Hoyer, Pelosi call protests against ObamaCare “un-American”

posted at 9:30 am on August 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I guess the Democrats have really decided to go nuclear in support of ObamaCare.  In the face of massive protests at townhall meetings as elected officials face their constituents, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer have a new strategy to avoid accountability.  They simply have decided to call protests “un-American.”  No, I’m not kidding, and they did it in print (via Cuffy Meigs):

However, it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue. These tactics have included hanging in effigy one Democratic member of Congress in Maryland and protesters holding a sign displaying a tombstone with the name of another congressman in Texas, where protesters also shouted “Just say no!” drowning out those who wanted to hold a substantive discussion.

These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades.

Health care is complex. It touches every American life. It drives our economy. People must be allowed to learn the facts.

I can’t think of three better reasons to get government out of health care than that it’s “complex,” “it touches every American life,” and “it drives our economy.”  However, it’s now apparently un-American to say that it in public.  Will Pelosi and Hoyer set up a tip line for un-American activities, such as flag@house.gov?  Maybe they’ll just recreate the House Un-American Activities Committee to hold hearings and demand testimony.  After all, that effort had such a glorious history of operating on the same principles Hoyer and Pelosi espouse here, which can be boiled down to “shut up and do what you’re told.”

We know that members of Congress don’t read bills before voting on them.  Now we find out that they don’t read the Constitution before taking the oath of office that demands loyalty to it.  We know that because, in the First Amendment, the Constitution not only protects the right of free speech but also the right to petition government for a “redress of grievances.”  That means that people unhappy with the direction of government have the right — in fact, have a duty — to air their grievances to their elected officials and demand better governance.

There could be nothing more American than appearing at a town hall and confronting elected officials over their wrong-headed policies, especially when those policies accrue more power to the federal government and eliminate freedom of choice for American citizens.  Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer don’t agree.  They apparently believe that their elected positions gives them the right to dictate to the country, and the right to be free of protest and dissent.  In other words, they see themselves as royalty — as if they themselves were the state, and any protest is un-American simply because it opposes their policies.

They’re impugning your patriotism for using the First Amendment.  That tells us everything we need to know about the Democratic majorities in the House and the Senate.  This is a new low in American politics, and both Pelosi and Hoyer are foolish enough to put it in USA Today for all to see it.

Update: The boss notes that Hillary Clinton has slammed Pelosi and Hoyer for questioning the patriotism of dissenting Americans:

“I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

Oh, wait, that was from 2003 … when we had a Republican administration. Now it’s “I’m sick and tired of people who disagree with us, which is why Barack Obama set up Snitch Central at the White House.”


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Yet calling Bush “Hitler” was not un-American.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bush+as+hitler+pictures&FORM=IGRE#

drjohn on August 10, 2009 at 1:26 PM

The leftist elitists like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank,et al, believe that, contrary to what history has amply demonstrated, they can somehow make Socialism/Fascism work.

They also delude themselves that they will not ultimately suffer the fate of their predecessors, such as Ceauşescu and Mussolini.

justltl on August 10, 2009 at 1:28 PM

This is disgusting and they should be tossed out of office for this… Especially considering that a substantial majority of the country opposes Obamacare. So most Americans are now un-American? We listened to 8 years of bogus “conservatives are questioning our patriotism” charges, and now how many slurs have we conservatives actually endured in the past 6 months? Too many to count.

RightWinged on August 10, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Under the enumerated powers, Congress has no authority to mandate or manage health care or insurance.

On page 167 of HR3200 (The Bozocare bill) one finds this:

TITLE IV—AMENDMENTS TO IN6
TERNAL REVENUE CODE OF
7 1986
8 Subtitle A—Shared Responsibility
9 PART 1—INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY
10 SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE
11 HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

The line numbers are theirs, in the PDF. If you do not have “acceptable coverage” they will tax the tar out of you. This is similar to the socialist plan in taxachusettes that is failing so miserably.

In earlier pages there is a section detail coverage supplied by the federal government and a health care oversight panel appointed by the President. (There’s your death panel. Politicians making health care decisions for the peasants…)

I am still wading through this turkey and I have all I can do not to keep vomiting as I read how they plan to control our lives.

The bill does express say that no one here illegally is covered by it. But whose definition of illegal is being used?

