Specter: “I don’t have any requirement to be here”
posted at 12:15 pm on August 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Things got a little heated at the townhall forum held by Senator Arlen Specter (R er, D-PA) this morning after a curious decision not to allow people to ask questions live from the floor. One constituent had to initially be restrained when he found out that he couldn’t ask a live question, but Specter handled the incident well by giving the man his say — and admitting that his office needed to do better in adopting a process that allowed for live interaction in his meetings. He then angered the crowd all over again by reminding them how lucky they are to be in his presence at all, as this video clip by The College Politico shows at the end:
SPECTER: I’m encouraging constitutional rights. I’m encouraging constitutional rights by coming to Lebanon to talk to my constituents. I could be somewhere else. I don’t get any extra pay — I don’t have any requirement to be here. But for somebody –
CROWD: [Angry murmuring] You work for us! You report to us!
SPECTER: Okay, okay, number — well, I am reporting to you …
Putting aside the risible notion that holding townhalls are required for “encouraging constitutional rights,” lecturing Pennsylvanians on their good fortune to have an audience with their lordly Senator seems to be right in line with the Democratic approach to democracy these days. Specter doesn’t get any “extra pay”? He makes $174,000 a year for a job that requires him to be at the office four days a week when Congress is in session, which is only about 2/3rds of the year. He has a gold-plated medical and dental package that Specter certainly won’t surrender for the ObamaCare system he’s pushing. Thanks to his 30 years in the Senate, he’s eligible for a pension that will pay 80% of that salary and keep his benefits package in place until he dies.
How many of his constituents have that kind of job? How many do you think will be impressed that Specter deigned to receive his subjects without getting a bonus payment to do it? What a great example of Beltway arrogance — and what a great opportunity for Pat Toomey.
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HornetSting on August 11, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Fox has been panning the supporters in New Hampshire holding up pre-printed signs about how everyone in America deserves Healthcare NOW. They haven’t shown the other side of the line…yet. This is going to be fun. Pass the butter. I watching Fox News, listening to Rush, and posting at the same time. I can’t get any work done today. This is too important.
kingsjester on August 11, 2009 at 12:44 PM
ZING!
bluelightbrigade on August 11, 2009 at 12:44 PM
No extra pay for what??? To show up and listen to the people that actually pay his salary???
Just another guy who’s been in government way too long.
JellyToast on August 11, 2009 at 12:44 PM
If the GOP had any smarts they’d be outraged and would have been running ads for the past week. Where’s the outrage at our citizens being called un-American, swastika toting any Klan like mobs? If they can’t come up with a response to show how delusional and arrogant these representatives are then they’re just as pathetic as they are.
scalleywag on August 11, 2009
The GOP wants the same level of power over our lives that the Democrats are trying to seize. They just want to get there a bit more incrementally. When you look at the level of spending and federal power-grabbing that they have voted for, can you really dispute this? Like I said, R’s and D’s are on parallel tracks riding trains of different speeds. The goals are the same.
The number of identifiable conservatives in the GOP is fairly small and has been dwindling for some time. Our charge is to find the small government, fiscally prudent conservatives and support them and only them. Opting for the lesser of two evils got us where we are today.
SKYFOX on August 11, 2009 at 12:44 PM
question for the (R)s in PA, did he every conduct a town hall mtg while he was a rino?
cmsinaz on August 11, 2009 at 12:41 PM
hell no
SHARPTOOTH on August 11, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Gosh, it not like they work to represent us or anything. What are you thinking?
TXMomof3 on August 11, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Welcome back troll. FU and have a shitty day!
jwp1964 on August 11, 2009 at 12:45 PM
I like this version better. I must be related to Mr. Fawkes.
LimeyGeek on August 11, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Democrats and Republicans
Same sh*t. Different piles.
Good Lt on August 11, 2009 at 12:46 PM
I figured as much…
cmsinaz on August 11, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Fascist wankers get yelled at. It’s the law.
LimeyGeek on August 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM
I believe this should be the ultimate goal of the tea party protests. We need to squash all the socialist garbage coming out DC: cap & tax, Obamacare, porkulus, the unaccountable Czars, Card check, etc. But the ultimate should be term limits. These corruptocrats aren’t going to sit idly by while we take their power away, but it MUST be done!
Christian Conservative on August 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM
A beautiful view.
Johan Klaus on August 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM
What’s a wanker?
