Barone: Of course Obama wants a single-payer system

posted at 2:56 pm on August 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Michael Barone qualifies himself for Linda Douglass’ ire by holding Barack Obama accountable for his own words, and those of his Congressional allies, in the ObamaCare debate. Michael analyzes a video posted last May by Verum Serum (also posted at Hot Air) in which the origins of the Trojan horse of a public plan get revealed. He concludes that the primary dishonesty in this debate is the attempt by the White House to scrub its record of supporting single payer:

One video is worth a thousand words (or, as in this column, about 730). The video in question, put together by a group called Verum Serum, shows public statements by three advocates of single-payer (government monopoly) health insurance explaining that a health care bill with a “government option” would move America toward a single-payer government health care system. You may not have heard of the first two, Rep. Jan Schakowsky and professor Jacob Hacker. But you have heard of the third, President Barack Obama.

Schakowsky is a left-wing Democrat from the north side of Chicago and adjacent suburbs and, as chief deputy whip, part of the House Democratic leadership. The video shows her speaking to an enthusiastic group last April. She cites an insurance company spokesman as saying, “A public option will put the private insurance industry out of business and lead to single-payer.” The audience cheers. “My single-payer friends,” she goes on, “he was right.” Later she adds, “This is not a principled fight. This is a fight about strategy for getting there, and I believe we will.” …

Speaking of the government option in 2008, he says, “Someone told me this was a Trojan horse for single-payer. Well, it’s not a Trojan horse, right? It’s just right there. I’m telling you. We’re going to get there, over time, slowly, but we’ll move away from reliance on employer-based health insurance as we should, but we’ll do it in a way that we’re not going to frighten people into thinking they’re going to lose their private insurance. …”

And what about Obama?  The video captures Obama supporting single payer as well as a transition to it, much as the Naked Emperor News video did — the one that drew the ire of Douglass in the first place.  Morgen at VS points out that the Obama campaign actually highlighted these passages during the presidential campaign to fight back against arguments that he opposed single-payer health care:

But considering the quote came from a direct (and pro-Obama) source, and that the Obama campaign used it for an official “Fact Check”, it seems reasonable to presume that it’s accurate. After all, it’s entirely consistent with the statements I linked above from other supporters of the President’s plan. And it’s also consistent with what John Edwards had to say about his healthcare plan during the campaign, which was virtually identical to Obama’s plan. However, if the White House would like to refute this, then they should release a full video from the Iowa event.

Also, take note that the point of the “Fact Check” was to refute the claim that Obama “opposes single payer health care”. In other words, it’s sole purpose was to boost Senator Obama’s credibility with PRO single-payer advocates, by repeatedly pointing out that if he was “starting from scratch” he would of course support a single payer system. So in this context, it’s even more apparent why this statement from the Iowa town hall was included.

This is, after all, the delicate (and disingenuous) balancing act that ObamaCare proponents have been conducting for a while now. Trying to maintain the support of liberal single payer advocates by secretly assuring them that the public plan is an incremental, and politically necessary, step towards their ultimate goal. All the while proclaiming to the rest of us that the public plan is only intended to provide more “choice” and “competition” in the marketplace. Uh huh.

Why, it’s almost as if Obama and the Democrats think Americans are idiots who can’t make choices for themselves.


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It’s not like he’s a socialist or anything.

Oh wait.

lorien1973 on August 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM

I just saw Marone on Fox. He skewered the Dems and Dear Leader. It is not unAmerican to be rude or loud when you can’t get your voice heard over the MSM drones.

d1carter on August 10, 2009 at 3:00 PM

KILL the Bill… No negotiations.

phreshone on August 10, 2009 at 3:00 PM

lorien1973 on August 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM

REPORTED!

BadgerHawk on August 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Barak lied….Americans died.

cobrakai99 on August 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Wait until the media reports on this.

/

artist on August 10, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Typical white person.

Bishop on August 10, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Why, it’s almost as if Obama and the Democrats think Americans are idiots who can’t make choices for themselves.