So illegals wont have to pay the tax if they are not covered and they will not be. They will continue to swamp ERs from coast to coast, which is one of the principal reasons for the skyrocketing costs of health care.

In short, HR3200 like the porkulus is DESIGNED not to solve its reason for existing in the first place.

dogsoldier on August 10, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Pelosi is just bitter because our current medical system can’t make her look less like a frankenstein version of Micahel Jackson.

bullseye on August 10, 2009 at 1:34 PM

I really can not feel bad for the Democrats… the pushed the “Great Society” through with it’s Medicare largesse and now are boo hooing that very same system is unsustainable. That “health care – health insurance (whatever they’re calling it this week) is a broken system in need of reform. Cry me a fracking river. They blew it then, and want trust that THIS TIME they’ll get it right.
Not going happen Pelosi (you Nazi botox blowhard).

skree on August 10, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Is it me or does the news out of U.S. track remarkably close to the news out of Iran?

UnderstandingisPower on August 10, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Pelosi is just bitter because our current medical system can’t make her look less like a frankenstein version of Micahel Jackson.

bullseye on August 10, 2009 at 1:34 PM

+1

bill30097 on August 10, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Is it me or does the news out of U.S. track remarkably close to the news out of Iran?

UnderstandingisPower on August 10, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Maybe because both countries have Moslem leaders?

bill30097 on August 10, 2009 at 1:36 PM

My God…Pelosi is losing her (to quote a friend) marbles. She obviously was too busy staring at herself in a compact mirror back when her school covered the US Constitution
in a civics class. For God’s sake, even my 14 year old can quote the First Amendment by heart. She’d be laughable if she wasn’t so pathetic. Too much botox?

Don’t Tread on Me!

Annietxgrl on August 10, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Anything that Pelosi or Obama support needs to be defeated.

Nothing these people propose can be trusted. There is nothing to negotiate nor compromise on. Kill the bill or make them force this socialist takeover on us.

elduende on August 10, 2009 at 1:39 PM

DON’TREAD ON ME

Sugarbuzz on August 10, 2009 at 1:43 PM

When Pelosi shouts “Palimino! Palimino!!” from the well of the House…then I will rest easy.

coldwarrior on August 10, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Every time I hear the name Nancy Pelosi, I am reminded it’s time to “drain the swamp” of the subspecies that comprises our current Congress!

Sweet_Thang on August 10, 2009 at 1:47 PM

One of the biggest problems was back in 1969, when America allowed a drunken worm to retain his Senate seat and the morons in Mass. kept voting him in. It was a signal to the DEM SCUMthat they could do anything, including murder, and retain their jobs.

Jeff from WI on August 10, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Hey, don’t put this on America. Blame Mass. which re-elected Kennedy to office in 1970! About the only positive that can be said is that America did tell him “no” when he tried to run for the Presidency.

I also think it is somewhat unfair to say that this sent a message to the rats that they could get away with anything. Few rats had the kind of pull that the Kennedy mafia had in the 1960s. Thankfully that dynasty seems to have passed for the most part with only a smattering of lesser cousins still around. Not to mention the druggie Patrick Kennedy who still is in Congress and Caroline Kennedy who very much wanted but was ignored for Hillary Clinton’s Senate seat.

highhopes on August 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Hey, don’t put this on America. Blame Mass. which re-elected Kennedy to office in 1970! About the only positive that can be said is that America did tell him “no” when he tried to run for the Presidency.

I also think it is somewhat unfair to say that this sent a message to the rats that they could get away with anything. Few rats had the kind of pull that the Kennedy mafia had in the 1960s. Thankfully that dynasty seems to have passed for the most part with only a smattering of lesser cousins still around. Not to mention the druggie Patrick Kennedy who still is in Congress and Caroline Kennedy who very much wanted but was ignored for Hillary Clinton’s Senate seat.

highhopes on August 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Of course I blame Mass. the most, but America could of run him right out of the Senate and DEMANDED an investigation.
It was the loser, “I loved Jack & Bobby” bimbo crowd that kept Ted the killer going.

Jeff from WI on August 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Anyone want to move to Oklahoma to feel more like an American?

VibrioCocci on August 10, 2009 at 10:34 AM

No.

