Hoyer, Pelosi call protests against ObamaCare “un-American”

posted at 9:30 am on August 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I guess the Democrats have really decided to go nuclear in support of ObamaCare.  In the face of massive protests at townhall meetings as elected officials face their constituents, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer have a new strategy to avoid accountability.  They simply have decided to call protests “un-American.”  No, I’m not kidding, and they did it in print (via Cuffy Meigs):

However, it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue. These tactics have included hanging in effigy one Democratic member of Congress in Maryland and protesters holding a sign displaying a tombstone with the name of another congressman in Texas, where protesters also shouted “Just say no!” drowning out those who wanted to hold a substantive discussion.

These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades.

Health care is complex. It touches every American life. It drives our economy. People must be allowed to learn the facts.

I can’t think of three better reasons to get government out of health care than that it’s “complex,” “it touches every American life,” and “it drives our economy.”  However, it’s now apparently un-American to say that it in public.  Will Pelosi and Hoyer set up a tip line for un-American activities, such as flag@house.gov?  Maybe they’ll just recreate the House Un-American Activities Committee to hold hearings and demand testimony.  After all, that effort had such a glorious history of operating on the same principles Hoyer and Pelosi espouse here, which can be boiled down to “shut up and do what you’re told.”

We know that members of Congress don’t read bills before voting on them.  Now we find out that they don’t read the Constitution before taking the oath of office that demands loyalty to it.  We know that because, in the First Amendment, the Constitution not only protects the right of free speech but also the right to petition government for a “redress of grievances.”  That means that people unhappy with the direction of government have the right — in fact, have a duty — to air their grievances to their elected officials and demand better governance.

There could be nothing more American than appearing at a town hall and confronting elected officials over their wrong-headed policies, especially when those policies accrue more power to the federal government and eliminate freedom of choice for American citizens.  Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer don’t agree.  They apparently believe that their elected positions gives them the right to dictate to the country, and the right to be free of protest and dissent.  In other words, they see themselves as royalty — as if they themselves were the state, and any protest is un-American simply because it opposes their policies.

They’re impugning your patriotism for using the First Amendment.  That tells us everything we need to know about the Democratic majorities in the House and the Senate.  This is a new low in American politics, and both Pelosi and Hoyer are foolish enough to put it in USA Today for all to see it.

Update: The boss notes that Hillary Clinton has slammed Pelosi and Hoyer for questioning the patriotism of dissenting Americans:

“I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

Oh, wait, that was from 2003 … when we had a Republican administration. Now it’s “I’m sick and tired of people who disagree with us, which is why Barack Obama set up Snitch Central at the White House.”


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Everyone go to CNN.com and vote in the poll on the front page!!!

Townhall protests of Health Care are:

a. Being orchestrated by lobbyists

b. Ordinary citizens expressing their opinions

Funny, I dont rercall CNN reporting or even mentioning SEIU, ACORN, and other known union thugs who are known for a fact to cause a rucuss and do the bidding of people like Obama. THAT is organized.

Right now it is at 55% to 45%. Clearly thousands of liberals and uninformed CNN viewers are voting the wrong way. This poll is rediculus. It isnt matter of opinion if this is grassroots or not. Its a fact that it is. CNN is pathetic.

bucsox79 on August 10, 2009 at 10:49 AM

http://www.cuial.com/nazipelosi.jpg

izoneguy on August 10, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Congress will be back in Washington D.C. after Labor Day….keep up the good work “Mobsters”. ( :

yoda on August 10, 2009 at 10:51 AM

O/T Sort of

Boortz is going to talk to Rep. David Scott on the radio in a few minutes. He’s one of the folks from Congress who has had a melt down. Could be fun.

Cindy Munford on August 10, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Rep Scott really showed his a$$ to that Republican Democrat insurance company plant Doctor that was bused in there to shout him down from his own district.

ted c on August 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Remember – Barry and the Obamabots wanted to shove the government takeover of health care through Congress without any debate or opportunity for the public to be involved.

corona on August 10, 2009 at 10:03 AM

It’s on the brink….

izoneguy on August 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Earning the hatred of the incompetent and corrupt Pelosi and Reid is a sign of patriotism.

The only thing remotely American about either of them is they each probably ate American cheese once then yelled at their butler for not serving them fromage.

NoDonkey on August 10, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Seriously – are Pelosi, Reid, and Obama TRYING to start a war? Fishoutofwater on August 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Yes they are. They want violence so that a national emergency can be declared… jmarcure on August 10, 2009 at 9:58 AM
At this point I think this is just to incite violence. They WANT the protesters to get violent. That’s the only logical conclusion. Ampersand on August 10, 2009 at 10:11 AM

I think that’s exactly right, which is why we need to remain cool, calm and collected… scalleywag on August 10, 2009 at 10:13 AM

This is why we are walking a very thin line. If their intention is to incite violence in order to declare some sort of “national emergency” then it’s a pretty desperate and dangerous gamble on their part – but I don’t put it past them.

Publicly ridiculing, demonizing, and belittling the vocal and passionate opponents of their Socialist legislative schemes, and then sending the SEIU/ACORN thug militias out to disrupt the otherwise lawful, peaceful protests – publicly baiting and violently assaulting the protesters – is about as incendiary as anything I can think of. I just cannot shake my hunch that this is a calculated, intentional effort to set the USA on fire “just to watch it burn”. I also cannot shake my hunch that Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al – really are this evil, and this stupid.

