White House to Pelosi: Hey, maybe the protesters aren’t un-American

posted at 7:03 pm on August 10, 2009 by Allahpundit

Normally I’d treat this as another instance of The One coordinating with a lesser Democrat to play good cop/bad cop, much as he did on the campaign trail when he’d have Jesse Jackson Jr or some other lackey do his racial politicking for him while he kept his immaculate hands clean. But my contempt for Pelosi is such that I think she really might be so stupid and renegade as to think calling protesters “un-American” is a winning strategy, with Obama now forced to clean up her mess — especially with some town halls of his own looming this week.

“I think there’s actually a pretty long tradition of people shouting at politicians in America,” White House deputy press secretary Bill Burton told reporters on Air Force One when asked about the comments.

“The President thinks that if people want to come and have a spirited debate about health care, a real vigorous conversation about it, that’s a part of the American tradition and he encourages that, because people do have questions and concerns …And so if people want to come and have their concerns and their questions answered, the President thinks that’s important. Now, if you just want to come to a town hall so that you can disrupt and so that you can scream over another person, he doesn’t think that that’s productive. And as a country, we’ve been able to make progress when people actually talk out what our problems are, not try to shout each other down.”

Hey, Bill: What sort of “spirited debate” and “vigorous conversation” did the demagogue-in-chief have in mind when he said last week that he doesn’t want people who “created the mess” to do a lot of talking anymore? Is that the debate where he tells us again that injecting the federal government deeper into health care will cut costs, or that we’ll be allowed to keep our current insurance and we pretend to ignore the economic reality for private insurers forced to compete with a bottomless government plan?

I’m cautiously optimistic that the Pelosi/Hoyer screech is the last gasp of the Democrats’ demonizing tactics and that things will ease up a bit rhetorically this week. Via RCP, here’s Claire McCaskill already trying to set a new tone. The key Q&A is right up front.


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Naked Emperor News: ‘Obama’s Mother of All Political Lies and the Town Hall Mayhem It Caused’

INC on August 10, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Powerful!

Key West Reader on August 10, 2009 at 7:45 PM

There are no accidents behind the lectern, believe me.

guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Explain Scott McClellan.

Cicero43 on August 10, 2009 at 7:46 PM

LOL…That mutt is smarter than half of this country!

Jeff from WI on August 10, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Racist

guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 7:47 PM

If Obama had handled the health care debate as well as Claire handled that Town Hall, his plan might be in better shape.

I watched the last 20 minutes of Special Report tonight and everyone of the members on the panel thought this had been a good PR week for the Democrats, because the people at the Town Halls had been so out of control..or whatever. And of course they blamed Republicans for not speaking out against it. blah blah blah. I expected it from Mort, but not the other guys.

I am not sure I agree with that. I think that professional politicians and pundits fail to understand that these are regular people and they are pissed off. This is not some master plan.

Terrye on August 10, 2009 at 7:50 PM

He’s saying this for one reason and one reason only. Look at Rasmussen….and remember about when the “Hit them back twice as hard” happened.

Fighton03 on August 10, 2009 at 7:50 PM

conservnut on August 10, 2009 at 7:34 PM

I don’t live in her district but my office is there so I think I’ll drop in and let you know the real story.

HoustonRight on August 10, 2009 at 7:50 PM

TOTUS has been repaired?

myrenovations on August 10, 2009 at 7:12 PM

We can make it better than it was before….better…stronger…faster…

God I’m old :(.

Fighton03 on August 10, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Now if only Nancy could frown, she would be.

Wethal on August 10, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Jade:

You are right. If the press was doing its job, people would not have to track down people and hope they get the real answers and all the answers.

Terrye on August 10, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Terrye on August 10, 2009 at 7:50 PM

I watched it also and had your same reaction. Sometimes they fall into their “out of touch” mode and I think this was one of those times.

sherry on August 10, 2009 at 7:52 PM

I’m cautiously optimistic that the Pelosi/Hoyer screech is the last gasp of the Democrats’ demonizing tactics and that things will ease up a bit rhetorically this week.

Why would you want that? The louder they screech, the harder the resulting fall. Let’m rail. I want the the whole fucking lot of them to self-destruct.

nukemhill on August 10, 2009 at 7:53 PM

I’m cautiously optimistic that the Pelosi/Hoyer screech is the last gasp of the Democrats’ demonizing tactics and that things will ease up a bit rhetorically this week.

