Flashback audio: Senator Obama talks about mandatory national service
posted at 9:21 pm on August 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
Another chestnut dug up by The One’s bete noire at Naked Emperor News, destined to be the inspiration for a new lederhosen segment on “Glenn Beck.” You might recall that this issue’s come up before in the context of Obama’s campaign: For a few days after the election, Rahm Emanuel’s stated fondness for mandatory national service was a hot topic on righty blogs, especially after the Obama transition website posted an entry on national service “requiring” 50-100 hours per year from students. After the outcry from the ‘sphere, the “requirement” language was quietly replaced by more ambiguous language about “setting a goal” of 50-100 hours. I skimmed the transcript of Obama’s answers at last year’s presidential campaign forum on service and can’t find him endorsing anything like a mandatory obligation, and I find it exceedingly hard to believe that he’d have the votes for something like this in Congress when he can’t even get his health-care plan passed. But then, I’d never have guessed he’d nationalize General Motors either. Color me very skeptical that this is something to worry about — but less skeptical than I used to be.
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Read the article. The Khmer Rouge were against the Vietnamese communist regardless of what they classified themselves as. Of course I recall George McGovern having a love affair with them saying something like -these are the right people at the right time- with their egalitarian farming revolution.
So most of the far-left had a love affair at first too with them
Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 11:21 PM
” Ogabe … contrary to popular belief – is NOT Spock – he’s Kirk. “Dude,O has turned out to be pretty f****cking stupid.He apparaently forgets things like youtube exist.And the all powerful(but stupid) MSM can only hide so much.Hes not kirk by any means.more like harry mudd.
theTarCzar on August 13, 2009 at 11:23 PM
I already said the Khmer were against the Vietnamese, you stupid tool. Khmer were sponsored by Mao, Vietnamese were sponsored by the Russians.
Stop masturbating to pictures of Ho Chi Minh and pay attention.
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:23 PM
1) actually partially true….the “hard corps” including Pol Pot were trained in France by the French Commies….how’s that Hopium taste champ? The bombings, AGAIN did NOT lead to the Khmer Rouge victory….
you are either ignorantly or willfully leaving out the machinations of Prince Sihanouk the betrayal of the Lon Nol government by western governments who just wanted to “quit SEA”….
The Khmer Rouge relied on the aid of the Khmer Loeu who had been abused by the Sihanouk/Lon Nol government in the period between the bombings by the US and the KR ascension in April ’75……
your poor little benighted KRs got busy trying to triple Ag production with herbal medicene and bayonet points as incentive…..how’d that work out for the KRs champ?
Yeah they killed a million or so Khmer but they also wrecked a net food exporter economy and made it into a basketcase that still isn’t back to snuff….
Relation between Vietnam and Kampuchea collapsed over the course of late ’77 to early ’79 the invasion occured in January of ’79 but the last KR province did not fall until mid ’94…..
the conflict was more a pissing contest between Viets and Chinese anyway….sort of like a mini Sino-Russo incident.
3) The KRs got Chinese arms(arguably subsidized by our farmboys)through Thailand to wage their proxy war….
how’s that Hopium working out for you champ?
May want to learn Pashtun for when Ogabe needs to borrow some of your time to invade Pock-ee-stan
sven10077 on August 13, 2009 at 11:26 PM
I’m done with Spathi. How can I compete with his brilliance? He learned all about Vietnam at Montclair Junior College for Gay, Lesbian and Trans-gendered.
I only spent two years on the ground humping an M-16 and an M-60, dodging North Vietnamese artillery that was smuggled through the Cambodian jungle?
He knows gay pride history.
I only know war.
Stupid freaking me, huh?
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Is it true that Reagan wanted the Khmer Rouge to have a UN seat?
http://www.media-criticism.com/Washington_Post_Pol_Pot_1998.html
Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Ty for your service. Most folks aren’t ungrateful useful idiots…
Ozprey on August 13, 2009 at 11:32 PM
I can see it now, turnip tuesdays.
Anyway, hopefully 2010 shuts this moron down.
jhffmn on August 13, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Covert Action Quarterly?
