Obamateurism of the Day
posted at 8:05 am on August 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Barack Obama tried to calm an angry electorate yesterday by explaining his motives for conducting a government takeover of the health-care system, 15% of the American economy and a deeply personal issue for everyone. Unfortunately, Obama’s explanation failed the YouTube test. He told a Portsmouth, New Hampshire audience that he’s never said he supported single-payer health care (via Below the Beltway):
“I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter … I believe it would be too disruptive.”
Really? Maybe someone should clue Obama into the development of YouTube. This particular video has been floating around the Internet since the presidential campaign, from an appearance at the AFL-CIO in 2003, when Obama was running for the Senate:
I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.
Hey, Linda Douglass. I think I found a source of disinformation on ObamaCare. Can you add Barack Obama, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington DC to your watch list?
Got an Obamateurism of the Day? If you see a foul-up by Barack Obama, e-mail it to me at obamaisms@edmorrissey.com with the quote and the link to the Obamateurism. I’ll post the best Obamateurisms on a daily basis, depending on how many I receive. Include a link to your blog, and I’ll give some link love as well. And unlike Slate, I promise to end the feature when Barack Obama leaves office.
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One big, four year amateur hour
blatantblue on August 12, 2009 at 8:09 AM
Racist! Don’t you know that all of Dear Leader’s promises come with exipration dates? Even the one where He’s a proponent of single payer healthcare. And then the one where He’s not a proponent of single payer healthcare.
Err, um, hmm, . . . quick, where’s Teleprompter.
rbj on August 12, 2009 at 8:10 AM
“I did not have sex with that health care program, Miss, uh, single payer. Not a single time”.
Paul-Cincy on August 12, 2009 at 8:10 AM
Obama: Don’t believe what I told you! Believe what I’m telling you!
Loxodonta on August 12, 2009 at 8:12 AM
Notice he said yesterday that a single payer” would be too “disruptive” not that he opposes it on ideological grounds nor that he would not want to move in that direction.
elduende on August 12, 2009 at 8:14 AM
Didn’t Al Gore invent this?????
Rovin on August 12, 2009 at 8:14 AM
like oboobi said, WE need to take back the white house,the senate,and the house.
SHARPTOOTH on August 12, 2009 at 8:16 AM
I swear this administration does not seem to have a clue about the internet. They need to have a google czar. I volunteer, for that job. I am sure it pays pretty darn good.
Johnnyreb on August 12, 2009 at 8:16 AM
Has he ever told the truth or made a factual statement? Nevermind.
TXMomof3 on August 12, 2009 at 8:17 AM
Obambi is such a stupid moron….doesnt he realize half of us have a brain. The other half brainless fools voted for him. The bumbass SEIU and ACORN folks might not figure this out but we sure can.
MCW on August 12, 2009 at 8:17 AM
This administration seems to think we are all on the same intelligence level of those who blindly follow it. Mr. president, you need to pay closer attention there are a lot of people who actually do pay attention to what you say and don’t just get caught up in the emotion of your speeches.
boomer on August 12, 2009 at 8:18 AM
Oh! It failed on so many more levels than that.
The biggest failure, IMO, was the fact that it was so clearly staged. Not so much from the planted questions like the 11-year-old whose mother “just happened” to be Mass. State Chair for the Women for Obama. Or the Democrat politician who “just happened” to ask the first question about Medicare.
No, the real failure yesterday was the glaring contrast between the Portsmouth town hall and the events held by Senators Cardin, Specter, and McCaskill. Unless we are to believe that there is something in the New Hampshire water supply that makes everybody into a Stepford audience, we saw none of the passion (some call it anger) of other town halls. The filthy liar in the White House was evading answering questions about “mean signs” while McCaskill was being drilled with questions about federally funded abortions down to the section.
In short the lack of any real substance made the Portsmouth event into nothing more than a photo-op and an opportunity for an 11-year-old girl to meet the man her mommy spent two years campaigning for.
highhopes on August 12, 2009 at 8:19 AM
Does he really think that we are THAT dumb? He must … our country voted him in office. Now is the time to wake up America!
idahoconservative on August 12, 2009 at 8:21 AM
Him still speaks with fork tongue!
canopfor on August 12, 2009 at 8:22 AM
Intentionally making your children liberal should trigger some kind of fine, just a thought.