TXMomof3 on August 11, 2009 at 12:48 PM
13 minutes until the most glorious one speaks. Avelrod has sounded the Troll Alert. They are coming out from under their bridges to provide cover for Dear Leader.
kingsjester on August 11, 2009 at 12:48 PM
So wait…if my boss called me into his office to ask my why I’m flouting my employment-at-will contract by mooning passers-by from my office window, and I told him, “you know, I’m not being paid extra to be here talking to you,” how long do you think I’d remain employed?
Good Lt on August 11, 2009 at 12:48 PM
If holding a microphone and telling people why they should agree with you without letting the speak is “standing up for Constitutional Rights” then Chávez should be right up there with Jefferson. He does it for hours at a time.
29Victor on August 11, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Specter is trash. He was trash as a republican and now he is treacherous trash as a democrat….I think he smells defeat.
JIMV on August 11, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Didn’t he have lots of toys and a flying car?
LimeyGeek on August 11, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Toomey’s ad should show Specter saying this, then promising that he would work for and report to his constituents. It is amazing how well one could do if they merely touch on the basics of a Constitutional Republic. After Obama’s reign, people will be begging for it.
Grafted on August 11, 2009 at 12:49 PM
How delicious would that be, to have a Town Hall meeting where citizens demanded legislation imposing term limits, to be rushed into law immediately. Because that’s the real crisis facing Americans right now, these feckless rumps in office bankrupting our country with their boondoggles and bailouts and special interest programs.
scalleywag on August 11, 2009 at 12:49 PM
ROFL. You can always find great comedy in the HotAir comments.
You work for the people of your district and don’t forget it, Arlen. At least you’ve finally admitted you’re no Republican. Let’s hope PA gets rid of this arrogant jerk once and for all.
Renwaa on August 11, 2009 at 12:49 PM
When will somebody punch out a congressman????
What jury would convict them????
izoneguy on August 11, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Arrogant, slithering, corrupt, incompetent, piece of rotten stinking garbage, Arlen Specter.
This is the kind of things that got Marie Antoinette her head handed to her, literally.
At least she was a princess.
Here we have a guy who is supposed to serve the people, but in his bed crapping confusion, he thinks it’s the other way around.
Do Democrats realize that they are supposed to even serve the people who didn’t vote for them and who don’t agree with them?
I’d really like to get an answer to that question.
NoDonkey on August 11, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Well guess what happens if you act like an ass instead of being civil: No more townhalls for everybody else. He is right. He doesn’t have to be there, especially if people are going to behave like that.
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 12:44 PM
You wouldn’t have people screaming at you if they felt they were being heard already.
d1carter on August 11, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Term limits just provides a way for the voter to be lazy…we just need to educate the people to exercise their own term limits.
Conservative Voice on August 11, 2009 at 12:50 PM
I liked Linderhof, better than Neu???(the one in Fussen. My German spelling ability is nonexistent.
TXMomof3 on August 11, 2009 at 12:50 PM
AH, dumb comment making him sound like a Rep. He’s a Senator, of course! D’oh!
Renwaa on August 11, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Never happen but I would pay to see Pelosi Bitch Slapped silly…
JIMV on August 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Axelrod let you out early today?…..this is their job….answering to their constituents….if you can’t take the heat, we will find someone who can….
HornetSting on August 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Terry, Congress has been acting like an ass for quite some time, the people are having enough…PA isn’t a Red State and look at their passion.
Conservative Voice on August 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM
He had a huge obsession with Wagner and I think they drowned him a lake.
TXMomof3 on August 11, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Is there no mental evaluation ever done on Government Workers?
I mean some of them hold high clearance positions. Wouldn’t you want more than this day laborer- he appears to be on the clock, per his pay comment, representing you?
Dr Evil on August 11, 2009 at 12:52 PM
A masturbateur.
Akzed on August 11, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Yeah, why let the bastards voice their opinions? Screw’em. What right do they have to dissent the party line?
Seriously moron, we tried the civil discourse thing and it didn’t work. We are at war now and there isn’t any turning back because whiners like you don’t like yelling to the extent that you call dissenters idiots.
In fact, I’d agrue that the First Amendment is more alive today than it has been in a while. I will celebrate that even if people like you are in a snit over yelling and not being nice to arrogant elected officials.
highhopes on August 11, 2009 at 12:52 PM
The last 8 years have been the very model of ‘liberal’ civility, haven’t they?
LimeyGeek on August 11, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Arlen is smelling the defecation in his depends….
izoneguy on August 11, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Yeah the voters were heard. When they voted in the election last year! People voted for this. All Obama talked about during the campaign was healthcare reform. jeez
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Are you volunteering? Why does somebody else have to do it first? Judging by the number of question marks, it looks like you’re ready to.
Yes.
