USA Today fact-checks Obama’s town-hall assertions

posted at 11:36 am on August 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

They’re not terribly enthusiastic about it, but USA Today corrects the record — in a sidebar — on a number of assertions made by Barack Obama yesterday at his Portsmouth, NH forum.  They leave out the biggest whopper, which is Obama’s claim that he has never favored single-payer health-care systems, but they do catch a couple of other big fibs, including Obama’s snow job on AARP endorsement.  One of the best catches from USA Today concerns Medicare Advantage, about which Obama has lied for over two years:

“Insurance companies basically get $177 billion of taxpayer money to provide services that Medicare already provides.”

About 10.2 million Medicare recipients are in Medicare Advantage. Under that program, the government pays insurers a set amount per Medicare beneficiary. Obama ridiculed it as costly and redundant, but the plan provides additional benefits, such as vision, dental and hearing, to seniors and helps coordinate health care for those with chronic conditions, says Robert Zirkelbach at the trade association, America’s Health Insurance Plans.

In fact, Medicare Advantage is a Godsend for those trapped within the Medicare system.  Recipients pay substantial monthly premiums, but the plan allows for better provider payments, which keep providers from locking patients out of their clinics.  The extended insurance provides coverage for services which Medicare ignores, and some create a co-payment system rather than the 60/40 system Medicare gives seniors and the disabled in practice.

How do I know this?  The First Mate has Medicare Advantage, and we saw what Medicare did before we got the supplemental coverage.  It’s a disaster for anyone needing anything more than just maintenance care.

Next:

“Under the reform we’re proposing, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

Not necessarily. In an analysis of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee bill, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimated that 10 million workers could lose employer-provided benefits and would have to find other insurance.

Some analyses put that number much higher — as high as 83 million.  Obama insists on making this argument despite all evidence to the contrary, especially since businesses control insurance options for most people in the US.  If Obama makes it attractive for businesses to dump their employees into a public plan, then most people won’t be able to keep their existing plans.  And thanks to ObamaCare, they won’t have many options to find private insurance, either.

“The rumor that’s been circulating a lot lately is this idea that somehow the House of Representatives voted for ‘death panels’ that will basically pull the plug on Grandma. … (T)he intention. .. was to give people more information so that they could handle issues of end-of-life care when they’re ready, on their own terms. … (O)ne of the chief sponsors of this bill originally was a Republican … (Sen.) Johnny Isakson from Georgia.”

Isakson issued a press release saying Obama misused his name. A provision he attached to a Senate health care bill would allow seniors to obtain help in formulating a living will something Isakson said is different from House language. The House bill would require Medicare to pay for end-of-life counseling sessions, but it would not mandate that anyone use the benefit.

The media had a field day with this yesterday, using Isakson as a bat with which beat conservative critics, but it never occurred to the layers of fact-checkers and editors that a Senator would have had nothing to do with a clause in a House bill.  In fact, Isakson does support making end-of-life planning available, but doesn’t support the mandate for it that exists in Section 1233 of the House bill.

Kudos to USA Today for doing a good job of fact-checking, even if they couldn’t devote a separate article to it.  (via QandO)


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Islam has a concept called Al-Takeyya, which allows Muslims to lie to protect one’s self or fellow Muslims, or to advance Islamic goals. It’s as if Obama and the Obamedia have adopted this concept in aid of their socialist causes.

starboardhelm on August 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Some analyses put that number much higher — as high as 83 million. Obama insists on making this argument despite all evidence to the contrary, especially since businesses control insurance options for most people in the US. If Obama makes it attractive for businesses to dump their employees into a public plan, then most people won’t be able to keep their existing plans. And thanks to ObamaCare, they won’t have many options to find private insurance, either.

This is interesting and well reasoned, but ultimately beside the point, and perhaps even harmful.

The bottom line is that the Federal Government has no legitimate role to play in medicine or insurance, apart from protecting individual rights (which is largely a State job, anyway) of contract, voluntary trade, and so forth.