TXMomof3 on August 12, 2009 at 8:22 AM
Not really an Obamateurism as much as a blatant flip-flop. I see Obamateurisms as accidental indications of buffoonery, not deliberate ones.
AngusMc on August 12, 2009 at 8:23 AM
There’s something fishy in the White House.
And it rhymes with Largemouth Bass.
Loxodonta on August 12, 2009 at 8:23 AM
I find it stunning that it might be coming to the point where Obama is seen as too polarizing (a la Nancy Pelosi) and no longer the best person to put in the spotlight to promote legislation. Since he has no other abilities or role, that would spell the end of him. (I’m a pess, so not counting my chickens, but he does seem to be subject to more and more public ridicule these days. I therefore allow myself a few minutes of optimism, before I shut it down :)
JiangxiDad on August 12, 2009 at 8:24 AM
I’ve noticed pathological liars continue to lie even when they have obviously been caught. I don’t think his warped way of thinking and his overblown ego will allow him to understand just how well people are seeing through him. If he ever does realize what is really happening to his image and why, we’ll see that breakdown so many people have predicted.
backwoods conservative on August 12, 2009 at 8:25 AM
His motto?
It’s not a lie if you believe it…
ladyingray on August 12, 2009 at 8:25 AM
Barry lies about everything all the time. He just likes to hear himself talk, which is why he takes 30 minutes to answer one simple question.
Personally, I thought Barry’s comparison of government run health care to the government run FAILING Post Office was a stunning Obamateurism. I can only hope and pray that ObamaCare goes directly to the Dead Letter Department at the Post Office.
Barb Dwyer on August 12, 2009 at 8:25 AM
liar
liar
pants
are
on
fire
blatantblue on August 12, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Well,there seems to be a pattern,either
a/He forgets everything he says
b/He has a few bats lose in his belfry.
c/What he says,is coming back opposite of what you hear him say.
d/He might have that Cybil complex of 10 different people,
therefore he has 1o different policy positions.
e/ A Socialist
f/A liar
or… …
canopfor on August 12, 2009 at 8:28 AM
g/ an idiot
MCW on August 12, 2009 at 8:29 AM
I personally don’t think he is all that good a speaker. He does extremely well with interacting with the crowd but when it comes to substance, he’s like a rice cake on the desert cart.
The most shocking thing about these town hall events is that the filthy liar and his party still don’t get it. They clamped down on who gets into the events but they have yet to control the message. The politician shows up with vague generalities about paying for it all with “elimination of inefficencies” and sticking it to the rich. They are not prepared when the audience is armed with data points from the various bills and want specific answers to questions about portability, or federally funded abortion, or cost reductions in Medicare.
In one sense I am happy to see these disruptive town halls. They have been more like a rowdy day in the British House of Commons than your usual August town hall where the elected leader fields a couple questions about social security or getting federal funds for a park by the handful of attendees. The First Amendment got a second wind this past week as American citizens are finding their voice and realizing that they can influence what goes on in DC.
highhopes on August 12, 2009 at 8:29 AM
Smartest president EVAH….yeah right
MCW on August 12, 2009 at 8:29 AM
Since he is now sitting in the Oval Office, he knows precisly how dumb we are. And by the way, November 2008 was the tiem for America to wake up. I hope we do it now, but now it is rather like waking up after your car already hit a tree. It would have been so much less painful to have awakened prior to the impact.
MikeA on August 12, 2009 at 8:31 AM
Comedy Gold:
This could have been Archie scolding Edith in a classic episode. Imagine Michelle saying “but Archie,(Barry), why did you have to mention the post office?” And Obama says: “hey Edith, (Michelle), STFU and tell Meathead, (Axelrod), the idiot he picked to ask me if I should dish the Republicans was too obvious”.
