Jobless claims jump, retail sales fall
posted at 12:45 pm on August 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
If Barack Obama hoped that improving economic indicators would rescue his health-care plan, he will have to wait for at least another week to make that case. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that initial jobless claims increased last week to 558,000, up 4,000 from the previous week and 13,000 more than analysts predicted. The continuing massive job losses show that the economy still has a long way to go to reach the corner-turning point (via Instapundit and HA reader Desmond L):
The Labor Department says new claims increased to a seasonally adjusted 558,000, from 554,000 the previous week. Analysts expected new claims to drop to 545,000, according to Thomson Reuters.
The number of people remaining on the benefit rolls fell to 6.2 million from 6.34 million the previous week. Analysts had expected a slight decline.
The four-week average of initial claims, which smooths out fluctuations, rose by 8,500 to 565,000, after falling for six straight weeks.
The decline on the rolls results from the expiration of benefits, however, and not a new hiring impulse in the marketplace. With business shedding over a half-million jobs every week and now starting to rise again, the prospect for new jobs in any significant number looks bleak for the near term.
The retail numbers for July underscores that pessimism:
Retail sales outside of autos turned in a disappointing performance in July, underscoring concerns about the timing and durability of a recovery from the worst recession since World War II.
The Commerce Department said Thursday that retail sales fell 0.1 percent last month. Economists had expected a gain of 0.7 percent.
While autos, helped by the start of the Cash for Clunkers program, showed a 2.4 percent jump — the biggest in six months — there was widespread weakness elsewhere. Gasoline stations, department stores, electronics outlets and furniture stores all reported declines.
The Fed tried talking about a recovery yesterday, and the Obama administration has been salivating at the prospect of getting some good economic news. Instead, we seem to be stuck in a rut. While Germany and France have both shown GDP growth in Q2, the US economy declined an additional 1% in the same period. Unemployment began to slow a little earlier in the summer, but appears to be regaining its downward momentum again.
Why? The radical policies of the Obama administration has capital sidelined for the most part. Investors who saw the White House’s bullying tactics with GM and Chrysler bondholders have little incentive to jump into American markets. Those who see the coming takeovers of the health-care and energy-production sectors have no reason to invest in either. And with energy prices about to explode through the imposition of cap-and-trade, who would want to sink their money into start-ups and expansions now?
As long as Democrats insist on shoving radical, business-hostile legislation through Congress, expect this fibrillating stagnation in the American economy.









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Speaking of Tired libs, anyone catch Pat Caudell on Hannity last night? He really seems close to having his “road to Damascus” moment.
hawksruleva on August 13, 2009 at 1:09 PM
This is the job growth Afrolib refers to.
Guardian on August 13, 2009 at 1:09 PM
I’m one of the unemployed and so are a great number of my friends and family. I’m curious how democrats expect to win elections when their constituents can’t find work.
Eisenhorn on August 13, 2009 at 1:10 PM
So the guys who are telling us that the recession is over are the same guys who keep overshooting on their market predictions? That’s comforting.
Tonus on August 13, 2009 at 1:10 PM
When Michigan’s unemployment rate dips below 15% then perhaps we can say we’ve turned a corner.
highhopes on August 13, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Here arm yourself with knowledge troll. Like OMG those scary websites have like numbers and squiggly lines on graphs and stuff…
nevertheless, people like you should read up on them so you can explain them to your dear leader.
http://market-ticker.org/
http://www.zerohedge.com/
Oh and this “recovering” economy is actually tracking worse than the Great Depression.
Tale of two depressions
Pesky numbers must be racist or something.
elduende on August 13, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Looks like Afrolib did a hit and run. Rahm is that you?
sandee on August 13, 2009 at 1:11 PM
I know. I work for a school district, so nobody’s immune right now. Relative to other sectors of the economy though, education and health care are doing the best. Which just goes to show how badly the rest of it must be sucking at the moment.