The portion of the health care debate that argues about whether ObamaCare would be more or less costly, provide poorer or better quality, etc. is all completely beside the point.

The only thing the Feds can productively do is reform tort law and then GET OUT OF THE WAY so that the free market can do what it does well (when it’s allowed to function). That is still a utilitarian argument, though. The fundamental is that freedom is not negotiable, no matter what the short-term practical benefits (or losses) might be.

The pragmatists in this debate are not helping by accepting the Progressive framing of the argument.

JDPerren on August 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

What I want to know is who is making “The One’s” nomex slacks. If I lied as often as he does, mine would erupt in spontaneous combustion.

Mini-14 on August 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Surprise: The White House is said to be busy this month crafting its own draft on health-care reform — with an emphasis on regulation of insurers designed to tap into consumer distrust and discontent with existing coverage.

Having chosen insurers as its designated villains, how will the administration craft a plan that “just happens” to wind up producing a form of nationalized health care?

Simple: Call for supplanting state regulation of existing insurance plans in favor of federal regulation — which will extend even to the employer-provided coverage that’s now free from most regulation.

Specifically, the White House plan will force insurers to cover all applicants, regardless of lifestyle or prior health conditions (known in industry jargon as “guaranteed issue”) and to charge everyone the same general price regardless of their health factors (”community rating”). The Obama team will also call for federal formulas to limit insurers’ profits and a Washington regulator to set minimum plan benefits.

The package will also aim to supplant federal ERISA law, which now lets large employers offer uniform health plans across state lines, free from costly federal and state regulation. (The White House has already endorsed the House bill that would gut ERISA after a five-year grace period.)

In short order, this regulatory regime would bring a federal takeover of the private-insurance market. Remaining insurers would operate as utilities at the behest of new regulatory agencies and a White House-anointed “health choices commissioner.”

In the long run, most insurers will simply fold — limiting the choices people have and leaving a government-run plan the only option. Private insurance will exist only as wrap-around policies available to the well-to-do.

The government-run, “public” insurance option remains the most controversial piece of Obama’s plan, but this tactical shift could entice a handful of squishy Republicans on board — enough to coat the final program with a veneer of bipartisanship.

By any measure, a “public” health plan will create a death spiral for insurance companies by “competing” on an uneven playing field. The “public” option would be unburdened from costly regulations and capital requirements imposed on private plans and free to tap the Treasury to subsidize its own business operations.

That has made Republicans wary of the “public option.” So the administration may hide this government-run plan when it unveils ObamaCare 2.0 next month. One rumored scenario is for Obama to couple new regulatory burdens on private insurers with a “public” plan that’s a “fallback” option in markets where not enough private insurers choose to — or can — compete.

But this is an end-run to the same goal. Private insurers will, over time, be bludgeoned out of business by federal regulations. The last plan standing will be the public insurance, whether it’s offered as a “fallback” or an up-front option.

The result will be the same. Only the timeline to get there will have changed.

Scott Gottlieb is a practicing physician and an American Enterprise Institute resi dent fellow. He is a partner in a firm that invests in health-care companies.

NY Post.

Obama now may have a plan, after watching the Congressional Dems make the mistakes and take the heat for him.

Wethal on August 12, 2009 at 12:26 PM

When you’ve lost USA Today, you have lost the country.

PappaMac on August 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM

When you’ve lost USA Today, you have lost the country.

PappaMac on August 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM

No, when you loose the country the mainstream media takes the hint and jumps ship like rats.

Holger on August 12, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Obama now may have a plan, after watching the Congressional Dems make the mistakes and take the heat for him.

Smart move, frankly.

AnninCA on August 12, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Obama to USA Today…………..

………… “Nice paper you have there,

It would be a shame if something happened to it.”

