and I’ve never had to defend somebody who has been charged criminally for praying,” said Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, the Orlando-based legal group that is defending the two school officials.

An ACLU official said the school district has allowed “flagrant” violations of the First Amendment for years.

“The defendants all admitted wrongdoing,” said Daniel Mach, director of litigation for its freedom of religion program. “For example, the Pace High School teachers handbook asks teachers to ‘embrace every opportunity to inculcate, by precept and example, the practice of every Christian virtue.’ ”

The fight involving the ACLU, the school district and several devout Christian employees began last August when the ACLU sued Santa Rosa County Schools on behalf of two students who had complained privately to the group’s Florida affiliate, claiming some teachers and administrators were allowing prayers at school events such as graduations, orchestrating separate religiously themed graduation services, and “proselytizing” students during class and after school.

In January, the Santa Rosa County School District settled out of court with the ACLU, agreeing to several things, including a provision to bar all school employees from promoting or sponsoring prayers during school-sponsored events; holding school events at church venues when a secular alternative was available; or promoting their religious beliefs or attempting to convert students in class or during school-sponsored events.

Mr. Staver said the district also agreed to forbid senior class President Mary Allen from speaking at the school’s May 30 graduation ceremony on the chance that the young woman, a known Christian, might say something religious.

“She was the first student body president in 33 years not allowed to speak,” he said. [END]

Land of the free? Not so much. I mean, we should change the national anthem to something we can actually live up to, like, “If You Seek Amy.”

Akzed on August 15, 2009 at 9:15 AM

There’s Hollywood’s version of the Bible,, there is the left’s version, there is the right’s version,, and then there is the Bible.
Jesus changed the world,, not because he was a Jessie Jackson or a Jerry Falwell!
He was God in flesh! Most of the religious people hated him! Not all, but most!
Most of the political leaders hated him! Not all, but most!
There were sick people He healed that never followed him! There were probably a lot of poor people that spit on Him and pulled out His beard as he carried His cross!
He ate dinner with rich tax collectors (IRS) and defended a prostitute! He said that a Roman military officer, who owned a slave (which Jesus healed!) had displayed greater faith than He had seen in all of Jerusalem! (Luke 7:1-10)
There are lots of promises in the Bible. They are promises for all. And many promises come with a warning, and a “if” “and” or “but!”
God is many things, He is love, mercy, kind,,, but He is also just and judge!
Here is where
God’s heart is on justice!
From Exodus 23:

“You shall not pervert the justice due to your needy brother in his dispute. “Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent or the righteous, for I will not acquit the guilty.

“You shall not bear a false report; do not join your hand with a wicked man to be a malicious witness. “You shall not follow the masses in doing evil, nor shall you testify in a dispute so as to turn aside after a multitude in order to pervert justice; nor shall you be partial to a poor man in his dispute.

“You shall not take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the clear-sighted and subverts the cause of the just.

I think the Dems need to be careful if they want to start asking “What would Jesus Do?” Here is an example of God’s heart on taxes. God wanted each Israelite to give Him an offering,,, but he wanted each to give the same. whether poor or rich. Does this mean God is in favor of a flat tax???
From Exodus 30:

The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD,

If God wanted all to pay the same as an offering,,, if He did not want people to show partiality to the poor or to the rich,,, then our whole tax system is immoral!
So yeah,, lets start doing what God would want!
Matt. 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

JellyToast on August 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM

Schultz is like his namesake character on Hogan’s Heroes…

HE KNOWS NOTHING…NOTHING!

BobAnthony on August 15, 2009 at 9:32 AM

To the leftys (Marxists), this is a Christian nation when it suits their purposes.

But the rest of the time, SHUT UP!

SagebrushPuppet on August 15, 2009 at 9:59 AM

As a Christian, yes I do believe that society as a whole ought to provide a safety net so that the poorest and least fortunate among us do not get utterly screwed over the care of their health.

SteakRules on August 15, 2009 at 4:43 AM

Problem:
How do you qualify who the “poorest and least fortunate” are?
For years my mother picked up the slack for a useless son-in-law, my sister, and their 3 kids. The lazy mooch never made an attempt to get his tailbone off the couch and get a job. Last straw, I stopped my mother from facilitating his and her dependent behavior.