Proud Texan on August 10, 2009 at 1:56 PM

I’ll tell you what is un-American. I live in Waxman’s district. Just called his office for a schedule of all of his meetings while in recess. ONE meeting and only one planned which is VIP only at UCLA and the subject…. Climate stinking change. NOT one other meeting planned for any other reason such as health care, the most important legislation in past 100 years. We are not even being listened to. big surprise.

highninside on August 10, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Hoyer, Pelosi call protests against ObamaCare “un-American”

Can anyone say Joe McCarthy?

Luka on August 10, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Dear Nancy Pelosi,

F#CK YOU!

Love,

America.

BillaryMcBush on August 10, 2009 at 2:14 PM

It is 1968 all over again… Register to vote… Get your friends registered, even as Independents… Start turning these people out in the primary elections… THE TIME IS NOW!!

Khun Joe on August 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Unsurprisingly, Ed Morrissey is intentionally misconstruing what is being said here.

It’s vital to have a debate about important issues.

Gee, I guess that’s why we were told that the time for talk is over and why there was such an incredible rush to get this passed in July (or certainly before the August recess, as was made clear via the President’s deadline)… because it’s vital to have a debate about important issues.

What’s unhealthy here is the people who are trying to drown out the debate.

Sure… and the people who are trying to “drown out” the debates aren’t the ones attempting to creating a chilling effect via an unaccountable White-House-centered “snitch line”, or dispatching SEIU thugs to physically intimidate and assault those who disagree with them.

Nothing unhealthy there… no, let’s be concerned about someone raising their voice or being insistent on actually getting an answer out of a Representative instead of meaningless “spin”. Priorities, don’t ya know.

That doesnt include everyone on the right; it only includes those who are intentionally trying to disrupt town hall meetings so that the facts cant get to the people.

Here’s the interesting thing: What many of those folks are actually doing is precisely what you accuse them of trying to prevent. There are facts out there which many Representatives are offering which are false. They are misinformation. Many of those whom you deride are trying to counter this official misinformation with the truth. They are trying to get the real and accurate facts to the people.

But the official responses aren’t tolerant of that. Instead, we see people with legitimate concerns being locked out of town hall meetings, while at the same events paid SEIU goons are being let in via side doors in order to be able to “pack the hall” with bodies favorable to a given Representative’s position. And when those in opposition to the Representative’s position try to actually engage in debate, we’ve seen the goons do exactly what you claim to decry: they shout down their opposition in order to stop debate. Yet I don’t see you condemning their behavior. I wonder why that is…

There are absolutely reasonable things to debate about health insurance reform. So that’s why it’s good to debate them. For (a portion of) one side to yell and scream to prevent the debate from going forward is troubling. That’s what Hoyer and Pelosi are referring to.

And yet, oddly, we see not a word from them (or you) on those tactics when they are employed by Astroturfed goons brought in which happen to favor Pelosi and Hoyer’s position. We only see accusations of un-American behavior leveled at those who oppose them… not at those who use the same tactics (and far worse, including assault) in support of their position.

It is hypocrisy in the extreme. They are not condemning the behavior itself, they are condemning only in the context of those who oppose them. Those who use thuggish tactics are perfectly fine if they support the official position.

They’re right, and it’s perfectly consistent with what Clinton said in 2003. Debate was good then and it’s good now. In both cases, some folks on the right are trying to prevent debate. That’s the problem.

orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Isn’t it interesting that you (and Pelosi/Hoyer) only mention those on the right that are trying to “prevent debate”. Why turn a blind eye to those on the left who are doing so?

I believe it was “Horatius” who commented earlier to the effect that, for something this important, wouldn’t it be more appropriate to have real debate, as in a controlled and moderated series of publicly-televised events, perhaps along the lines of the Lincoln/Douglas debates?

No one would be “shouted down”, multi-member panels from each “side” would have ample opportunity to get the facts out there, and everyone would be able to get “both sides of the story”, complete with fact-checking.

Why not do something like that, for an issue this important? Why the unseemly rush to get something voted on so very fast? If debate is important, why not do it right?

As I see it, American public opinion has turned away from the proposed legislation precisely because the facts have begun to be heard, and many of those facts are in direct opposition to the claims of those who are proposing or pushing the legislation.

We need look no further than the CBO analyses to see examples of that.

Maintaining civility in public discourse is, of course, a laudable goal. But before trying to remove the splinter of strident and loud oppositional speech from your neighbor’s eye, you should first remove the beam of thuggish assault tactics and Astroturfed audience-stacking from your own.

