Cardin: You know what gov’t does well? Medicare!
posted at 1:36 pm on August 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
It looks as though a bunch of un-Americans are unhappy with Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD) over his support for ObamaCare. A Towson University crowd repeatedly jeered Cardin for his answers to challenges on the health-care reform bill, with anger rising after Cardin admitted that funding for ObamaCare hadn’t yet been established. When Cardin held Medicare out as an example of how government made anything cheaper and more efficient, he nuked the fridge:
Cardin said how to pay for the bill has not yet been worked out, a comment that prompted even more derision from the audience. Some shouted, “Taxes!” and others shouted, “Spend, Ben, spend!”
At one point, four police officers strolled down the two aisles of the auditorium at Towson University and stood in front of the stage.
Cardin defended the health bills, saying they would provide more choice, and that there would be more people, not fewer, with insurance.
One questioner asked for an example of anything the government had taken over and provided cheaper. Cardin cited the national parks system and Medicare.
That drew more boos and jeers.
Cardin said Medicare is cheaper than private insurance for the elderly, adding, “your government runs it more effectively.”
Medicare? Say, isn’t that the system that threatens to drown the US in debt for the next century? Isn’t that the system that does such a poor job of compensating providers that many of them will no longer take new patients under its coverage? That’s the program that Obama will cut by $500 billion over the next ten years to help fund health-care reform … right?
It might be hard to top that knee-slapper, but Cardin gives it his best shot. At about the 48-minute mark of the C-SPAN video of the event, a constituent asks Cardin this question:
Q: Would you please specify which article and section of the United States Constitution gives the Congress the right to forcibly interfere with my right to contract for my own health care and that of my family? Please cite the constitutional article.
CARDIN: Article I. Article I.
I assume that Cardin means Article I, Section 8 – The Powers of Congress, even though it says no such thing. For the record, this is the entirety of that portion of the Constitution:
Section 8 – Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
The argument offered by statists for these kinds of schemes falls on two portions of the section: “provide … for the general welfare” and interstate commerce. However, neither gives Congress the right to interfere with lawful and free contracts between individuals, and since health care is not illegal, such contracts would be lawful. “General welfare” refers to the nation as a whole, not individuals within it. The men who wrote the document would have been horrified to learn that people interpreted that as a lever through which Congress claimed the power to mandate a standard of living for each individual citizen; the entire thrust of the document argues in opposition to that, and puts the citizen above the government as a means to check its power. (As an aside, I find it hilarious that the very people who cannot find an individual right to bear arms in the portion of this document which focuses solely on individual rights somehow finds an individual application in “general welfare.”)
The interstate commerce clause has been misinterpreted for decades in favor of greater federal power, but even those misreadings never granted DC the power to block contracts for legal goods and services at the consumer level. It regulates the commerce between the states, ie, one state bargaining with another, and states bargaining with Indian tribes, in order to avoid the kind of conflicts that had doomed the previous Articles of Confederation. While Congress does have the power to block insurers from crossing state lines to sell policies — a very stupid policy, but one that falls under Article I, Section 8 — it does not have the constitutional authority to dictate the terms of the policies sold within the states.
Cardin obviously couldn’t give the right answer, which is that Congress has no authority for that kind of action. I’m sure he knows it, but he can’t admit it. The audience certainly knew it, however.










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That’s why ObamaCare is DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!
You know you’ve won the argument when your opponent says “my experience is financial disaster with program A. wont you trust me with program B?”
Repubicans FTW!!!
battleoflepanto1571 on August 11, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I’m not at all sure that Cardin knows it.
myrenovations on August 11, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I just realized that “D” behind their name means, “Don’t know what he is talking about.”
Elizabetty on August 11, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I am not too sure if I want Medi-Obama-Care.
Because everyone who I know on Medicare HAS been turned down… even for the simpliest things.
upinak on August 11, 2009 at 1:40 PM
PELOSI DEMANDS YOU TAKE THIS POST DOWN IMMEDIATELY ED!
Displaying sections of The Constitution is Un-American!
29Victor on August 11, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Once Medicare is running in the black we can talk about “Health Care Reform”.
BadgerHawk on August 11, 2009 at 1:41 PM
The full spin mode has been engaged as Ogabe and his minions try to convince everyone that government control is the best thing ever.
