WH denies that Kundra lied about his background

posted at 3:35 pm on August 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Vivek Kundra got off to a rocky start as Barack Obama’s appointee for the position of Chief Information Officer in the new administration.  First, his offices got raided in a bribery sting involving an underling, and a few days later I reported on Kundra’s conviction for shoplifting shirts from a Penney’s twelve years earlier.  Those storms receded, however, and Kundra returned to work after a short hiatus and a series of embarrassed explanations from the White House.  Since then, Kundra has not caused any sort of public controversy.

Today, though, Kundra’s name has arisen again, with questions about his honesty regarding his resume.  John Dvorak, who writes columns for Dow Jones and PC Magazine, tried verifying Kundra’s education background, which included an advanced degree from the University of Maryland and employment there as an instructor.  Dvorak says records don’t substantiate those claims.  The White House vehemently denies it, however, and another source says Dvorak got it wrong:

This is the sort of question you might ask after trying to actually verify his supposed MS in Information Technology from the University of Maryland, College Park campus. The registrar has no record of it. In fact the current University of Maryland grad department doesn’t even show this degree as being commonly available to anyone. A search of his college records shows no attendance after he received his BS degree in Psychology on 12/20/98. In fact his last day of school 12/19/98 wrapped up the six years it took Kundra to obtain his undergraduate degree. …

Most revealing is a bio of Kundra that was redacted from the Washington, DC municipal site. Luckily it was archived by the web sweeper Archive.org. In that bio Kundra added even more icing to his University of Maryland career saying he “served as an adjunct faculty member at the University of Maryland, teaching classes on emerging and disruptive technologies.”

Calls to the University said there was no such teacher at the school. It’s now difficult to find this attribution as it may have drawn too much attention to the actual facts. He pulled it. …

The most ridiculous is his assertion that he was formerly a CEO of Creostar. While records for this company are hard to come by a small Dun & Bradstreet service did turn up the following information: there was indeed a Creostar in Arlington, VA. It was founded in 2004 with the contact being Vivek Kundra. The last record for the company (online) showed sales of $67,000 with one employee – apparently Kundra, the CEO.

Normally, that would sound pretty far-fetched, but given the confusion over Kundra’s conviction, it sounded plausible.  After reading Dvorak’s article, I contacted the White House for comment.  Kenneth Baer, spokesman for the OMB, quickly responded with this statement:

This is a total fabrication and gross distortion of Vivek Kundra’s record. Vivek received his Master’s degree from the University of Maryland-University College, worked in the private sector, and had a distinguished career as a public servant before joining the Obama Administration.

I also asked whether Kundra had taught at UM, and Baer replied, “Yes. Univ. of MD – UNIVERSITY COLLEGE.”  He also included this link to Nextgov.com’s Gautham Nagesh, who followed up on Dvorak’s article:

Dvorak alleges that federal chief information officer Vivek Kundra has been lying about his academic record, specifically that Kundra did not receive a Master’s in Information Technology from University of Maryland as he claims. Dvorak bases this allegation on a search of the UMD registrar’s database, which confirms Kundra was a student until 1998 but doesn’t mention any graduate program. He goes on to say, “In fact the current University of Maryland grad department doesn’t even show this degree as being commonly available to anyone.”

That’s somewhat correct, since the University of Maryland, College Park does not offer any such degree. However, after a few phone calls I was able to verify that Kundra did receive a Master’s degree in Information Systems Management from the University of Maryland University College in 2001. That seems to conform with his official bio, where it states he “holds a MS in Information Technology from the University of Maryland.”

GigaOm confirms this:

Chip Cassano, a University of Maryland University College spokesman, confirmed that Kundra graduated from the school with a Masters of Science in Information Systems Management. There are several other issues — you are better off reading the entire article. …

Dvorak is just flat-out wrong — or at least that was the gist of the conversation I just had with Kundra. He called back and said that it was clear that “someone was spinning partial truths.” He welcomed anyone to check with University of Maryland’s University College and said they will find that not only did he graduate from the University College, but also that he was adjunct faculty member. He was an undergraduate at the University of Maryland’s College Park location. That confusion is reflected on Kundra’s Wikipedia bio. As noted above, we checked with the UMUC and they told us that Kundra did indeed graduate in 2001 with an MS in information Systems Management. When I asked Kundra about his startup, Creostar, he said he never claimed it to be a billion-dollar company. He started it before getting a gig with the Commonwealth of Virginia.