Seven Percent Solution on August 12, 2009 at 12:39 PM

So, will USA Today start advertising these again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCiTAJi1yRk

TexasJew on August 12, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Little by little — The Joker lies.

tarpon on August 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Gene Watson has a song entitled “Little by Little” and includes the words “little by little we’re losing it all”. Of course, it’s about a love relationship between two people. But still works since, hopefully, more people are looking more closely at the POTUS and the direction he’s taking our country. How did we get here. I will never be apathetic again. I email and watch the votes of my Senators and Rep. I will continue to do so and I will remain politically involved. My father did not give 3 years of service in WWII and come back partially disabled to have our country losing it all. I will carry on his values and his fight.

momoftxmomof3 on August 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Should I send that URL to flag@whitehouse.gov?

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Has anyone ever seen, read, or heard Obama’s plan? What is Obama’s plan? What plan other than single payer does Obama claim to support?

fourdeucer on August 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Perhaps in a warped Narcissistic way, Obama truly believes that he is not lying. Precisely because he has not put forth a plan of his own (notice he craftily cites the Senate or House bill/plan), he feels he’ll be able to lay the blame on Pelosi, Reid, et al for its ultimate failure. His plan would have been different after all.

Obama never has put forth a genuine idea of his own. Because of his talents(?) he has been the chosen point man while never having to explain a damned thing and simply mouthing platitudes.

singer on August 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM

When you’ve lost USA Today, you have lost the country.

PappaMac on August 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM

bingo!

agree with Ed, convienent that they omit the biggest lie of them all…

cmsinaz on August 12, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Per Rush, AARP is MoveOn with false teeth.
So funny. So right.

SKYFOX on August 12, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Obama now may have a plan, after watching the Congressional Dems make the mistakes and take the heat for him.

Smart move, frankly.

AnninCA on August 12, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Dumb move actually.

Obama has spent the last 2 months talking about the health care “plan”. He didn’t go into details of who wrote what. It was “the plan”. Now he comes out with a new plan which is different than the old plan, the same plan he spent two months fighting for?

Yeah effing brilliant strategy.

Damn you libs are getting more dense by the day.

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 12:46 PM

But what is going to be worse for the Obamotics is that one day they will have to admit that yes, (gulp) someone can be worse than Dubya. Unfortunately, we will all have to put with this crapola for many more years.

Texasrocker on August 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Have you ever heard anyone admit voting for carter?

jbh45 on August 12, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Obama lied, seniors died.

NeighborhoodCatLady on August 12, 2009 at 12:47 PM

He was “for a single-payer plan” before he was “against a single-payer plan’.
Damn that sounds familiar some how…
And sort of fishy.

Hotel1 on August 12, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Should I send that URL to flag@whitehouse.gov?

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Not a problem. When they come for me TXMomof3 will give them something to remember. You might want to add that I went to DC for the Tax Day Tea Party, was at the 37,000 strong July 4 Dallas Tea Party and will be there at the 912 March on DC. Had my reservations for months.

momoftxmomof3 on August 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 12:46 PM

AnninCa was educated in the LAUSD schools sytem, what’cha expect?

jbh45 on August 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Smart move, frankly.

AnninCA on August 12, 2009 at 12:34 PM

No, the only move he has left, besides just giving up…and a man obsessed with ruining the economy won’t give up until he does.
So this will be a failure…any amount of money that he basically keeps the same bill, but obfuscates it with language that is difficult to discern, then he tries to ram it through without any real analysis or debate.
Other words…he will cheat and lie, business as usual…and people like you will be “charmed”.

right2bright on August 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Per Rush, AARP is MoveOn with false teeth.
So funny. So right.

SKYFOX on August 12, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Thanks. That’s funny. Nothing tops ridicule.

BuckeyeSam on August 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Dumb move actually.

Obama has spent the last 2 months talking about the health care “plan”. He didn’t go into details of who wrote what. It was “the plan”. Now he comes out with a new plan which is different than the old plan, the same plan he spent two months fighting for?

Yeah effing brilliant strategy.

Damn you libs are getting more dense by the day.