Bishop on August 11, 2009 at 1:41 PM
These guys are spinning themselves right into the ground…and fast.
Flameout at 30,000 feet.
And, Ed, thanks for posting Section 8, from Article One.
A necessary reminder, indeed.
coldwarrior on August 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM
It does Medicare well means people like it. People like it because it is too expensive and unsustainable.
The Medicare Advantage plans were supposed to allow private market to get the government out of Medicare.
Medicare loses 60 B dollars in fraud a year (read WASTE), and they pay the doctors and hospitals 30% less than private insurance (read doctors and hospitals couldn’t stay open if they just accepted Medicare).
What’s more, Medicare will be BROKE by 2017 at current calculations and likely sooner when the new budget projections concerning revenue come out.
What’s more, they aren’t talking about fixing Medicare. . . they are talking about expanding it. Expanding Medicare is the surest way to eliminate it and the seniors on it will lose what they have if they don’t address this situation specifically.
ThackerAgency on August 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM
ObamaCare is a Weapon of Mass Confusion, from the Masters of Deception.
kirkill on August 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM
*paging Linda Douglass*
SouthernGent on August 11, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Where is anninca?
txag92 on August 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM
And while I refuse to pay to extend it’s miserable life, I will offer help pay for “comfort care” if requires “physician aid in dying.”
29Victor on August 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Elizabetty on August 11, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I think the “D” means Deception. And also Duplicitous. And also Dumbass.
kirkill on August 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Obama care is like the Vampire Lestat we must be ever vigilant against sequels!
clnurnberg on August 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM
So the reason most doctors only accept a limited number of medicare patients is because its WONDERFULL???
sonofdy on August 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM
A little unconsitutionality never stopped a good democrat sponsered bill before.
CMonster on August 11, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Then he dropped trou and began to yodel.
whitetop on August 11, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Waiting in line at the Dr. office in CA.
kirkill on August 11, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Expect a constitutional crisis unlike any ever see if they force this takeover on us.
elduende on August 11, 2009 at 1:46 PM
The Constitution is living, Ed. It has no meaning but what we choose to give it.
spmat on August 11, 2009 at 1:46 PM
And Cardin has a bunch of union thugs to enforce his reading of the Constitution.
spmat on August 11, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Constitutions are for pussies that don’t own guns
CMonster on August 11, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Ed, many of us are proud Un-Americans. Un-ObamAmericans, that is.
TXUS on August 11, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Waiting in line at the Dr. office in CA.
kirkill on August 11, 2009 at 1:45 PM
LOL!
txag92 on August 11, 2009 at 1:48 PM
At the risk of sounding like a broken record:
Medicare is running a deficit this year alone of $300+ billion.
Vashta.Nerada on August 11, 2009 at 1:48 PM
That’s because 80% of medical expenses during a lifetime occur in the final illness leading to death and that old people die.
CMonster on August 11, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Marylanders –
Protest at Kratovil’s office today from 4-6
at 202 S. Main Street in Bel Air. Be there!
Laura in Maryland on August 11, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Thus, the key is to find a way to make people immortal
CMonster on August 11, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Okay – dumb question. Since this healthcare debacle is really and truly unconstitutional, how can it be crammed down our throats without recourse?
Enquiring mind wants to know.
tru2tx on August 11, 2009 at 1:51 PM
That’s how the hired Tim Geithner.
the_nile on August 11, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Bravo on your commerce clause reading! I can’t wait until you get to the lesson on the 21st amendment. Gettin’ thirsty.
clorensen on August 11, 2009 at 1:52 PM
If people don’t want government run programs then I think it is time to drop medicare.
liberal343 on August 11, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I’m voting for downloading our brains into cyborgs…the vampire thing wouldn’t work because we would eventually run out of live people…unless we could use stem cells to make fresh blood to drink…
CMonster on August 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Why is it so hard for our Congress to understand this? Before you open huge uncharted new programs in a certain area, make sure the government programs already running in this area actually work!
Two possible logical conclusions:
1. The backers of Obama Care are incredibly stupid; or
2. Their goals are not what they say they are.
I really don’t believe #1. That leaves #2, presumably ObamaCare as a wedge to a massive power grab.
jwolf on August 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM
I wasn’t aware that the private sector was managing the federal park system prior to it being taken over by the govt. Perhaps if I had gone to govt schools, this is one of the things that aren’t so, they would have taught me.