Why would you want that? The louder they screech, the harder the resulting fall. Let’m rail. I want the the whole f*cking lot of them to self-destruct.

nukemhill on August 10, 2009 at 7:53 PM

AP I share you’re contemp but not your optimism. Marginalizing the opposition and blaming others is a fascist tactic that will increase as unemployment and economic crises increase. As the leftist violence increases the ignorant Ovoters will beg him to unite us under One Party, One People, One Law.

Reality Check on August 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Nah… He also lectured other countries for pointing the finger at us for not doing more in Honduras. As in, help return the rightful wanna be dictator to power…. A weak attempt to win a few nods from us…
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Kabuki
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RalphyBoy on August 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Now if only Nancy could frown, she would be.

Wethal on August 10, 2009 at 7:52 PM

LMAO!

Key West Reader on August 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Someone should point out to McCaskill that the VA already has that position with poor veterans. Would she be willing to place herself in the VA system and give up her Congressional coverage so as to try out a government run health care system? She didn’t talk about the ‘government option’ which is a minefield… if she is not going to support a ‘government option’ she has to be straightforward about that and stand against it. If not, then the VA question needs to be pressed to her and other Congresscritters.

Its not just Medicaire. For those who have no choices who have served this country and are poor, they only have the VA… and if its good enough for our poor veterans, it is damned good enough for Congress, no?

ajacksonian on August 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM

So we started seeing rumors of the Pelosi/Hoyer op-ed here last night and it took this long for the WH to react or the press to ask the question?

Worst admin evah….

cobrakai99 on August 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM

From Factcheck.org (again):

Pelosi did not actually accuse opponents of being neo-Nazis; that’s just the way Limbaugh and others chose to interpret her phrase, “carrying swastikas and symbols like that.” It is clear from the images in hand that the anti-Obama protesters were the ones accusing others of Nazi-like tendencies. And Pelosi turns out to be right.

WTF?!?!?!?! That’s an objective report on Pelosi’s dementia? That’s not fact checking, that’s…MENDACIOUS.

Andy in Agoura Hills on August 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Since McCaskill stop playing spin doctor for Obama, which she did way too often during the campaign, she’s become someone very easy to like.

DarkKnight3565 on August 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM

I saw this over at Just One Minute:

And from today’s NY Times primer on health care reform:
KEEP IT OR LOSE IT?

Mr. Obama has said repeatedly, as he told the American Medical Association in June: “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”

These assurances reflect an aspiration, but may not be literally true or enforceable.

The legislation does not require insurers or employers to continue offering the health benefits they now provide. The House bill sets detailed standards for “acceptable health care coverage,” which would define “essential benefits” and permissible co-payments. Employers that already offer insurance would have five years to bring their plans into compliance with the new federal standards.

The Senate health committee bill goes somewhat further by offering an “option to retain current insurance coverage.”

The legislation could have significant implications for individuals who have bought coverage on their own. Their policies might be exempted from the new standards, but the coverage might not be viable for long because insurers could not add benefits or enroll additional people in noncompliant policies.
Dallas L. Salisbury, president of the Employee Benefit Research Institute, a private nonpartisan group, said: “The president and Democrats in Congress are saying what they would like. Their promises may not be literally true because your health plan may change, and your doctor may no longer accept your insurance.”

Both Pelosi/Hoyer and the NY Times acknowledge the importance of this point by leading with it. Naturally, the Times could have been bolder in their quest for opposing voices – the Heritage Foundation trumpeted a study by the Lewin Group which estimated that under the House bill 88 million Americans could be transitioned away from their current coverage:
“This flies in the face of the current promises that if you like your health insurance coverage, you will keep it,” said Heritage Vice President Stuart Butler. “If the public plan is implemented as detailed in this House bill, people with private insurance will be moved on a public plan, regardless of what they want, because their employers will make that decision because of the financial incentives in the bill.”

Terrye on August 10, 2009 at 8:00 PM

I don’t live in her district but my office is there so I think I’ll drop in and let you know the real story.