Violence is not helpful, as you saw with the SEIU-Obama thugs stomping people in the streets.
It’s helpful for the opposition in that it allows them to raise the bloody shirt.
Smarter, please.
Good Lt on August 11, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Arlen… if you’re going to play arrogant royal, don’t forget the powdered wig.
T J Green on August 11, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Troll alert!
scalleywag on August 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Craig’s list paid well…..They’re showing them now….homemade signs, no acorn signs, real Americans!
Pass the salt….I need a shot…is it five pm yet?
HornetSting on August 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM
You can’t fight human nature. The vast majority of voters are lazy, and will always be lazy. It takes a lot of work to keep yourself educated. Work that many people would rather spend on family or hobbies. Especially given the extremely tiny chance that your one vote will be the one that decides the election.
Any system that can only be operated by informed voters, is one that is doomed to failure.
MarkTheGreat on August 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM
*APPLAUSE*
INC on August 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Specter is a Senator, not a government worker.
It sounds absurd but none of the rules that apply for federal employment apply to the Congress.
highhopes on August 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM
You CANNOT be that stupid. I am sorry to all the rest of you, but this guy is.
TXMomof3 on August 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Wish someone would point out to the Senator that Obamacare would be unconstitutional since he seems to be in a Constitutional frame of mind.
DerKrieger on August 11, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Generic male-oriented limey insult, a bit harsher than “jerk”.
LimeyGeek on August 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Health care was the only thing he talked about. All year long?
And to think, you actually expect people to take you seriously.
MarkTheGreat on August 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM
You’re absolutely correct, he can do the right thing and resign immediately.
Arlen Specter has contributed absolutely nothing positive to this country during his entire time in office.
The best thing for this country this complete idiot and every other scum Democrat can do is resign immediately.
They are all completely worthless and incompetent – you are right, they shouldn’t have to take this and we shouldn’t have to be represented by such utter scum, but we are.
NoDonkey on August 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM
We ain’t looking at mere health care reform, we’re looking at a total federal takeover of every aspect of our lives. I don’t think people voted for losing their private insurance, mandatory end-of-life counseling, etc. Oh, and you’re a hose bag.
Akzed on August 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM
This fossil’s days are numbered.
aop on August 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM
No your stupid. All Obama talked about during the election was trying to get healthcare for all. Its not like he hid how he felt. Oh that’s right. You people think he only got elected because he is black and likable and not on the issues. My mistake, I forgot who I was talking to.
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Yeah the voters were heard. When they voted in the election last year! People voted for this. All Obama talked about during the campaign was healthcare reform. jeez
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Terry most people took it mean reform not overhaul. Obama is trying to operate a triple bypass with we have just an ingrown toenail.
MarkTheGreat on August 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM
You don’t have much faith in the founders or the people then. Yes it takes effort, but that is our responsibility…Freedom requires the people to be awake and aware.
Conservative Voice on August 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Yeah, Terry. The last 8 years were extremely civil. Like Code Pink at the Republican Convention or the Minute Men getting attacked as they were speaking at Columbia. Or “Bush Lied, People Died.” I have one for you, Skippy. How about “Obama Lied, Freedom Died”. (TM)
Stand By. One minute until The Great Orator…errr…uhhh.
kingsjester on August 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM
A minority of the population voted for an incoherent blather of euro-socialist gibberish promises….which have promptly been reneged.
LimeyGeek on August 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Yup! He’s shovel ready!
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on August 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM
I find it really impossible to insulted by someone like you. By the way, who is “you people”?
TXMomof3 on August 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 12:53 PM
And most people voted for Obama because it was the cool thing to do.
Conservative Voice on August 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM
The Democrats have been convincing the common working stiff that they are the voice and only protection against the evil Republicans, who will take away their benefits and steal their tax money to get richer. In fact, the cat is partially out of the bag. Could it be that the working stiffs are getting a whiff of the fact that they have been getting table crumbs?
If there is a collective epiphany of what the Democratic party has become, these outbursts will seem like a small ripple next to the wave of fury that will come from the working class, who hands over thirty to fifty percent of their hard earned wages to these royals. I’m a working stiff, and I want to see them impeached.
Hening on August 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Horsebleep they did.
This abortion of a Bill wasn’t even written yet.
That lying Obama told them nothing substantive.
And what difference does it make what happened last November, since the Democrats passed that horrific “stimulus” package, circumstances and finances have changed.
Democrats are not trusted on this issue. Winning an election does not give a politician free license to do whatever the hell it is they feel like, it is not a coronation.