Might as well quote Pravda. CAQ was started by a bunch of America-hating Leftists who recruited cashiered, disgruntled CIA losers to slander America.
Get lost, jerk.
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:36 PM
All governments do that though not just the U.S. They chew people up and spit them out in the process of carrying out various congress critters and politicians goals (Tricky Dick and LBJ).
That’s why I gave Bill Ayers props for resisting conscription like Obama wants.
Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 11:36 PM
I believe Harry Mudd … given the chance … would have cheated at the Kobiashi Maru also. ;)
HondaV65 on August 13, 2009 at 11:37 PM
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:37 PM
uhhh…I don’t believe that truther stuff. There has to be a better source though.
Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM
you do grasp that Billy Ayers is Ogabe’s mentor and may have authored “Dreams of My father” sport?
so saying you respect comrade William for resisting policies he now loves now that the red team is in charge here is sort of….”daft”?
sven10077 on August 13, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Yep, just because their base doesn’t know how to use a computer for anything but porn, these tools think it’s still 2004.
Newpapers and broadcast are hemorraging eyeballs and these idiots don’t realize that even Grandma is web-savvy now?
Shhhhhh. Don’t wake ‘em up.
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Pravda or the Chinese News….
maybe soldier of fortune?
Hey sport can “fire melt steel?”
sven10077 on August 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Ya, you’re arguing with him right now lol
Ozprey on August 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM
“I believe Harry Mudd … given the chance … would have cheated at the Kobiashi Maru also. ;)
HondaV65 on August 13, 2009″ haha,touche.yes its good to never underestimate the enemy.
theTarCzar on August 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM
F**king idiot. Give us a link to a truther site to back you up.
You’re done.
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:41 PM
LOL,
I didn’t see the plane at the top and that truther stuff. SORRY.
Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 11:42 PM
When policy proposals meet resistance in the distant future don’t be surprised. You saw how he called out his SEIU members didn’t you? We just got a preview of how Obama will be using his Civilian National Security Force.
Americannodash on August 13, 2009 at 11:42 PM
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/pilger.php?articleid=1807
This source is slightly better.
If it’s true, like I said, there has to be a more legitimate source.
Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 11:44 PM
more important than not being surprised is planning for it…
kitchens are wonderful things….invite the lads over for some home cooking…..I suggest mixed drinks for starters….
sven10077 on August 13, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Yeah, and I just saw a preview this morning of how I’ll deal with his Civilian National Security Force.
21 out of 28 inside the 3-inch circle at 25 yards.
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:45 PM
I was thinking Old English 500, actually.
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Who the he!! are you Cindy Sheehan or Media Benjamin?
thomasaur on August 13, 2009 at 11:46 PM
When policy proposals meet resistance in the distant future don’t be surprised. You saw how he called out his SEIU members didn’t you? We just got a preview of how Obama will be using his Civilian National Security Force.
Americannodash on August 13, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Agreed, spot on.
Ozprey on August 13, 2009 at 11:47 PM
He’s either tinky-winky or Pee Wee Herman.
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:48 PM
yeah I have always found hyper peacenik moonbats like Ed Asner to be better sources than primary material…..and *imagine* that they reference a film….
how quaint….
explain to me again how Nixon bombing Cambodia in the period of 1969 to 1973 with the most intense period being in ’71-’72 directly led to the KR victory on 17 Apr 1975???
I mean there has to be a perfectly linear progression yes?
Never mind that up until literally the Lon Nol forces were down to two hours ammo they were in the fight that is immaterial?
sven10077 on August 13, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Less than 24 hrs and I find her the most despicable douchebags ever.
thomasaur on August 13, 2009 at 11:50 PM
HotAir really needs to require a test for commenters when they open up.
Say, 10 questions about the Constitution…in less than 3 minutes, so googling won’t cut it.
Otherwise we get inundated by ignorant trolls.
I don’t entirely mind trolls.
But I hate the ignorant ones.
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Yeah, it’s that gay-smug attitude, combined with Leftist brain-washing and utter ignorance of history.
