Breaking: Finance Committee drops “death panel” provisions from Senate bill

posted at 3:23 pm on August 13, 2009 by Allahpundit

I’m surprised it took them this long. If it had been Palin and the right tossing rhetorical grenades, they might have gone to the mat to keep it in there, but as the ‘Cuda herself noted in her response to Obama last night, it ain’t just conservatives who are freaked out by these provisions. Eugene Robinson and Charles Lane at WaPo also concluded that having “outside” input into end-of-life decisions when the government’s desperate to cut costs could lead to abuse; Mickey Kaus and Camille Paglia have hammered The One about it too. And Obama’s done himself no favors trying to explain what he has in mind, as Tom Maguire reminds us. From an interview in April:

THE PRESIDENT: So that’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that’s also a huge driver of cost, right?

I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.

DAVID LEONHARDT: So how do you — how do we deal with it?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels. And that’s part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. It’s not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance. And that’s part of what I suspect you’ll see emerging out of the various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill right now.

“Independent” guidance to seniors about death with an eye to reducing the lion’s share of health-care spending. What could go wrong?

Tired of the political migraines it’s getting from this, the Finance Committee finally decides to, er, pull the plug:

“On the Finance Committee, we are working very hard to avoid unintended consequences by methodically working through the complexities of all of these issues and policy options,” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) said in a statement. “We dropped end-of-life provisions from consideration entirely because of the way they could be misinterpreted and implemented incorrectly.”…

“The bill passed by the House committees is so poorly cobbled together that it will have all kinds of unintended consequences, including making taxpayers fund healthcare subsidies for illegal immigrants,” Grassley said. The veteran Iowa lawmaker said the end-of-life provision in those bills would pay physicians to “advise patients about end-of-life care and rate physician quality of care based on the creation of and adherence to orders for end-of-life care.

In theory it could be reintroduced in the conference committee after each chamber passes a bill, but given the outcry over this, why risk an explosion that might queer the whole deal at the 11th hour? This never should have been in the bill in the first place, frankly; the way to encourage living wills (or, say, organ donation) so that people don’t end up undergoing expensive treatments they don’t really want is through a general public education/advertising campaign, not individual meetings with ailing patients terrified that the care they need to stay alive isn’t “cost-effective” in their case. Exit question: This is a win for Palin, but is it also a win for Obama? Now he can reassure Americans that the most worrisome parts of the bill are stripped out.

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hehe

Onward.

artist on August 13, 2009 at 3:24 PM

There were no “death panel” provisions.

Right?

LOL.

lorien1973 on August 13, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Sarah Palan +1

Barry 0

gophergirl on August 13, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Palan/Palin -it’s been a long day

gophergirl on August 13, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Exit question: This is a win for Palin, but is it also a win for Obama? Now he can reassure Americans that the most worrisome parts of the bill are stripped out.

Never a good thing though, to sell your product by saying, “Don’t worry, we got the whole pull-the-plug-on-grandma provision out. Now we’re rockin’ and rollin’.”

Pasalubong on August 13, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Aren’t they on break – how has that been dropped.

Oh and Go Sarah!!!

BlueWaters on August 13, 2009 at 3:26 PM

It’s not the most worrisome provision of ObamaCare and it will be put back in during conference or re-created by the health panel after the bill is passed.

myrenovations on August 13, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Okay, now what about the coverage of illegal aliens…?

d1carter on August 13, 2009 at 3:26 PM

This is a win for Palin, but is it also a win for Obama? Now he can reassure Americans that the most worrisome parts of the bill are stripped out.

Obama: Those “death panel” provisions that were never in the bill are now gone.

What?

lorien1973 on August 13, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Exit question: This is a win for Palin, but is it also a win for Obama? Now he can reassure Americans that the most worrisome parts of the bill are stripped out.

That’s what worries me…they’ll strip out just enough of the worst stuff (though it can always go back in later) to get this turd passed.

