Protester: My family was threatened after I spoke up at Dingell town hall
posted at 5:05 pm on August 10, 2009 by Allahpundit
That’s what you get for being un-American, pal. Someone in the comments to our Headlines item on Pelosi’s and Hoyer’s op-ed this morning suggested it was part of a wink-wink-nudge-nudge scheme by Democrats to legitimize violence against protesters. I won’t go that far — questioning her opponents’ patriotism is actually par for the course for Madam Speaker — but it truly is amazing to think how many “climate of hate” pieces have been written about the right’s rhetorical excesses vis-a-vis the near total pass the left’s gotten over the past week. We’ve had congressmen screeching about “political terrorists,” “brown shirts,” and “rabid animals,” Senators denouncing “un-American” activities, the DNC running ads about “angry mobs,” the president himself telling his opponents to shut up and get out of the way, and the Democratic brain trust now setting up a “war room” to respond to health-care “attacks.” Glenn Beck’s said repeatedly on his show that he supports nonviolent resistance only, but a fat lot of good that’s done him with liberals more interested in the “subtext” of his messaging; pray tell, what “subtext” should we glean from the dehumanizing venom being spit by the Democratic leadership over the past 10 days?
Be happy, I guess, that they’ve finally found a war they can support unequivocally, where for once there’s no need to ponder the “root causes” that alienated the other side.
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Think about it. The guy and his wife are aging, and won’t be around to take care of his special needs son. The anger and fear he feels is pretty understandable.
BadgerHawk on August 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Yep agreed.
MES401067 on August 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM
I didn’t say “all moderates”. I said “some”. We need every ally we can get. If that guy had done a quiet, tearful, from-the-heart statement, he would have won over a lot of those kinds of people.
guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM
I think most thoughtful people understand the current circumstances and the loud reactions to them.
misslizzi on August 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM
That’s great but don’t beat up the people who are on your team. People are different. I, like you, would probably never scream or raise my voice but I can admire other people’s passion. Different strokes for different folks.
Cindy Munford on August 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM
It seems to me that a universal problem exists among the mindset of all those who seek power.
The problem is choice.
Marx. Engels. Lenin. Stalin. Hitler. Goebbels.
The problem is choice.
Hitler tried to snuff it out with fanaticism. Marx tried to explain it away in philosophy. Lenin and Stalin tried to snuff it out with force. All tried. All failed.
Every totalitarian system has tried to eliminate it. Every totalitarian system requires it to be destroyed. Total control is the only option for them. Should one person make a decision otherwise then the so called ‘harmony’ and ‘balance’ is disrupted. The equation is unbalanced. The numbers quickly cease to add up and chaos quickly ensues. Certainly, it can be snuffed out but the fact that the chaos existed, if only for a moment, contributes to the eventual systemic breakdown of the entire system.
There is only one system that allows for the choice of individuals. One system that not only allows for it but thrives because of it. Only one that respects the true dignity of man and the rights of mankind both as a single entity as as a group of individuals.
That is the Republic.
And there is only one thing that sustains and nourishes the Republic. It serves as an anchor and a foundation. Both sword and shield of the republic. Destroying those who would harm it and protecting those that would sustain it.
And that is the law.
Chaz706 on August 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM
It is to me. Maybe, people who are relatively young worry about it less. Or, they don’t understand the full ramifications.
Blake on August 10, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Fine, but the guy doesn’t represent the GOP or the Conservative Movement (as far as I know).
What are we supposed to do?
He’s free to behave how he will.
Upstater85 on August 10, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Anything that effects the law will ultimately effect all of us.
Chaz706 on August 10, 2009 at 5:40 PM
What is the point of being civil at these meetings? The Reps come there, if they come at all, to spew the talking points and lie about what they are doing. They do not want a dialogue or want to answer questions honestly. I have yet to see a clip of any of them honestly answering a question they have been asked.
Until they start telling the truth, every time they give their rehearsed responses every one of these Reps should be shouted down. It is way past time for civility with these clowns!
Sporty1946 on August 10, 2009 at 5:40 PM
I also found this article interesting
http://www.reason.com/news/show/135152.html
Upstater85 on August 10, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Guntot isn’t a Lib. I agree with him about 83.4% of the time.
