Flashback audio: Senator Obama talks about mandatory national service

posted at 9:21 pm on August 13, 2009 by Allahpundit

Another chestnut dug up by The One’s bete noire at Naked Emperor News, destined to be the inspiration for a new lederhosen segment on “Glenn Beck.” You might recall that this issue’s come up before in the context of Obama’s campaign: For a few days after the election, Rahm Emanuel’s stated fondness for mandatory national service was a hot topic on righty blogs, especially after the Obama transition website posted an entry on national service “requiring” 50-100 hours per year from students. After the outcry from the ‘sphere, the “requirement” language was quietly replaced by more ambiguous language about “setting a goal” of 50-100 hours. I skimmed the transcript of Obama’s answers at last year’s presidential campaign forum on service and can’t find him endorsing anything like a mandatory obligation, and I find it exceedingly hard to believe that he’d have the votes for something like this in Congress when he can’t even get his health-care plan passed. But then, I’d never have guessed he’d nationalize General Motors either. Color me very skeptical that this is something to worry about — but less skeptical than I used to be.


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Well I meant Israel for one…

CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 7:25 AM

I will admit that Israel does indeed have mandatory service.

But their situation is unique (and precarious)…surrounded on three sides by rabid Muslim extremists, in a postage-stamp nation that has almost no tactical depth, and already having survived multiple defensive wars – a record that no nation in history has ever been able to keep up.

Dark-Star on August 14, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Who would have thought that a black president would reinstitute SLAVERY!?

If the govt forces anyone to work without pay, then that is essentially what it is.

jeffn21 on August 14, 2009 at 9:07 AM

But their situation is unique (and precarious)…surrounded on three sides by rabid Muslim extremists, in a postage-stamp nation that has almost no tactical depth, and already having survived multiple defensive wars – a record that no nation in history has ever been able to keep up.

As a side note to Israel… The Bible says that God will protect Israel and that any nation that blesses Israel will be blessed and any nation that curses Israel will be cursed. Just something to think about…

jeffn21 on August 14, 2009 at 9:09 AM

There’s a film about so-called mandatory national service. It’s called Triumph of the Will.

viking01 on August 14, 2009 at 9:13 AM

jeffn21 on August 14, 2009 at 9:09 AM

It sure does. Israel’s even survived to reform after the Roman Empire itself is long gone and nearly forgotten.

Oh wait – that was after being pounded into the dust and the inhabitants scattered all over the known world for the better part of two millenniums.

Not to slam the Almighty or his Word, but his ‘blessings’ on a national level can be rather…mixed. Although we sure won’t get any brownie points for mass murder of our unborn or throwing him out of the public venue.

Dark-Star on August 14, 2009 at 9:54 AM

But their situation is unique (and precarious)…surrounded on three sides by rabid Muslim extremists, in a postage-stamp nation that has almost no tactical depth, and already having survived multiple defensive wars – a record that no nation in history has ever been able to keep up.

And the other non-totalitarian states with mandatory service?

CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM

And the other non-totalitarian states with mandatory service?

CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM

South Korea’s national service is as old as their nation and was founded when it was a thugocracy sport….

The Swiss have a conscription military and most of the rest are socialist nations….”you were saying?”

Dear leaders ideas of service expressed on 2 July of last year do not match the benign service of the aforementioned.

sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM

No way. The ONE has been exposed. The libs have overreached so far and so clumsily that they’ll have a hard time passing anything crazy.

marklmail on August 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM

She should have waited with it until things calmed down with the death panels and health care reform. nobody would take note of this now.

Phoenician on August 14, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Well, this is just another example of our Dear Leader demanding that we do as he says and hot as he doe. I am reminded of a disturbing and bazaar comment that Obama made during an interview with Charlie Gibson just before the election (Gibson sans the Sarah Palin interview professorial reading glasses and tough questions) when he asked Obama if he had ever considered military service. Obama said that he thought about it but there was no war at the time. This was 1979 when the Soviets had invaded Afghanistan, our diplomats were held hostage in Iran, and the Cold War was was getting hot. I guess they didn’t teach Barry about the Cold War in Indonesia or at his Hawaiian prep school. This is another example of The Messiah saying just about anything he wants to the MSM without being challenged. And hey — speaking of national service — what about Obama’s forged Selective Service registration card?

globalmagnetic on August 14, 2009 at 11:58 AM

FDR and Nicon had mandatory slavery. Never again.