It appears that the issue arose from a confusion between UMCP and UMUC.  Whatever else Kundra appears to have done, he apparently told the truth about his education and his employment.

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Like Father, Like son….

how can Dad(Ogabe) scold Kundra for a little grade and resume inflation when he got his job on it?

sven10077 on August 12, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Ed, you were way ahead of the crowd in calling this guy out.

FINISH HIM!!!! (insert Mortal Kombat finishing move)

portlandon on August 12, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Fizzle. Fo’ shizzle.

UltimateBob on August 12, 2009 at 3:38 PM

That’s an odd headline, Ed.

DrSteve on August 12, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Well, glad that’s cleared up.

But people really should check to make doubly sure they’re right before publishing such an allegation

changer1701 on August 12, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Honesty is soooo over rated!
Just ask hussein!

christene on August 12, 2009 at 3:40 PM

I shall rest easier knowing that this has been cleared up.

myrenovations on August 12, 2009 at 3:40 PM

I reported on Kundra’s conviction for shoplifting shirts from a Penney’s twelve years earlier

A HA! So now we see why the left are making snarky comments about Tea Partiers wearing Brooks Brothers clothes.

They’re just jealous because we steal our clothes from higher-end stores than they do! ;-)

UltimateBob on August 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM

I’m glad that we’re trusting the nations information technology secrets to such an esteemed shoplifter who has an entire almost most of a decade real world experience.

gatorboy on August 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM

A lying POTUS employs another liar as his Chief Information Officer. Why is anyone surprised?

Norwegian on August 12, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Let’s see… I want to start a Presidential Administration.

Help wanted
- tax cheats
- shoplifters

hmmm what next?

faraway on August 12, 2009 at 3:42 PM

University of Maryland University? Is that anything like the Department of Redundancy Department?

Daggett on August 12, 2009 at 3:43 PM

To be fair…Kundra wouldn’t have been the first UMUC student to try and pass off his degree as being from University of Maryland, and he won’t be the last.

JohnTant on August 12, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Oops!

Wallace on August 12, 2009 at 3:44 PM

I’m not actually a qualified and educated government leader, but I play one on ObamaTV…

Wyznowski on August 12, 2009 at 3:44 PM

I’m glad that we’re trusting the nations information technology secrets to such an esteemed shoplifter who has an entire almost most of a decade real world experience.

gatorboy on August 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Well, we’re trusting a tax cheat to lead the IRS so what’s a little shoplifting?

txag92 on August 12, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Kundra, the CEO

Tee hee. And forthwith, I shall be known as RushBaby, Emperor. (After all, I am the sole monarch of my acre ranch.

RushBaby on August 12, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Ed’s just trying to stay out of those boxcar shackles.

Akzed on August 12, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Sincere props Ed and HotAir – you guys may be harsh sometimes, but you also have intellectual honesty and integrity. ..wish I could say that about HuffPo.

Quetzal on August 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM

I’m glad that we’re trusting the nations information technology secrets to such an esteemed shoplifter who has an entire almost most of a decade real world experience.

gatorboy on August 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Why not? We’ve got an Ogabe campaign intern running General Motors.

guntotinglibertarian on August 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM

At least Dvorak tried to contact the White House. Yet they did not respond.
I am a semi-geek and I know Dvorak is one of the biggest figures in the tech/online world. There must be a few 20-something geeks that work in the White House that know Dvorak published this.

One things is for sure: Ed Morrissey is an internet star that even the White House has to immediately respond to him. Go Hot Air!

cubachi on August 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM

hmmm what next?

faraway on August 12, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Euthenasia fans (Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel)

guntotinglibertarian on August 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM

John Dvorak is well-known to Apple computer fans as an unreliable, inaccurate technology reporter. He has spread a lot of FUD over the years, for whatever reasons, on both sides of the operating system divide – and has been labeled a “hit-ho” for writing deliberately controversial stories without much regard for facts.