Makes ya long for Terry Skyver’s charming death threats.
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Antiwar isn’t a leftist site. Justin Raimondo founded the radicals caucus of the Libertarian Party in the 80′s and he supported Pat Buchanan’s runs in 92′ and 96′. Also Scott Horton, who runs their podcasts, was foreign policy advisor to Libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik.
I’ve heard Horton make the claim on his radio show that Reagan supported the Khmer Rouge having a United Nations seat (that’s why I thought of the Reagan connection.)
I’d like to see this verified though.
Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Oh, and now he gives us another link to “anti-war.com”, quoting the same communist journalist, Pilger.
This guy just doesn’t know when to quit.
Google in the wrong gay hands is a terrible thing.
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:54 PM
I ain’t doing your homework for you sport, and working for Patsy B hardly makes you non-moonbat it just means you are a hyper-isolationist first happily using Patsy to try to undermine Bush the elder….
and I’ll go out on a limb and place him under the “pro pot” wing of the Libertarian Party not the anti-taxers…
sven10077 on August 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Well…gotta go.
Doing my own “national service” tomorrow.
Tea Party outside Pelosi’s office in San Francisco.
I’m hoping our SEIU brothers show up.
Practice now:
Shin stomp
Groin kick
Eye gouge
Neck chop
Repeat
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Purely defensive, of course.
guntotinglibertarian on August 13, 2009 at 11:58 PM
Grrrrr. The pro-pot crowd has done more to tarnish the honorable image of Libertarians than anything I could imagine.
guntotinglibertarian on August 14, 2009 at 12:00 AM
Well if it’s on Raimondo’s site I think that’s a pretty good information source.
Raimondo worked with Murray Rothbard (who founded the Mises Institute) to form the Radicals Caucus.
Generally everything from his site is pretty non-biased. There’s a good bet that Reagan was working behind the scenes for the Khmer Rouge.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:00 AM
There’s a good bet that you spent half your college time with your panties around your ankles.
Give up.
guntotinglibertarian on August 14, 2009 at 12:02 AM
the word senor I don’t think it means what you think it means
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 12:02 AM
guntotinglibertarian,
What’s that supposed to mean? You don’t like gays?
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:03 AM
oops unbiased. heh
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Well, we find out next month.
Dr. ZhivBlago on August 14, 2009 at 12:06 AM
also a Lew Rockwell compadre….
homey please…..
“non-biased” and I am an austrian school fan myself….
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 12:06 AM
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,956883,00.html
Time magazine seems to think Reagan supported the Khmer Rouge too.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Murray Rothbard, RIP – professor and Libertarian Party founder – Editorial – Obituary
William F. Buckley
MURRAY ROTHBARD, age 68, died on January 7. We extend condolences to his family, but not to the movement he inspired. The academic and journalistic achievements of Professor Murray Rothbard of the University of Nevada were prodigious–25 books, including Man, Economy, and State, and a four-volume history of economic thought, the final two volumes of which will appear in the spring. He was the primary influence in founding the Libertarian Party, whose godfather he continued to be until he broke with it a few years ago.
What reason, then, not to regret the end of his influence on the conservative-libertarian movement?
Murray Rothbard had defective judgment. It pains even to recall it, but in 1959 when Khrushchev arrived in New York, with much of America stunned by the visit of the butcher of Budapest–the Soviet protege of Stalin who was threatening a world war over Berlin-Rothbard physically applauded Khrushchev in his limousine as it passed by on the street. He gave as his reason for this that, after all, Krushchev had killed fewer people than General Eisenhower, his host.