Next, they became welfare, medicaid, and food stamp thieves — supplimented by church do-gooders who brought all sorts of items at every possible opportunity. Bottom-line the parents didn’t have to work to survive, feed, clothe, or educate their kids. Therefore they remained dependent slugs, drinking booze, smoking dope, and crapping on their and their kid’s future — all while consuming the charity provided by the public and private “safety net” . Today, 10years after, the father and 2 boys are convicted felons in jail, the 3rd child is knocked-up again, and remains on welfare, food stamps, etc etc! My sister is now a total dipsomaniac! Our progressive society has created 10s of millions of these parasites who suck the lifeblood out of our nation, all in the name of a charitable safety net. The liberal statista are the enablers of our doom!

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on August 15, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Maximus- yes ahole you should help your brother

CONS are more charitable

fact

CWforFreedom on August 15, 2009 at 10:10 AM

MaximusConfessor on August 15, 2009

So you wish to force charity at the end of a gun

Would jesus hold that gun

You are a complete nut job

CWforFreedom on August 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Does this guy believe the crap he just spewed out? Doctors and healthcare workers shouldnt be paid for their work? Did he get paid for his rant? Unbelievable!

And to say Jesus wants government controlled healthcare in the USA is absurd! Maybe Jesus would like the leftists in this country to stop attacking religion?

WyoMike on August 15, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Render unto ceasar that which belongs to ceasar…

trouble is, ceasar don’t own sh1t. It belongs to US.

Ceasar can go pound salt.

Spiritk9 on August 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM

As a Christian, yes I do believe that society as a whole ought to provide a safety net so that the poorest and least fortunate among us do not get utterly screwed over the care of their health.

SteakRules on August 15, 2009 at 4:43 AM

But that goes COUNTER to Christ’s teachings.

Christ did not speak about societies and governments – He spoke about individual salvation and responsibility.

And He also spoke about freedom of choice. Thus anything that FORCED people to help would be fundamentally UN-Christian.

If a group of like-minded people got together to pool their resources to help the poor – then that would be fine and in keeping with basic Christian doctrine.

But as soon as you assign a higher power (government) to take care of it and then add in that people have no CHOICE in whether to help out or not…

…well now you’ve just gone outside of Christ’s teachings.

Religious_Zealot on August 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Yeah,,, if we could just get Jesus to come out of heaven and just say “I like Obama’s health care plan!” and then just go back and leave us alone,, boy that would be so cool!
Yeah… if only Jesus were stupid and just a little puppet on a string. Like,,, Jesus won’t care about the death panels, about the government funded abortions,, about the confiscatory taxation, about the rationing of care, about people dying while waiting for their operations,, about people just getting “a pain pill instead of the surgery,” about the whole takeover of a private industry,, about all the lying that is going on from congress and this President.
Yeah,,, if Jesus would just come back and if these Christian leaders would just speak out,, if they’d just ignore all of our sin,, all of the babies we have slaughtered through abortion and all the babies we want to continue to slaughter through government paid abortions,, if Jesus and these leaders would just ignore all our lies, our theft, our blasphemy, if they would just ignore all of the misery and suffering we have wrought on this nation,, all the divorce and porn we have pushed,, if we could just get Jesus and these Christian leaders to agree we need a government paid health care plan and then just go away and leave us be,,, that would be so great!

JellyToast on August 15, 2009 at 1:38 PM

This person shows his ignorance of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Bible.

Bodily healing is provided for in the atonement completed in Christ at the cross at Calvary. See Isaiah 53:4-5, Matthew 8:16-17, and 1 Peter 2:24. An excellent book on the topic is Bodily Healing and the Atonement by Dr. T. J. McCrossan.

Being a Spirit-filled Christian I rely upon the atonement all the time. It works great. It has saved me from having surgical work on my gums and knees.

Jesus has already provided health care for believers, so ObamaCare is irrelevant. What God provides the world through Jesus Christ comes through His sacrifice at Calvary, not through governmental programs. That is why you never see Jesus advocating any type of governmental systems in the Bible.