HoustonRight on August 10, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Do you know where the meeting is at?

conservnut on August 10, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Naked Emperor News: ‘Obama’s Mother of All Political Lies and the Town Hall Mayhem It Caused’

INC on August 10, 2009 at 7:30 PM

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So… How’s that Hope Lies and Change Deceit doing moderates?
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RalphyBoy on August 10, 2009 at 8:04 PM

sherry:

I think they do not realize that these people are not thinking so much as they are feeling

Terrye on August 10, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Since McCaskill stop playing spin doctor for Obama, which she did way too often during the campaign, she’s become someone very easy to like.

DarkKnight3565 on August 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM

McCaskill is up for re-election in a state that went for John McCain in 2008 at the HEIGHT of democrat popularity.

Her politeness would not be there except for this.

Norm Coleman tried to go opposite Bush in a similiar way in 2007 and still lost to Al Franken in my state of MN.

McCaskill knows she better tack right but any state Obama couldn’t carry in 2008 will not be carried by any Senator on the left in 2010.

Conan on August 10, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Normally I’d treat this as another instance of The One coordinating with a lesser Democrat to play good cop/bad cop, much as he did on the campaign trail when he’d have Jesse Jackson Jr or some other lackey do his racial politicking for him while he kept his immaculate hands clean. But my contempt for Pelosi is such that I think she really might be so stupid and renegade as to think calling protesters “un-American” is a winning strategy, with Obama now forced to clean up her mess

Nope, I’m going with door number one.

HornetSting on August 10, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Does (D) stand for d!ck?

dunce?

demented?

delusional?

blatantblue on August 10, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Detrimental?

devious?

blatantblue on August 10, 2009 at 7:14 PM

dastardly?

dumb?

dumber?

doofus?

dolt?

dipsh!t?

ladyingray on August 10, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Normally I’d treat this as another instance of The One coordinating with a lesser Democrat to play good cop/bad cop, much as he did on the campaign trail when he’d have Jesse Jackson Jr or some other lackey do his racial politicking for him while he kept his immaculate hands clean.

Calling Americans who are overwhelming exercising free speech and assembly peacefully, un-American and all manner of other vile filth, goes WAY beyond “bad cop”.

But my contempt for Pelosi is such that I think she really might be so stupid and renegade as to think calling protesters “un-American” is a winning strategy,

This makes a little more sense, but I would not say stupid but rather royally entitled, or let’s just face it, she is a psychopath and often can not control herself.

with Obama now forced to clean up her mess — especially with some town halls of his own looming this week.

His hand has apparently been forced hard enough such that he finally has to speak out a little, similar to Iran. You can be pretty sure he does not like it though. Somebody is going to pay.

Luka on August 10, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Does (D) stand for d!ck?
dunce?
demented?
delusional?
blatantblue on August 10, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Detrimental?
devious?
blatantblue on August 10, 2009 at 7:14 PM
dastardly?
dumb?
dumber?
doofus?
dolt?
dipsh!t?
ladyingray on August 10, 2009 at 8:06 PM

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disaster
dickweed
dimwit
dumb-dumb
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RalphyBoy on August 10, 2009 at 8:10 PM

“The President thinks that if people want to come and have a spirited debate about health care, a real vigorous conversation about it, that’s a part of the American tradition and he encourages that”

What a crock. His past words, and lack of words as things were happening, puts the lie to that. He just sees which way the ship is now sailing and now wants to pretend that he was blowing in that direction all along when in fact he was blowing, and having his lackeys blow, in the opposite direction.

Luka on August 10, 2009 at 8:11 PM

“The President thinks that if people want to come and have a spirited debate about health care, a real vigorous conversation about it, that’s a part of the American tradition and he encourages that”

This is like King George III saying that he was for the American Revolution all along.

Luka on August 10, 2009 at 8:13 PM

“The President thinks that if people want to come and have a spirited debate about health care, a real vigorous conversation about it, that’s a part of the American tradition and he encourages that”

In a similar news development, historians have just uncovered new information that shows that Adolf Hitler really liked Jews and wanted to protect them.

Luka on August 10, 2009 at 8:14 PM

So the questioner within her question calls the administration “tyrannical” and Claire McKaskill says “I couldn’t agree more.”

That IS a new tone.

exdeadhead on August 10, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Does (D) stand for d!ck?

dunce?

demented?

delusional?

blatantblue on August 10, 2009 at 7:13 PM

It stands for deceiver and dissembler
All their bloomers and trousers are alight
From what pole or banner
Shall they all dangle in the night?

