Cardin: You know what gov’t does well? Medicare!
posted at 1:36 pm on August 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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It looks as though a bunch of un-Americans are unhappy with Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD) over his support for ObamaCare. A Towson University crowd repeatedly jeered Cardin for his answers to challenges on the health-care reform bill, with anger rising after Cardin admitted that funding for ObamaCare hadn’t yet been established. When Cardin held Medicare out as an example of how government made anything cheaper and more efficient, he nuked the fridge:
Cardin said how to pay for the bill has not yet been worked out, a comment that prompted even more derision from the audience. Some shouted, “Taxes!” and others shouted, “Spend, Ben, spend!”
At one point, four police officers strolled down the two aisles of the auditorium at Towson University and stood in front of the stage.
Cardin defended the health bills, saying they would provide more choice, and that there would be more people, not fewer, with insurance.
One questioner asked for an example of anything the government had taken over and provided cheaper. Cardin cited the national parks system and Medicare.
That drew more boos and jeers.
Cardin said Medicare is cheaper than private insurance for the elderly, adding, “your government runs it more effectively.”
Medicare? Say, isn’t that the system that threatens to drown the US in debt for the next century? Isn’t that the system that does such a poor job of compensating providers that many of them will no longer take new patients under its coverage? That’s the program that Obama will cut by $500 billion over the next ten years to help fund health-care reform … right?
It might be hard to top that knee-slapper, but Cardin gives it his best shot. At about the 48-minute mark of the C-SPAN video of the event, a constituent asks Cardin this question:
Q: Would you please specify which article and section of the United States Constitution gives the Congress the right to forcibly interfere with my right to contract for my own health care and that of my family? Please cite the constitutional article.
CARDIN: Article I. Article I.
I assume that Cardin means Article I, Section 8 – The Powers of Congress, even though it says no such thing. For the record, this is the entirety of that portion of the Constitution:
Section 8 – Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
The argument offered by statists for these kinds of schemes falls on two portions of the section: “provide … for the general welfare” and interstate commerce. However, neither gives Congress the right to interfere with lawful and free contracts between individuals, and since health care is not illegal, such contracts would be lawful. “General welfare” refers to the nation as a whole, not individuals within it. The men who wrote the document would have been horrified to learn that people interpreted that as a lever through which Congress claimed the power to mandate a standard of living for each individual citizen; the entire thrust of the document argues in opposition to that, and puts the citizen above the government as a means to check its power. (As an aside, I find it hilarious that the very people who cannot find an individual right to bear arms in the portion of this document which focuses solely on individual rights somehow finds an individual application in “general welfare.”)
The interstate commerce clause has been misinterpreted for decades in favor of greater federal power, but even those misreadings never granted DC the power to block contracts for legal goods and services at the consumer level. It regulates the commerce between the states, ie, one state bargaining with another, and states bargaining with Indian tribes, in order to avoid the kind of conflicts that had doomed the previous Articles of Confederation. While Congress does have the power to block insurers from crossing state lines to sell policies — a very stupid policy, but one that falls under Article I, Section 8 — it does not have the constitutional authority to dictate the terms of the policies sold within the states.
Cardin obviously couldn’t give the right answer, which is that Congress has no authority for that kind of action. I’m sure he knows it, but he can’t admit it. The audience certainly knew it, however.
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If I have said once I will say it a million times……LET THEM KEEP TALKING BECAUSE IT IS ONLY DOWNHILL FROM HERE!
xler8bmw on August 11, 2009 at 3:36 PM
There was a case in the last few years, but details escape me. I for one am not as keen as others on the Supreme Court, mainly because I think the emphasis in Con Law madrassas has become too much on the hadith of Supreme Court rulings and not enough on the qur’an of the Constitution itself. (Conversely, one could say synagogue, Talmud, and Torah).
I have awarded myself bonus points for multiculturalism.
Horatius on August 11, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Fighton03 on August 11, 2009 at 3:28 PM
How will tax increases pan out?
Those earning less than a fortune of millions a year, taxes go up. Those earning more don’t pay taxes: Geithner.
That worn out explanation making the rounds excusing the highest salaried CEOs from tax increases ignores their salaried disproportionate growth this past decade at the expense of corporate investor dividends.
Obama’s economic mandates require our income to subsidize non-producing Gore Cash Cows, purely windfall income and profits to line green socialist pockets, accomplishing the draining of America.
maverick muse on August 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Horatius on August 11, 2009 at 3:41 PM
good point
maverick muse on August 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM
The Americans could usefully consider making recitation of Article 1 Section 8 a requirement for voting. I’m half joking, but only half joking.
Kralizec on August 11, 2009 at 4:03 PM
I’m not sure were tracking here. My response was implying that “some else” pays for them. The “You” part was a parody of leftist redistribution.
But it is interesting that you bring up dividends. Since they are double taxed, most investors don’t actually want dividends. the logic is why pay pay corporate income taxes on the profit, instead spend the money inside the company to create capital gains in stock price. Current tax law is actually a dis-incentive to stockholders staying long in a company and caring about it’s fiscal state.
Fighton03 on August 11, 2009 at 4:13 PM
May just be the best thing I’ve read for awhile……
search4truth on August 11, 2009 at 4:21 PM
If your definition of success is a fraud riddled, ever growing entitlement program, then yes it’s a success.
DFCtomm on August 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Well, medicare is also supplemented by all sorts of private plans as well. And they pay for medicare with a tax, at least part of the costs for it comes from a tax. and the people on medicare still have to pay for things, the system is not like medicaid, it does not pay for everything.
Terrye on August 11, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Ed. Can you say more about that? Why would Congress have that power? If the limit of the Interstate Commerce Clause is between States (i.e., the governing bodies thereof), then why would they have power over what are essentially individual entities (i.e., corporations designed to sell items to consumers)? That transaction is not at the state level. It seems like the States themselves, as long as they consistently enforce their licensing policies would be the highest level of government power in this situation.
Am I missing a distinction about corporations in general, or about insurance providers in particular?
nukemhill on August 11, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Cardin is another who needs to join the ranks of the unemployed.
GarandFan on August 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM
The line for lawyers to prepare for the court cases challenging this crap sandwich, if passed, forms over there.
Mallard T. Drake on August 11, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Me, neither…
[PSA: Ain't No Log Kabin Klavern in the Klan.] :-)
coldwarrior on August 11, 2009 at 8:50 PM
I have a chronic illness that forced me to go on disability and medicare once my cobra ran out My former insurance paid 6000 dollars for one 6 week cycle of IV therapy administered by myself and a home-care worker. Medicare forced me to go to outpatient for the same six weeks of IV therapy to the cost of almost 30,000 dollars a cycle. While I am grateful that Medicare is there, to say it is ran well is laughable.
chrissyann on August 12, 2009 at 1:04 AM
Ed, thank you, this is whayt I have been saying all along!
Let us refer to the AUTHOR of our Constitution, James Madison.
“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress… Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” James Madison
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” James Madison
Plainly, according to Madison, Congress has no authority to enact healthcare legislation and the “General Welfare”, included in the PREAMBLE, has no real power of law but is a general statement.
This would also make Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare unconstitutional and illegal.
As for Article 1, Section 8, Clause 18, Congress has the power ” To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers” included in the prior 17 clauses of Article 1, Section 8.
Good Job again Ed!
nelsonknows on August 12, 2009 at 1:11 AM
Sen Cardin said he was going a Government program Medicare think he will drop his private plan for part “B”? Sure thing
Lynn Haven on August 12, 2009 at 8:45 AM
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