MarkTheGreat on August 11, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Oh, they’ll take care of that lickety-split.
rockhead on August 11, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Umm – does he even know that this thing is a bust?
vapig on August 11, 2009 at 1:55 PM
What the government does well is confiscate money and redistribute it.
That’s the only thing that it does well.
They are pigs, perpetually feeding at the public trough.
OhEssYouCowboys on August 11, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Government can’t run healthcare! lets get rod of Medicare and military health care. Lets out source the military health care to a private industry
liberal343 on August 11, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Troll343: IMHO it is not time to stop medicare. But it IS time to fix it, and certainly before even considering implementing a massive, similar program on the entire population.
jwolf on August 11, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Yay!!!! We agree on something!!! I also support the federal government giving everyone back the taxes they took to pay for it.
Are you with me on that?
BadgerHawk on August 11, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Under this interpretation, the “general welfare” clause gives the congress the power to anything they want, provided they are willing to claim the general welfare is promoted by the new law.
Why bother writing a constitution at all, if this interpretation is correct?
MarkTheGreat on August 11, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Ogabe is on the ropes with this one. He could come roaring back but he needs a fall guy. He needs someone to blame this failure on. Know who it will be? Nancy Pelosi. She wrote it – she’s a liar and everyone knows that as well. She is going under the bus. Her approval numbers are low – she’s ripe for the tarmac. It will be blue on blue like we’ve never seen. My personal recommendation is “Pop Secret” – nice snack to have while watching lefty heads explode.
johnnybgood on August 11, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Medicare is well run?
Right-wing media flack NBC begs to differ:
“Blatant Medicare fraud costs taxpayers billions
Officials say outrageous fraud schemes are ‘off the charts’
Law enforcement officials said it’s just one of the many widespread, organized and lucrative schemes to bilk Medicare out of an estimated $60 billion dollars a year — a staggering cost borne by American taxpayers.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22184921
So a program that’s bilked out of $60 billion per year (at least), is this clown’s definition of “well-run”?
NoDonkey on August 11, 2009 at 1:59 PM
because government operates independent of law now. Congress believes they can write any law they want as long as they find a way around the BOR. They don’t recognize that the constitution places limits on them.
This will change one of two ways:
1) Throw the rascals out. Every stinkin one of them that tries to tell you they’ll go to DC to “fight for you”. If you send someone to DC expecting them to bring back the bacon…you’re part of the problem too. Educate your children about the proper uses of government and why it’s a necessary evil not a power for good.
or
2) see the second amendment and the DOI.
Fighton03 on August 11, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Not to mention that the high prices from health care operators are from the cut rate medicare rates and they are still underwater.
These guys are unbelievable.
jukin on August 11, 2009 at 2:00 PM
If people don’t want government run programs then I think it is time to drop medicare.
liberal343 on August 11, 2009 at 1:52 PM
that’s right dumbass, fix medicare before you try to ram oboobi care down our throats…
SHARPTOOTH on August 11, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Hey you said black – that is racist….LOL
Once Medicare is running in the
blackprofit zone we can talk about “Health Care Reform”.izoneguy on August 11, 2009 at 2:02 PM
excellent idea about medicare! check the rate of healthcare cost increase since 65. As for the military side…..I’ve used army doctors, and had to get family members through the VA. Have you?
Fighton03 on August 11, 2009 at 2:02 PM
what a bafoon. just when i thought these guys might realize what idiots they’re looking like by defending this POS, they keep it up… all I can say is keep the tape rolling…
gatorboy on August 11, 2009 at 2:03 PM
No. It is not. Its that liberal crap that has brought our country down to where it is now in the first place. The Constitution is ABSOLUTE. Don’t like what is says? Then the Founding Fathers had the forethought to put a method in place in order to make changes that the nation as a whole deems necessary.
But as far as ‘interpreting it’, the only interpretation necessary is when some of words that was used have changed meaning. The word ‘Welfare’ is a perfect example of this. It does not mean handout that the Feds dole out. During that time it meant things like health, happiness, and prosperity (yes, the same as the Deceleration of Independence)
Which is why Medicare, Social Security, and Welfare are all unconstitutional and should be state level programs. If they moved that to the states, not only would there be less waste, but each state would have programs tailored to the population of the state (IE, more funding for Medicare/Social Security for states like Arizona and Florida). The extra taxes that the fed rakes in would go to the state (and be set by said state).