AUINSC on August 13, 2009 at 3:26 PM

that is good news and double sweet courtesy of
palin.

rob verdi on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

the unraveling begins
:-)

cmsinaz on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

The Left will mess their pants over this…they’ll be “Soiling Greens”

Mr. Bingley on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

She’s just getting more and more irrelevant..

the_nile on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

I guess this means more wrath for Sarah form the SRM

HoustonRight on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Way to go, ‘Cuda!!

StephC on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Exit question: This is a win for Palin, but is it also a win for Obama? Now he can reassure Americans that the most worrisome parts of the bill are stripped out.

That’s my concern, too.

amerpundit on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

There were no “death panel” provisions.

Right?

LOL.

……..

Think Animal Farm.

It was never there.

artist on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Looks like Sarah Palin was right about the death panels.

MSM gfy.

there it is on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Crap – this is what I was afraid of.

It does nothing (or not much) to kill it for the main reasons it should be killed.

connertown on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

What is the big deal? Nasty and Waxman will just put it back in later.

bloggless on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Yeah…she can do more good outside of the government.

ZJPolitical on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

How can they remove something that was never there?
I guess Sarah ain’t so “finished” after all.
The “quitter” just made the liberals quit.

right2bright on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

You can’t just “drop it from the bill” by cutting the compensation for consultation.
“Death panel” is built into the underlying framework.

Count to 10 on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Nonexistent Death Panels removed from the bill.

BPD on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Ivy League “intellectuals” outsmarted by common sense, logical arguments from real America.

SouthernGent on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

That’s what worries me…they’ll strip out just enough of the worst stuff (though it can always go back in later) to get this turd passed.

AUINSC on August 13, 2009 at 3:26 PM

second that

cmsinaz on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Sarah is getting ripped apart over at LGF now.

redshirt on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Don’t celebrate at all, because it can EASILY be put back in, like in conference.

The libs are pouring over thesaurases right now trying to figure out how to reword the same thing.

Darksean on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Exit question: This is a win for Palin, but is it also a win for Obama? Now he can reassure Americans that the most worrisome parts of the bill are stripped out.

I don’t think so. It proves she got them to admit she was right. Now she will point out something else wrong and who will they believe?

Or not.

TendStl on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

There were no “death panel” provisions.

Right?

LOL.

……..

Think Animal Farm.

It was never there.

artist on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

YOU ARE RIGHT! IF THERE WERE NO DEATH PANEL PROVISIONS WHY DID THE SOBS TAKE THEM OUT?

bloggless on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

“On the Finance Committee, we are working very hard to avoid unintended consequences by methodically working through the complexities of all of these issues and policy options,” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) said in a statement. “We dropped end-of-life provisions from consideration entirely because of the way they could be misinterpreted and implemented incorrectly.”…

Sellout alert – There are a whole lot more problems with the bill than just this one provision. Grassley needs to retire in 2010.

Hiya Ciska on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

read what grassley said again. is he saying that the senate version is eliminating healthcare subsidies for illegals?

hold his feet to that fire. i will believe it when i see it.

kelley in virginia on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Note: This is the SENATE version of the bill. It’s still in the House bill(s).

SouthernGent on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Count to 10 on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Yep. But it’s the admission that’s important.

lorien1973 on August 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM

“The bill passed by the House committees is so poorly cobbled together that it will have all kinds of unintended consequences, including making taxpayers fund healthcare subsidies for illegal immigrants,” Grassley said.

Taking pot shots at those inferior folks in the House. Excellent.

Cindy Munford on August 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Whoopi was right.

bloggless on August 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM

That woman…

LibTired on August 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM

A loss for Obama, a MAJOR win for the ‘Cuda.

By Obama stating that now people can support the bill because that provision is taken out, is ludicrous. That will make him admit that he wants this and in turn will garner less support for this bill and any other.