Hell no we won’t go!

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Hell, I can barely get my teenagers to clean their rooms and do their chores…if Barry thinks he can do it, more power to him!

Wyznowski on August 14, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Dear leaders ideas of service expressed on 2 July of last year do not match the benign service of the aforementioned.

sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Educate me. What has Obama proposed for national service that’s so pernicious compared with the national service requirements of other non-totalitarian capitalist nations. Switzerland is not socialist. Neither is Finland.

CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM

If we’ve ever had a communist ruling the U.S., it was definitely FDR and his national unity agenda.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM

If we’ve ever had a communist ruling the U.S., it was definitely FDR and his national unity agenda.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Oh you mean the President who set the nation on a path of stable, uninterrupted growth for 5 decades? That communist jerk?

CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 12:27 PM

I was referring to FDR, the president who started communist government slavery program (his draft), prolonged the depression, a socialized America.

LBJ and Nixon built on his campaign with Vietnam though.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:34 PM

If we’ve ever had a communist ruling the U.S., it was definitely FDR and his national unity agenda.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Oh you mean the President who set the nation on a path of stable, uninterrupted growth for 5 decades? That communist jerk?

CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Troll alert

Hiya Ciska on August 14, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Educate me. What has Obama proposed for national service that’s so pernicious compared with the national service requirements of other non-totalitarian capitalist nations. Switzerland is not socialist. Neither is Finland.

CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Why do some of us always want to compare us to other countries? I think we’re great because we are DIFFERENT. Our ways are not their ways, which in my humble opinion is why our country is the greatest, most prosperous on the planet. But then again, I’ve always wanted to be a leader and not a follower. I think if someone wants to be a part of a service organization, it should be out of a desire to help not because our government said it should be so. My 2 cents worth.

search4truth on August 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Troll alert

Hiya Ciska on August 14, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Yeah, this clown is as “independent” as Ogabe’s puppy. Not one word from him as been anything but straight-down-the lne statism and Ogabe worship.

He makes AnninCa look like a towering intellect.

guntotinglibertarian on August 14, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Educate me. What has Obama proposed for national service that’s so pernicious compared with the national service requirements of other non-totalitarian capitalist nations. Switzerland is not socialist. Neither is Finland.

CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM

He surely needs “education”.

Ogabe made a speech during the campaign in which he called for “a Civilian Homeland Security Force every bit as large, every bit as powerful and every bit as well-funded as our military”.

Ignorance sure must be bliss.

guntotinglibertarian on August 14, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Ogabe?

No thanks. I’m a Constitution and Libertarian Party voter (as in smash the evil empire)

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Salon magazine is using Churchhill’s support for socialized medicine against the right.
Of course Churchhill was for socialized everything and mandatory national service. He was an FDR style mobster.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Oh you mean the President who set the nation on a path of stable, uninterrupted growth for 5 decades? That communist jerk?

CrankyIndependent on August 14, 2009 at 12:27 PM

hmmmm

you either mean 1944-1994

er “no” the 70s happened dude…

1933- 1983…again the 70s added in with FDR performing a magic trick we had never seen before a recession within a depression….

and on and on….but take another hit of Hopium….and reread your sermons the mules claim Reagan saw a depression etc etc….

Ogabe’s ‘Civillian National Security Force”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=69601

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/CC434067-2D03-41A7-9CAA-1F85562BADFA/

sven10077 on August 14, 2009 at 4:05 PM

sven10077,

Here’s my take:

The 70′s were due to a misunderstanding the Phillips curve, and Paul Volcker’s embrace of the Friedman solution Fed Chairman (1979-1987.)

Essentially, Friedman realized that that the Phillips curve was only inelastic in the short term so this meant that employment and inflation were linked as a trade off only in the short term. In the long-term the Phillips curve was perfectly elastic. This was the profound misunderstanding of the Federal Reserve during the 70′s. Everything they did made the problem worse and worse and worse.