Murray couldn’t handle moral priorities. In 1991 he decried the Cold War, which had just ended by liberating three hundred million people while maintaining our own independence. As president of the John Randolph Society, he spoke jubilantly at its convention in 1991 of his fancy, that we should “think the unthinkable and restore the good old Articles of Confederation.” In recent years he disavowed Milton Friedman on the grounds that in endorsing the idea of school vouchers, Professor Friedman had sold out to the enemy, the State. James Burnham, the noble strategist and philosopher, he attacked bitterly in 1968 (“I can see Burnham now, helping the slavemasters of the South round up the slave rebels under Nat Turner”). In 1957, reviewing in NR a book by Murray Rothbard, Henry Hazlitt observed that he suffered from “extreme apriorism.” Indeed he did, Rothbard retorted in an essay that defended categorical positions, leaving no room for qualifications however critical. We have not read his economic history, but if it is as reliable as his contemporary history, we warn against it a generation of scholars which, from all appearances, is paying it the attention it deserves. In his speech to the John Randolph Society Rothbard gave this rendition of the history of NATIONAL REVIEW: “And so the purges began. One after another, Buckley and NATIONAL REVIEW purged and excommunicated all the radicals, all the nonrespectables. Consider the roll call: isolationists (such as John T. Flynn), anti-Zionists, libertarians, Ayn Randians, the John Birch Society, and all those who continued, like the early NATIONAL REVIEW, to dare to oppose Martin Luther King and the civil-rights revolution.” Anybody who could decipher this magazine’s history as above, could also conclude that Khrushchev was morally preferable to Eisenhower.
Murray Rothbard was a wonderfully pleasant social companion. He had been a friend and colleague–he did the research for the passages in Up from Liberalism that dealt with economics. But in 1962, at an ISI-sponsored seminar at Yale, I spoke derisively, if with good humor, about Murray’s proposal to privatize the lighthouses, suggesting that such a platform would persuade listeners less of the advantages of the private sector than of the disadvantages of knowing nothing about lighthouses. Rothbard was outraged and noisily denounced this journal, vowing never again to contribute to it.
We muddled through without him, and he got on with his own work, though the influence of the Libertarian Party did not correspond with its valuable insights-the American people, during the Cold War, were not going to welcome in large numbers a political party whose leader thought the defense of freedom through containment was a travesty.
It was a great pity, but his problem ought not to be thought of as tracing to the seamless integrity of libertarian principles. In Murray’s case, much of what drove him was a contrarian spirit, the deranging scrupulosity that caused him to disdain such as Herbert Hoover, Ronald Reagan, Milton Friedman, and–yes–Newt Gingrich, while huffing and puffing in the little cloister whose walls he labored so strenuously to contract, leaving him, in the end, not as the father of a swelling movement that “rous[ed] the masses from their slumber,” as he once stated his ambition, but with about as many disciples as David Koresh had in his little redoubt in Waco. Yes, Murray Rothbard believed in freedom, and yes, David Koresh believed in God.
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Reagan supported the government shooting unarmed Vietnam protesters too…well a degree anyway.
I think he took those views back though once they actually did it.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM
guess it depends on your definition of the word “supported” champ….
to wit….
it helped us gain influence with China, isolating Russia….it killed people who had killed our people, it is fun to set groups of savages into a hard playground scrum….
in order to defeat marxists you have to be willing to go to the mat as hard as they play….
there is good in this world and there is evil and evil must be crushed.
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 12:11 AM
sven10077,
Buckley realized the errors of his ways though. He said we should not have invaded Iraq.
The neoconservative movement has been insidious in that it’s been growing slowly. Rothbard and Buchanan and others realized the danger in the 80′s before most.
Buckley is former CIA (although the CIA seemed to have undue influence even after he left in National Review) so it’s his natural inclination to be a Statist. Before his death he was starting to realize the errors of his ways.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:11 AM
Buckley destroyed the Libertarian movement.
I’m not a fan…
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:14 AM
OT Boycott/drop Geico for dropping glenn beck at the behest of communist czar van jones http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/13/powerful-new-york-pr-firm-helps-campaign-against-glenn-beck
theTarCzar on August 14, 2009 at 12:16 AM
In fact….Bill Buckley pisses me off.
o well.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:17 AM
“Let me control the textbooks and I will control the state. The state will take youth and give to youth its own education and its own upbringing. Your child belongs to us already….what are you?” –Adolf Hitler
Given the right traing this national security civilian force could perform their duties without questioning superiors. I was just following orders sir.