Looks like he’s done it again.

Gilda on August 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Sincere props Ed and HotAir – you guys may be harsh sometimes, but you also have intellectual honesty and integrity. ..wish I could say that about HuffPo.

Quetzal on August 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM
One things is for sure: Ed Morrissey is an internet star that even the White House has to immediately respond to him. Go Hot Air!

cubachi on August 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I am smelling Astroturf.

BigD on August 12, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Whew, he’s just a shoplifter and was involved in a bribery scandal. Thank goodness he never lied on his resume.

faraway on August 12, 2009 at 3:49 PM

University of Maryland UNIVERSITY college eh? (UMUC)

A quick check of their website shows it looks just like the University of Phoenix…

Skywise on August 12, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Kundra lied, my lord, Kundra lied
Kundra lied, my lord, Kundra lied
Kundra lied, my lord, Kundra lied
Oh lord….Kundra lied

Hening on August 12, 2009 at 3:53 PM

The registrar has no record of it. In fact the current University of Maryland Columbia University grad department doesn’t even show this degree as being commonly available to anyone.

If you read this replacing UofM with Columbia, this mysterious lack of information seems to apply to Obama as well (transcripts, etc.).

VibrioCocci on August 12, 2009 at 3:53 PM

The important point is that he is a thief. He’s corruptible. That’s what got him there. Obama has to know his people are capable of willfully doing wrong for personal gain. Period.

ROCnPhilly on August 12, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Isn’t Olbermann kind of claiming the same thing? A degree from a university, that doesn’t give that degree, but an affiliate college does?

right2bright on August 12, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Michelle’s book proves that they’re ALL crooks.

marklmail on August 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Is UMUC an affiliated university, is it accredited…what is it? An education mill?

right2bright on August 12, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Stealing shirts isn’t enough thug thizzle to get this job . We lack sufficient data .

borntoraisehogs on August 12, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Sounds like he got an MISinformation degree. Either way, this is the best Barry can do for this position? Pul-eeze. The guy couldn’t hack it in the business world (obviously) so he’s been a government drone ever since.

redfoxbluestate on August 12, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Is UMUC an affiliated university, is it accredited…what is it? An education mill?

right2bright on August 12, 2009 at 3:55 PM

It is accredited, and (IMO) it’s not as low of a level as an internet-only type degree mill. There are actually physical classes and professional instructors and the like. It’s in the Maryland university system and all that good stuff. It’s not like it’s a bad school. It’s just not the University of Maryland.

JohnTant on August 12, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Kundra DID lie:

From the White House’s own press release introducing Kundra:
“He is a graduate of the University of Virginia’s Sorensen Institute for Political Leadership and holds a MS in Information Technology from the University of Maryland.”

Note that it says he graduated from the “University of Maryland”. It’s commonly understood that when you say “The university of (state)”, without specifying the campus, you mean the main campus of that university. For example, if you said you went to the “University of California”, it’s understood that you meant the main Berkeley campus, and not UCLA, UCSD, UC Merced, etc.

Thus, by omitting the specific campus where Kundra earned his masters degree, the press release from the White House was clearly trying to imply that Kundra graduated from the main, and most prestigious, University of Maryland campus in College Park, and not a less prestigious satellite campus.

gyc on August 12, 2009 at 4:02 PM

It is an unfortunately common practice for graduates from lesser members of a university system to imply that they are graduates of the flagship university. University of Maryland System’s flagship is the Collge Park campus. UMCP ranks with any public or private university. The University College campus is next to the College Park campus but is distinct (and not nearly as prestigious).

Margee on August 12, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Come on! Well all pad our resume’! Lord knows if I hadn’t I would not be the Pediatric Surgeon I am today!

ronsfi on August 12, 2009 at 4:04 PM

and it’s still the most transparent administration evahhhh.