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Well, what Obama said and what HR 3200 said never matched up. We know that. So he brings out a plan that matches his talk. Not only does he win the American people with a good plan* he also bitch slaps Congressional Democrats (who are an anchor around his leg)

There is the brilliance of it.

*= A plan that fixes the issues with the current free-market insurance system and expands coverage to more people.

Holger on August 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM

jbh45 on August 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

At least she speaks English. So she has that going for her.

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 12:51 PM

I don’t think people demand absolute rigidity in consistency from politicians. So much *nanner nanner* stuff comes from bloggers and those entirely too partisan to really claim they are being objective.

I do think the biggest issue is that a lot of what Obama as sold isn’t what we’re seeing in the bills. The bells and whistles are killing reform, and that is because the lobbyists are way too involved.

The idea has gotten mucked up, in other words, by Congress.

AnninCA on August 12, 2009 at 12:51 PM

There is the brilliance of it.

yup, IF he can deliver.

AnninCA on August 12, 2009 at 12:52 PM

BTW: I meant to ask much earlier: in his comments yesterday, Obama started the bit about government-run healthcare by trying to distinguish universal healthcare from single-payer system. He seemed to go to pains to say that he wasn’t in favor of single-payer–though we all know he’s lying. But did he conclusively say that he’s proposing universal healthcare.

Whatever the case, in the realworld scheme of things, isn’t universal healthcare and single-payer one and the same thing? Isn’t Obama jumping through definitional hoops to make a distinction without a difference?

As I’ve said elsewhere, he does a terrible job of explaining things to the folks.

BuckeyeSam on August 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM

right2bright on August 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

I’ll second that!

singer on August 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM

The idea has gotten mucked up, in other words, by Congress.

AnninCA on August 12, 2009

The “idea” is the problem. Congress is just trying to put flesh on the skeleton of government-run healthcare. As usual, they are doing it badly but that doesn’t change the fact that the “idea” kills freedom no matter the skin you wrap around it.

SKYFOX on August 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM

AnninCa was educated in the LAUSD schools sytem, what’cha expect?

Wrong again.

AnninCA on August 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Should I send that URL to flag@whitehouse.gov?

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Of course, it’s your duty as a patriot. No one should spread fishy rumor about The One without consequences.

Sir Galahad the Pure on August 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM

The “idea” is the problem. Congress is just trying to put flesh on the skeleton of government-run healthcare. As usual, they are doing it badly but that doesn’t change the fact that the “idea” kills freedom no matter the skin you wrap around it.

Well, that’s where we’ll part paths. I don’t see much freedom in what’s going on now with private insurance. My perspective? You have less say-so in private industry than in government enterprise. At least you can vote the rascals out! Try making a difference in your insurance company. *haha

AnninCA on August 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Holger on August 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM

So he blindly fights for a bad plan for 2 months, calling anyone who opposes it a racist or a fool. Then he sees the light and comes out with a better plan.

Remember those I voted for it before I voted against it commercials in 2004?

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Obama could very well have lied about favoring a single payer system. And universal does not mean government taking over the entire healthcare industry. Just a way of everyone having health insurance, either through reforms or creation of government sponsored enterprises.

Holger on August 12, 2009 at 1:01 PM

OK people, fess up. Which one of you is double posting as Ann? Nobody can be this dense.

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 1:02 PM

“Under the reform we’re proposing, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

.
And if you don’t like it you can keep your mouth shut!

This FAIL lies every time he opens his mouth.

ronsfi on August 12, 2009 at 1:06 PM

No, the only move he has left, besides just giving up…and a man obsessed with ruining the economy country won’t give up until he does.
right2bright on August 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

FIFY.

wordsmithy2009 on August 12, 2009 at 1:10 PM

I watched that town hall yesterday, I was impressed by Obama’s mastery of the crowd, when he fielded that tough question from the 12 yr old girl 2 questions in…..