It took Sarah on Facebook to push the dumb GOP and liberals to take this provision out of the bill.

cubachi on August 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM

They need to ditch this crap and start all over.

d1carter on August 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Palin: “I won”

faraway on August 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Ive read that”legal Residents” are covered,but not required to pay the tax.True?or not? and that dumb,redneck Palin woman…Blitzed a tough defense.didnt she?

theTarCzar on August 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM

THIS BILL IS A SHELL GAME.

bloggless on August 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM

How can they remove something that was never there?
I guess Sarah ain’t so “finished” after all.
The “quitter” just made the liberals quit.

right2bright on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Well, don’t get too excited yet. It remains a steaming pile of crap.

Besides, the news in this posting is based on what the Republican member on one committee is saying. The House and other Senate panels can just put it back in tomorrow (or September). Much like card check, they promise to remove it and then slip it back in during a midnight session.

They’ll strip out just enough of the horrific provisions to pass it.

amerpundit on August 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Quitters!

the_nile on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Former Governor Palin supported death panels in Alaska before she quit her job.

Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Eh… that was debunked.

Next?

BPD on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Oh to bad I wanted to be on it. I had a whole list of liberals I wanted to assit in exiting this worls.

mcl2177 on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM

I guess these brilliant minds decided that ensuring competition with pulling granny’s plug isn’t really all that important afterall

gatorboy on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Ooh!

Saracuda

blatantblue on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Smells like victory…

When the entire bill gets napalm’d, then we’ll smell victory. Until then, don’t let up the pressure until the bill is killed. No negotiating on false premises.

phreshone on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Once again I demand that the provision as with all their phony schemes be applied to those that vote DemonRat so that if they can be punished by their own collective and individual stupidity.

larvcom on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Note: This is the SENATE version of the bill. It’s still in the House bill(s).

SouthernGent on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

It’s not even the entire Senate version. It’s what one member of the committee is saying that one committee in the Senate will do.

amerpundit on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Thank you, Sarah! Leadership from outside the government! Oh have they underestimated you!

Christian Conservative on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Quitters!

the_nile on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM

LOL

lorien1973 on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Healthcare Decisions Day… f*cking LOL… you libs are the dumbest people on the planet. Every day.

LibTired on August 13, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Exit question: This is a win for Palin, but is it also a win for Obama? Now he can reassure Americans that the most worrisome parts of the bill are stripped out.

Possibly.

Though I think most would prefer that the whole thing be scrapped. Who knows what else exists in that unreadable pile?

misslizzi on August 13, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Sarah is getting ripped apart over at LGF now.

redshirt on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Charles Johnson is bucking for Olby’s Best Person Award. He’s jealous of Ed.

Disturb the Universe on August 13, 2009 at 3:31 PM

VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL AGAINST THIS PILE OF CRAP:

DO NOT LET UP. KEEP HAMMERING THEM. DO NOT BE COMPLACENT. DON’T LET THEM THINK WE HAVE BACKED OFF. KEEP IT GOING.

bloggless on August 13, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Former Governor Palin supported death panels in Alaska before she quit her job.

Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

spazi, spazi. I know you have trouble with facts. Does this talk about government forcing this process?

faraway on August 13, 2009 at 3:31 PM

The Left will mess their pants over this…they’ll be “Soiling Mom Jeans Greens

Mr. Bingley on August 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM

FIFY

thomasaur on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Out: We’re not gonna kill granny
In: We’re not gonna kill granny anymore

LibTired on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Nonexistent Death Panels removed from the nonexistent bill.

BPD on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Needed a little fixing to keep up with the current donk meme.

Blake on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

And? They will easily slip this back in when in another committee. Aren’t there several versions of the bill anyway?

It’s all a sham.

Just like how they might eventually drop the language of a public option but the provisions will still be there.

Just like how they shoved abortion coverage back in.

TORT REFORM.

ILLEGALS OFF MEDICAID.