VekTor on August 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Sarah Palin should get in front of a microphone somewhere and recite, with enthusiasm, Hillary’s “I’m sick and tired” quote word for word, and then smile and walk off…

willamettevalley on August 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM

http://www.lvrj.com/news/52828402.html

Political climate for energy policies cools

la.rt.wngr on August 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM

A few of the townhall protestors have been rude or even illogical, and many more very passionate, but I have yet to see one instance of a townhall video clip where the representative is being “shouted down to PREVENT debate”. On the contrary, the ENTIRE REASON people get so upset is that the representatives are repeating talking points and evading questions, and not spending enough time listening to and addressing their constituents’ concerns.

willamettevalley on August 10, 2009 at 2:23 PM

gun, bullets? check.
billy club,check

anyone want to go acorn-union thug hunting?

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on August 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM

REPORT ALL DISSENT

LegendHasIt on August 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Here is proof positive that the Tea Party movement in Nancy Pelosi’s congressional district in San Francisco is not “Astroturf.”

Read this brilliant column by the Founder of the Bay Area Patriots, then share it with others.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/the_chutzpah_of_the_town_hall.html

wren on August 10, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Sound like any dissenters we know?

The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself. -Archibald MacLeish, poet and librarian (1892-1982)

BuckeyeSam on August 10, 2009 at 2:41 PM

gun, bullets? check.
billy club,check

anyone want to go acorn-union thug hunting?

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on August 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM

sounds like fun

Jeff from WI on August 10, 2009 at 3:12 PM

As irrelevant as she has become, I wonder if this summer ole’ Hillary is glad she is not in the Senate? Geez, you think she would staunchly defend ObamaCare at these Meet the Mob sessions? Nah, she would find a way to throw his sorry butt under the bus.

I am a Proud Mob-type dissenter and card carrying VRWC member.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on August 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM

SCREW congress
to hell with obama and the rest of the democrats

They are all working for the enemies of the USA.

I honestly believe that the democrats are working
For RUSSIA AND CHINA..

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

I told you so
but you liberal morons voted these god damned communists into power

Now i refuse to obey their laws..

No more..

remeber dissent is patriotic..
and man
you are all about to get a ton of dissent..

veteranoutrage on August 10, 2009 at 3:24 PM

gun, bullets? check.
billy club,check

anyone want to go acorn-union thug hunting?

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on August 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Instead of billy club I have a shotgun but count me in.

2 questions:

1. Is there a limit?
2. What is the season?

bill30097 on August 10, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Time to start disrupting the House from the peanut gallery.

Chris_Balsz on August 10, 2009 at 3:39 PM

The hypocrisy of these people is absolutely breath taking.

They screwed this thing up. They could have taken their time, included both parties, had Obama endorse a particular that everyone understood and allowed people the opportunity to be part of the process.

But noooo, they had to come up with a thousand page bill that may or may not be Obama’s plan and demand that everyone just do as their told. They tried to rush it through and that made people angry. They created this situation by being stupid.

Terrye on August 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM

I can’t think of three better reasons to get government out of health care than that it’s “complex,” “it touches every American life,” and “it drives our economy.” However, it’s now apparently un-American to say that it in public.

Ed, surely you realize that this op-ed does not say that criticizing or voicing opposition to the plan is un-American. It says the tactic of drowning out any reasonable debate with disruptive behavior and chants is un-American.

Now, I think calling something un-American is akin to calling someone a Nazi … you always lose. In this case, it’s because people like you can easily distort what was actually said.

This is yet another case where people are just playing dumb for political advantage or just are plain being dumb in not comprehending what was actually said.

Tom_Shipley on August 10, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Der Führer ist die Mobilisierung aller seiner nationalen Sozialistischen Arbeiterpartei (dh, “brownshirts”) zu bedrohen und zu zerschlagen allen Meinungs-und Versammlungsfreiheit der Bürger, die sich gegen seinen Masterplan für den Nationalsozialismus in Amerika.
Or, in English:
The leader is mobilizing all his National Socialist Workers (i.e., “brownshirts”) to threaten and smash any and all freedom of speech and assembly of the people who oppose his master plan for National Socialism in America.

bmac727 on August 10, 2009 at 4:08 PM

gun, bullets? check.
billy club,check

anyone want to go acorn-union thug hunting?