Doughboy on August 13, 2009 at 1:11 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/6018076/RBS-uber-bear-issues-fresh-alert-on-global-stock-markets.html
Vashta.Nerada on August 13, 2009 at 1:11 PM
The uptick in the market over the last few weeks is just that. With our dept being monetized and if Congress ok’s Geitner’s request to increase our deficit ceiling we are on our way to Carter like inflation.
Just around the corner is the commercial real estate crisis. With all the doors closing and all of these companies downsizing there will be less demand for space. What does this have to do with me you ask. As companies close doors competition is diminished. So that alone can trigger price increases. Add to that too much money in the market and you get run away inflation.
Enjoy this short so called recovery, and not to be pessimistic, but hang on the ride will very bumpy.
HoustonRight on August 13, 2009 at 1:12 PM
I spent $5000 on a down payment when I took advantage of Cash-4-Clunkers and bought a new car. What do they think? I can hold up this economy by myself?!!!
Bicyea on August 13, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Exactly HH!
elduende on August 13, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Impossible!!
Katie Kouric told me that due to the brilliant cash for clunkers program, I was to party like it’s 1999 since that solved everything.
angryed on August 13, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Smart Dog
ChristianRock on August 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Smart dog for sure.
fourdeucer on August 13, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Stripping Cash for Clunkers cars perhaps?
CBP on August 13, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Even though retired and out of the chase I watch the metals closely. Copper, gold, silver, and platinum mainly.
Copper and gold numbers are telling me a lot, coupled with the drops in platinum. Things are going to get real tough, soon.
Yoop on August 13, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Can’t wait for hyper-inflation to kick in………
………… that’s when the party is really going to get started.
Seven Percent Solution on August 13, 2009 at 1:16 PM
In the vein that Democrat plans never fail, they just don’t receive a fair trial; any jump in the unemployment rate will trigger a call for Stimulus II or is that Stimulus III? I forget.
Fred 2 on August 13, 2009 at 1:16 PM
I own a retail business and it’s worse than the figures show. People are holding on to their money out of fear. The ramifications effect retail, distribution and manufacturing.
There is no sign of this improving either, so it’s worse than some folks might think. During the last administration the MSM pushed death and doom on the economy, but under the Democrats it is coming true in the retail area.
Hening on August 13, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Bbbbbbbbuttttt…the stimulus is working! Everyone remain calm, all is well!!
matt126 on August 13, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Ah, I get it now. Thanks.
Dark-Star on August 13, 2009 at 1:18 PM
I not sure about this statement ED.
chemman on August 13, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Looks like the security job market will be in high demand thanks to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, & Biden:
Food has long been an issue in this city without a major supermarket. Now demand for assistance is rising, affecting a whole new set of people.
DETROIT (CNNMoney.com) — On a side street in an old industrial neighborhood, a delivery man stacks a dolly of goods outside a store. Ten feet away stands another man clad in military fatigues, combat boots and what appears to be a flak jacket. He looks straight out of Baghdad. But this isn’t Iraq. It’s southeast Detroit, and he’s there to guard the groceries.In this recession-racked town, the lack of food is a serious problem. It’s a theme that comes up again and again in conversations in Detroit. There isn’t a single major chain supermarket in the city, forcing residents to buy food from corner stores. Often less healthy and more expensive food.
TN Mom on August 13, 2009 at 1:20 PM
When is the White House releasing the budget numbers? The ones that were supposed to be released last month? Has that happened yet and I somehow missed it?
skree on August 13, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Not surprising, sadly enough. The problem of ‘food deserts’ will make for a wicked soup with the recession.
I wonder how long it will be before big-name box stores have to make Orwellian changes in order to keep their edible inventory from disappearing like crazy.
Dark-Star on August 13, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Paul Krugman has been calling for another stimulus for some time now. Since Congress blew the last one with a “plan” that was obviously geared towards rewarding political allies instead of being focused on the economy, it will be very difficult, politically, to justify another round of spending with new dollars.