Ozprey on August 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM

She was a plant, like most of the questions at Obama events…

JIMV on August 12, 2009 at 1:12 PM

At least you can vote the rascals out! Try making a difference in your insurance company. *haha

AnninCA on August 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM

You are forgetting a harsh fact of American politics. You can vote the rascals out but you cannot vote out an entrenched bureacracy. They are like diamonds; forever.

SKYFOX on August 12, 2009 at 1:17 PM

“Insurance companies basically get $177 billion of taxpayer money to provide services that Medicare already provides.”

That sent a chill down my spine yesterday. He’ll say the same thing in a few years, but substitute “public option” for “Medicare.”

And AnninCA, we solicit employee input on our health plan every single year. We’re probably going to fire our HRA administrators over slow customer service, in fact. We’re not alone in offering that sort of consumer influence…

DrSteve on August 12, 2009 at 1:18 PM

I punish my kids for lying….will folks in this country do anything to this president who lies repeatedly to us with his nose in the air and smugness on his face?

KJW on August 12, 2009 at 1:21 PM

His lips were moving so I’m certain it was a lie!

TrickyDick on August 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM

An honest politician is an out of work politician.

Holger on August 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Well, that’s where we’ll part paths. I don’t see much freedom in what’s going on now with private insurance. My perspective? You have less say-so in private industry than in government enterprise.
AnninCA on August 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Ann, you’re saying all private insurance is bad? Why are most people happy with the plan they have then? According to Gallup 83% of Americans say the quality of their health care is excellent and just shy of 70% say their health care plan is excellent or good. So you think we should change the whole system for those disgruntled 15 to 30 percent? In the liberal rational those figures would be an overwhelming majority or a super mandate if you will.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/102934/majority-americans-satisfied-their-own-healthcare.aspx

If you don’t like yours, then you have the freedom of choice to change companies until you find one you like. Or you could always run for Congress and get that insurance — they seem to like theirs pretty well. You see it’s not about the system, it’s about controlling the system and your team wants to control us all.

wordsmithy2009 on August 12, 2009 at 1:28 PM

I do think the biggest issue is that a lot of what Obama as sold isn’t what we’re seeing in the bills. The bells and whistles are killing reform, and that is because the lobbyists are way too involved.

The lobbiest are responsible for the idiotic democrat bill? What lobbiest exactly? Which lobby group pushed for all of the idiotic things in the house or senate bill?

Man, some people simply cannot see reality through their ideology.

The idea that Obama is going to come up with a “good plan” at the ninth hour is ridiculous. Unless his new plan gets rid of the public option it will still be just as bad.

Monkeytoe on August 12, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Well, that’s where we’ll part paths. I don’t see much freedom in what’s going on now with private insurance. My perspective? You have less say-so in private industry than in government enterprise.
AnninCA on August 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM

That one statement sums up her worldview. She does not like anything “private”. She believes in government. that is all this is about for her and people like her. Private industry and business = bad. government = good. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, people like her believe the gov’t is capable of running things well and efficiently. Like the post office. Amtrak. Or a million other examples. The fact that Medicare, Medicaid, and VA health care are so poor and the former two ready to go bankrupt, does not bother these people at all. Somehow the gov’t taking over more will solve the problem.

Monkeytoe on August 12, 2009 at 1:34 PM

I wonder what Meagan McCain thinks about that article.

I.M. Shatner on August 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Well, that’s where we’ll part paths. I don’t see much freedom in what’s going on now with private insurance. My perspective? You have less say-so in private industry than in government enterprise.
AnninCA on August 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Liberty is slavery?

What a load of tripe. The Free-Market is about Liberty! You cannot divorce a portion of Liberty from the greater whole and not cheapen Liberty. If you steal people’s medical liberty you hit their economic liberty, their social liberty, their dietary liberty and other portions of Liberty.

Democrats pursuit for One-party healthcare is driving Healthcare costs up and forcing private insurance to dump consumers in order to remain competitive. You cannot take control of a healthy industry, there is no need to take control of it, there is no crisis to take advantage of!

Actual reform would lower costs and allow private insurance to expand. And you would not need government control.