Doesn’t matter who was in charge as long as you had poor monetary policy it was to be disaster. Carter had the choice off continuing down the path of destruction for the U.S. or bite the bullet and appoint Volcker as he did in 1979.

Reagan bit the bullet too and reappointed Volcker.

The federal funds rate, which had averaged 11.2% in 1979, was raised by Volcker to a peak of 20% in June 1981. The prime rate rose to 21.5% in ’81 as well

It worked out in the long-term although it made life for Reagan difficult in his early term.

Remember Ted Kennedy did not like Carter’s high interest rate solution (The Friedman plan) so he ran against Carter all the way to the convention promising low interest rates among other things.

Spathi on August 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM

spathi, come out of that dark,dank basement.Your momma is callin ya for supper

flyoverboy on August 14, 2009 at 4:52 PM

The Civilian National Security Forces!!

canopfor on August 13, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Otherwise known as O’Chavez’s brownshirts.

Sweet_Thang on August 14, 2009 at 5:54 PM

What could go wrong?

These folks will be first to sign up.

Ugly on August 14, 2009 at 8:02 PM

I think young adults benefit from Boot Camp. Boot camp gets you in shape mentally and physically.

This national service program is political of who ever is running the government.
Federal control of what should be state issues. This belongs at state level and should be eliminated from Federal budget and federal taxes lowered by proportional amount.

Ed Laskie on August 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM

The military industrialist drove the recovery, there were customers for ships, tanks, aircraft, Guns and other items.
Overseas orders then when manpower was needed to make up for soldiers being deployed, women took their jobs. When the big world war two was over and men came home they had cash and needed bigger homes, bedrooms and nurseries. The Baby Boomer’s where spoiled. Now the boomer’s are retiring and collecting SS and Medicare. Younger siblings of the Boomer generation are at risk of not collecting benefits. What was sold as a insurance program run by government was ripped off by legislators to pay for transfer of wealth to their causes.

Ed Laskie on August 14, 2009 at 9:47 PM

Otherwise known as O’Chavez’s brownshirts.

Sweet_Thang on August 14, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Yeah…I know some Marines who would LOVE being policed by Obamabots…..

Rightwingguy on August 14, 2009 at 10:25 PM

National Service in action.

PSUV Youth members have also said they plan to form university and high school patrols. Despite more than 60% of the 1.5 million new members who signed up this year being below the age of 29, youth participation in the assemblies was extremely low.

On the political front, activism in local communities and ideological formation was emphasised. The PSUV leadership document, circulated for discussion at the assemblies, said this was crucial for “accelerating the transition to socialism”.

The document said this transition involved “the transformation of the bourgeois state into a revolutionary and democratic state … the creation of socialist property relations over the means of production … [and] the creation of revolutionary consciousness in working people [through] a profound ideological and cultural revolution”.

elduende on August 15, 2009 at 7:14 AM

Of course, Obambi is now meeting with his focus groups to repackage his awkward statement as his having meant to say he would only support this were it “voluntarily mandatory.”

viking01 on August 15, 2009 at 7:50 AM

Chavez, can you just come pick this guy up? We have no use for this mans attitude. His ideals are more to your liking. We are a free country here.

johnnyU on August 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM

hahahaha…..Mandatory service for the youth along with the rat fink program and what do we have?

The HJ was organized into local cells on a community level.

This organization within the Hitler Youth was a training ground for future labor leaders and technicians.

See, Hitler was simply a community organizer and supporter of the poor downtrodden labor movement. Ochimpy is doing likewise.

Next time you hear someone accuse the right of being NAZI-esque, just remind them exactly which party adopts the same tactics as dear leader Adolf.

csdeven on August 15, 2009 at 9:54 AM

What could go wrong?

These folks will be first to sign up.

Ugly on August 14, 2009 at 8:02 PM

I always wonder: where do these clowns work? What value do they bring to their employers?

TopLawyer on August 15, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Hell No my grandkids won’t go.

bill30097 on August 15, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Heil Obama! (goose stepping)

m1aman on August 15, 2009 at 7:35 PM

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