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on August 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM

We must ensure that we are distinguished from the leftist thugs who are resorting to violence. When the images get out (and they will get out with today’s technology and a bit of preparedness on our part… bring your digital camcorders!), let us ensure that we are not the ones engaging in violent behavior.

The middle-of-the-roaders will not be won over with violent tactics. By all means, defend yourself if attacked, but I implore you, do not initiate violence on your own. Make your voices heard, stand your ground, demand the answers we deserve, but do not strike first under any circumstances, no matter how provocative the leftist thugs choose to be.

VekTor on August 10, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Ed, surely you realize that this op-ed does not say that criticizing or voicing opposition to the plan is un-American. It says the tactic of drowning out any reasonable debate with disruptive behavior and chants is un-American.

It also directly mention holding up a sign or a dummy is such “disruptive” behavior.

Silly of Obama and McCain to prepare thousands of people to “disrupt” their conventions. And of course it becomes something “unAmerican” for an incoming President to conspire before and after the fact in the “disruption” of the inaugural–of course you’d agree that ‘disruptive’ is ‘disruptive’ irrespective of the approval/disapproval communicated, right?

Chris_Balsz on August 10, 2009 at 4:32 PM

I’d like ANYONE to show me the article of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to pass healthcare legislation, ANY healthcare legislation.
Nothing in Article 1, Section 8, affords Congress the power to do this, thus national healthcare violates Article 1, Section 8, which would then revert the matter to the 10th Amendment which would cause violation of the 10th Amendment.
Next we come to the several Commerce Clauses of the Constitution. Congress may regulate “INTERSTATE COMMERCE” yet, by Federal Law, health insurance may NOT be purchased outside of your State of residence making this “INTRASTATE COMMERCE” and outside of the jurisdiction of the Commerce Clauses and Congress.
National Healthcare is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, plainly and simply!
When will anyone in Washington stand up and denounce national healthcare for what it is…ILLEGAL.

nelsonknows on August 10, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Chris_Balsz on August 10, 2009 at 4:32 PM

The only thing called “un-American” in the op-ed is the “drowning out of opposing views.”

Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American.

They are not calling dissent un-American. What they are calling un-American is the purposeful disruption of what is supposed to be an exchange of ideas of BOTH sides of the aisle with boorish behavior and angry shouts/chants/etc…

When other, more level-headed people cannot get a word in to ask questions or share their concerns because of this behavior, that’s moving from dissent to, well, angry mobs territory. It really doesn’t help that the people acting this way are incredibly misinformed thanks in largte part to conservative leadership (“keep the government out of my Medicare!”).

Again, I don’t think it smart to call much of anything un-American, and I don’t think it was smart of them to do so here. But let’s not distort what they’re saying.

Tom_Shipley on August 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM

What they are calling un-American is the purposeful disruption of what is supposed to be an exchange of ideas of BOTH sides of the aisle with boorish behavior and angry shouts/chants/etc…

When other, more level-headed people cannot get a word in to ask questions or share their concerns because of this behavior, that’s moving from dissent to, well, angry mobs territory. It really doesn’t help that the people acting this way are incredibly misinformed thanks in largte part to conservative leadership (”keep the government out of my Medicare!”).

Again, I don’t think it smart to call much of anything un-American, and I don’t think it was smart of them to do so here. But let’s not distort what they’re saying.

Tom_Shipley on August 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM

What they are engaging in (and, as far as I can tell, you are too) is the use of selective outrage. To have a shred of credibility in such a condemnation, and to demonstrate even a modicum of intellectual honesty on the subject, one must acknowledge that this is happening from the left at least as much as from the right, and in many respects it is far more manufactured from the left.

Instead, what we see is selective criticism from Pelosi and Hoyer. They fail to acknowledge that HCAN is instructing people from the left to go out and be disruptive, to drown out those who are dissenting against the position that a Representative is taking.

If it’s “un-American” for someone from the right to “drown out” opponents, then it’s at least as “un-American” when those on the left do it.

But we don’t see them (or you) pointing that out. Why not?