SHARPTOOTH on August 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM

I graduated from (some) New York University.

faraway on August 12, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Come on! Well all pad our resume’! Lord knows if I hadn’t I would not be the Pediatric Surgeon I am today!

ronsfi on August 12, 2009 at 4:04 PM

You sent out copies of your résumé in Austrian, I’ll bet.

RushBaby on August 12, 2009 at 4:11 PM

RushBaby on August 12, 2009 at 4:11 PM

.
And Australian.

ronsfi on August 12, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Is UMUC an affiliated university, is it accredited…what is it? An education mill?

right2bright on August 12, 2009 at 3:55 PM

UMUC is primarily geared towards working people, I took some classes at night there because I couldn’t go to school during the day due to work. They also have a ton of military members taking classes through them.

hump1201 on August 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM

His University of Maryland degree is kinda like Olberdouche’s Cornell degree isn’t it?

Tim Zank on August 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM

I’ve updated MY resume:

Leader of the Free World – Sept 1992 to Jan 1995 when I left to get my doctor of Philosophy in Computer Applications from the University of Glasgowburgh.

I spent two years inventing air.

The string theory is based on a rye bread recipe I came up with while vacationing on Martha’ Vineyard.

I speak 367 languages.

Where do I send this to get it to Obama?

allstonian on August 12, 2009 at 4:16 PM

John Dvorak is well-known to Apple computer fans as an unreliable, inaccurate technology reporter. He has spread a lot of FUD over the years, for whatever reasons, on both sides of the operating system divide – and has been labeled a “hit-ho” for writing deliberately controversial stories without much regard for facts.

Looks like he’s done it again.

Gilda on August 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM

THIS. Dvorak is an absolute idiot. He’s been preaching Apple’s demise since back in the late Eighties. On numerous occasions he’s said they were either going out of business or they were going to be gobbled up by some company that didn’t have close to enough money to take on Apple’s huge cash reserves. Every single innovation since Jobs returned to Cupertino was claimed by Dvorak to be THE FINAL NAIL! (11elevnty!!!) in Apple’s coffin.

You could get rich betting against that idiot’s proclamations.

(And yes, I’ve spent a great deal of time in the Reality Distortion Field.)

TC@LeatherPenguin on August 12, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Where do I send this to get it to Obama?

allstonian on August 12, 2009 at 4:16 PM

I’d say ya better get it to Vivek!

Tim Zank on August 12, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Whatever else Kundra appears to have done, he apparently told the truth about his education and his employment.

Or, if Kundra’s words, “partial truth.” As gyc indicated, generally you shouldn’t give a college system without the school name/location, or else you’re implicitly saying you went to the flagship school. “University of Maryland” is College Park, “Michigan” is Ann Arbor, “Wisconsin” is Madison, etc. Seems to me like this “partial truth” was résumé padding by another name. And worse, because it makes it look like he lied to anyone who checked it, but not thoroughly.

For example, if you said you went to the “University of California”, it’s understood that you meant the main Berkeley campus, and not UCLA, UCSD, UC Merced, etc.

Actually, “University of California” isn’t quite as much of a sin, since the system has several world-class, well-respected, long-standing universities, such as UCLA and UCSD. If all you put is “University of California,” people are more likely to ask “Which campus?” (or just wonder why you can’t even complete a simple résumé properly). But if you say you went to “Cal,” you better have gone to Berkeley….

Still, the attitudes at the schools are quite amusing; those at Berkeley think it’s the flagship school. UCLA thinks the system has two flagship schools. UCSD thinks there are three, or possibly four if you include the medical school at UCSF.

calbear on August 12, 2009 at 4:25 PM

RushBaby on August 12, 2009 at 4:11 PM

To all 57 states

brdchris1 on August 12, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Who are you going to believe, proof that would hold up in court or your own lying eyes?

Niteowl45 on August 12, 2009 at 4:32 PM

This is disturbing.

The Obama Administration wants to lift the nine-year ban on cookies from federal websites.

“The Office of Management and Budget is considering reversing a nine-year ban on using “cookies” to track users’ preferences and interests on federal Web sites.”