ICBM on August 13, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Dead on the money, Ed.
petefrt on August 13, 2009 at 1:23 PM
KICSS (Kid-in-Candy-Store Syndrome)
So many threads, so little time. Axelrod’s two-day Troll School didn’t cover this kind of stress.
Yoop on August 13, 2009 at 1:24 PM
There’s an explanation to that entire food store problem in Detroit, and it has to do with Detroit’s administration.
Probably has a bit to do with the policing there as well, but aside from the corruption factor, the lack of money for good cops is again, the fault of the administration there.
I’ll give you one guess what side of the isle Detroiters vote for regularly..that is, when they decide to show up at the polls.
Spiritk9 on August 13, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Neither Germany nor France used porkulus “stimulus” spending. So, here we are, borrowing from China to pay government money to the favored few and we didn’t even get a growth quarter out of it. Hey Susan Romer, how did that happen?
MTF on August 13, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Across the economy, there is a net job loss. Years ago when I worked for a corporation, we used times like these to “trade up”…. get rid of dead wood that knew how to come to work without actually acoomplishinhg any. Hire new folks eager to please. Good luck on your new job and remember…. you always want to be one of the employees they want to keep. I’ve been self-employed for years but the philosophy still applies.
The purpose of any business is survival first and make money second. What do you think they meant in all those Mafia movies when they appologized to someone they were about to kill… telling them “Hey, this is just business.”. It’s a competitive world and nothing will ever change that… so compete.
CC
CapedConservative on August 13, 2009 at 1:24 PM
I assume that the parabola is set to turn over at its peak and spike down.
chemman on August 13, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Do you blame people for being fearful? The economic news isn’t good and what are our “leaders” doing about it? Spending money as if it is about to expire. They see a POTUS with absolutely zero credibility when it comes to dealing with serious matters, they see a Congress more interested in partisanship than progress, and they see things getting worse month after month.
highhopes on August 13, 2009 at 1:24 PM
I see green shoots coming out of Obama’s butt.
I think they’re trillion dollar bills, all is well.
NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 1:25 PM
I saw that. I especially liked the photo of downtown Detroit, where folks were raising goats and chickens on an empty lot.
Vashta.Nerada on August 13, 2009 at 1:26 PM
Yes, sometime between now and end October.
Vashta.Nerada on August 13, 2009 at 1:27 PM
My fear is inflation. Crude prices are now over $70 a barrel. Can you picture the scenario of more and more jobs gone combined with over a $3 a gallon average gasoline? Not exactly job stimulation.
search4truth on August 13, 2009 at 1:28 PM
And the market goes UP?
Something stinks.
stenwin77 on August 13, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Isn’t that in Democrat Gov Grandholm’s state – who taxes businesses to the hilt- so they all moved out…
TN Mom on August 13, 2009 at 1:28 PM
They haven’t released them yet. I am not holding by breath in anticipation. It wouldn’t surprise me if the stopped releasing data until after the midterm elections. I guess that means I don’t trust the government.
chemman on August 13, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Goats and chickens?
I say we start slaughtering, filleting and BBQing donkeys.
Cause BBQ’ed donkey is good eating, they live off of the fat of the land.
NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 1:29 PM
I watched it and had to turn up the volume because I couldn’t believe I was actually hearing what I was hearing.
jeanie on August 13, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Take it easy with Afrolib, folks.
He just created a new HA account yesterday and he wants to test the water here.
He hasn’t voiced any of the Axelrod/Obama/DNC talking points yet.
You might want to wait for a few more threads before you draw blood.
VibrioCocci on August 13, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Obama’s Katrina
TN Mom on August 13, 2009 at 1:30 PM
I saw something like that when I visited Michigan in Flint. The sad part is, I never thought anything of it because people do it here in the city. I didn’t realize it was that bad in Detroit. Not that I ever wanted to visit Detroit.
upinak on August 13, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Coming soon to a major city near you.
chemman on August 13, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Welcome to the Banana Republic of Detroit.