Tort Reform
Break the monopolies to increase competition
Force government to pay free-market prices
Immigration reform

Result? Healthcare costs nose-dive and choice increases.

Holger on August 12, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Kudos to USA Today for doing a good job of fact-checking, even if they couldn’t devote a separate article to it. (via QandO)

Thet’re just hedging their bets. If Obama gets overthrown (2012!!!), then they can maintain at least a shred of credibility to keep readers.

bluelightbrigade on August 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I wonder what Meagan McCain thinks about that article.

I.M. Shatner on August 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM

I know this is sarcasm ur using lol, but I’ll say it this in response anyway:

You’re about the only one who does.

:]

bluelightbrigade on August 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM

The House bill has become a cancer that Americans are fighting with massive radiation. If Obama comes up with another plan, guess what? We don’t need a new diagnosis. We’ll apply instant radiation to his plan, too.

Anything he comes up with now is tainted by association. He must know that.

Grace_is_sufficient on August 12, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Islam has a concept called Al-Takeyya, which allows Muslims to lie to protect one’s self or fellow Muslims, or to advance Islamic goals. It’s as if Obama and the Obamedia have adopted this concept in aid of their socialist causes.

starboardhelm on August 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Good call there Starboardhelm.

Salaami

44Magnum on August 12, 2009 at 2:00 PM

I haven’t seen this mentioned yet: And just what are residents of Mass. doing at a New Hampshire town hall? The corrupt Dems won’t even let their own constituents into town halls of their own districtsmost of the time or without ID in an effort to stage it. Now we have staged questions from people FROM OTHER STATES at Obamas town hall?

No way to spin that one

Niteowl45 on August 12, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Islam has a concept called Al-Takeyya, which allows Muslims to lie to protect one’s self or fellow Muslims, or to advance Islamic goals. It’s as if Obama and the Obamedia have adopted this concept in aid of their socialist causes.

starboardhelm on August 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM

They always have practiced deception. You should read up on Soviet relations toward the United States between 1919 and 1941.

And a famous American socialist said that the American people would never knowingly accept socialism. But you give Socialism the moniker Librealism and they will gobble it up until America is a socialist country without anyone knowing how it turned Socialist.

Holger on August 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Via El Rushbo, excellent analysis of the HR 3200 here.

Buy Danish on August 12, 2009 at 2:05 PM

A doctor called Rush today and relayed this faux pas he caught in Obama’s speech:

“And finally — this is important — we will require insurance companies to cover routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies — because there’s no reason we shouldn’t be catching diseases like breast cancer and prostate cancer on the front end.”

ziggyville on August 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM

“Kudos to USA Today”? Give me a break. This is what we’ve come to, grateful for begrudging scraps of fact they toss us?

On the front page of the LA Times today, the day after Obama repeatedly lies in a town hall and uses an 11 year old girl to help him lie? An above-the-fold piece on Karl Rove possibly having a hand in the firing of US attorneys.

I’m not kidding.

rrpjr on August 12, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Patrick S on August 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM

If we time it right, we can catch Immadinnerjacket and Huggy Chavez there, too…

Wolftech on August 12, 2009 at 2:21 PM

I agree with Ed that the Advantage plans are great. The premiums for the HMO I have are covered entirely by my Part B. If I opted for one with more bells and whistles, I’d have to pay something toward the premiums.

I was able to keep the same doctor I had before I retired. I have had a couple of incidents (weird infection and later a colonoscopy) and saw no difference in the way I was treated. Of course, IMO it starts with having the right doctor.

JackOkie on August 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Islam has a concept called Al-Takeyya, which allows Muslims to lie to protect one’s self or fellow Muslims, or to advance Islamic goals. It’s as if Obama and the Obamedia have adopted this concept in aid of their socialist causes.

starboardhelm on August 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Don’t you know anything, Obama is not a Muslim!!

sarc/

Susanboo on August 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM

First comment on Hot Air. Be gentle.