VekTor on August 10, 2009 at 5:01 PM

“I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

What does Hillary say about this now?

spudmom on August 10, 2009 at 5:03 PM

An example of what I was discussing in my 5:01 (Via Instapundit):

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/08/seiu_recruits_obamacare_suppor.asp

VekTor on August 10, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Now I have an inking of how the highjacked 9-11 passengers must have felt….

izoneguy on August 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Puck Felosi! That ugly old Hag doesn’t speak for America. Democrats wouldn’t know Patriotism if it whacked em’ up side the head. And if the Republican leadership doesn’t get off their @$$ and start standing-up for us “True Americans”, I’m not going to send them any more money either.

ronnyraygun on August 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM

I’m ready to scream – this morning we’re un-american and now – Socialist is a code word for n-word – this is out of control.

http://speakmymindblog.com/2009/08/10/socialist-n-word/

sherryande on August 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM

“I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

What does Hillary say about this now?

spudmom on August 10, 2009 at 5:03 PM

During the campaign if you disagreed with obama, you were labeled a racist. Didn’t stick, so they’ve changed tatics.

Don’t the Democrats & Obama have better things to do than organize against Americans against healthcare reform; WERE ARE THE JOBS?

We need JOBS NOW. Healthcare reform can wait till next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TN Mom on August 10, 2009 at 5:44 PM

TN Mom on August 10, 2009 at 5:44 PM
There will be no jobs. Obama’s war on prosperity is rolling along. They want serfs to serve them. I won’t be found on that road.

daesleeper on August 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Now, I think calling something un-American is akin to calling someone a Nazi … you always lose.

Tom_Shipley on August 10, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Really? Your side of the aisle called Bush a Nazi for 8 years. What did you “lose”? You control Congress and the White House now.

Del Dolemonte on August 10, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Consider this as you object to the Obama administration:

One of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the great struggle for independence. -Charles A. Beard, historian (1874-1948)

BuckeyeSam on August 10, 2009 at 5:59 PM

What they are calling un-American is the purposeful disruption of what is supposed to be an exchange of ideas of BOTH sides of the aisle with boorish behavior and angry shouts/chants/etc…

Tom_Shipley on August 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM

I seem to recall some very boorish behavior by Democrats during the 9/11 Commission hearings.

Such as when former AG John Ashcroft correctly noted that one of the 9/11 “Commissioners” should in fact be questioned under oath.

He was immediately shouted down by Democrats in the peanut gallery.

Del Dolemonte on August 10, 2009 at 6:01 PM

To have a shred of credibility in such a condemnation, and to demonstrate even a modicum of intellectual honesty on the subject, one must acknowledge that this is happening from the left at least as much as from the right, and in many respects it is far more manufactured from the left.

I don’t recall angry mobs of liberals mobbing townhalls and shouting over anyone who has an opposing view. Sure, there have been MANY protests on the left where they vent their outrage. But those take place outside and generally don’t disrupt public gatherings.

Now, there have been liberal groups or individual who protest inside events (act in an unruly manner), but when that happens they generally are removed without much fanfare (or blogosphere objection) — “don’t taze me bro” dude aside.

There are groups of people going to these things and shouting down anyone with an opposing view. that’s what’s being called un-American, and if anyone on the left has ever tried that, they’ve quickly been removed from the venue.

Tom_Shipley on August 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American.” – Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer

———————-

“I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the waydon’t do a lot of talking”. - Barack Obama

———————–

Looks like Pelosi and Hoyer are guilty of making “fishy” comments about Obama. The White House snitch line must be overloaded.

OxyCon on August 10, 2009 at 6:16 PM

“Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American.” – Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer

———————-

“I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way…don’t do a lot of talking”. – Barack Obama

———————–

Looks like Pelosi and Hoyer are guilty of making “fishy” comments about Obama. The White House snitch line must be overloaded.

OxyCon on August 10, 2009 at 6:16 PM</blockquote

My thoughts exactly +1000

CWforFreedom on August 10, 2009 at 6:18 PM

There are groups of people going to these things and shouting down anyone with an opposing view. that’s what’s being called un-American, and if anyone on the left has ever tried that, they’ve quickly been removed from the venue.

First as somebody else commented, what is happening is Washington elites are getting booed off the stage by their constituents when they give lame answers. That’s what happened to Specter and Dingell. Little old ladies weren’t shouted down for asking questions.

That’s not “unAmerican”. Nor are Pelosi & Co seeking dialogue–unless its Socratic dialogue where we answer loaded questions with monosyllables.

Second, if you read the actual article, Pelosi and Stoyer complain about waving puppets and signs–which shouts down nobody.

Chris_Balsz on August 10, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Tom_Shipley on August 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM

This is all being overstated. Watch the videos . Yes there are some idiots ON BOTH sides of the arguments but in generals questions are asked and NOT REALLY answered.