TN Mom on August 13, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Maybe we need a stimulus. Flood it with fresh cash!
DarkCurrent on August 13, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Whether you realized it or not, you’ve hit on a popular theme in the race war. Suffice it to say that inner-city Detroit doesn’t have much diversity when it comes to race or socio-economic status. Having to buy from the corner market is deemed a “tax on the poor” since they are forced to pay higher prices than if there were a major grocery store available. This is the kind of stuff that the filthy liar did as a community organizer.
highhopes on August 13, 2009 at 1:31 PM
That guy has always been way too honest to be a Democrat. He’s practically standing on ceremony at this point.
LibTired on August 13, 2009 at 1:32 PM
You mistake us for nice people.
chemman on August 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM
My logic isn’t as clear as usual (ha!) today. I’m sleepy.
What I meant (and it wasn’t meant to be profound) was a combination of more people softening to the idea of a gov. plan if they aren’t already utterly opposed to it, if THEY personally lose their job and/or lose their insurance. On that note, Obama will capitalize on joblessness and lack of insurance to offer the “free” public plan. We have some really stupid people in this nation, hence Obama.
I’m just wondering what their next angle will be.
Either way, I think they will ram it through via reconciliation or through committee. I wish that weren’t so…but…I fear they will do it regardless of where we are on the issue. They “won.”
Mommypundit on August 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM
You mean telling people that it’s good to riot and then burn down the supermarkets in their neighborhood is not such a “hot” idea?
Well, then the Community Organizer in Chief is just fresh out of ideas, then.
NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 1:34 PM
It’s not just Jennifer Granholm. Detroit’s former mayor Kwame Kilpatrick’s mom is in the Congress and John Conyers wife just pled guilty for taking bribes as a member of the Detroit City Council.
highhopes on August 13, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Was eating an energy bar and now have to clean my screen. LOL
chemman on August 13, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Even when the economy was in good shape 2004-2006, Detroit, and Michigan in fact, were battling revenue losses and high unemployment. I have family that lives there, and now regret that they didn’t move back to Texas. As such, they would have a difficult time selling their houses now.
ICBM on August 13, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Bicyea on August 13, 2009 at 1:12 PM
What make of car did the American taxpayer help you purchase?
farright on August 13, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Crude is measured in dollars, so crude being up is more a measure of how the dollar is falling than a measure of commodity movement. Inflation is starting.
Vashta.Nerada on August 13, 2009 at 1:37 PM
I still want to know if John Conyers filed a joint tax return listing his wife’s bribe money as income.
Living in the land of two Starbucks at every intersection, I am amazed that there are only four Starbucks in all of Detroit.
rw on August 13, 2009 at 1:38 PM
The economy is turning around. I was unemployed for over 8 months and finally got a job in my field last week.
I few of my friends have also received job offers after months of being unemployed. Forget all these stupid stats, the only way one can tell if the economy is improving is when your unemployed friends and associates start getting jobs.
Please stop with the negative hyperbole.
Afrolib on August 13, 2009 at 12:49 PM
You are absolutely correct every time i drive by the metal recycling facility they seem to be more and more backed up with people working. Can’t deny it as i’m seeing it with my own eye’s.
heshtesh on August 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM
chemman on August 13, 2009 at 1:35 PM
They can make those out of donkey now.
The only teeny side effect though is that they make you batshit crazy.
But batshit crazy with energy.
NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM
BUT BUT BUT….Yahoo News and the shills at the AP were just saying last week that the recession was over and people were spending money like crazy.
sarc
What gives?
/sarc
southsideironworks on August 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM
You’re also avoiding explanations of your Twitter absence. :P
MadisonConservative on August 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM
heshtesh on August 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Entry Level Dumpster Divers seems to be enjoying a spike in employment as well and the one outside of my window is harvesting a bounty of chinese food take out containers.
All is well, all hail Obama.
NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Sure you found a new job. As a Soros AstroTurf shill paid to post on conservative web sites. Congrats!
angryed on August 13, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Funny when GWB was in office the fact that the GDP was increasing over 8 years was horrible news, but now that it’s only decreasing by 1 percent is hailed as a recovery. Newspeak is here.
JimK on August 13, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Unrelated, but this made me laugh at the DailyKos. Especially since Whole Foods’ stock went UP today. The best part is where the author mentions the fact that Whole Foods has a lot of competition so he can shop elsewhere. Hypocrite.
BeantownModerate on August 13, 2009 at 1:45 PM
LOL! Fair enough Vibrio. But come on now, this has to be one of the most asinine comments I’ve ever seen…
elduende on August 13, 2009 at 1:46 PM
It’s safe to say that at some point during Obama’s term, even if it’s only for a week in a row, at least one economic indicator will go up.
And when it does, that’s all you’ll hear about in the liberal media for the next three moths.
logis on August 13, 2009 at 1:46 PM
I resemble that remark!
My wife and I raise goats and chickens here on our Homestead. Goat is delicious and their milk is way better than a cows is.
Also, organic chicken has a much better taste and texture than any crap you can buy in a store. The hard part is the processing, we just did 60+ in a couple weekends of work.
BierManVA on August 13, 2009 at 1:47 PM
So, about every second, come loses their job. I am sure great news will be spun when the unemployment figure will fall again, though the total unemployed will rise further.
WoosterOh on August 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM
You have to love the tolerance of the left./
ICBM on August 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM
NoDonkey on August 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Damn good thing for my keyboard and monitor i did’nt have a mouthfull of drink or food.
heshtesh on August 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM
How I came up with come, instead of someone, I have no idea.
Need to get a real program that we can edit our posts.
WoosterOh on August 13, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Yes it is, but it was bad under the last repub. gov too (Engler). Not so much in his first term, but his last term he gave in to every special interest he could it seems.
The problem in Detroit is the administration compounding the problems that the liberal state admins have been making ever since Engler left. However, we in Michigan were once again faced with the lesser of 2 evils thing. Granholm versus DeVoss. Jesus what a pair. DeVoss would have had us sign ownership of our souls to the corporations he favored the most, but now we have a state that is choking us to death.
I swear, if Romney doesn’t want to run for president in ’12 or he doesn’t get the nomination, I wouldn’t mind seeing him grab the Gov. seat here to fix things up a bit.
Anyway, as far as Detroit goes, they need to flush the toilet in a major way. The liberal city council and the mayors office have been actively destroying the city for 40 years now. They’ve done their job, time to move on.
Spiritk9 on August 13, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Gives them more time to vote. And vote. And vote …
MarkTheGreat on August 13, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Part-time “work” at election time.
ICBM on August 13, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Spiritk9: I grew up in Windsor Ont. when i was younger Detroit used to be a really nice city. But we both know what a fine job Coleman Young did.
heshtesh on August 13, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Soylent Green?
MarkTheGreat on August 13, 2009 at 1:58 PM
No time like the present, when it comes to learning the facts of life.
MarkTheGreat on August 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM
But…but…but….the FED and the MSM said ‘recovery’ is just around the corner. You can see the light at the end of the tunnel. “Green shoots” everywhere.
The MSM has obviously forgotten that they could not drag the economy into a slump under Bush. They also can’d drag it out of recession for the benefit of The One.
GarandFan on August 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Of course nobody ever stops to think why it is that big box stores aren’t able to make a profit in these cities.
It has nothing to do with races, all of the big box stores have locations in southern cities that have very high ratios of minorities.
It has to do with culture, a culture that has no problem taking from someone who is viewed as an outsider. Especially if that outsider has more than you do.
MarkTheGreat on August 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Now I have an image in my head involving a riding crop.
DrSteve on August 13, 2009 at 2:03 PM
LibTired
Not you. Ever. Your “lib” name says it all!