Rovin on August 12, 2009 at 8:33 AM
The interesting thing is he mentions taking back the White House (check), the Senate (check), the House (check) and he still can’t get his “health care reform” passed.
modnar on August 12, 2009 at 8:33 AM
Regardless of how much we call him out on even the most blatant lies, it won’t make any difference, until the debunking makes it into the mainstream media, where everybody has it thrown in their faces, including the Chris Matthews and Tom Brokaws of the world. Until he’s dragged kicking, screaming and begging into the sunlight to face the ultimate disinfectant, he’s still got his KGB and politburo to hide behind, and claim everybody else is lying, in spite the egg on his untrustworthy, dishonorable face.
Virus-X on August 12, 2009 at 8:34 AM
In his mind, he probably thought his smooth-as-silk townhall was a “teachable” moment. Congressmen are studying the tape earnestly to learn exactly how it’s done. And as for us, we need to learn how to behave. Professor Obama is in the house. Putz.
sherry on August 12, 2009 at 8:34 AM
Unfortunately his drones buy the lie because the BO media does not challenge his lies. But, I do believe the tied is turning.
jbh45 on August 12, 2009 at 8:34 AM
I’m so enlightened!
blatantblue on August 12, 2009 at 8:35 AM
Gee whiz,you would think the media would catch that!(Sarc)
canopfor on August 12, 2009 at 8:36 AM
Very well put.
backwoods conservative on August 12, 2009 at 8:38 AM
Yes, but since you are not a democrat, you will need to consider doing extra credit for the rest of your life.
sherry on August 12, 2009 at 8:38 AM
what type?
joining the local mosque?
blatantblue on August 12, 2009 at 8:40 AM
Maybe I’ll wake up and this will all be a dream…er..nightmare
NYconservative on August 12, 2009 at 8:42 AM
This must be brought before as many people as possible, it is a direct contradiction of fact by Obama that I can’t imagine anyone would be able to wriggle out from beneath.
deanglen on August 12, 2009 at 8:44 AM
dont you mean
ERRR
ERRRRRRRRR
nightmare
blatantblue on August 12, 2009 at 8:45 AM
I am one of those who think that healthcare reform is a proxy war for a whole lot more.
On the fiscal front, Americans are fed up with all the living beyond one’s means that has occurred in DC for years. Perhaps the war spending on Iraq or even some of the excesses in the name of national security following the 9/11/01 atrocities is a good place to start but slowly steadily the spending train has continued gathering steam through TARP I and TARP II into the trillions squandered on the stimulus package that didn’t, cap and tax, bailouts to democrat-friendly businesses, and now a proposal to seize the healthcare industry. Republicans lost in 2006 and 2008 because of their fiscal irresponsibility. That should have been a clue to the filthy liar in the White House that he couldn’t get by with all this spending in six months by sheer charisma alone.
On the social values front, healthcare is one of those issues that effects everybody. The “reform” plan touches on a myriad of social issues that are triggers for other things. Federally funded abortions, the Dem’s culture of death mentality, etc. There is also skirmishes over moral issues like what level of coverage is adequate and what role government has in assuring healthcare as a right.
On the economic front, healthcare reform touches off battles about the role of government in the insurance industry, the ability of small business to survive over-reaching government mandate, and public v. private enterprise as the delivery vehicle.
I could go on but I’ve made my point. Healthcare reform is partly a larger national debate about the direction of the nation. The filthy liar in the White House has been ramming one vision for the future down the collective throat of America with a “shut up and get out of the way” approach and Americans are saying “not so fast.”
highhopes on August 12, 2009 at 8:45 AM
Not only does he continue to lie about it, he won’t even take it back when that video is everywhere on the Internet.
At some point, being this arrogant just merges into being stupid and reckless.
This guy is not prepared to be president. He never should have been put in this position.
NoDonkey on August 12, 2009 at 8:45 AM
Ahhhhhh – that’s the transparency he promised us…
Candy Slice on August 12, 2009 at 8:46 AM
Actually, if listen carefully he is not actually saying that he does not want single payer. Only that he is not advancing it now as a direct transition from the current employer-based system.
http://nomayo.mu.nu/white_house_weasel_words
Stephen Macklin on August 12, 2009 at 8:46 AM
ding ding ding
_________________
like banging your head against a wall
the shameless, arrogant bonehead
cmsinaz on August 12, 2009 at 8:47 AM
He simply does not care. Time and time again, the cover the mainstream media provide for his many easily refutable lies only enhance his narcissistic view that he can get away with anything.
anuts on August 12, 2009 at 8:47 AM
Now c’mon folks – he said he’s not “promoting” a single payer – he didn’t say that’s not what he wants.