Maybe fund some health departments…give them a boost or something. But, keep out of the healthcare business, CONGRESS and WHITE HOUSE.

Mommypundit on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

This actually makes me a little sad. I serve as a hospital Chaplain and bereavement counselor, and I actually think that talking about end of life issues, living wills and durable powers of attorney much earlier in the illness process has the possibility of easing future hardships and mitigating the rabid denial of death that we have here in the good ol’ US of A. I’ve spent years sitting with folks in hospices and in ICUs in prayer and solidarity, and I think a lot of pain and suffering could be eased if we would advocate for education around the dying process. I think the strong, visceral reactions to ‘death panels’ actually speaks to the fear and discomfort and misinformation we have around end-of-life and healthcare.

Frostbite on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

That’s great but we need to keep telling them we do not want them controlling our h/care….There is a provision in there on pg. 838 I believe that is called house visitation(c/norris had an article on it)that lets them come to a house w/children and educate parents on a child’s behavior!!! Absolutely not!Noone should be able to tell you how to raise your kids.
No government in my h/care!

ohiobabe on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Palin: “I won”

faraway on August 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM

… and they called her a quitter.

I love this woman.

UltimateBob on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Good News, Comrades: as per your request, we removed a portion of the bill that never existed in the first place. Now we can be totally trusted to provide top-of-the-line medical care.

Is this the Twilight Zone???

MobsterinVA on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

What next, Sarah? We humbly await your orders.

bloggless on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

In theory it could be reintroduced in the conference committee after each chamber passes a bill…..

Eh, why not? They did exactly the same thing with certain Porkulus provisions (when there was a public outcry over those “porky” little amendments….right, Schmucky?) when it went to conference.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

THIS BILL IS A SHELL GAME.

bloggless on August 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM

True , it’s just the end of the beginning.

the_nile on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Smells like victory…
When the entire bill gets napalm’d, then we’ll smell victory. Until then, don’t let up the pressure until the bill is killed. No negotiating on false premises.

phreshone on August 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Next item on the “Save the planet” agenda is Amnesty and back to decapitate and tax.

larvcom on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

But, she stood in front of a turkey while it was being killed.

And, a relative of hers was arrested for something.

lorien1973 on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Sarah must be some sort of pale voodoo priestess – and a very efficient one at that……impressive she is…….

Remember kids, when the wretched bully falls down, KEEP KICKING till he wiggles no more

Ris4victory on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Folks, folks. I understand the excitement because Palin mentioned this a few days ago and now it seems like victory, but the celebrations are premature.

Liberals haven’t bent on the measure and it’s not out of the legislation for good. It’s just Grassley saying his committee in the one chamber of Congress won’t put it in their version of the bill.

Neither the House nor the rest of the Senate has been stopped.

amerpundit on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Amazing: One private citizen in Alaska vs. Barry Ogabe, the US Congress & the entire MSM

Result: Palin won

Again, this woman has done more to damage ObamaCare than any other individual.

The unraveling has begun. Vindicated on “Death Panels”, she is now free to attack other aspect of ObamaCare with even more vigor.

Go ‘Cuda!

Norwegian on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Don’t let up now. Like a marathon runner who tests his opponent with a burst of energy, you keep pouring it on when they fall behind.

Keep pushing. Who was the movie critic who said in modern movies you have to kill the villain three times before he/she/it is dead?

This bill ain’t dead yet, only injured.

Skandia Recluse on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

They’re dropping the provision, but they’ll keep the 26-member “Friends of Barry Death Panel”. 100-1 says Rahm’s brother Zeek is first to be named.

ROCnPhilly on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Note: This is the SENATE version of the bill. It’s still in the House bill(s).

SouthernGent on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

The Senate holds the cards on this one though. The only bill that will pass is one that can get 60 votes in the Senate. Even if it gets mangled again in a conference committee, the conference report has to get 60 votes in the Senate.