Let me ask you ..is President Obama un-American for his comment??

“I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way…don’t do a lot of talking”. – Barack Obama

CWforFreedom on August 10, 2009 at 6:20 PM

There is not as much shouting down as is being charged.

Selective they are.

Tools like TomShitley eat it up

CWforFreedom on August 10, 2009 at 6:21 PM

I’m going to say this again. For those places like Waxman’s district where they are not having any kind of public town halls on the health care issue, it would be interesting to hold your own town hall with a challenger to these Congress Critters. Invite everyone. Make it VERY visible… in front of their office would be good if that’s possible. Have speakers, even put up a cardboard cut out of the Congress Critter you would ask if they would show up. Invite the media, though they probably will not come. But get your cameras and post post post on every blog out there.

One of our problems right now is we are letting them frame the issue. They’ve called us terrorists, un-American, violent, the mob, etc. How about we start explaining that they are out-of-tough demagogues who have no intention of listening to those who voted them in, and if they won’t, we will find someone who will. Stop accepting the frame they are wanting to put us in. Let’s construct one of our own out of the truth.

UnderstandingisPower on August 10, 2009 at 6:43 PM

First as somebody else commented, what is happening is Washington elites are getting booed off the stage by their constituents when they give lame answers.

Lame answers — otherwise known as lies.

UnderstandingisPower on August 10, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Only Nixon can go to China and only Pelosi could bring back HUAC.

“Are you now, or have you ever been, a health care dissenter? I remind you, you’re under oath.”

Noel on August 10, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Another idea if you have time and know-how (or a blog). Start a list of “un-responsive” Congress Critters. Who has decided NOT to have a townhall or has gone to telephone only to avoid those voices they can’t drown out. If everyone linked to it, we could quickly get a picture of the Dems vs. Repubs on this issue.

UnderstandingisPower on August 10, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Nice quotation:

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919)

I hope Obama personally fails.

BuckeyeSam on August 10, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Just got some breaking news.

The guy who beat up Ken Gladney in St. Louis….

well, THIS is who he was.

ted c on August 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Lame answers — otherwise known as lies.

UnderstandingisPower on August 10, 2009 at 6:45 PM

The only respionse to someone who tells the public option isn’t a trojan horse for single payer is to get angry.

What else do you do…let it go?????

What the democrats are not acknowledging is they have crossed the line past opinion to stating absurdities as fact.

To give a different scenario it is like a guy laying in bed with another woman telling his wife in the doorway he isn’t have sex with this woman.

There isn’t any other reaction than to scream at arrogant SOB that you are not a moron and to stop it!!!!

That is the inevitable reaction not continue with a point counterpoint discussion!

Conan on August 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM

There are groups of people going to these things and shouting down anyone with an opposing view. that’s what’s being called un-American, and if anyone on the left has ever tried that, they’ve quickly been removed from the venue.

Tom_Shipley on August 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM

I’ve seen videos of “people going to these things and shouting down anyone with an opposing view”, and those people have been wearing SEIU T-shirts, and they’ve been shouting down people who are trying to ask substantive oppositional questions of their representatives, and when the questioner tries to continue, they start chanting in order to “drown out” the questioner.

Apparently, in your world, such a thing has never happened from the left’s brigade without them being “quickly removed from the venue”.

If you saw video showing what I described above, would you change your mind and retract your statement (and position)?

Somehow I doubt it.

VekTor on August 10, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Pelosi is imploding before our eyes. So sweet of Steny to hold her hand on her way down.

Christien on August 10, 2009 at 7:34 PM

dogsoldier on August 10, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Simple explanation DOG.
After the Dems with some help from McCain and Miss Lindsay Graham pass their Amnesty bill there will be no illegals and all will be covered. They Know they must do this first then pass amnesty. The light would be too bright, the public too mad if they tried it the other way.

dhunter on August 10, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Just got some breaking news.

The guy who beat up Ken Gladney in St. Louis….

well, THIS is who he was.

ted c on August 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Pinnochio should have them to the Whitehouse for fried chicken and watermellon and explain to Mr. Gladney the error of his ways in going off the Dem plantation.

No Different than having the cop in for a beer? What made Pinnochio assume a Red neck, obviously racist cop would drink beer and not say scotch or iced tea?
RACIST!

dhunter on August 10, 2009 at 7:50 PM

anyone want to go acorn-union thug hunting?