Surely their will be a Czar overseeing this National security civilian force as well. They need airplanes & helicopters too. Money, money & more money for the cause of a Unitary Government.
Americannodash on August 14, 2009 at 12:17 AM
Ohio!
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:24 AM
got an even better one for you that is eerily topical….
that charmer was in reference to “the new people” by those wonderful little ‘agrarian reformers’ the Khmer Rouge…..
now plug that in to “end of life advice”…..
yeah Ogabe’s got plans…..
but the Libertarians bought Bob Barr….
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 12:25 AM
Michelei got that right– BHO will not let me go back to my life as before, UNINVOLVED. The girl may regret that prediction.
leftnomore on August 14, 2009 at 12:26 AM
As a younger vet, I say: “Thank you for your service”, and that you and I both know that a lot of civilians that don’t know the maxim about ‘the men on walls with guns’ aren’t even worth dignifying with responses or attention.
Virus-X on August 14, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Man, I finally figured out why this guy “ummms” and “ahhhhs” so dang much. He’s afraid of saying something that will give some serious sh*t away about what he really believes.
LibTired on August 14, 2009 at 12:28 AM
My home….you might want to do a little research and find that attacking men with rifles with rocks is bad tactics….
your hero Billy Ayers thought blowing apart an NCO Military Ball at an Army base was a peachy idea….I mean obviously since those men and their wives/gals were directly responsible for the “evil draft” and “evil war” it was a solid plan right?
what is it with you guys and Fort Dix????
I thought you liked New York and New England???
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Bob Barr is a Statist. Chuck Baldwin was much more legit, and he was endorsed by Ron Paul.
Besides right now the GOP is forming a more anti-government tone, which is good. Of course once they get power again, they will want to micromanage everyone’s lives and sexuality, invade random countries and kill innocents, illegally wiretap people, and revert to socialist policies as Bush did. *sigh*
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:30 AM
Hitler youth!
Johan Klaus on August 14, 2009 at 12:30 AM
\ Revisionist History.
Johan Klaus on August 14, 2009 at 12:33 AM
fill me in on how many of these wonderful policies Barack W. Carter has overturned?
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 12:33 AM
sven10077,
Really? How do you know the people who were shot by the troops were the ones throwing rocks or whether they were throwing rocks at all? Those dead college girls looked really dangerous.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:33 AM
sven10077,
The only significant change he made was in ending extraordinary rendition. That’s a HUGE change in my mind.
However, there is not much change with regard to stopping U.S. imperialism although at least he hasn’t bombed Iran.
As for gay rights, well nothing. There will be supposedly LARGE civil rights march in D.C. in 59 days from now so I think we’ll see slow change.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:36 AM
I am all for getting this country back to killing Marxists, both foreign and domestic.
Holger on August 14, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Holger,
Well so long as you did not support shooting college students who protested Vietnam (and exercised their freedom of speech.)
Reagan apologized afterwards.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Marxists are enemies of Liberty and were doing the bidding of a foreign power. They were Spies, Saboteurs and Mercenaries. Screw ‘em
/Kos
Holger on August 14, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Reagan left the country much worse off than when he came (as did Carter.)
The Federal Government had grown especially the military-industrial complex. A Statist at heart.
Ronald Reagan: An Autopsy
by Murray N. Rothbard
Isn’t that what the government do no matter what though? It grows no matter who is in charge.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:45 AM
yeah I don’t see the problem with it….I mean if sprokle has no issue with Bill “I’ll have to kill 25 million or so*” Ayers why shouldn’t we play hardball as well?
*in Prairie Fire
as far as Kent State goes I have a personal rule of thumb….
IF I have allowed the local ‘peaceniks’ to lay siege to my campus, and when I see them goading the ONG pelting them with rocks…..I swear I will look for concealment, cover, an egress route, and a rally point…..
so help me God….
further if the “peaceful protestors” decide to burn down the ROTC building, light bonfires in the city streets and break windows while verbally abusing the community I do hereby give myself permission to cut class….
let it be noted that if my Governor comes to said campus and states that my fellow students’ arson, vandalism, and raucous behavior leads him to study the feasability of declaring Martial Law I will take him at his word…..
so let it be written, so let it be heard,
sven
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 12:47 AM
outside “consultants”…..erm let’s call them “community organizers” escalated the stakes for a week because they were “pi$$ed at Nixon bombing Cambodia”……
you follow me?