PercyB on August 10, 2009 at 8:22 PM

I’m cautiously optimistic that the Pelosi/Hoyer screech is the last gasp of the Democrats’ demonizing tactics and that things will ease up a bit rhetorically this week.

God I hope not. More ill informed American’s will catch a clue as to what our elected Democratic leaders really think of us.

Hog Wild on August 10, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it only yesterday that Ogabe and the Dems were utterly triumphant and we were just a dispirited, rag-tag band of bitter-enders?

Damn, that boy works fast.

Did I say boy?

I means Socialist.

guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 8:33 PM

God I hope not. More ill informed American’s will catch a clue as to what our elected Democratic leaders really think of us.

Hog Wild on August 10, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Well, they’ve tried everything they know short of calling us boogers.

guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Do you know where the meeting is at?

conservnut on August 10, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Sorry it took so long:

Tidwell Community Center
9720 Spaulding St. 77016
7:30-9:30

HoustonRight on August 10, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Heh. Man o man, those poll numbers [we haven't seen yet...] must really suck.

This is like watching rats scamper out of flaming trash pile.

CPT. Charles on August 10, 2009 at 8:35 PM

This is like watching rats scamper out of flaming trash pile.

CPT. Charles on August 10, 2009 at 8:35 PM

A gaggle of cornered rats, a gaggle of cornered rats
See how they scamper about, see how they scamper about
They all are running away from the words which projected their very way of life
Captain Charles and his crew cut off their flaming tails with a carving knife
Did you ever see such a thing in your life
As a gaggle of cornered rats?

Cheshire Cat on August 10, 2009 at 8:43 PM

recalibration

Joe Caps on August 10, 2009 at 8:47 PM

This group of miscreants in the WH are the scariest bunch of sociopaths to even come down the pike.

All spawned from the Ezekiel Emmanuel archetype. That dude is one twisted MFer.

Geochelone on August 10, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Be nice Barry, and we’ll all go Communist for you. Just don’t rush us so.

Akzed on August 10, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Well, they’ve tried everything they know short of calling us boogers.

guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Or flicking them AT us.

/sorry if someone already said this

Key West Reader on August 10, 2009 at 8:56 PM

|| Captain Charles and his crew cut off their flaming tails with a carving knife… ||

Cheshire Cat on August 10, 2009 at 8:43 PM

A splendid set of verses to be sure, and I do appreciate the thought, but I prefer using my trusty old Marlin 22LR [with equally old Weaver 6X scope].

Ah, those were the days of my youth.

CPT. Charles on August 10, 2009 at 9:11 PM

HoustonRight on August 10, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Cool, I didn’t know if you had the address or not. Be careful Honcho.

conservnut on August 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM

As I have said all along…….

cobrakai99 on August 10, 2009 at 9:27 PM

with Obama now forced to clean up her mess — especially with some town halls of his own looming this week

Obama’s town halls will be as usually pure Astroturf. Obama will know ahead of time every question and every answer. There wont be a single person in the room that hasn’t been heavily vetted. Every person that ask a question will be an Obama worker, or donor.

Kjeil on August 10, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Every single person on the left, including Blue Dogs, are the enemy.

They can’t be trusted; they can’t be counted on.

They are the enemy, and we need to treat them as such.

madmonkphotog on August 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM

here’s Claire McCaskill already trying to set a new tone

At 231……”main reason we want to to do this INSURANCE reform………..”

So it ain’t so…..healthcare reform is now Insurance reform. Way to keep switching attacks…No thanks to the Mud Stream Media for the catch. I like her platitude about her Cadillac plan vs sticking us with the Yugo. “Everything in my power”….Please. I thought MO was the Show me State? What the heck?

VikingGoneWild on August 10, 2009 at 11:09 PM

Obama had a bad week last week for everyone paying attention. Calling out the union thugs and then having that black conservative attacked by the SEIU in St. Louis was not a stellar moment for him. But now the attention is once again on the much reviled Mrs. Pelosi, who is assured of retaining her seat in the House no matter how outrageously she behaves. She’s the diversion, and since there is just so much outrage each of us can summon up in a given period of time, I think this entire “un-American” op-ed was planned by the White House and carried out with the full knowledge of Pelosi as to the reaction it would provoke.

oldoldbabs on August 10, 2009 at 11:40 PM

My Senator, first-term Senator Claire McCaskill, would sell her grandmother in a lottery if it would further her own cause. She’s “playing nice” here because she knows she’s going to be in the fight of her life in 2012. Her race agains Jim Talent in 2006 was one of the closest in the nation that year.