We all know what he wants – what he’s promoting just depends on the day of the week or the audience………
sherryande on August 12, 2009 at 8:47 AM
Someone called into a radio show and tried to exlain this. Their defense was, “Barack Obama was for single payer, but President Obama hasn’t said he is for it”
SouthernRoots on August 12, 2009 at 8:48 AM
Oh goodness. Was this an actual serious defense presented by the caller?
anuts on August 12, 2009 at 8:50 AM
The man is a liar and the media is a willing accomplice to his lies and deception.
evie on August 12, 2009 at 8:50 AM
Just spent the week listening to my brother-in-law tell me that he voted for Obama as a hopeful Democrat and how disappointed he is in him. So I asked, “What made you hopeful? What did you think he was going to be?”
His response? “What he said he was.”
What? A moderate? How could this extremely intelligent businessman think that Obama was anything but a socialist wolf in sheep’s clothing? I asked him that and he said, “Well, I really wanted him to be what he said he was – a pragmatist, moderate in his thinking, living a life that could be construed as conservative with regards to his family.”
Really, the desire of Obama supporters, middle aged adults no less, for that last grasp of idealism in a president is vomit inducing. I can’t believe how many I talk to who voted for this guy because of what they wanted him to be.
piglet on August 12, 2009 at 8:51 AM
if he was truly serious about calming an angry electorate, he shouldn’t have held that lovefest yesterday….he needs to show up unannounced (if possible) to a senator’s townhall and meet the real folks, not his donors
cmsinaz on August 12, 2009 at 8:54 AM
I thought that it would have been AARP “public endorsement” Obama mentioned in the townhall, but on second thought, their clandestine endorsement of his plan is pretty obvious to the average joe.
cubachi on August 12, 2009 at 8:54 AM
That was a very functional campaign rally yesterday. Unfortunately, he is supposed to be the President, not a candidate.
kingsjester on August 12, 2009 at 8:55 AM
There’s something fishy in the White House.
And it rhymes with Largemouth Bass.
Loxodonta on August 12, 2009
In philosophy though, more like a Snakehead. Non-native, nasty and destructive to the native population.
SKYFOX on August 12, 2009 at 8:56 AM
He can’t stop campaigning
He is an ineffectual executive
But perhaps that is a good thing for us, and a good thing for America, and her “history and traditions” that Michelle O claimed the O’ Duo would change.
blatantblue on August 12, 2009 at 8:57 AM
Lies you can believe in…
CMonster on August 12, 2009 at 8:58 AM
once again I have to correct all the silly posters at HotAir.
Of course Cupcake Meister says different things. These are two different speeches to two different audiences on two different days. THIS audience didn’t want to hear the “single player” speech, the other audience did.
katablog.com on August 12, 2009 at 9:00 AM
I think you are dead-on in your analysis. If they cross the finish line with this bill in hand, it will essentially upend the economic system as we know it today. My concern is that he has already pre-arranged deals and strategies with Big Pharma, AMA, AARP, and a host of other entities, so our voices are inconsequential. He’ll toss a bone out to his base once in a while, but with healthcare reform in place, he has no obligation or want to consider public opinion and I think he knows that.
sherry on August 12, 2009 at 9:00 AM
::slaps forehead::
oh!
blatantblue on August 12, 2009 at 9:00 AM
…and unfortunately, there are those out there that still believe his lies…
Unbelievable.
ssa_in_az on August 12, 2009 at 9:01 AM
That video is fake, but accurate.
It just looks like a Joker.
Yoop on August 12, 2009 at 9:01 AM
I echo the words of an earlier poster in this thread. The lie about favoring or not favoring single payer is deliberate, a professional lie. But the silly comparison — meant to be favorable — to the US Postal Service, of all things, is a true Obamateurism.
jwolf on August 12, 2009 at 9:03 AM
In ObamaWorld statements made sans teleprompter were never made. Hence, his 2003 statement of unequivocal support for a single-payer system was never made. Are we clear?