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 12:49 AM
No I don’t have a problem with flag burning. It’s anti-Federal Government symbolism.
Nothing to see there move along.
Plus allowing it ensures we have strong Freedom of Speech rights, and no burning the Federal Government’s flags are not abusing that right.
Once again, allowing the president to have a standing army is the problem here because he can threaten the citizens so long as he has that.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:50 AM
ROTC ain’t a flag sporkle it’s a building often with soldiers working odd hours inside….
I know to a moonbat a pig is a cow is a horse is a bug is a boy is a dog….
but a flag is a flag and a building is a building and felonies are not last I checked “speech”….
my dad was a trucker in the area and believe me absent the national guard presence he would have been THRILLED to “lend a hand keeping order”….
think tar and feathers for the “community organizers”
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 12:53 AM
sven10077,
Keep in mind the government was conscripting people into slavery and forcing them to murder Vietnamese people.
It was a violent time so I’m not surprised that people who did not want to be forced to murder people or forced to go to one of the Federal government’s prisons became someone upset.
That’s why Jimmy Carter issued pardons because a lot of people were in catch-22 situations.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:56 AM
“became someone upset”…..
I sort of think that the leftist temper tantruyms of the boomers then and their totalitarian bent now put the notion they were “poor noble souls just doing right” to rest….
the worst of them knowingly abetted communism, the best of them hedonism….
to quote the warrior philosopher F. Gump-”sometimes you just don’t have enough rocks”….
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Hitler youth! – Johan Klaus
J.K., ya wanna see Obama’s “Hitler Youth”? Check THIS out!
Tony737 on August 14, 2009 at 1:02 AM
Another article on Reagan’s support for the Khmer Rouge.
I know Thatcher also supported Pinochet so that’s no surprise. The same crooks in Iran-contra that were never prosecuted ended up in the Bush administration: Rumsfeld, Cheney etc. That’s why we need a war crimes trial for Bush so that we can make sure the next republican administration is free of Bushies.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 1:02 AM
I forgot the link
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 1:05 AM
LOLZ! Yeah, keep trying.
AUINSC on August 14, 2009 at 1:07 AM
It’s Dumbass.
jaime on August 14, 2009 at 1:13 AM
Huffpo?
*seriously*
“all Republican admins war criminals*
seriously?>
Hey Sporkle I got a question you game for the Pepsi Challenge?
1) what was Bill Clinton’s UN resolution and Congressional Approval for Kosovo or Operation Desert Fox?
2) What was Dhimmi Carter’s justification for turning our back on Iran and granting the first terror state with massive oil fields a foothold
3) I notice every condemnation of the Marxbat is an add on post….you do grasp Ogabe will in all likelihood be proven to be no more an opponent of rendition than Beijing Billy?
so are you misinformed or is this an Axelturfing point?
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 1:13 AM
Am I in f’in North Korea?
Sapwolf on August 14, 2009 at 1:14 AM
What was wrong with the Time Magazine’s article linking Reagan to the Khmer Rouge?
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 1:21 AM
sven10077,
Notice that article that you posted was from February 1st, the same day as the LATimes article that claimed the same thing…in other words…you got punked.
Renditions Buffoonery
By Scott Horton
The LATimes article (the one Hotair posted) that claimed Obama was continueing extraordinary renditions has been debunked.
If it comes out that Obama is continueing Bush’s extraordinary renditions (torture) though, then Obama has literally no chance of reelection considering the left would be extremely angry (as in he deserves a warcrimes trial.)
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 1:25 AM
you were saying?
I used your own source to prove a point you made in reverse, and then tried to snark off….
further….
the entire gyroscopic spin has to do with the “speed the guy was put on trial” despite the fact he says he was tortured….
read the Gulag Archipelago and witness the joy of the KGB “only being able to question you for 48 hours”….
yeah “change we can believe in”
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 1:33 AM
sven10077,
Well if it’s true and Obama is tied to it, then Obama’s reelections chances are finished.