“The shift in policy is being billed as a way for government to enter the 21st century and for federal agencies to use the same technology utilized on news sites, retail sites and social media networks.”

coldwarrior on August 12, 2009 at 4:32 PM

He was shoplifting when he was 22?

Blake on August 12, 2009 at 4:33 PM

…trying to actually verify his supposed MS in Information Technology from the University of Maryland, College Park campus. The registrar has no record of it.

Heh, kinda like the Bamster’s birth certificate?

petefrt on August 12, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Vivek Kundra seems to have a habit of hiding his past (gee, remind you of anyone?) as I pointed out some time ago…..

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/03/transparency_or_a_case_of_the.html

Archimedes on August 12, 2009 at 4:34 PM

He was shoplifting when he was 22?

Blake on August 12, 2009 at 4:33 PM

A little over ten years ago. Try to get a routine security clearance with that sort of thing. Maybe if he did it when he was 14, or it was thirty years ago…but this is in the realm of current or recent behavior.

coldwarrior on August 12, 2009 at 4:39 PM

I am the CEO of angryed, Inc. I also have a PhD from the University of Georgia College of Georgia University College.

Can I run a government agency too please?

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 4:45 PM

His background sounds perfect for this administration! He should fit right in with the Man behind the Mask (his documents are completely hidden from public view). We should be grateful we know a little of what kind of folks “THE ONE” thinks are the brightest this country has to offer. Thank God for HotAir and other sites who actually investigate the facts.

tigerclaw on August 12, 2009 at 5:02 PM

The office of the new Czar of Fact-Checking will soon be in touch with HotAir in order to re-educate it’s readers.

scubajeff on August 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM

John Dvorak is well-known to Apple computer fans as an unreliable, inaccurate technology reporter. He has spread a lot of FUD over the years, for whatever reasons, on both sides of the operating system divide – and has been labeled a “hit-ho” for writing deliberately controversial stories without much regard for facts.

Looks like he’s done it again.

Gilda on August 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Beat me to it.

Dvorak is a hack, plain and simple. The fact that he didn’t even realize there might have been a different campus Kundra attended just proves what Gilda pointed out has been obvious to most Apple followers, that he doesn’t bother to do all his homework before spouting something stupid.

smfoushee on August 12, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Is there any way for us citizens to challenge the Constitutionality of these czar appointments? How does that work?

NickE on August 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM

This is disturbing.

The Obama Administration wants to lift the nine-year ban on cookies from federal websites.

“The Office of Management and Budget is considering reversing a nine-year ban on using “cookies” to track users’ preferences and interests on federal Web sites.”

“The shift in policy is being billed as a way for government to enter the 21st century and for federal agencies to use the same technology utilized on news sites, retail sites and social media networks.”

coldwarrior on August 12, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Why is that disturbing at all? Cookies are standard operating procedure for the web and necessary as HTTP is a stateless protocol. Not sure what the “ban” was since cookies are already in use by Federal websites and have for years, they just want to expand their use. HotAir uses them. FoxNews uses them. Everyone uses them. The internet has changed a lot in the past nine years and to be able to play in the sandbox they need to use all the tools.

I bet you don’t actually know what cookies are and that’s why you’re disturbed. Do a bit of research next time.

jonknee on August 12, 2009 at 5:50 PM

shoplifting shirts from a Penney’s

LMAO …. Towncraft!

Classic!

BigMike252 on August 12, 2009 at 5:54 PM

jonknee on August 12, 2009 at 5:50 PM

I clear my cookies cache every time I log off. Prevents all sorts of ads and such coming my way. Got the spam blocker and pop-up killer. I use Linux. Safer overall than what is more commonly used. I am not a computer geek. Just a computer user.

Had to be a reason for the ban back in 2000. About the same time DoD was compelled to shut down a massive data mining program.

The question is, if private companies essentially use cookies to track areas of interest, trends, buying habits, types of sites visited for their own advertising programs…what is to prevent government from doing the same. Cookies are not just left there in your cache for nothing. They have usage and there is at a minimum a use in marketing. Not a big deal.