Snickerdoodle or Oatmeal Raisin?
portlandon on August 10, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Wow, a protester who spoke well of the police who removed him.
This isn’t your run of the mill left-wing nut job protest.
RobertInLexington on August 10, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Ummmm, no.
If you read the book, General James Matoon Scott was quite a bit to the right, way way out there on the far right, but acted like the once-famous self-serving Wesley Clark, duplicitous, lying, back-stabbing and all the rest.
But, I do get your point.
coldwarrior on August 10, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Why does it have to be “or” ?
lorien1973 on August 10, 2009 at 5:42 PM
I don’t believe this crap – at all and this guy represents no one as far as I am concerned – he’s a hot head and a liar.
I want to see a police report, where’s the link to these alleged threats he received??
AprilOrit on August 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Of course he is. And we’re free to behave in a more dignified, persuasive manner.
He could have rolled his son up to the lectern and said, in a quiet, heart-felt way that his son suffers from a condition and it’s his understanding that healthcare reform could mean his son won’t receive the quality of care he needs. And ask for Dingell’s assurance that he won’t support a bill that neglects his son and millions like him.
Instead, he decided to yell and scream.
Yeah, he got airtime. But I’m not persuaded that his kind of airtime is what we need.
guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM
First of all … what the hell is a moderate? Is that someone who lacks balls?
Secondly, I have no idea who is turned off by real emotion, sincerity and passion. For decades all we’ve seen is the vicious vitriol of the left and now we’re seeing the silent majority finally, finally saying they’ve had enough.
People are impressed. People are hopeful. We need more of tha same.
darwin on August 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Is this un-american?
Wonder if the Speaker will comment
CWforFreedom on August 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Has anybody read factcheck.org about these so-called “death panels”? BTW, for a long-time, I’ve always thought that this Annenberg website is left-leaning (not leftist). Anyway, they (the author) completely debunks these “death panels”. Yeah, the doctor won’t counsel you into suicide, blah, blah, blah. And in fact, if you read section 1233, its true. However, what the author doesn’t give you is context about ALL of the government-run healthcare bill.
The bill establishes a Health Care Advisory Committee that will “recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced,and premium plans.” And here’s who will participate on the committee: The membership of the Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall at least reflect providers, consumer representatives, employers, labor, health insurance issuers, experts in healthcare financing and delivery, experts in racial and ethnic disparities, experts in care for those with disabilities, representatives of relevant governmental agencies, and at least one practicing physician or other health professional and an expert on children’s health and shall represent a balance among various sectors of the health care system so that no single sector unduly influences the recommendations of such Committee.” And note this: In developing such recommendations, the Committee shall take into account innovation in health care and consider how such standards could reduce health disparities.”
Yeah, their are no “death panels”, but there are government bureaucrats defining what care is appropriate. The commissioner of the HCA (Health Choices Administration) gets to determine which health insurance policies meet Federal QHBP (Qualified Health Benefits Plan) requirements whether in the Exchange or outside the Exchange.
You cannot read this and tell me that certain care will not be rationed, or not covered. Any intellectually honest person cannot state that the elderly WILL NOT be counselled BASED on the allowable treatments, that it is better to end their life sooner.
The cost of this program is prohibitive. The coverage is inadequate. And morally it is wrong. Note that if an insurance company denied benefits, its possible to take the matter to court. With government-run healthcare, one cannot sue the Federal government (unless of course the govt. allows it).
In short, Factcheck.org lies.
Andy in Agoura Hills on August 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Will you shut up if I send you a police report?
HornetSting on August 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM
The Democrats finally have a War they can support, especially now that they’ve declared the WOT over. Now they can give their full support and energy to the war they’ve been drooling for over a century now, the WOA – the War on America.
Cue General Sherman – “War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say let’s give them all they want.”
harry flashman on August 10, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Perhaps.
In the end, it might have little effect.
We’ll see.
At least we aren’t paying him.
Upstater85 on August 10, 2009 at 5:44 PM
We forget that these are real people, they are not politicians. They are not thinking about how it looks or sounds or will play to a larger crowd.
They are mad, and they are not going to roll over. So they shout.
But you know what? If they had not shouted this bill would have been passed by now.
In fact, even some folks who do not like the yelling might well end up thinking that if only Obama had not started all this crap none of this would be happening. Some orator/uniter/communicator he is.