I saw that article recently but I had not noticed that Scott Horton wrote the article. I’ll keep my eye on this because there will be more to trickle out.
It’s an allegation…our press should actually bother to ask Obama about it….
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM
Civilian National Security Force = the dems definition of ‘malitia’ and an open door to ‘gun control’
Not the only time he has mentioned it and i don’t remember which DPM (dem propaganda media) paper mentioned something like this too.
lwssdd on August 14, 2009 at 2:31 AM
@ Allahpundit
“Color me very skeptical that this is something to worry about — but less skeptical than I used to be.”
The way things are going pretty soon you’ll be a Palinista.
memomachine on August 14, 2009 at 3:41 AM
Who let the Dogs out? ROOF ROOF, as Mitt Romney would say.
ROOF, ROOf.
Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 3:57 AM
How ’bout Lenin? Stalin? Mao? Ho Chi Mihn?
soundingboard on August 14, 2009 at 4:50 AM
Lots of Western, democratic, capitalist nations have mandatory national service, in fact, nearly all of them do. Why would it be horrible here and seems to be OK there?
CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 7:07 AM
Oh you didn’t know we were in the 3rd Bush term? Join me in the disollusionment. This has been the least changey, most establishment administration ever. Not even the balls of Clinton.
CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 7:10 AM
I can buy that.
The Leftist Elite was enamored with the Unibomber and his writings until the FBI led the unshaven, filthy bum out of his shack in the woods.
David2.0 on August 14, 2009 at 7:11 AM
When you say Western, democratic, capitalist nations, do you mean socialist Europe?
David2.0 on August 14, 2009 at 7:19 AM
The first couple of years of their lives? He wants new born infants? aha
I like the concept of kids getting cheaper college in exchange for community/govt. service. It’s a good way to get teachers and doctors, etc. into communities that need them.
I also think the idea of getting kids to be more community aware is a good thing. The idea of a secondary military force is friggin bizarre.
I think the idea can be good, but the language they used is weird. Italy stopped the mandatory two years military service, in part because it was unfair to the males, who were behind the females two years after exiting college and completing their service.
sarainitaly on August 14, 2009 at 7:22 AM
Well I meant Isreal for one. Germany is socialist? I honestly don’t think most Americans really know what socialism or marxism is. Probably have never read anything by Karl Marx or Engels (or even Adam Smith for that matter). But they sure throw the terms around.
CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 7:25 AM
Nations with mandatory national/military service: Hint, this would essentially be a backdoor draft as most Americans would choose to serve in the military.
Austria
Brazil
Chile
Finland
Greece
Mexico
Norway
South Korea
Sweden Switzerland
CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 7:28 AM
be happy to talk econ with you….
EUtopia is a semi-democratic socialist confederation whose membership on the state level is made up of Parliamentary Socialist nations….
$ociali$m from those who will to those who won’t….
American Colloquialism in new usage: “spreading the wealth around”…..
see Jugears the Clown a man who spreads less than 1% of his wealth around voluntarily
sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 7:36 AM
The Serve America Act of 2009 (H.R. 1388) aims to expand the number of volunteer service opportunities for Americans, with a federal goal of 250,000 positions for AmeriCorps volunteers, seniors, students and veterans. The legislation creates a framework for an expanded service program, and would cost $5.7 billion over a six-year period. The legislation was signed by Obama on April 21, 2009. He has requested $1.1 billion in the Fiscal Year 2010 Budget to fund the first year.
The infrastructure and appropriations are in place but the mandatory language was stripped out and placed in HR 1444…waiting in the wings.
Government should not be involved in volunteer service of American citizens.
Obama/Emanuel/Jarret/Rouse/Axelrod have bigger plans for this infrastructure. I think it will have something to do with the civilian defense force Obama has mentioned in past speeches. Something to watch.
virtus vero on August 14, 2009 at 8:19 AM
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