NoDonkey on August 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Saw some of it. When told recent polls showed poeple didn’t want government run health care, he responded with something like: “Well, you can make polls say anything you want”. He’ll vote for whatever package comes to the floor. Time at the THM was wasted and would have been better spent planning on his ouster.
ROCnPhilly on August 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM
The glitch in Specter’s show was when the woman asked him why there was end-of-life-counseling in section 1233 of the bill.
On script, Specter called her a liar — the bill means nothing of the sort — and went on to the next question.
This has been really frustrating to watch. God love you questioners at the Town Halls, and you commenters at pro-life blogs, etc., but you have to force the issue using Obama’s authority, they recognize no other authority, so if you invoke Obama, they can’t dismiss you.
Tell them President Obama has himself interpreted section 1233 to mean that “maybe an old person shouldn’t get the pacemaker, but should just get the pills” which means pain management rather than surgery.
The President himself has told us this is a death clause. These congress people have to choose, are they for or against the health care bill as President Obama himself has interpreted it in his public statements.
Yes or no.
jeff_from_mpls on August 11, 2009 at 1:01 PM
They were also heard in 2000,2002, 2004, 2006, 2008, etc.
They’re heard every two years for the House, six for the Senate and four for the Presidency.
The liberals didn’t stop protesting Bush just because he won re-election, did they, or from 2000-2004? Nope. They got louder, more hysterical, more angry, and they kept protesting. BUT BUT BUT BUSH WON, after all. Didn’t you get the memo that you were supposed to shut the hell up all those years and never open your mouth again until you won a Presidential election? Didn’t the vote shut you all up?
IT DIDN’T?
Unless I was living in a coma from 2004-2008? We’re lucky that one’s right to yell at their elected representatives doesn’t hinge on majoritarian rule. That’s why there’s a First Amendment in place – we see how fast the minority would be denied the right to speak in 2009 if they weren’t Obamacrats, don’t we?
Maybe “shutting people up” is not what a vote is intended to do.
Food for thought.
Good Lt on August 11, 2009 at 1:01 PM
I’ve got to agree. People voted for change. But there were lazy and impatient and thought that Lord Obama was change that they could believe in. With the help of the Soros run media they missed that Obama was about a change to government control everything.
That is not what the American people want. They do not want government to control who lives and who dies.
These government elitists work for us. Work for us, they need to listen or be voted out.
ORconservative on August 11, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Yeah, and all you did was b*tch and moan about it and call people unpatriotic. Your just the same kind of assholes. Most people want civil discourse, but the loudmouths on both sides just make that impossible.
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Senator Spector, there is more to the Consitution than the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. Apparently this will come as a surprise to you, but the Constitution has very strict limitations on the authority of the Federal government. Providing health care or health insurance are not included in that list of federal responsibilities.
afone2 on August 11, 2009 at 1:02 PM
No, you are…….95% of blacks voted for this waste of skin, don’t have to pay my mortgage, gas, I help obama and he will help me…..remember that lady?
The more you post, the dumber you appear to be.
HornetSting on August 11, 2009 at 1:02 PM
You, and scum like you. Clear?
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 1:03 PM
You, and scum like you. Clear?
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Very civil, Terry. Very civil.
kingsjester on August 11, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Yes, it is clear that you are scum.
Thanks for clarifying.
Good Lt on August 11, 2009 at 1:04 PM
You know I find that comment extremely funny. You are the kind that hides on blogs and would not say that to someone’s face. You are a coward and an idiot.
TXMomof3 on August 11, 2009 at 1:04 PM
One day this man will wind up wearing a trench coat and exposing himself to old ladys.
“Hey Doris! Wanna read something?….looky HERE!”
muttering …all I had to do was read the bill first….damn it…..
BobMbx on August 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM
You, and scum like you. Clear?
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Really terry? Scum is reserved for rapists, child molesters, and lawyers…lets be civil shall we
Conservative Voice on August 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Boy people really show their true colors when their angry. Yeah that lady really represents his voting base. Go F yourself.
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM
First off, if you are going to insult somebody by calling them stupid, it might be helpful to understand the difference between “your” and the contraction you are.
For the record, the filthy liar in the White House did indeed get elected, in part, because he is multi-racial but as far as I’m concerned he’s never been likeable. His racist overtones are very unpleasant.
Finally, the filthy liar in the White House campaigned on many issues, including transparency in his administration and a ban on hiring lobbyists. He also campaigned on being post-partisan. To date his corrupt administration has been secretive to the point they are now soliciting citizen spies to report on their neighbors, dozens of top appointments by lobbyists, and a myriad of ways the rat bastard traitor has betrayed his campaign promises.
highhopes on August 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM
I wish you were right here pal because I’d say it even louder, but I’m not going to resort to talking tough online.