Fishoutofwater on August 10, 2009 at 10:53 AM

As some others have noted, I can only assume that the Democrats are attempting to incite violence.

Politicians have almost always been about doing what is necessary to remain in power. That includes changing their opinions based on surveys and what the people want.

But here, you have top ranking politicians not only not listening to their constituents, but they are actually ESCALATING the situation.

Things are starting to get out of hand and instead of our government trying to calm things down they are turning the temperature up!

I’m not a history major, but I can only think of two times when the government worked to CREATE a similar atmosphere – the build-up to the Revolutionary War and the build-up to the Civil War.

Of course, back then at least the government had the SUPPORT of the people and wasn’t working against them.

If the Dems don’t back down (and they show no interest in doing so), this WILL turn violent.

We are quite possibly seeing the seeds sown of an armed insurrection against our own government.

I hope and pray that I’m wrong.

But I’m not seeing our President trying to calm down the situation.

Religious_Zealot on August 10, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Dear Republicans,

As the years 2010 and 2012 approach, I sincerely hope the American public wakes up and overwhelmingly elects Republicans to Congress, the Senate, and the White House.

However, I IMPLORE you to take a lesson from the foolishness of the Democrat party and do not repeat said foolishness. The Democrats are thin-skinned liars that are leading the country past the point of no return. Republicans, please follow through on your promises. Please listen to your constituents. Don’t abuse your authority. Remember that without us, you’re nothing.

To sum it up, please always be better and smarter than the Liberals.

Rizzo on August 10, 2009 at 10:54 AM

O/T Sort of

Boortz is going to talk to Rep. David Scott on the radio in a few minutes. He’s one of the folks from Congress who has had a melt down. Could be fun.

Cindy Munford on August 10, 2009 at 10:48 AM

This I’d like to see.

I watched the video of Scott and he completely lost it when he was questioned, accusing the guy asking him the question of being a plant and for not having the courage to set up a meeting to talk with him directly about health care.

The questioner turned out to be a doctor living within Scott’s district who had repeatedly tried to set a meeting with his office, only to be ignored.

teke184 on August 10, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Let them keep talking the more they feed the fire the better we are going to organize!

xler8bmw on August 10, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Everyone go to CNN.com and vote in the poll on the front page!!!

bucsox79 on August 10, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Astroturfer!

Grafted on August 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM

bucsox79 on August 10, 2009 at 10:49 AM

I truly believe that much of the agnst and thuggery coming from the Democrats is fear. It is a grassroots movement that is spreading like wildfire and they cannot stop it. They find themselves staked to the wrong side of a position where the public is decidedly up in arms.

highhopes on August 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM

The media keeps telling me that Obama is meeting with people in healthcare (doctor’s groups, insurance reps, pharmaceutical reps, etc.) and that they are ON BOARD. If they are so happy with the bill and supporting it, then why would they be sending “plants” into the town hall meetings. Supposedly everyone from Wal-Mart to the AMA loves this plan. Truth or fiction?

texabama on August 10, 2009 at 10:59 AM

flag@whitehouse.gov — now THAT is American.

After the war, this will just be one more piece of evidence at Pelosi’s trial. It’d be fitting if we brought back the guillotine just for Marie Antoinette the Second.

noblejones on August 10, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Dissent from the views of our new administration in Washington is suddenly unfashionable and derided as “un-American” or “un-patriotic, but dissent has been necessary and integral to our country’s founding, history, and survival. The Founders were those who had the courage to dissent when such was considered treason, a capital offense for which they were willing to pay the ultimate price. Our citizens and non-citizens alike have always enjoyed the rights of free expression and freedom of thought as guaranteed by the First Amendment, composed by the Founders especially to protect political speech.

Some in the media and members of Congress have, of late, carried severe criticism and calls for outright suppression of views which disagree with those expressed by the current administration. However, according to Justice William O. Douglas, “Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us.” Demands that lawful protestors be silenced are ill-advised and unseemly, and constitute a supremely un-American perspective. Regardless of one’s viewpoint, suppression of even one person’s views portends a loss of freedom for all. Congressional Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton, representing the District of Columbia, declares, “The only way to make sure people you agree with can speak is to support the rights of people you don’t agree with.” Therefore, in order to preserve constitutional rights for the majority, the free speech rights of the minority must not be abridged, but embraced.

Criticism of our government, and indeed our President, is a long-standing tradition, a freedom which sets us apart from those nations which brook no such behavior from its citizens. Any administration necessarily subjects itself to the disfavor of those with whom it disagrees. Even President John F. Kennedy understood the exigency of disagreement by claiming, “Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed — and no republic can survive.” Dissent is as necessary to our survival and prosperity as free elections. It is a right guaranteed to all. Regardless of political sympathies, I urge writers to compete intelligently and vigorously in the marketplace of ideas, rather than to devolve into childish name calling, hyperbole, or histrionics.

(Please note that I have quoted only prominent Democrats since I don’t hear any Republicans calling protestors Nazis, terrorists, or un-American extremists.)