Terrye on August 10, 2009 at 5:44 PM
This guy reminds me of the crazies who thought you could get AIDS by giving blood – back in the mid 80s.
He’s is nutbag Independent loon with a wild imagination.
AprilOrit on August 10, 2009 at 5:45 PM
But Paul Revere has ridden. I am heading to meet Capt Parker on Lexington Green. Will you come or hide under your bed.
bill30097 on August 10, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Yeah! The peanut gallery has opened everyone! Did you get lost?
Sporty1946 on August 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM
I want to see a police report that this man was threatened at his house during the middle of the night.
I don’t have to shut up, after all aren’t I am American?
AprilOrit on August 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Yes.
And they are 40% of the electorate. They control elections. And they are precisely who the Blue Dogs are worried about.
Think of them as people who don’t like to watch violent movies.
Why alienate them?
guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Bless your heart, have you met some of your fellow citizens?
Cindy Munford on August 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Yes, Congressman Dingle does not look well does he? The citizen was quite composed though.
clorensen on August 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Such a convincing argument.
Use the name calling tactics you deplore.
Upstater85 on August 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Um, be careful – you can get AIDS by giving blood.
Sporty1946 on August 10, 2009 at 5:47 PM
You just made my point, IDIOT. You don’t have to shut up and NEITHER DOES HE!
HornetSting on August 10, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Nice try at trying to stifle my rights though.
AprilOrit on August 10, 2009 at 5:47 PM
They should be scared. My LIB sister-in-law Obama lover is ready to dump Barry over the fact that my nephew’s pre-existing condition might be effected.
My brother & sister in law are perfectly happy with the health insurance they have now.
portlandon on August 10, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Cindy Munford on August 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM
guntotinglibertarian:
I know exactly what you are saying, and you might be right..but when the left was doing its anti war thing and some of it was really offensive and off putting…who did it hurt the most? Bush or the Democrats. I think we know the answer to that one.
Terrye on August 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Of course it does, BO was their attorney at one time.
jbh45 on August 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Okay.
misslizzi on August 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM
I don’t know. Are you? Your grammar is pretty pathetic.
Sporty1946 on August 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Do you have kids? And I’m not looking to start a fight with you. I just think that parents see this differently than non-parents. There is something visceral that parents share. That’s doubled or cubed when the child has extra needs.
How many times has the left used the “FOR THE CHILDREN” argument? SCHIP; total BS bill. But they won the debate by using painting Republicans as anti-children.
It may not be fair, but it works.
angryed on August 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM
I assume you’re perfectly capable of finding yourself … no?
darwin on August 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM
I could be persuaded that you are correct. But this particular guy really got under my skin.
guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 5:49 PM
“I would like to nudge Pelosi… as I am sure quite a few others would.”
Yeah, off a cliff…
Fuzzlenutter on August 10, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Factcheck.org, as I recall from last year’s campaign, is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania.
It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.
Barack Obama was a founding member, chairman, and president of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was also funded by the Annenberg Foundation.
So…if any one of you are still looking to factcheck.org for answers or to establish legitimacy of anything…beware.
Yes, factcheck.org lies…constantly.
coldwarrior on August 10, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Factcheck is garbage. And the lefties are deliberately misrepresenting what is being said. No one is saying that the end of life counseling is a death panel. It is obnoxious and puts undue pressure on people. Also, they like to falsely claim that Palin et al are saying the gov. will euthanize people. Another lie. As you have pointed out it is the rationing of healthcare that is going to kill people.
Blake on August 10, 2009 at 5:50 PM
The fact that a “concerned” union rep contacted this guy (sorry about your son’s condition, friend. Be a shame if he we’re to suddenly get worse, if ya’ know what I mean?) shows he got their attention.
That in itself is good.
Ace ODale on August 10, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Moderate is one of two things
1. A liberal who is ashamed to call himself a liberal.
2. A moron who has no concept of the issues and can’t pick a side so instead of admitting he’s a moron, says he’s undecided, centrist, moderate, swing voter, etc.
angryed on August 10, 2009 at 5:51 PM
There needs to be a Fact Checking FactCheck.org website.