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on August 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Might I suggest a blowgun? Much quieter, field-expedient to build, and not nearly as easy for ballistics testing to get you. (if you wear gloves)

Good for nailing @#%! garden-wrecking rabbits, noisy crows…as well as other targets. Bike spokes work pretty well, BTW.

Dark-Star on August 10, 2009 at 8:50 PM

This is sorta off topic, but in our little burg in Tejas, we’ve got a town hall meeting in the a.m. and we’re bringing up term limits (to our good R representative. He’s against it) but we’ll try to convince him to bring it up – demons being in the majority it will of course fail, but they will be on record…heh…

thebookkeeper on August 10, 2009 at 8:59 PM

demons

thebookkeeper on August 10, 2009 at 8:59 PM

More code. RACIST!!!!!

sarc

CWforFreedom on August 10, 2009 at 9:03 PM

But let’s not distort what they’re saying.

Tom_Shipley on August 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM

No, but our side isn’t really trying to close down the discussion. That would be the exclusive province of the Democratic leadership and the Obama administration.

If we could get an appropriate debate going, and a chance to have our ideas heard, and our proposals and ammendments evaluated on their merits, we would not have to make ourselves heard.

Whatever comes of this, Mr. Shipley, be sure; the extremists on your side brought this on.

“Don’t start nuthin – won’t be nuthin!”

massrighty on August 10, 2009 at 9:06 PM

a part of me wants to email flag@house.gov and report various democrats for their falsehoods on obamacare

captainmeta4 on August 10, 2009 at 9:18 PM

but i’m sure its been done already

captainmeta4 on August 10, 2009 at 9:19 PM

but i’m sure its been done already

captainmeta4 on August 10, 2009 at 9:19 PM

Earlier today, I heard they had some server overload issues; folks flooding them with fishy-ness and mis-information references, with attached video of various dems lying about health care.

Don’t have a real citation – does anyone else know if this happened?

massrighty on August 10, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Page-By-Page Of Bill Gov Palin Is Correct: ObamaCare Is TRULY EVIL

http://governorpalin4president.blogspot.com/2009/08/page-by-page-governor-palin-is-correct.html

izoneguy on August 10, 2009 at 9:44 PM

I hope Obama personally fails.

BuckeyeSam on August 10, 2009 at 7:02 PM

I support the President, but not his mission.

P.S. By “his mission,” I mean his policies, proposals, goals, methods, etc.

P.P.S. I suppose there are some aspects of his mission I can support. Specifically, getting his daughters a dog, and I have no strong objection to him eating his waffle.

malclave on August 10, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Stifling dissent is un-American. Lying to the American people is un-American. Pelosi and Hoyer are guilty of doing both. So, we must fight back harder and louder without letup until HR 3200 is dead and when a stake is driven through its heart.

BottomLine5 on August 10, 2009 at 10:02 PM

I like Hillary Clinton. Voted for her in the primary. But that video is too funny. Ouch! Get some rest girlfriend! I think you all should make the audio your ring tone for the rest of the summer.

Roz on August 10, 2009 at 10:21 PM

And let’s not forget the HCAN Playbook For Thwarting Town Hall Protesters:

Bring more people than the other side has…You must bring
enough people to drown them out and to cover all our bases
so as to marginalize their disruptive tactics. [...]

We should demonstrate that we are the majority by
chanting: When the other side gets too loud, we should
shut them down with chants that counter their message…

Interrupt them when they get disruptive and refocus the
meeting. Line up a number of people who feel comfortable
interrupting…

Assign people to greet the media and to stay close
to reporters both as they enter and leave the event.
It is important that you take away right-wingers
opportunities to talk to reporters by making sure
that your staff or leaders are in constant contact
with the media who attend.

Paul_in_NJ on August 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Pelosi, who led efforts to withdraw from Iraq before troops had finished the job, tolerated anti-war hecklers on several occasions.

“It’s always exciting,” she said of protesters who interrupted a meeting in January 2006, according to an account in the San Francisco Chronicle. “This is democracy in action. I’m energized by it, frankly.”

At an event in June 2007, she told anti-war protesters “just go for it, I respect your enthusiasm,” according to another account.
(foxnews.com)

TN Mom on August 10, 2009 at 10:32 PM

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