USA Today is like the Post Office, or something.

Hahu on August 12, 2009 at 2:30 PM

I can’t get the article to load on my slow PC. Does teh article mention the fact that a total of seven buses with Mass plates total dumped many of the attendees and supporters at the door?

Do they report the number of AFL-CIO and SEIU thugs in attendance?

Just curious.

dogsoldier on August 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Please have more town hall meetings, you idiot. “The Post Office is always having problems.” Thanks for reminder. Now imagine the Post Office is where you go for “death panel” counseling. No wonder he needs a teleprompter. Obamacare: RIP

willy v on August 12, 2009 at 3:21 PM

No matter how much lipstick he puts on Obamacare it is still a pig

Daveyardbird on August 12, 2009 at 3:28 PM

The House bill would require Medicare to pay for end-of-life counseling sessions, but it would not mandate that anyone use the benefit.

It does not have to mandate. Medicare will pay for the session. Easy money which will be billed for every patient the average nursing home physician can document.

To think they will pay Doctors to say to patients what they have wanted to say for a long time, and now will have full permission, and some bucks to boot

entagor on August 12, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Perhaps in a warped Narcissistic way, Obama truly believes that he is not lying.

Obama knows he is lying.

proconstitution on August 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Obama also made several promises to fix problems that are already covered by current law. Getting dropped after you get sick is already protected by State and Federal laws.

It would be nice if he knew the current laws before he “reforms” them. Just sayin …

Jeff Carlson
http://www.harlemghost.blogspot.com

jcarl4283 on August 12, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Oh the the colonoscopy not being cover lie … I’ve had 2 in the last 3 years, both covered …

Jeff Carlson
http://www.harlemghost.blogspot.com

jcarl4283 on August 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Have you ever heard anyone admit voting for carter?

jbh45 on August 12, 2009 at 12:47 PM

I freely admit voting for Peanut twice. Of course, I was a silly college kid at the time, ao can claim temporary insanity.

Del Dolemonte on August 12, 2009 at 5:18 PM

those entirely too partisan to really claim they are being objective. AnninCA

This is one of the most fundamental errors it is possible to make. I am completely partisan with respect to reason, freedom, honesty, and justice. Therefore, it is in my self-interest to be as objective as possible in order to advocate for these things while leaving the smallest possible cracks for the arguments of disguised Progressives like AnninCA to crawl through.

The idea that somehow you have more freedom with an overbearing Federal government than in a free market (for, in this case, private insurance) is an excellent case in point. First, the insurance market is far from free; second, you can change providers – or pay for medical care yourself, as I do, or do without, or rely on charity, or….

With the Federal Government – which, by design and necessity, operates by coercion – you have no choice except to leave the country. (Even then, if you retain your U.S. citizenship your income is subject to taxes.)

Open communists are more honest than Progressives because they do not pretend to favor an ‘improved’ or ‘modified’ market, like the Fascist-Lite Progressives.

JDPerren on August 12, 2009 at 5:21 PM

indeed and with the lying media inciting race now.

All the kings horses
and all the kings men
couldn’t put the Dummie’s back together again

bluegrass on August 12, 2009 at 7:21 PM

My perspective? You have less say-so in private industry than in government enterprise. At least you can vote the rascals out! Try making a difference in your insurance company. *haha

AnninCA

Congratulations….this is possibly the dumbest thing you have ever posted here. You are without a doubt one of the biggest morons at HA. Whoever it is paying you to post such ignorant nonsense is getting ripped off.

xblade on August 12, 2009 at 7:57 PM

You know the Kool-aid is starting to sour when articles like these at USA Today start to come out…

The socialist agenda is starting to be exposed for what it is…they (DEM leadership) meant to overwhelm us with too much all at once to handle – they so deeply underestimated the American people.

Keep the pressure on! The showing up, the keeping ourselves informed, the calls, writing, etc – it IS impacting. We can’t let up!

Minorcan Maven on August 13, 2009 at 1:44 PM

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