Blake on August 10, 2009 at 5:51 PM
People who have no voice in the MSM, who no voice in their government, who are ignored or called terrible names, can only contain the anger so long. I feel sorry for this man. He feels as if he has the weight of the world on his shoulders. His congressman is an arrogant old man who wants his son to be wheeled in front of a bunch of bureaucrats for end of life counseling. I would be angry too.
d1carter on August 10, 2009 at 5:52 PM
I don’t think it was yelling Lefties who swung public opinion. I think it was a the fact that most Americans didn’t feel that 10,000 Iraqi lives were worth the life of one American soldier.
Once Bush stopped selling the war on the basis of our own national security and started coooing about how we had “freed” the Iraqi people, millions of Americans answered with: “Screw that. Bring them home”.
guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Can Factcheck fact check Factcheck?
darwin on August 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Don’t worry, your right to be an idiot is secure.
venividivici on August 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM
SEIU visits in the middle of the night.
Aging parents and crippled son inside house.
00 Buck and a Mossberg 500.
= SEIU fail.
I don’t know about where he lives, but here the police would understand completely
quax1 on August 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM
You can have one….for being you Ms. Munford. =)
portlandon on August 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Is anyone besides me the least bit curious about the reporter that was arrested at the Carnahan meeting? I guess he can’t talk about what happened since he was charged but I want to hear what a “non-partisan” observer has to say.
Cindy Munford on August 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM
A moderate can also be someone who assumed he never really had to engage as a citizen because adults were in charge. Pretty bad assumption, huh?
clorensen on August 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM
We all get angry. The question is, do we act out?
This guy was road rage.
He had more persusasive options.
guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Lord Have Mercy. Jack Cafferty just said that Pelosi won’t go on the plan because it is crap. It’s the Big One, Elizabeth. I’m coming, Honey.
kingsjester on August 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM
His police report with the Michigan State Police – where is it?
I bet it never happened. Becuase if it did Meghan Kelly, a damn good lawyer and cross examiner – would have expounded on it – further.
She didn’t which proves there was nothing there.
AprilOrit on August 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM
You are too kind.
Cindy Munford on August 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM
That would be Door #2.
thomasaur on August 10, 2009 at 5:55 PM
How can anyone stifle your thoughts on an anonymous blog?
darwin on August 10, 2009 at 5:55 PM
April:
Oh yeah, a real nutbag. So says loony lefty. They call the left loony for a reason you know.
The Democrats think it is okay when they lie, which they do. They think it is okay to threaten people, which they do. They think it is okay to make behind closed door deals with multi billion dollar corporations, which they do. They think it is okay to accuse a sitting president of war crimes, which they have done.
They think it is okay to harass an older man and threaten to kill his family, which they do. They think it is okay to bankrupt America, which they are happily doing. They think it is okay to send in goons to beat up on people, which they do.
They think it is okay to bus people into events and pay them to be there, which they do. They think it is okay to make crap up, which they do. They think it is okay to do a crappy job of selling their own freaking plan and then accuse Americans of being unAmerican for not buying it, which they do.
And then when one old guy with a lot of worry on his mind yells at a career politician, they think it is okay to threaten him and his family, which they do.
Why don’t people like you practice what you preach?
Terrye on August 10, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Rights, not thoughts.
darwin on August 10, 2009 at 5:56 PM
All of the above.
I detest them. But we can’t win without them. Right now, they seem to be swinging in our direction. Let’s not scare them off. Let them see decent, honorable, sympathetic people who look and act like them – and then hear Nancy denounce us.
guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 5:56 PM
People who don’t know simple apostrophe rules might not want to insult another’s intelligence. (Yours is a possessive pronoun and thus does not require an apostrophe.)
Disturb the Universe on August 10, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Yesterday, I had to attend Mass someplace other than my usual parish. I knew when it started with the kumbayaish All Are Welcome processional, I was going to regret not making it to my usual church that morning, but anyway….
The reading was from Paul on anger and how we must not let anger rule us. Fine; I agree with that. However, the priest started his homily by telling us that he had upset some people that morning. They happened to be ‘conservatives’. I don’t know what all he said in the morning, but I would have assumed that he would temper his comments after the discussion that followed the morning Mass, so as not to again offend half of his parish. If he did, I would really like to know what he said, because his homily still torqued me off.