Here’s a quote from a website called “Who Runs Gov,” written sometime in 2009: McCaskill was an early supporter of Obama during his presidential run, and she emerged as one of the campaign’s most capable surrogates [read "poodle"], fighting for his candidacy in around-the-clock appearances onn the TV news networks. The relentless campaigning did not go unnoticed by Obama, who paid her high praise. “There are very few people who are closer to me, who I have relied on more for counsel or advice,” Obama said in June 2008. “Should I be successful, [Claire McCaskill] will be somebody who has the utmost access to the Obama administration.

labwriter on August 11, 2009 at 12:33 AM

White House to Pelosi, ‘They aren’t un-American, they are inhuman.’

daesleeper on August 11, 2009 at 12:34 AM

Bothways Barry.

the_nile on August 10, 2009 at 7:40 PM

ahhhhh….good ol’lucky Pierre…

Fighton03 on August 11, 2009 at 2:32 AM

Right the first time, AP. Good cop, bad cop

Not that Obama necessarily scripted the original drama, but it is a useful diversion from ‘stupid cop’

On the other hand, it is entirely within the playbook for him to have scripted the entire drama. The reason being Obama’s penchant for proxy games. Use a proxy to sling mud, and come out defending the mud crusted victim in a mild, Christ like portrayal

Very real mobs have been clinging to Obamas shirtails like acorns on a tree since the election. His game is to ‘good cop’ against his alter egos to build the moderate image on radical agendas

Pelosi and Reid have been around a long time, and while they play hardball on the leeches, wimps, profligates, and clones in Congress and in the lobby registry, in general they have mever played this New Bad Guy in Town-hall role against the public.

In a way it is too obvious

Bring out the Leaders with the low poll numbers (despite which they retain full support of Party) to play Cruella Deville. Have both Cruellas declare on tv and in print, signed with a flourish that protesting is ‘un-American’.

While you are at it, dress carefully selected ‘union goons’ in easily identifiable costumes clearly labeled ‘Union Goons’ and let them rough up elderly protesters on camera, just a bit – no broken bones, no head injuries.

Let the stew boil.

Then Good Cop steps in to defend the protestors while making a slight slam at their excesses, yet making no mention of the clearly labeled ‘Union Goon’ squad.

And making not a sound about bring in the Feds to investigate civil rights violations by the ‘Goons’

WWOD – What Would Obama DO if a Town Hall gathering of blacks was roughed up by clearly labeled ‘Right Wing Goons’?

The signed confession of the duel Cruellas does not match the normal Reid/Pelosi M.O.

Let the games continue

Kinda makes me think of the rent-a-mob surrounding the Milosevic bunker. After the surrender, I assume the mob changed clothes and went home

entagor on August 11, 2009 at 4:18 AM

AP, you are very insightful. Are you getting as weary as I of being jerked around

They can’t pull our strings, yet, but they can pull on our love of country until it hurts

entagor on August 11, 2009 at 4:31 AM

I am not sure I agree with that. I think that professional politicians and pundits fail to understand that these are regular people and they are pissed off. This is not some master plan.

Terrye on August 10, 2009

They are certain it’s just a “temper tantrum” and people will cool down by 2010 and vote for the Democrat master race, just like the media tells them to.

SKYFOX on August 11, 2009 at 8:43 AM

I’d like to be “cautiously optimistic” too, that perhaps things will calm down a bit and that our “representatives” at these town hall meetings will actually not just listen to people’s concerns but go back to Washington and say look, these people don’t want this health care package in its current form. We need to go back to square one and find a program that people want. Maybe we’re rushing into this thing, maybe we can come up with a plan that addresses what’s wrong with our current health care system, maybe address tort reform. After all, we represent them, we work for them. Right? Well, one can hope, can’t they?

scalleywag on August 11, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Deputy Press Secretary? Where’s Gibbs? I need my fix of smarmy, giggling executive branch amateur response.

NickelAndDime on August 11, 2009 at 10:34 AM

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