College Prof on August 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Well, that’s actually a bit liberating. Why don’t we all go ahead and call spades spades?

What Pelosi, Hoyer, Reid, Obama, their closer conspirators and their political supporters have envisioned for the denizens of this country is, pointedly and explicitly, un-American. It repudiates virtually every principle on which this nation was founded. Indeed, the United States Constitution in almost its entirety–particularly the Bill of Rights–is nothing but an impediment to the implementation of their Statist ambitions. They seek nothing less than the cultural, fiscal, and philosophical destruction of the United States of America and its most fundamental ideals. If it was within their political means, I fully expect that they–following in the footsteps of virtually all collectivist oligarchs who’ve preceded them in the world–would gladly order the murders of both their politcal opponents and those citizens who oppose them. They are enemies of the United States and all for which it stands; not merely traitors, but monsters.

Blacklake on August 10, 2009 at 11:05 AM

You want to know what is truly “un-American”?

I is when people like Pelosi, Hoyer, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, Durbin, Reid, Dingell, Rangel, Boxer, and Obama are allowed to drive this country into the ground in the name of their personal agendas and pursuits of power!

It is when a news media that once was committed to reporting the news instead of manipulating it allows itself to become the propagandist mouthpieces for the liberal left, and shames the very name of ethical journalism.

It is when thug organizations like SEUI and ACORN are allowed and even protected by some within the government to threaten and intimidate honest people who are only concerned for the potential loss of their freedoms and liberties.

This is what is “un-American”, Ms Pelosi and Mr. Hoyer and it is people like you who have become the living embodiment of it!

We who stand for our rights and freedoms are Americans!

You are anything but!

pilamaye on August 10, 2009 at 11:08 AM

What a dumb post. Many Democrats (including Pelosi) have said stupid and shameful things regarding the protesters; there is no need to misrepresent what they said here and make it sound horrible.

They are specifically talking about *drowning out* debate. If you think they are lying about the drowning out that they are referring to, or are using this as a proxy to criticize legitimate dissent, then say so.

Instead, you say that they “have decided to call protests “un-American,”” that “the Constitution not only protects the right of free speech but also the right to petition government,” that “They apparently believe that their elected positions gives them… the right to be free of protest and dissent,” that “any protest is un-American simply because it opposes their policies,” and that “They’re impugning your patriotism for using the First Amendment.”

This is hyperbole, and it’s also completely mischaracterizing what they wrote. They are specifically talking about efforts to drown out debate. They are not talking about the mere expression of dissent. You have already covered in other posts how they are painting normal dissent as something uglier, and if you want to repeat that here, fine. But don’t pretend that they are actually *talking* about regular dissent here.

tneloms on August 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Shut up?

daesleeper on August 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

highhopes on August 10, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Did not know that. Thanks :]

The sentiment stands, though, as far as I’m concerned.

bluelightbrigade on August 10, 2009 at 11:13 AM

opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves

Too bad the Dems spend all their time whining about their opponents and robotically repeating campaign-slogan talking points about healthcare reform. They aren’t afraid of facts, they just don’t have any.

KS Rex on August 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American.

Uh huh. Over the weekend, I watched videos of an intinerant crew of professionally organized and paid supporters, following Ms. Pelosi around on a paid-for bus, use powerful bullhorns to drown out the people who came out to protest socialized medicine.

This level of mendacity is hard to take. Is everyone copying Obama’s big lie technique now?

Obama: Not only will my health care plan cost nothing; it will save us lots of money. We can’t afford not to pass it.

Pelosi: Those people who showed up uninvited at Democratic events are BOOing! And dressing too nice! They’re INSURANCE COMPANY ASTROTURFERS! And they’re UN-AMERICAN! They’re NAZIS! Let’s get the DNC to round up some temporary labor, put some signs in their hands, and buy the loudest bullhorns we can find.

Obama: Great idea. Hey, SEIU guys, did you hear me say “punch back twice as hard?” Of course I mean that metaphorically, right guys? (wink!)

The whole thing makes me sick.

Splunge on August 10, 2009 at 11:21 AM

As the years 2010 and 2012 approach, I sincerely hope the American public wakes up and overwhelmingly elects Republicans to Congress, the Senate, and the White House.

As much as I’m anti-Pelosi and I dislike Obama, the GOP is hardly any better at representing fiscal conservative thought these days…given how much the lapdogs in the GOP allowed Bush to spend tons o’ cash while he was in office.

The only thing that will really work is a complete flushing of Congress in 2010 — electing real representatives of the people and not the 40%+ of Washington made up of attorneys — and then flushing the White House in 2012.

Real change is not electing more of the same…regardless of the party. Both parties and Washington need a full and complete enema.

Dickie Dunn on August 10, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Will Pelosi and Hoyer set up a tip line for un-American activities, such as flag@house.gov? Maybe they’ll just recreate the House Un-American Activities Committee

We need to label Hoyer’s war room with the “House Un-American Activities Committee. Let’s see how they take to that.

chemman on August 10, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Just received the following email:

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txag92 on August 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM

I’m not a history major, but I can only think of two times when the government worked to CREATE a similar atmosphere – the build-up to the Revolutionary War and the build-up to the Civil War.