He used conservative talk radio as the example of how much anger is in the country. Said he had heard a talk show host say that the seventh deadly sin was being a liberal. Are you kidding me? That is the best example of anger he could come up with? Our president telling us to sit down and shut up isn’t a little more indicative of anger than what was most likely a tongue in cheek comment (even if it is true)? Really?
I think I need to find his email and link him to this post so he can see just some of the anger from the left. There is so much material from the left he could have chosen, and he chose ‘conservative talk radio’. *sigh*
I just love it when the priest causes me to need to go to confession, as I was feeling some pretty serious anger over his obvious bias and/or ignorance. Stop getting your homily talking points from leftist media!!!! Arghhh!
pannw on August 10, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Ahhh. The victim. You play it well.
HornetSting on August 10, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Seriously? That doesn’t sound like something Cafferty would admit.
BadgerHawk on August 10, 2009 at 5:57 PM
In short, Factcheck.org lies.
Andy in Agoura Hills on August 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM
I posted this already, but this goes along with the Death Panels discussion.
They state Medicare reimbursement fees will go up. This will increase the willingness of doctors to treat Medicare patients. This is a fairly obvious, and valid, conclusion. However, they also want to cut Medicare costs by $500B. Gee, they are cutting costs and increasing utilization at the same time. The obvious question is: How is this possible? Well it isn’t. Some simple high school Algebra I shows why:
Assume the reimbursement rate is $50 per patient and the total amount paid by Medicare is $100,000. This means ($100,000 / $50 =) 2,000 patients are seen.
Assume the reimbursement rate is increased to $60 per patient, then:
In order to see the same 2,000 patients the Medicare budget must be increased to ($60 x 2,000) = $120,000.
If the number of patients seen is increased by 400 (an increase of 20%) then the Medicare budget must be increased to ($60 x 2,400) = $144,000.
However, the situation is the Medicare budbet will be decreased. Assume that the Medicare budget is decreased to $90,000 (10% decrease). This means ($90,000 / $60 =) 1,500 patients are seen. You can’t have it both ways.
Jed_Eckert on August 10, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Do you have a police report that would prove that?
Yoop on August 10, 2009 at 5:58 PM
I think he said his report is with the local police who turned it over to the state police.
Why don’t you try finding it?
darwin on August 10, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Yes….you are an American Idiot. You prove it every time you DO speak up. Please continue.
Patrick S on August 10, 2009 at 5:58 PM
April:
Proves there was nothing there? You do not know what you are talking about. You folks are so lame. A guy gets beat up on camera at an event, and the lefty blogs claim it was an act. Even though it is right there to see…and this man says he called the law about a threat to his life and someone like you who does not even know him immediately calls the man a liar.
What a piece of work you are.
Terrye on August 10, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Yes, what happened to Democrats who preach everyone needs to calm down and at least try to understand the “terrorists’” perspective?
willamettevalley on August 10, 2009 at 5:59 PM
I suspect this guy is thrilled to be having his 15 minutes of fame.
But if I had to choose someone to be center-stage, I’d choose the soft-spoken black conservative who got beaten up in St. Louis.
guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 5:59 PM
BadgerHawk on August 10, 2009 at 5:57 PM
I couldn’t believe it either. He was reading a viewer e-mail that asked why Pelosi won’t go on the Healthcare Plan if she likes it so much. Cafferty said she won’t because she knows it is crap.
kingsjester on August 10, 2009 at 6:00 PM
People who voted for obama aren’t supporting him on healthcare reform. His poll numbers are dropping; if it keeps up, the dems will have a tough time in 2010. So they have to get support from the top democrat leadership by calling out SEIU, writing Op-Ed’s in USA Today, send talking points to ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT. Oh, and the white house PR arm – organizing for america – has written 4 emails in 3 days! Ooooh. Ooooh. and the president of the united states has established a Snitch Central website.
The Democrat majority’s butt is on the line: They have run up TRILLIONS in debt, passed a stimulus that hasn’t provided JOBS, losing on cap&trade, and card check, closing Gitmo is problematic…
Epic Flail = EPIC Fail
oh, and:
Shut us out in 2009 and WE WILL SHUT THEM OUT IN 2010/2012!
TN Mom on August 10, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Exactly.