If its not in Article 1, Section 8, it belongs to the states. That simple.
0bamaCare is unconstitutional. Sadly, Crap-n-take is not…
Wolftech on August 11, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Amen, I say. Amen. I’ve been longing for the death of medicare since I learned what it was.
fronclynne on August 11, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Nuke the fridge…I like that, and will try to use it in conversation whenever possible. I realize it’s un-American of me to want to discuss how OUR Government uses OUR money
but they are nuking the fridge with their Marxist plans to run America into the ground! I hope that is the proper use, Ed. Thanks.
redwhiteblue on August 11, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Noooo….constitutions are for free men who own guns and are not willing to give them up for a king.
Fighton03 on August 11, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Sounds like a plan to me. It should be a state level program anyways. The VA program is different, because that is specialized program only accessible to those who served this country and put their lives on the line to protect the freedoms his country has and allows even kool-aid drinkers like you to spout nonsense.
Wolftech on August 11, 2009 at 2:08 PM
And of course you also support the government paying back all the “contributions” that old people were forced to pay into the Medicare system over their lifetimes, right? With compounded interest for all those years too, because anything less would be unfair. So how exactly do you propose we pay for that?
AZCoyote on August 11, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Marylanders: he’ll be back for another one tomorrow at Hagerstown Community College, 11am. Maybe we can come up with a Medicare flow chart for him.
hoosiermama on August 11, 2009 at 2:09 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Exhibit A of horrible logic!
In Liberal343′s mind:
People don’t like paying fees for entry into National Parks out West? Liberal343 Solution: let’s blow up Yellowstone Park and fill the Grand Canyon with dirt.
People complain that speed limits at the edges of uban metro areas ought to be way higher than 55. Liberal343 Soultion: remotely destroy all driver’s licenses and ban everyone from driving
People complain about the lack of border security. Liberal343 Solution: set fire to all border crossing offices and open up the borders completely to anyone who wants to come in
battleoflepanto1571 on August 11, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Medicare was predicted to be a disaster a long time ago, by someone we all should remember fondly.
michaelo on August 11, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Absolutely untrue. The Constitution is a fixed document. To interpret it as “living” is to give it a malleable quality from which condition no good may ever be derived, but, rather, from which all sorts of nefariousness will surely be developed.
AW1 Tim on August 11, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Yes medicare has done wonders to lower health care costs.
LevStrauss on August 11, 2009 at 2:13 PM
Noooo….constitutions are for free men who own guns and are not willing to give them up for a king.
Fighton03 on August 11, 2009 at 2:05 PM
or a messiah
SHARPTOOTH on August 11, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Which part of socialism do you dislike?
Johan Klaus on August 11, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Is that your call to racists, klan members, teabaggers, and other unAmericans, Laura?
/sarc
;-)
VibrioCocci on August 11, 2009 at 2:14 PM
I’ll be honest – I’m an active duty spouse that isn’t 100% sure about how Tricare functions. All I can tell you is this anecdote: Since our house was robbed, we’ve been living at my in-laws’. They live too far from a military treatment facility, which allows our family to use a civilian doctor at a civilian practice. I made an appointment, and was able to get in that same week. That same appointment took over 2 months at my old MTF. The standard of care is much higher to boot.
We’re grateful for what we’ve got, but it doesn’t mean that we have to think it’s good to go. And incidentally, I now live in Cardin’s state, and am thinking about going to his townhall tomorrow in Hagerstown. He’s not the sharpest tool in the shed, from what my father-in-law says.
Anna on August 11, 2009 at 2:14 PM
‘Is everybody in? Is everybody in? The nightmare is about to begin…..’
Rush is tearing it up on obama. This is such a joke, but the punchline will sink our country.
HornetSting on August 11, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Medicare has about 10-15% disappear in Fraud and is going bankrupt. If ut were a private company its ceo’s would be in jail and the only reason it hasn’t collapsed is because it has the backing of government. These liberal, they confuse the ability keep a program running with a well run program.
rob verdi on August 11, 2009 at 2:16 PM
That is something that has always bugged me about gun control advocates. The Bill of Rights is clearly for the protection of the individual from the government, but they want to exclude the second amendment from the definition. And now they want to claim “general welfare” is for the individual.