Of course, back then at least the government had the SUPPORT of the people and wasn’t working against them.

The run-up to both wars were lead by incompetent leadership from those that governed over us — first by incompetent rule from King George III in Britain, later in the 1850′s run-up to the Civil War by dividing, in many states, neighbor against neighbor over the issue of slavery and state’s rights. Today, it’s merely the either/or mentality of the body politic — you’re either left or right, Republican or Democrat…if you don’t toe the party line you aren’t a true conservative or true liberal…and we elect idiots who hold to the party platform and not to the interests of the people they represent.

Thankfully, most of America does not share the views of Nancy Pelosi or her constituents. Unfortunately for America, many in the DNC leadership think it does.

Dickie Dunn on August 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Loving parents don’t let politicians bankrupt their kids.

beatcanvas on August 10, 2009 at 11:35 AM

If Nancy “I see Nazis” Pelosi possessed a history of exchanging views in the manner she and Steny Hoyer now advocate, I might view their joint appeal favorably. Unfortunately, the entire history of her Speakership has been one of exclusion. She doesn’t want to have a discussion, civil or not. She wants to do what she wants to do and views civil discussion as merely a means to characterize her efforts as an attempt at bipartisanship while she acts in a partisan manner. This is as it always has been.

Let’s face it. Bipartisanship is a football and Pelosi is Lucy. She urges the Charlie Brown’s of the political world, i.e., Republicans, Blue Dogs, now the public, to join in the discussion, to kick the bipartisan football as the only means of reaching concensus, then yanks the football out from under us every damn time.

I no longer want to kick the biparitsan football. I want to kick the ever living you know what out of Lucy!!! If that means that I raise my voice to be heard, then so be it. It’s supposed to be a free country.

I guess disruptive dissent is a purely Leftist privilege. Remember the Republican Convention? I still wish that when the Code Pink matrons attempted to interrupt Senator McCain’s speech, he had expressly acknowledged their attempt at “patriotic” dissent by stating something to the effect, “Oh, I see that Keith Olbermann decided to attend this evening.”

And for the Democrats to abandon their cherished “dissent is American” meme under these circumstances is particularly grating. What’s the difference between 2003 and 2009? In 2003, everything they said in dissent became propoganda for the other side in a life and death struggle in Iraq. Killing American soldiers became even more of an imperative for al Queda in order to feed the anti-war effort over here. Yeah, the Democrats and their “patriotic” dissent got Americans killed. That’s a patriotism al Queda truly appreciated, as did the North Vietnamese before them.

Now, dissent is addressing a domestic matter. The lives involved are our own. Yet, we are un-American because we not only dissent, but do so loudly, boisterously, impolitely. It tells you all you need to know about the world view of the people in charge, and it ain’t pretty. In fact, it’s pretty scary. They want what they want because they want it and cannot conceive of any rational reason not to want it. Therefore, dissent is irrational and justifiably silenced.

Mongo Mere Pawn on August 10, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Last paragraph of their article:

Now — with Americans strongly supporting health insurance reform, with Congress reaching consensus on a plan, and with a president who ran and won on this specific promise of change — America is closer than ever to this century-deferred goal.

3 lies in one sentence.

1. If Americans strongly support this, why is one entire party against it, and a large chunk of the other still holding out?

2. Congress is reaching a consensus? Not hardly. You’re just not even at a consensus among democrats yet.

3. The President won on this specific issue? He’s claimed the same on every issue so far. Which one is it. Polls clearly show people don’t support his stance on this issue so this is a blatant lie.

Are you tired of lying yet Pelosi?

Scrappy on August 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM

“Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American”

How in the hell is having the House, Sentate and Whitehouse now considered an “opposing view”?

Are these people as dumb as they are dishonest?

Scrappy on August 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM

I have one comment to make for these Congress Critters and Senate Scum:

Hanging in effigy = Bad!
Hanging for real = PRICELESS!

dhunter on August 10, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Have these people forgotten that when it is all said and done WE have the final say?

SUGGESTION: Set up recall petition signing booths outside the town halls.

Get the signatures of people who feel their representatives don’t hear them.

kurtzz3 on August 10, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I was at Lloyd Doggett’s infamous grocery store parking lot “townhall” meeting in Austin. People began the “Just say no” chant only after he said he was leaving (40 minutes early, btw)!

Before that he was able to talk and converse with the people around him. (Unfortunately few of us could hear him because he had no sound system.)

It’s just another big fat lie that they are telling about us.

rising21 on August 10, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Haven’t read all the comments, but if you would like to voice your un-American views to the Speaker of the House (who represents ALL of us, not only her constituents), here’s her email:

http://www.speaker.gov/contact

UnderstandingisPower on August 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

OT, but recent information about the wonders of single-payer healthcare to pass along:

Significant numbers of children in the UK are suffering from preventable levels of disability, particularly blindness, and premature death because of poor diagnosis of brain tumours.

A new study by scientists at The University of Nottingham’s Children’s Brain Tumour Research Centre, funded by the Samantha Dickson Brain Tumour Trust, shows that prolonged and slow diagnosis can make long term survivors of childhood brain tumours up to 10 times more likely to suffer disability. 450 children in the UK are diagnosed with a brain tumour every year.