TXUS on August 12, 2009 at 9:08 AM
And unless something really big happens, this is what IS going to happen regardless of what We the People say.
Haven’t you already seen Town Hall meetings (including Arlen Traitor Specter’s) where the speaker purports that the majority of Americans WANT their brand of crap health control?
katablog.com on August 12, 2009 at 9:09 AM
I wonder if McCain is available to show Obama how to use YouTube.
VibrioCocci on August 12, 2009 at 9:09 AM
Agree. It should always be noteworthy when one puts forth a point that refutes one’s argument. That is never done on purpose or by design.
Here, it is done in full confidence that he can get away with it.
anuts on August 12, 2009 at 9:09 AM
Indeed, that’s one of the reasons why this may be one of the most important political battles of our time.
DrRansom on August 12, 2009 at 9:11 AM
I’ve said for a long time that the guy is a flake.
Also, I keep hearing Democrats say that they’ve tried for 59 years to pass health care reform.
Wouldn’t you think that after nearly six decades that they’d realize that the American public doesn’t want it?
Isn’t one of the descriptions of insanity is trying same thing over-and-over and expecting a different outcome.
Ampleforth on August 12, 2009 at 9:15 AM
A poll should be taken, asking voters this simple question:
Would you like to fire every politician currently serving in D.C., reform the political system by eliminating the “pay to play” dynamic, and start over with all new faces and a much stricter set of rules/boundaries for our politicians?
Yes or No
Keemo on August 12, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Yes, of course I have. But he presents a study in contrasts. For someone who lives and breathes for public acceptance, can he ignore the growing outrage? He has painted himself in a corner with this one.
sherry on August 12, 2009 at 9:19 AM
I keep on telling you that we need a poll for Obamateurism of the day, not just the week.
Shy Guy on August 12, 2009 at 9:20 AM
I new to all this stuff ;( but trying to learn..could someone direct me to where I could find out why this would be so hard to reverse, once theONE is gone..if it passes Thank You…and a special thanks to Hot Air for opening the Reg. again
ATEXAN on August 12, 2009 at 9:21 AM
Yes, and the good news is that it has brought people out of their shell to fight for their lives. I imagine the percentage of voters in our country will grow enormously over the next several years. You can’t sit home anymore.
sherry on August 12, 2009 at 9:21 AM
sherry on August 12, 2009 at 9:19 AM
Like a cornered raccoon, he will attack viciously as the enemy closes in…
Keemo on August 12, 2009 at 9:22 AM
Actually, Obama really is what he said he was during the campaign. He said that he was a blank screen onto which people project what they want to see. His most conservitive opponent could not have stated that better than Obama himself did. He is a master deceiver in like the best of snake oil salesmen, voodoo priests, rain makers and palm readers. He tells eveyone what they want to hear and he cen tell two different people opposit things in the same audience and make both want to believe him.
By the way, sounds like you and I may have the same brother-in-law.
MikeA on August 12, 2009 at 9:22 AM
racist?
MikeA on August 12, 2009 at 9:23 AM
hmmm, you may be on to something. Which speech does Barry like making better?
JiangxiDad on August 12, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Sure he can. Chicago thuggery will simply tell people that it’s not outrage and the MSM will agree that indeed everyone loves the won. Perhaps we’ll even have a few more prime time tv spots.
Trust me, the drug czars aren’t running $150 million in free advertisements for ObamaCare without an assurance that it will work. The assurance is not that We the People will capitulate but rather that we will be told that we did.
katablog.com on August 12, 2009 at 9:26 AM
With the exception of AARP, these are not strong alliances. They cut deals with the filthy liar when they thought that it was better to get some control over the outcome than to simply wait and see what Congress delivered. Fact of the matter is that these organizations have made deals over a healthcare bill that doesn’t even exist.
It’s almost as if the filthy liar’s team went straight from the kick-off to the final campaign without doing much of the work in between. The tactic to cut deals to undermine resistance of special interests should have been done when there was something closer to a final product emerging. The Congress, in particular, was hung out to dry by this administration since they are the ones having to field constituent anger over the various provisions of the various bills that are out there.