I think there won’t even be a vote on the Waxman bill in the House now. They will wait and see what the Senate comes up with.

rockmom on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Out: We’re not gonna kill granny
In: We’re not gonna kill granny anymore

LibTired on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

We were never going to kill granny and to prove it, we’re going to remove that provision!

artist on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Former Governor Palin supported death panels in Alaska before she quit her job

Yeah, for wolves.

I won’t be happy until the whole bill is dead and cremated.

Beaglemom on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

They will just re-calibrate the “death panels”………

……….. to mean “assisted living”.

Seven Percent Solution on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

MY girl Palin, has too much juice!!! How many Republicans in office have been able to do this with any provision. NONE!

She is flexing her muscle, and its too strong

conservador on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

How was it debunked when it’s a brand new story.

Palin advocated the same death panels as Obama while she was governor.

Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Never has a size 2 had so much power.

bloggless on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

What newspapers does this lady read?

faraway on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Former Governor Palin supported death panels in Alaska before she quit her job.

Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

No need to work so hard, buddy, I stopped supporting her yesterday after that bad CNN poll.

myrenovations on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

A simple post on facebook. God I love this woman!

daesleeper on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

amerpundit on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

It’s all about the admission that it was in there. And that Palin was right. So the next thing she writes will have a lot more credibility and not dismissed out of hand.

I’ve been down on her, but I think this is awesome.

lorien1973 on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

why can’t all of congress go on a 6 mos leave of absence. i support continuing their salaries if they promise to do nothing, vote on nothing, don’t speak on the phone with the press or each other.

kelley in virginia on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

TORT REFORM.

ILLEGALS OFF MEDICAID.

Maybe fund some health departments…give them a boost or something. But, keep out of the healthcare business, CONGRESS and WHITE HOUSE.

Mommypundit on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Wow. A raaaaaaaacist with mucho angry issues. You really should seek some competent therapy. I hear the gubmint has a great plan.

/sarc

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

THIS WHOLE GOVERNMENT MOVEMENT TO “REFORM” HEALTHCARE IS BOGUS…….

ANYTHING THE SOCIALISTS FLOAT AS “REFORM” – IS NOT…..

REAL REFORM WOULD INVOLVE LESS GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN HEALTHCARE – NOT MORE

izoneguy on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Palin Power!

pseudonominus on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Sarah is getting ripped apart over at LGF now.

redshirt on August 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Charles Johnson is bucking for Olby’s Best Person Award. He’s jealous of Ed.

Disturb the Universe on August 13, 2009 at 3:31 PM

I’m glad Charles is working so hard to keep the right honest, but sometimes I think he overdoes it. I find myself spending a lot less time there lately.

redshirt on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Out: We’re not gonna kill granny
In: We’re not gonna kill granny anymore for now

LibTired on August 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM

the_nile on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Neither the House nor the rest of the Senate has been stopped.

amerpundit on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Yup.

artist on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

“This is a win for Palin, but is it also a win for Obama? Now he can reassure Americans that the most worrisome parts of the bill are stripped out.”

A definite win for Palin – and despite your resistance, AP, even you will soon be assimilated!

Political Junkie on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Palin advocated the same death panels as Obama while she was governor.

Spathi on August 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

So you agree that Obama is advocating death panels?

lorien1973 on August 13, 2009 at 3:35 PM

I’m glad this is out just in case the idiots in this country somehow shove this shit sandwich down our throats. But I remain optimistic that as long as we’re paying for abortions and illegals in this bill, it will still die.

hollygolightly on August 13, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Exit question: This is a win for Palin, but is it also a win for Obama? Now he can reassure Americans that the most worrisome parts of the bill are stripped out.

By removing the “death panel” provisions, the dems have been knocked back on their heals and have had to cede ground. They are still on defense. Keep the pressure on by moving to the abortion-funding, and illegal aliens provisions. No time to back down.

ICBM on August 13, 2009 at 3:35 PM

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