The average time between the onset of symptoms and diagnosis in children in the UK is between two and three months, that’s up to three times longer than the rest of Europe and the USA.

David Walker, Professor of Paediatric Oncology at the Children’s Brain Tumour Research Centre, University of Nottingham, said: “Our study showed that the UK health system is the slowest system for making this diagnosis compared to reports from other countries. It takes more than 13 weeks in the UK to make this diagnosis for half of the patients, whilst in the US and Poland this is achieved within 5 weeks. The research also showed that symptoms increased in number and that disability increased in severity as time passed before diagnosis. This indicates that delays in diagnosis are affecting the severity of disability for the children and young people, which can have life-long consequences. ”

http://communications.nottingham.ac.uk/News/Article/Delays-in-UK-child-brain-tumour-diagnosis.html

pearson on August 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Exit Question: Will ObamaCare be collecting fetal stem cells from the taxpayer funded abortions in the name of science?

faraway on August 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM

txag92 on August 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM

I thought you were kidding. I tried the “RealityCheck” website. Sure enough.

I’m getting to the point nothing should surprise me.

UnderstandingisPower on August 10, 2009 at 11:48 AM

At the same time, aren’t they squaking a little loudly for a bill that they could pass due to their overwhelming majorities in both houses and be signed by the President without any “opposition” voices needed. If it’s such a great deal, why the full-on sales pitch? They are like that vacuum salesman who comes into your home, dumps dirt on your floor and then refuses to leave until he proves his pitiful vacuum cleaner will clean it good as new (which you always have to get your OWN out to finish the job!)

UnderstandingisPower on August 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

If socialized medicine doesn’t pass now, can it ever pass?

This explains all the stops being pulled out

Sekhmet on August 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Unsurprisingly, Ed Morrissey is intentionally misconstruing what is being said here.

It’s vital to have a debate about important issues. What’s unhealthy here is the people who are trying to drown out the debate. That doesnt include everyone on the right; it only includes those who are intentionally trying to disrupt town hall meetings so that the facts cant get to the people.

There are absolutely reasonable things to debate about health insurance reform. So that’s why it’s good to debate them. For (a portion of) one side to yell and scream to prevent the debate from going forward is troubling. That’s what Hoyer and Pelosi are referring to.

They’re right, and it’s perfectly consistent with what Clinton said in 2003. Debate was good then and it’s good now. In both cases, some folks on the right are trying to prevent debate. That’s the problem.

orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Yoo Hoo! Nancy, Steny!! MEET THE FIRST AMENDMENT:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

originalpechanga on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

It’s vital to have a debate about important issues.

orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

You be sure to tell that to Al Gore next time he announces the global warming debate is over and denounces the “deniers.”

Disturb the Universe on August 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Are these people as dumb as they are dishonest?

Scrappy on August 10, 2009

The question is are we as dumb as they are dishonest? Hope not.

SKYFOX on August 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM

I had a thought last night…

If ObamaCare passes, what happens to the medical malpractice “industry” (for wont of a better term)? Can patients still sue doctors who will now be on the federal payroll instead of “private”? If so, who do they sue, the doctor or the government… and you can’t sue the federal government. Will doctors still keep malpractice insurance? After all, if they are not liable for their own actions and care, why would they, and a better question, could they afford to if their payments are cut in half?

What about the lawyers who bring these suits? (Not that I’m worried about lawyers, but if they had half a brain, I think THEY would be worried about them.) Like the woman in Oregon, can she sue if the government doesn’t give her the care she wants? I mean, health care IS a right according to the Dems… And if it’s a right, you should be able to sue if that right is infringed upon, correct? And if you sue, and you win, who pays the tab? The taxpayers?

Nobody is asking these questions.

UnderstandingisPower on August 10, 2009 at 12:02 PM

For (a portion of) one side to yell and scream to prevent the debate from going forward is troubling.

orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

orange, you have never been “troubled” before by violence, effigies, etc.

Why so… troubled

faraway on August 10, 2009 at 12:03 PM

It’s vital to have a debate about important issues. What’s unhealthy here is the people who are trying to drown out the debate. That doesnt include everyone on the right; it only includes those who are intentionally trying to disrupt town hall meetings so that the facts cant get to the people. orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Couple of points.

First, what do you propose townhallers do when the “facts” presented are all lies? (Witness, Carnahan, Sebelius, Specter, etc.)

And when real questioners are shouted down by the Congresscritter? (Witness Scott who screamed at the doctor that he wasn’t even from his district–when he was.)

And when the speaker starts out with “I think we all agree that we need a major overhaul in health care”… I mean what if we DON’T all agree? At the AARP meeting, the participants had a very nice discussion AFTER SHE LEFT. It is these people trying to cram lies down our throats who then get upset when we gag on them.

Stop insulting our intelligence when we’ve read the bill and THEY HAVEN’T!

UnderstandingisPower on August 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

In six short months, Obama & Democrats have taken over Banks, Auto Companies, Student Loans, and now want to controll our health insurance and healthcare.

The medical industry is the nation’s LARGEST EMPLOYER and is 17% of our GDP.

The Democrat leadership is power hungry and clearly wants to reward their Union buddies(SEIU & UAW), at the expense of everyone else (see GM).

The Democrat leadership refuses to sign on their families to a public option.