But I do disagree that constituents don’t have a voice. All those people showing up at town halls is making a difference. Otherwise, the filthy liar and his people wouldn’t feel compelled to stage faux town halls like the one we saw in New Hampshire yesterday.
highhopes on August 12, 2009 at 9:26 AM
No one at the White House bothers to fact check anything anymore. If they did, Barry wouldn’t continue to make these stupid mistakes. Rahm and Axelrod stroke the thin-skinned, feckless One’s ego until he believes all the garbage they feed him. When he goes off script and says something incredibly asinine, the MSM covers his behind. A huge part of the electorate swallows all this crap…as they sit back and wait for their next installment of government cheese. How do we honestly compete with that?
Barb Dwyer on August 12, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Yes, as in raccoon
Shy Guy on August 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM
Regardless of how much we call him out on even the most blatant lies, it won’t make any difference, until the debunking makes it into the mainstream media, where everybody has it thrown in their faces, including the Chris Matthews and Tom Brokaws of the world. Until he’s dragged kicking, screaming and begging into the sunlight to face the ultimate disinfectant, he’s still got his KGB and politburo to hide behind, and claim everybody else is lying, in spite the egg on his untrustworthy, dishonorable face.
Virus-X on August 12, 2009
This is why I call them the Obama-fellating, state-run media. They are this until they prove otherwise. The reason this will never change is, as Bernie Goldberg pointed out, their innate philosophy and world view are skewed left. To them, this is the natural order. Anything that deviates from this is abnormal and worthy of scorn.
This does not absolve them of their behavior; it just helps us to understand it.
SKYFOX on August 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM
The pop psychologist in me says that if he doesn’t get the adulation he wants, he blames others for turning on him, and becomes willing to bring the whole thing crashing down on everyone, including himself, in revenge. Infantile rage.
The good news is, there seem to be so many avenues from which he could crack. He does seem like a nutjob.
JiangxiDad on August 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM
You miss the point. It’s not which one Barry likes better, it’s which one does the current audience like. Then they can carry that back to the troops in the trenches at FluffPo and DailyGrease
katablog.com on August 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM
That’s a good example (of many) of why it may no longer be possible to live together. They won’t change, we won’t change. And nobody likes the stalemate. Seems the pressure is building for an eruption.
JiangxiDad on August 12, 2009 at 9:29 AM
Oh I got ur point, and enjoyed it. I merely add the question of whether he lies in both, or tells the truth in one.
JiangxiDad on August 12, 2009 at 9:30 AM
JiangxiDad on August 12, 2009 at 9:30 AM:
There’s no question which one cupcake meister supports – the single payer, total government control, what’s your bank account number one.
katablog.com on August 12, 2009 at 9:32 AM
I know you’re right but I have spent twenty years in Chicago. I am permanently jaded.
sherry on August 12, 2009 at 9:34 AM
You win a kewpie doll young lady.
JiangxiDad on August 12, 2009 at 9:37 AM
His Jedi mind tricks always work on the weak minded mainstream media.
zmdavid on August 12, 2009 at 9:37 AM
YES HE DOES.
gonegaltinstl on August 12, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Pathological lying USED to be considered a form of mental illness. Has that concept been debunked?
jeanie on August 12, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Another example of hope and change.
Hope nobody remembers what he said then,
as he Changes to what he really believes.
I really can’t wait until the congressional recess is over – that will be the true test of whether we (the people) have lost control of our country to the government.
jackal40 on August 12, 2009 at 9:43 AM
So, Barry was for the Single Payer System before he was against it?
Gosh, why does that sound so familiar?
Mich_93 on August 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Only in government work is pathological lying “de rigueur.”
Barb Dwyer on August 12, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Don’t have to wait that long. We really have lost control. All the proof you should have needed was:
Pork = u Less
GM / Chrysler government controlled bankruptcies
Crap & Tax (passed by House)
katablog.com on August 12, 2009 at 9:48 AM
So…. He was “For” a Single Payer System, before he was against it?
Got it!
Nothing to see here, move along!
Scarbarian on August 12, 2009 at 9:50 AM
Well that sucks!
Scarbarian on August 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM
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