It is time that liberals come to grips with the fact that they do not understand the gospel of Jesus Christ, and therefore should stop making such ludicrous statements such as those given in this video.

MeAlice on August 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM

I Tim 5 :18
“The laborer is worthy of his wages.”

JellyToast on August 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Religious_Zealot on August 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

That’s not true.

The Bible mentions that the leaders of governments are put into power by God.

Every day in the Orthodox Church we pray for them.

Let us pray for the peace of the world.

refrain after every sentence: (Lord have mercy)

And for pious and Orthodox Christians and every Christian.
And for our Metropolitan (_) and all our brotherhood in Christ

And for the President of these United States and all the civil authorities of this land.

And for the welfare of our armed forces.

And for all of our fathers mothers and brethren absent from among us.

And for those who hate us and those who love us.

And for those who are kind to us and minister unto us.
And for those who request our prayers unworthy though we be.
And for the deliverance of captives and travelers by land and sea and air.
And for those who lie in sickness.
Let us pray also for abundance of the fruits of the earth. And the soul of every Orthodox Christian and every Christian.
Let us bless God fearing leaders, Orthodox bishops,the founders of this Holy Church and all of our parents and teachers.
All of our fathers mothers and brethren gone before us,the Orthodox who here and everywhere lie asleep in the Lord. Let us also say for ourselves.
Lord have mercy Lord have mercy Lord have mercy.
Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto the ages of ages amen.

MaximusConfessor on August 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM

MaximusConfessor on August 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM

I noticed that you stray away from the fact that forced charity is not charity at all and in fact a form of theft.
You sound like a brain dead sheep. Why would I care what prayer you say?

You seem to forget the Golden Rule . And what about that separation of Church and state thing?

Again would Jesus bring a gun to my door to make me pay my taxes? Would he spend the money on abortions?

CWforFreedom on August 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Robert Reich explains all …

Mainly because there’s still no healthcare plan. All we have are some initial markups from several congressional committees, which differ from one another in significant ways. The White House’s is waiting to see what emerges from the House and Senate before insisting on what it wants, maybe in conference committee.

Obamas tactics are an attempt “to bamboozle you, to hoodwink you”

J_Crater on August 15, 2009 at 4:38 PM

That’s not true.

MaximusConfessor on August 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM

You know, it’s very, very difficult to carry on a conversation with you when every reply you give has absolutely NOTHING to do with the post you are replying to.

Your reply did not disprove ANYTHING in my post.

Which would seem to indicate you really have no real idea what you’re talking about.

Religious_Zealot on August 15, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Religious_Zealot on August 15, 2009 at 10:13 PM

+ 1

CWforFreedom on August 15, 2009 at 11:43 PM

I’ve been a Christian for a long time, and I have studied the Bible for quite a while now…

…No where do I see Jesus wanting people to be forced to do ANYTHING for the public’s good, and that’s really what the idea of universal health care entails, isn’t it?

Give of your own free will, or don’t give at all. That is the will of Jesus. Be a joyous giver… or do not give at all.

Because with Christ it was always a HEART thing rather than a MONEY thing.

Daddy-O on August 16, 2009 at 12:15 AM

I would think the first thing Jesus would do, would be to throw all the lawyers out of the temple, er, hospital.

Tort reform and cost reduction first!

If we’re going to be playing the “what would Jesus do” game, I’m thinking he’d go for cost controls first ’cause in his day the primary building block of most societies in the Mediterranean basin was the paterfamilias. Its daddy’s cash we’re talking about here and he would have respected that.

Off topic, but would Jesus have supported a materwhatevah? Gay marriage? Disco?

dingbat on August 16, 2009 at 11:46 AM

would Jesus support the wholesale slaughter of millions of the weakest among us? to you liberal pieces of scat that means abortion.

huckelberry on August 16, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Are they serious? The pro-abortion crowd is trying to talk about Jesus’ view on healthcare?

Look, liberals, if healthcare is a “right”, then why not extend it to unborn children?

Texas Rainmaker on August 19, 2009 at 8:28 AM

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