My right to FREE SPEECH and MY right to redress congress is being question by the Democrat Speaker of the House and Democrat House Majority leader: These Idiots need to purchase a copy of the Constitution!!!!!!!!

TN Mom on August 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Why are there U.S. flags on the stage behind Pelosi & Hoyer?

fogw on August 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM

I just cannot shake my hunch that this is a calculated, intentional effort to set the USA on fire “just to watch it burn”. I also cannot shake my hunch that Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al – really are this evil, and this stupid.
Fishoutofwater on August 10, 2009

I wouldn’t go as far as to say these clowns are intentionally trying to start civil war2, but it could be an unintended consequence of so brazenly attacking American principles of freedom.

Look, this country has moved from our foundations of a free society where government works for the people , not the other way around quite a while ago. Political parties and our leaders completely dictate policy that reduce our personal and state sovreigntry on a regualr basis and when they cannot legislate destructive laws, they use the courts pass laws over our heads and against our will.

The Constitution gives us the right to have a say and speak out (or act out) independently of our government and when we determine that our government is not in line with our founding principles (pursuit of happiness, equal representation, protecting our borders, etc.)We have a right to dissolve that government and create a new one. It is way past time. There is nothing unamerican about that.

Goodeye_Closed on August 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Health care is complex. It touches every American life. It drives our economy.

So let’s pass legislation in a hurry without reading it.

Makes sense.

GarandFan on August 10, 2009 at 12:10 PM

For (a portion of) one side to yell and scream to prevent the debate from going forward is troubling.

orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

“We The People”, the ones who ARE NOT BEING LISTENED TO by their elected “representatives” – have no option left now, but to attend their public appearances and “yell and scream”.

Fishoutofwater on August 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Debate was good then and it’s good now. In both cases, some folks on the right are trying to prevent debate. That’s the problem.

orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

WHAT DEBATE?? Remember that Pelosi wanted to vote on healthcare on July 30th. The only thing that stopped her was the outcry from voters and a few blue dogs. Obama also had imposed a DEADLINE to pass the bill…

TN Mom on August 10, 2009 at 12:13 PM

It’s the DEMS who want to “prevent debate” by ramming this crap through, without reading it, without a floor debate, without time for any sort of public review at all. Who the F%&K is stifling debate here, Orange? HUH?

Fishoutofwater on August 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Why are there U.S. flags on the stage behind Pelosi & Hoyer?

fogw on August 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM

So they can look American while they tell us what is and isn’t American.

Ozprey on August 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM

DUmp AARP

http://www.60plus.org/

izoneguy on August 10, 2009 at 12:15 PM

In six short months, Obama & Democrats have taken over Banks, Auto Companies, Student Loans, and now want to controll our health insurance and healthcare.

The medical industry is the nation’s LARGEST EMPLOYER and is 17% of our GDP.

The Democrat leadership is power hungry and clearly wants to reward their Union buddies(SEIU & UAW), at the expense of everyone else (see GM).

The Democrat leadership refuses to sign on their families to a public option.

My right to FREE SPEECH and MY right to redress congress is being question by the Democrat Speaker of the House and Democrat House Majority leader: These Idiots need to purchase a copy of the Constitution!!!!!!!!

TN Mom on August 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM

It’s a union power grab:

Look at this info from Open Secrets….

These dems have raked in the most cash from union contributions.

Hoyer tops the list with $3,596,358
Edward Kennedy is 2nd with $2,741,591
Pelosi is 3rd with $2,737,550

Unions Lobby to Thwart Health Care Deal Breaker

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009/07/unions-lobby-to-thwart-health.html

Download a list of contributions from labor PACs to all current members of Congress (including to their candidate committees and leadership PACs) since 1989 here:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/LaborPAC_Contribs.xls

If you use this info give credit:
http://www.opensecrets.org/MyOS/credit.php

Just counter Pelosi and Hoyer un-American accusations with these facts. National Health Care is a Union Trojan Horse…..
The unions will use they tax free insurance status as a recruiting tool if National Health Care is set in place.

izoneguy on August 10, 2009 at 12:16 PM

What part of “consent of the governed” do these fools not understand?

coldwarrior on August 10, 2009 at 12:17 PM

What part of “consent of the governed” do these fools not understand?
coldwarrior on August 10, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Evidently these Socialists understand nothing but an unbridled lust for power and the control of all Americans.

kingsjester on August 10, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Oh rush is so tearing into these people today.

It’s a cruel, cruel summer…

ted c on August 10, 2009 at 12:21 PM

From Obama’s training manual:

Our final goal is the destruction of imperialism, the seizure of power, and the creation of socialism.

faraway on August 10, 2009 at 12:22 PM

orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Let’s imagine you are sincere for one minute. What is wrong with tax paying citizens demanding the right to have access to their ‘representatives’ to express their first amendment rights? hmm?

Contrast that to Democrat officials sending memos to the SEIU and Acorn telling them to ‘get in their faces’ and ‘punch back twice as hard’.

You are a useful idiot of the ends justify the means crowd. It would be safe for me to assume that you do not believe in objective truth and therefore there can be no debate with you. You will never be honest. You will never argue your case using logic. You will continue to obfuscate and impugn.