But, I’d much prefer government not being able to compile trends, usage, areas of interest and web use via such. Having worked with NSA in the past, and familiar with some very novel means to track communications, I have a healthy fear of government being able to compile anything on me.

coldwarrior on August 12, 2009 at 6:23 PM

jonknee on August 12, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Hans: Hey Helmut, I hear they’re going to put stars on the coats of all Jews. Not sure I like this idea.

Helmut: So what? It doesn’t mean anything. Just a way for the government to identify certain people in society. Stop being so paranoid.

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 6:34 PM

I clear my cookies cache every time I log off. Prevents all sorts of ads and such coming my way. Got the spam blocker and pop-up killer. I use Linux. Safer overall than what is more commonly used. I am not a computer geek. Just a computer user.

Had to be a reason for the ban back in 2000. About the same time DoD was compelled to shut down a massive data mining program.

The question is, if private companies essentially use cookies to track areas of interest, trends, buying habits, types of sites visited for their own advertising programs…what is to prevent government from doing the same. Cookies are not just left there in your cache for nothing. They have usage and there is at a minimum a use in marketing. Not a big deal.

But, I’d much prefer government not being able to compile trends, usage, areas of interest and web use via such. Having worked with NSA in the past, and familiar with some very novel means to track communications, I have a healthy fear of government being able to compile anything on me.

coldwarrior on August 12, 2009 at 6:23 PM

As I suspected, you don’t know what cookies do. Deleting them will not prevent “ads and such” to go your way. AdBlock will though. Good on you for the Linux, I have a Linux powered netbook for around the house and love it.

If the government wanted to gather your interests they can do so quite easily without requiring cookies (or a warrant thanks to the previous administration). Cookies don’t even make much more in the way of marketing trends possible if you already control the webservers in question–IP is enough with a reasonably sophisticated analysis tool. They’re most handy (and required by) in interactive applications which are rapidly becoming the norm. For example, the cookies you have right now for HotAir allow you to be authorized to post comments.

jonknee on August 12, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Hans: Hey Helmut, I hear they’re going to put stars on the coats of all Jews. Not sure I like this idea.

Helmut: So what? It doesn’t mean anything. Just a way for the government to identify certain people in society. Stop being so paranoid.

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Do you not know at all what cookies do or do you just take comparisons to the holocaust lightly? You accepted a cookie to be able to post this comment–do you feel like you’ve been tagged?

jonknee on August 12, 2009 at 6:41 PM

FINISH HIM!!!! (insert Mortal Kombat finishing move)

portlandon on August 12, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Yes.

Or for you LOTRO fans, a 6 RED Conjunction, leveling up at the same time.

Sapwolf on August 12, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Like Father, Like son….

how can Dad(Ogabe) scold Kundra for a little grade and resume inflation when he got his job on it?

sven10077 on August 12, 2009 at 3:37 PM

A lying POTUS employs another liar as his Chief Information Officer. Why is anyone surprised?

Norwegian on August 12, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Kundra lied, my lord, Kundra lied
Kundra lied, my lord, Kundra lied
Kundra lied, my lord, Kundra lied
Oh lord….Kundra lied

Hening on August 12, 2009 at 3:53 PM

It’s funny to see how many people comment without even bothering to read the post.

orange on August 12, 2009 at 6:48 PM

angryed on August 12, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Wow. I’ve never seen Godwin’s Law violated over cookies before. Well done, angryred!

orange on August 12, 2009 at 6:49 PM

It is quite possible to build web applications w/o the use of cookies, I have a major web app for an AVL company that simply uses command strings to maintain persistence.

JimK on August 12, 2009 at 7:07 PM

This administration is full of these jerks! He probably still shoplifts…..just at upscale stores.

yoda on August 12, 2009 at 7:31 PM

It is quite possible to build web applications w/o the use of cookies, I have a major web app for an AVL company that simply uses command strings to maintain persistence.

JimK on August 12, 2009 at 7:07 PM

And that’s insecure and very open to session hijacking. Have fun without your cookies but your users are at risk–not even SSL can save you if you put the session ID in the request string. There’s a reason why every top tier web application uses cookies when available.

jonknee on August 12, 2009 at 10:49 PM