Wow, what fun it must be to be a liberal. Everything you want to be true is true, and anything you want to discard is rubish.
ladyingray on August 11, 2009 at 2:17 PM
liberal343 on August 11, 2009 at 1:56 PM
you make a ignorant comment then run away, you truly are a worthless little troll.
SHARPTOOTH on August 11, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Says the lad who never served, has no idea what constitutes military healthcare and has no ability to do basic math.
Bishop on August 11, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Yet one more reason why The Gipper was the last great President and all those who have come after aren’t even worthy enough to freshen the man’s drink (and some aren’t even worth enough to be on the same planet, let alone the same room… 0bama and Carter, I am looking at you…).
Deus Ex Reagen (ok, that’s a bit extreme, but if any politician is going to be canonized, its not going to be 0bama. Messiah… BAH… 0bama couldn’t save anything even if he had a coupon).
Wolftech on August 11, 2009 at 2:20 PM
The Dems are all trying to use Medicare as some positive intrusion of the Federal Govt. on health care. Looks like this came from the war room since they are all jumping on this. Hasn’t been so positive for me so far. As I said in an earlier thread:
I was really disappointed to see the Dem congresswoman who asked for a show of hands of seniors at a town hall who oppose Medicare and no one did. I would have. Because of Medicare, my employer forced me off the insurance I was pleased with and sells me only expensive supplemental insurance only. My wife also had to start over with insurance with less coverage and higher deductible even though she’s not a senior. Altogether, I am paying more now than I did before and the plan is NOT better. If it weren’t for the govt. taking my money for this Medicare plan, I’d be better off!
I’m in good health, not on any prescriptions, and could pass any physical, but because of Medicare, I am forced to pay more for insurance. Not to mention that the whole Medicare plan is going under. Get the government out of health care.
Christian Conservative on August 11, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Debate on any proposed legislation should begin with the question “Is it constitutional?” Only after that issue has been settled in the affirmative, should debate begin about the merits of the proposed legislation.
The states and the people have ceded WAY too much power to the federal government. It is time to reverse this trend!
cirrus on August 11, 2009 at 2:22 PM
And, cannot spell.
Johan Klaus on August 11, 2009 at 2:22 PM
Cardin is simple-minded. He’s a Baltimore street thug made good.
As for Tricare Remote- my first experience with it was awful. The big hospital system in the area refused to take tricare so, for a while, the only choice was to use the free clinic in a bad part of town.
highhopes on August 11, 2009 at 2:24 PM
liberal
I know any government run program stinks, but how about getting rid of MEDICAID instead, this spends over twice as much as Medicare and supports illegal aliens and all the deadbeats that don’t want to work. I worked for over 40 years and was Forced to pay into SS and I also pay $100.00 for my Medicare what do Medicaid recipients pay, just asking.
concernedsenior on August 11, 2009 at 2:24 PM
That sucks. When we finally move, we’re switching to the US Family Health plan – we’ve heard good things about it.
Anna on August 11, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Congress is becoming militarized…
Started with a Sergeant at Arms.
Now they have Major disasters and General confusion and, of course, Private health insurance.
I’d like to introduce the lot of them to Corporal punishment.
coldwarrior on August 11, 2009 at 2:32 PM
If Medicare is so good then why does my Mother have to pay $100 for Mdicare and $250 to the Carpenters Union for a Medicare Supplement plan? Huh!? Huh?!
Vince on August 11, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Not to mention all the money my Mom paid in taxes for Medicare when she was working!
Vince on August 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM
The Klan told me I was too well dressed to be racist. I never should have shown up in Martha Stewart floral sheets;)
Laura in Maryland on August 11, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Wait a minute! Didn’t the Democrats pass Pay-As-You-Go in this Congress? What do you mean, Senator, that “how to pay for the bill has not yet been worked out?”
Steve Z on August 11, 2009 at 2:41 PM
But a tool nonetheless!
Fallen Sparrow on August 11, 2009 at 2:41 PM
We know it, he knows it, and he knows there isn’t a damn thing anyone can do about it.
Neo on August 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Can any scholars help me?
How do we reconcile the “general welfare” clause of Article 1, and the 10th amendment, which reverts unmentioned powers to the states?
budorob on August 11, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Remember back in October when we were warning the SoCons that they needed to turn out for McCain because surely a couple of Supreme Court justices would retire in the next term? How do you think Sotomayor would vote if someone asked her if Obamacare was unconstitutional. Elections have consequences. Staying home because a candidate is not conservative enough for you even more so.