You are an ignoramous.

daesleeper on August 10, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Oh rush is so tearing into these people today.

It’s a cruel, cruel summer…

ted c on August 10, 2009

Did Rush read Liberal Fascism by Goldberg or is he just smarter than most re: history? I think both.

SKYFOX on August 10, 2009 at 12:24 PM

did you read this book–liberal fascism? is it worth buying?

ted c on August 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM

did you read this book–liberal fascism? is it worth buying?

ted c on August 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Hell yes. Loads of information.

darwin on August 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM

izoneguy on August 10, 2009 at 12:16 PM

Thanks for the links! WOW. National healcare reform IS a trojan horse.

Looks like we’ll have to form our own unions to twart their evil unions: How PERFECTLY AMERICAN!!!

TN Mom on August 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Nancy Pelosi is Un-Human.

Parley on August 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM

What’s unhealthy here is the people who are trying to drown out the debate. That doesnt include everyone on the right; it only includes those who are intentionally trying to disrupt town hall meetings so that the facts cant get to the people.

orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Odd, not a word about the SEIU thugs who try to drown out debate with fists. Not a word about the hired thugs of ACORN who get paid to show up at meetings and pack the crowd so legitimate constituents are turned away. Odd not a single affirmation that citizens have a right to confront their elected leaders.

highhopes on August 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM

drowning out those who wanted to hold a substantive discussion.

Oh, so NOW we’re supposed to be having a discussion.

I thought the time for talking was over?

salmonczar on August 10, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Oh, so NOW we’re supposed to be having a discussion.

I thought the time for talking was over?

salmonczar on August 10, 2009 at 12:31 PM

thread winner!!

TN Mom on August 10, 2009 at 12:35 PM

I try not to use alot of profanity, but I hope these m.f’ers
get the sh*t kicked out of them on their next election. To hell with these commies.

la.rt.wngr on August 10, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Anybody else see this?

http://netrightnation.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1251790:the-rise-of-the-obama-police-statean-early-demonstration&catid=1:nrn-blog&Itemid=7

Video showing police intervened repeatedly to stop peaceful discussion from happening on the sidewalk.

I’d like to hear SanFranNan’s defense of that.

justincase on August 10, 2009 at 12:38 PM

“…so that the facts cant get to the people.”

orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

That is what Pelosi and Reid and Obama want most…no facts getting to the people.

And, we, the People, have a Right to address grievances to government, an absolute Right.

And when we are bald-faced lied to by our Representatives and the Obama Administration, damn right we will exercise our absolute Right to do so…demand facts, not platitudes or shrill condemnation.

Orange…just a year or so ago…where did you stand on Code Pink and ACORN thugs getting into infiltrating meetings, from small towns to the chambers of Congress, being disruptive, loud, obnoxious?

Or was it just all about BushHitler? So, therefore, it was all good?

Situational ethics, as taught by over 40 years of NEA-controlled education in America.

coldwarrior on August 10, 2009 at 12:39 PM

So far on the USA Today site, I haven’t found any support for Pelosi and Hoyer.

Here’s my favorite post there so far:

jwc.usa wrote: 10h ago
Representatives, you have all the time and ability to “talk” that this world allows. Radio, television, even right here in USA Today you have a forum–a one-way forum from which you can spew whatever you like (including some of the whoppers you’ve unloaded in this piece)–that the rest of us, your constituents, do not have. This means that when you come home, it ISN’T your time to talk, it’s your time to LISTEN. If you’d bother to do that, you’d hear that your constituents–indeed your BOSSES, since we’re the ones who hire you and you’re supposed to be working for us–DON’T WANT THIS HORSEHOCKEY YOU’RE PEDDLING. If you and your colleagues are being drowned out by the crowds at your own meetings, THAT SHOULD BE TELLING YOU SOMETHING. So how about rather than complain that you aren’t able to speak, you do something novel for a change–you SHUT UP AND LISTEN FOR AWHILE.

powerpro on August 10, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Hey Piglosi,

You will not silence us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofYmhlclqr4&feature=related

Laura in Maryland on August 10, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Unsurprisingly, Ed Morrissey is intentionally misconstruing what is being said here.

It’s vital to have a debate about important issues. What’s unhealthy here is the people who are trying to drown out the debate. That doesnt include everyone on the right; it only includes those who are intentionally trying to disrupt town hall meetings so that the facts cant get to the people.

There are absolutely reasonable things to debate about health insurance reform. So that’s why it’s good to debate them. For (a portion of) one side to yell and scream to prevent the debate from going forward is troubling. That’s what Hoyer and Pelosi are referring to.

They’re right, and it’s perfectly consistent with what Clinton said in 2003. Debate was good then and it’s good now. In both cases, some folks on the right are trying to prevent debate. That’s the problem.

orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

You are a liar and a troll. The people against this Socialist Health Care bill are the ones they are attempting tto shut up. And in St. Louis – beat up.

Crawl back under your rock, lying troll

bill30097 on August 10, 2009 at 12:46 PM

The Republicans needs to get a good Republican to run against Hoyer in 2010. Pelosi may be safe but I am not so sure Hoyer is. His district has a high average income and a long Chesapeake Bay coastline. I bet he has a lot of retired Government employees living in his district. I am sure they would love and trust the Government dictating their health care choices.

jeannie on August 10, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Just came across an interesting quote from LBJ:

You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered. -Lyndon B. Johnson, 36th US president (1908-1973)

Relevant to the current discussion? What do you say, Dems?