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Hornet, I am going to take a little break. This guy obviously has issues. I am going to go to lunch and listen to Rush and forget all about this loser.
TXMomof3 on August 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Yes, just the way that all people who disagree with your Lord and Master are all “nazis/racists/bigots/hatemongers/homophobes/extremists/terrorists/(fill in hyperbolic insult here).
Whatsa matter? Can’t take the tactics your side dishes out?
Good Lt on August 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM
No they didn’t, you blithering idiot. They stupidly voted for an affirmative action Precedent who the neo-Pravda media played as someone with a brain. It took most people having to see the insanity and intense hatred of America that exudes from The Precedent to understand how badly they screwed up.
Hardly. The Precedent talked about nothing specific. He was nothing but “Hope and Change” and sold by the neo-Pravda media and other morons who were awestruck by his affirmative action credentials (as he had nothing else).
Now, America is realizing that they signed their own national suicide note on Nov 4, and America-haters like you are cheering on the death of the greatest nation to have ever existed.
progressoverpeace on August 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM
To think that young men die on the battlefield so this insufferable asshole can
talklie andtalklie andtalklie.izoneguy on August 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Yes, they do, don’t they scumbag? Painted into a corner..no where to run, you cannot defend, you cannot hide…..
BTW, school is in session, scumbag:
They+are=They’re
Their
There
There is a difference, dummy.
HornetSting on August 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Any time you want to start talking, we’re game.
You haven’t succeeded in saying anything yet, though.
Good Lt on August 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Well I’m going to go listen to OUR President speak, ciao.
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Have a fantastic lunch, we’ll have him in the fetal position by the time you come back…..Yes, WE can!
HornetSting on August 11, 2009 at 1:09 PM
He’s all YOURS and he’s nothing but a Precedent.
progressoverpeace on August 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM
So, which campaign issue that caused you to vote for him hasn’t he abrogated?
Close GITMO?, air raiding villages, out of Iraq, ending “torture” etc?
The list of things he screwed YOU on is as long as his list of promises. He hasn’t screwed me….I knew then what he is was all about. You are learning the hard way.
It sucks to be wrong….doesn’t it?
BobMbx on August 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Only 2/3rds of it.
Most people who vote for Democrats are either sorryass losers looking for a handout or people so damn rich that the idiot policies Democrats promote can’t possibly hurt them personally.
NoDonkey on August 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Is that you under his podium? Hey there, scumbag…
HornetSting on August 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Your messiah is on! Quick! Time to grab the Phise-o-derm and the tissues and drop trou!
Sugarbuzz on August 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Well I’m going to go listen to OUR President speak, ciao.
Terry Silver on August 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM
When the going gets tough, the “tough” get going.
kingsjester on August 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM
My senator is a joke. Thankfully, I don’t have any requirement to vote for him. 2010 hurry up!!
jtownsley on August 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM
THe problem is this is Pennsylvania. It’s already been proved that a politician can call his constituents ignorant and hicks, and they’ll STILL vote him in. So what’s the point.
Jeff from WI on August 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Wow.
Gotta give Specter credit- he was adroit and managed the situation out of a total disaster.
It’s not the House of Lords, Arlen.
drjohn on August 11, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Terry wasn’t wrong. He voted for the death of America and he is very happy with how The Precedent is driving this nation to ruin. Terry is loving this. He hopes this nation burns to the ground.
progressoverpeace on August 11, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Memory lane time:
Liberals “shutting up” when Bush was inaugurated after winning a decisive re-election in 2005.
Seems like the vote in the 2004 election didn’t give the moonbats their “message.” No swaztikas or hysterics here. Just “patriotism” and “dissent.”
Ah, remember the good old days when the left thought protesting public officials – no matter what was said – was the highest form of patriotism?
How about the guy hoping there it doesn’t come to a violent revolution but is nonetheless afraid that he just might be forced to join one if it started?
Now, obviously, that video was racist.
Good Lt on August 11, 2009 at 1:12 PM
According to Rush, a woman was reading directly from the bill, and Specter denied that it was true. Reading directly from the bill, but nobody should believe it???? Huh?
How exciting is it now that Specter is a democrat? Blast away!
kcarpenter on August 11, 2009 at 1:12 PM
He doesn’t preside in any manner over me, or any American – since you are not an American, you clearly don’t understand this.
He presides over the executive branch only. Not the people.
LimeyGeek on August 11, 2009 at 1:13 PM
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