JAM on August 13, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Jobless claims 553K, Federal deficit higher in July, 1.27 Trillion this year, Home foreclosures set another record in July- up 7%. Meanwhile the Kenyan Communist tries to socialize the rest of America claiming that he is helping the economy! While America languishes in a Depression, he tap dances around every significant issue. We should demand tax cuts and economic measures to rescue the housing market.Without housing recovery the economy won’t recover.All Obama and his corrupt cronies know how to run is their lying mouths. We should make the economy the issue instead of allowing HOPE AND SMOKE AND MIRRORS TO SET THE AGENDA!
Marco on August 13, 2009 at 2:12 PM
How come nobody figures the recent minimum wage increase into the ‘jobless’ claim figures? Clearly there is a correlation between increasing pay at the bottom end, rising prices, flat sales, and losing jobs. Duh.
TinMan13 on August 13, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Just got this in an email from National Mortgage News:
FA CoreLogic: One-third of U.S. Mortgages Under Water
Almost one in three mortgaged homes in the U.S. — representing 15.2 million loans — now has negative equity, according to a new report issued by First American CoreLogic.
Illinois Sees 86% Boost in Default Notices in July
Despite legislative efforts to delay foreclosures, in July foreclosure activity in Illinois increased almost 35% from June, boosted by an 86% surge in default notices, according to the latest U.S. Foreclosure Market Report from RealtyTrac.
Taylor Bean & Whitaker Sued Over Layoffs
Troubled mortgage banker Taylor Bean & Whitaker has been hit with a class action law suit on behalf of 1,000 former employees who found themselves jobless last week when the lender’s fortunes took a turn for the worse.
TBW May File for Bankruptcy Protection
Taylor, Bean & Whitaker, the nation’s 13th largest residential lender, is expected to file for bankruptcy protection as soon as this week, according to industry sources and published reports.
Franklin American Suspends Jumbo Wholesale
Franklin American Mortgage Co. of Tennessee, a top 20-ranked lender, has suspended the origination of jumbo loans through brokers.
rockmom on August 13, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Liberals refuse to acknowledge that raising the minimum wage not only costs jobs but causes even more inflation. Right when we’re on the verge of hyperinflation because the idiots are printing money like it was toilet paper and they have the squirts.
Spiritk9 on August 13, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Are these the same economists who mostly agree that the economy is on the rebound?
A “jobless recovery” really isn’t a recovery.
jazz_piano on August 13, 2009 at 2:55 PM
I counter your wishful thinking with cold reality…
I have friends who still don’t have job offers. Several interviews… but most of those are obvious “hold them in the queue for if things get better”…
dominigan on August 13, 2009 at 2:55 PM
As I have been saying. Bozo’s policies and plans have forced companies to lay off everyone they can and turtle up. We are so hosed. But the moonbats and Bozo still claim he saved the economy. They are all completely INSANE.
dogsoldier on August 13, 2009 at 3:22 PM
A Hyundai. I’m doing my part to “overwhelm the system” and break the back of Obama presidency. And if that doesn’t work, I got $3500 that Obamas kids will have to pay back.
Bicyea on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM
By offering to take more money from those who can find work and give it to them.
That said, I hope you and yours all find good paying work that you WANT to do, soon. Good luck.
LegendHasIt on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM
How many total people are no longer being counted as unemployed because their benefits expired?
The U-6 number is still over 16%.
dogsoldier on August 13, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Vashta.Nerada on August 13, 2009 at 1:37 PM
—–
To measure inflation, I like to watch the price of the Big Mac and whopper, although the price of a Jamba Coldbuster works just as well.
It’s *definitely* starting.
Mew
acat on August 13, 2009 at 3:43 PM
George Soros isn’t the only one who has figured out how to make money in an economy that is being destroyed.
LegendHasIt on August 13, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Do you realize how many morons still watch and believe Cramer on CNBC? Actually, CNBC (i.e., GE) has been pumping the market since the day The One took office.
AUINSC on August 13, 2009 at 3:46 PM
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