BuckeyeSam on August 10, 2009 at 12:48 PM

This is the single most hypocritical thing in the universe right now.

commenter on August 10, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Or was it just all about BushHitler? So, therefore, it was all good?

coldwarrior on August 10, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Who would have thought the days of “BushHitler” would look downright simplistic compared to the true evil that we see in the White House and Congress everyday. I am not exaggerating when I say that I see where our nation is going under this filthy liar rat bastard traitor of a President and his corrupt party in control of Congress and it sickens me.

Those town hall venues are a way for people who think as I do to vent their frustration that Democrats and the filthy liar are destroying this nation but they will not do so without a fight.

highhopes on August 10, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Debate was good then and it’s good now. In both cases, some folks on the right are trying to prevent debate. That’s the problem.

orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Debate Questions:

1. How will the bill be paid for?
2. Why is the congress exempt from a public option?
3. How will the half-TRILLION cut in Medicare effect my grandparents?
4. Why are Unions exempt?
5. Why is the Obama admin. operating a Snitch Central?
6. Why is the obama admin working WITH Special Interest groups: Big Pharma, AARP?
7. Why was health care reform sneeked in the Stimulus bill?
8. Who will decide the BEST TREATMENT for me: my doctor or Washington?
9. Will obamacare bankrupt our nation? TennCare almost bankrupted TN.

TN Mom on August 10, 2009 at 1:03 PM

BuckeyeSam on August 10, 2009 at 12:48 PM

LBJ gave us Medicare. I wonder if he would have called that a properly or improperly administered program and if the benefits outweigh the harm. For that matter how many of the well-meaning but ill-administered programs from that generation are still causing harm to Americans in 2001?

highhopes on August 10, 2009 at 1:05 PM

One of the biggest problems was back in 1969, when America allowed a drunken worm to retain his Senate seat and the morons in Mass. kept voting him in. It was a signal to the DEM SCUMthat they could do anything, including murder, and retain their jobs.

Jeff from WI on August 10, 2009 at 1:06 PM

How UN-American is it to take a socialist (and worse) stance against the free market, capitalism, and democracy while being a sitting congresswoman.

She and her scumbag leftists are stomping all over the constitution daily, and she calls lawful protests and even questions in a town hall that amount to dissent anti-American?

Methinks she needs to back to Hugoland and stay there. America is such a bad evil place with all this inconvenient democracy stuff, I think she’d be much, much happier in Venezuela, or maybe even Iran.

Spiritk9 on August 10, 2009 at 1:06 PM

LBJ gave us Medicare. I wonder if he would have called that a properly or improperly administered program and if the benefits outweigh the harm. For that matter how many of the well-meaning but ill-administered programs from that generation are still causing harm to Americans in 2001?

highhopes on August 10, 2009 at 1:05 PM

That “War On Poverty” was certainly one colossal failure.

Jeff from WI on August 10, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Unsurprisingly, Ed Morrissey is intentionally misconstruing what is being said here.

It’s vital to have a debate about important issues. What’s unhealthy here is the people who are trying to drown out the debate. That doesnt include everyone on the right; it only includes those who are intentionally trying to disrupt town hall meetings so that the facts cant get to the people.

There are absolutely reasonable things to debate about health insurance reform. So that’s why it’s good to debate them. For (a portion of) one side to yell and scream to prevent the debate from going forward is troubling. That’s what Hoyer and Pelosi are referring to.

They’re right, and it’s perfectly consistent with what Clinton said in 2003. Debate was good then and it’s good now. In both cases, some folks on the right are trying to prevent debate. That’s the problem.

orange on August 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Shut up

Sugarbuzz on August 10, 2009 at 1:10 PM

I just tried to call Pelosi’s DC office and they snickered at me, said “No thanks” when I said I wanted to talk to a real-live person and hung up on me.

CALL!

http://tarheelpundit.com/2009/08/10/pelosis-staffers-hung-up-on-me-repeatedly-said-no-thanks-when-i-tried-to-speak-to-them/

citrus on August 10, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I have truly had it with the left’s Orwellian lies and distortions. From their politicians to their media to their supporters that vote them in, they truly believe that their credo of “the ends justify the means” gives them license to say and do virtually anything.
They are a despicable lot.

justltl on August 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Health care is complex. It touches every American life. It drives our economy. People must be allowed to learn the facts.

Apparently they already know the facts. Hence their anger.

tgharris on August 10, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Nancy…

See you next tuesday.

1921 C DRUM on August 10, 2009 at 1:19 PM

http://tarheelpundit.com/2009/08/10/pelosis-staffers-hung-up-on-me-repeatedly-said-no-thanks-when-i-tried-to-speak-to-them/

citrus on August 10, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Piglosi’s Phone – (202) 225-4131

Give ‘em heck. The staffers don’t listen either.

Laura in Maryland on August 10, 2009 at 1:19 PM

BuckeyeSam on August 10, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Good one.

Scrappy on August 10, 2009 at 1:23 PM

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