And the flip flopping amoung these people is suspect at best. All of this craziness over death panels when in reality it is about living wills – that – in fact – all of these people on Fox News pushed in detail during the days of Terri Schiavo.
Back then they were all recommending it, Greta, Meghan Kelly, Alise Weil, O’Reilly and including Neal Cavuto.
But now the otherside suggests it and it’s suddenly not a good idea? And it’s concocted into a wild eyed fear mongering story about death panels??
Bullshit, pure bullshit – partisan dribble.
AprilOrit on August 10, 2009 at 6:01 PM
“Moderate?” As in a “moderate Muslim?” A “moderate” Democrat?
Or “moderate” in the sense of fearful fence-sitters, too timid to get off the fence on either side?
There are no people who are quite so vulgar as the over-refined.
harry flashman on August 10, 2009 at 6:01 PM
C’mon. Scare them off? Obama’s DeathCare is taking care of that. Look, if the crazy vitriolic left doesn’t scare them off we definitely won’t. They’re looking for Balls …
And we got ‘em.
darwin on August 10, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Send him a Mike Malloy transcript.
Blake on August 10, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Whoa! If you’ve lost Cafferty, you’ve lost Mars.
Patrick S on August 10, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Lord Have Mercy. Jack Cafferty just said that Pelosi won’t go on the plan because it is crap. It’s the Big One, Elizabeth. I’m coming, Honey.
kingsjester on August 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Yeah, but probably for the wrong reasons. I guess any port in a storm is better than no port.
Jed_Eckert on August 10, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Who has no health insurance and begging for money outside the meeting…right.
AprilOrit on August 10, 2009 at 6:02 PM
I know I’m going to take a lot of flak for agreeing with you, but the “death panel” thing is stupid.
It’s obvious hyperbole and hyperbole is what the Left does; we needn’t adopt their every despicable tactic.
guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 6:03 PM
I’d choose Professor Thomas Sowell (and not wish any harm to anyone) and his ideas would prevail. But that’s beside the point, I think. Multi-pronged set of folks opposed to the federal government’s take-over of such a personal part of the economy. Cars, guns, energy and now healthcare? Don’t mess with all that!
clorensen on August 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Where on earth did you hear that? He was selling “Don’t Tread on Me” flags.
And is it a sin not to have money?
guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM
I turned you into snitch central as an extremist. They emailed back saying you have an appointment with the newly formed Sex ReAssigment Panel.
darwin on August 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Where do you get your talking points? Robert Gibbs? This man was interviewed and yes, he was unemployed, but he found a great marketing opportunity selling ‘Don’t Tread On Me’ flags outside a townhall meeting. He was beat up for his efforts. Guess he should have signed up on Craig’s list as a union thug instead of trying to make an honest living.
HornetSting on August 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM
How many facts could Factcheck check if Factcheck could check facts?
Andy in Agoura Hills on August 10, 2009 at 6:06 PM
The Democrats are coming! The Democrats are coming!
One by land (white house). Two (Pelosi & Reid) by Sea…
TN Mom on August 10, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Road Rage!! Now I know why his outburst doesn’t bother me. If you look that term up, a child of mine is pictured.
Cindy Munford on August 10, 2009 at 6:06 PM
No we don’t. Moderates are like infants; they’ll crawl to any bright, shiny object in their line of vision.
By definition, they value “moderation” over extremes.
Let the Left be extreme – that’s what pushed the polls in our direction.
guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Disturb the Universe on August 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM
It is stupid and a lie. While the end of life counseling may have undue influence on people, that is not what people are calling the death penals. It’s been explained 50 million times. But the leftoids and the crazies (your new gf) deliberately misrepresent what people are saying and now you do, too.
Blake on August 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM
How many facts could Factcheck check if Factcheck could check facts?
Andy in Agoura Hills on August 10, 2009 at 6:06 PM
not sure how many they could check, but it appears they would check none.
Jed_Eckert on August 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM
penals = panels
Blake on August 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM
It is stupid and a lie. While the end of life counseling may have undue influence on people, that is not what people are calling the death penals. It’s been explained 50 million times. But the leftoids and the crazies (your new gf) deliberately misrepresent what people are saying and now you do, too.
Blake on August 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM
guntotinglibertarian on August 10, 2009 at 6:09 PM
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