Kafir on August 11, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Give the man who came up with the “contracts” clause argument the “Genius of the Day” award–he’s earned it.
It would seem that there is a element in society today whose goal is to demand not just the greatest adherence to a wide range of standards that they have chosen themselves, but to demand that the standards be praised by all as the highest of moral goods, and that civic excommunication be the penalty for the smallest of strayings from those standards.
I’m afraid these modern Inquisitors, Torquemadas of liberalism, are going to find it increasingly hard to claim legitimacy when their own willingness to blithely ignore rules and laws that do not suit their purposes is continually displayed.
Large parts of this entire health care reform would appear to have no basis in the Constitution, are thus extra-legal if enacted by the Congress, and will be tyrannical if enforced by the State upon private persons using the State’s police powers. For if a Congress enacts a law that has no root in a grant of power, a grant of power via the only charter that can grant that power–the Constitution–then it is a illegitmate law and power grab. The law is illegitimate, as is the Congress that does so if it does so too often, as are the Congressmen who continue to demand said law once the lack of granted authority has been granted. If continually making laws not based upon grant of power from the Constiution be not rule of men vice rule of law, then what is?
Horatius on August 11, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Elections have consequences. Staying home because a candidate is not conservative enough for you even more so.
Kafir on August 11, 2009
So, you would prefer the slow train to big government control of your life instead of the Obama Express? Isn’t that like walking into the colliseum and hoping the lions eat you last?
It’s not that McCain wasn’t conservative enough; he wasn’t conservative.
SKYFOX on August 11, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Touché, Ed.
maverick muse on August 11, 2009 at 3:09 PM
I would suggest it’s fairly simple…..it’s used as a justification for delegating the power of fees/duties/and taxes
“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States.” It is NOT actually an enumerated power, merely the justification for generating revenue to pay for them.
I read nothing in that statement that gives congress the power to create laws for the “general welfare”.
The 10th amendment stands.
How does that sound?
Fighton03 on August 11, 2009 at 3:16 PM
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. When was the last time SCOTUS struck down legislation because it was beyond the power delegated by the constitution (as opposed to violation of an individual right)
Fighton03 on August 11, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Medicaid/Medicare Fraud is prolific, and brings in the biggest and safest profit for criminal enterprise.
HR 3200 would augment the fraud exponentially, never having addressed means to eliminate fraud and corruption because the intention is to proliferate the fraud, divert the tax-funds from the delivery of medical services into the bureaucratic administration.
Rate the US Government as if a charity and note well the government is a rip-off. Most tax funds are spent on the top heavy Boards, Administrators, Executives and Panels, but not in public service.
maverick muse on August 11, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Heck, Democrats can cite any article they want. If they can interpret “public use” into public benefit, and find gun control language, they really don’t give a damn what the Constitution says…they’re going to do what they damn well please regardless of what we the sheeple think.
It scares the hell out of me that Obama is still at 50%. What does that say for the collective mentality of the bottom half of our society?
orlandocajun on August 11, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Democrat “pay as you go” means pass the buck.
maverick muse on August 11, 2009 at 3:25 PM
For a donkeycrat the emphasis is on the ‘YOU pay’
Fighton03 on August 11, 2009 at 3:28 PM
It seems like now’s the time. If this POS passes with provisions forcing people into the public option or limiting their ability to negotiate individual contracts it should be attacked immediately as unconstitutional. It would sure help if someone was already threatening lawsuits and calling these guys out.
BTW, has anyone noticed there’s not a single GOP face on the HotAir headlines? The only GOP thread this morning was Cantor’s choke on the “Rebranding”. They should be swinging from their heels and they’re doing next to nothing. What a total bunch of losers.
rcl on August 11, 2009 at 3:33 PM
orlandocajun on August 11, 2009 at 3:23 PM
How can so many yet be clawing to their audacity of hope? They recall the advise of McCain assuring everyone what a wonderful, compassionate family man Obama really is.
Compound that message with all those boobs playing Alinsky games in order to retain their own sense of malicious balance, not willing to face harsh reality, only revisionism. Rather malign every Constitutional means of legitimately removing this Marxist from the Oval Office than be tagged by the Beast as “fishy”.
maverick muse on August 11, 2009 at 3:35 PM
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