Not idiots, children who need to be protected by the smart enlightened people.

highhopes on August 10, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Barak lied….America died.

cobrakai99 on August 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM

FIFY

gatorboy on August 10, 2009 at 3:02 PM

1. Deny
2. Claim remark is taken out of context
3. Charge accuser with hate speech/racism
4. Blame Bush
5. Blame Nixon

whitetop on August 10, 2009 at 3:02 PM

I think people need to report this website to the White House Ministry of Information Refutation for being fishy… after all, NO ONE is talking about Single-Payer government takeover! HOW DARE Congressman Weiner release this fishy information!

Wait, it says Pelosi pledged it? Er… HOW DARE YOU QUESTION HER! YOU’RE UNAMERICAN!

Enoxo on August 10, 2009 at 3:03 PM

It’s not like he’s a socialist or anything.

Oh wait.

lorien1973 on August 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Socialist with marxist underpinnings.

ICBM on August 10, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Thank God for the internet and YouTube. This stuff would have been buried in the days when the MSM controlled what information was allowed to reach the masses.

rsrobinson on August 10, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Amazing.

The Democraps could have put a feather in their hat by making a simple out-of-the-gate bill like a voucher for a once a year chest x-ray, proc-screen, or pap. NOOOOOOO…they have to try to eat the whole damn cake at once.

Thank God Darwin put all the grabbers in one genetic pool.

Limerick on August 10, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Obama could refer to himself as a Socialist and the msm would deny it.

artist on August 10, 2009 at 3:06 PM

What’s the point of debating people who have no basic grasp of the truth?

To Obama, whatever he says at a particular moment is the “truth”. You can’t hold the guy accountable for what he said 10 minutes ago.

By that logic, he’s a toddler. Why do we have a President who acts like a 2 year old? How did we get here?

NoDonkey on August 10, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Let me be clear about this…uh…Ms. Douglas, tell the peons I did not say that.

kingsjester on August 10, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Let’s stop tip-toeing around the issue and call a spade a spade: Obama is a liar, and his pants are on fire.

The Dem approach to this reminds me of the current ad campaign for some financial institution in which the same adult in three commercials (two girls with ponies; one boy and a truck; and a girl with a bicycle) tries to pull the wool over their eyes citing some bogus technicality in what he said. Obama is every bit as disingenuous as the adult in those commercials. And equally transparent even to children.

BuckeyeSam on August 10, 2009 at 3:09 PM

I just don’t understand why Obama is pushing this thing when people don’t want it. It just doesn’t make sense, to a normal person. I feel like I’m superman’s bizzaro world.

Oil Can on August 10, 2009 at 3:09 PM

bama could refer to himself as a Socialist and the msm would deny it.

artist on August 10, 2009 at 3:06 PM

You’re right

skree on August 10, 2009 at 3:09 PM

I feel like I’m superman’s bizzaro world.

You are!

silenced majority on August 10, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Oil Can on August 10, 2009 at 3:09 PM

The Sonofabiscuit is pushing it because “he won”. Just that simple. Rushmore is his goal. That is the only legacy that will satisfy him. He will show those folks on that mountain just who had the ‘best’ idea!

Limerick on August 10, 2009 at 3:10 PM

This is, after all, the delicate (and disingenuous) balancing act that ObamaCare proponents have been conducting for a while now.

And Nancy, Steney and company stand there wondering why CITIZENS ARE PISSED OFF!

BECAUSE YOU ARE LYING TO US!

GarandFan on August 10, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Obama could refer to himself as a Socialist and the msm would deny it.

artist on August 10, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Deny it? They would probably be orgasmic with delight.

ICBM on August 10, 2009 at 3:12 PM

This ain’t Chicago’s south side, bro. We fight back out here.
We don’t stand up and clap or shuck and jive when someone says “God DAMN America”. We don’t just sit around and take it when the government wants to take over our lives. Get used to it, Barry. Your house of cards is twistin’ in the wind, bro.

SouthernGent on August 10, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Obama could refer to himself as a Socialist and the msm would deny it.

artist on August 10, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Obama could refer to his Muslim beliefs and the MSM would deny itcorrect him.

Disclaimer: I do not think Obama has Muslim beliefs. I think he has no beliefs except in himself.

WashJeff on August 10, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Nein, nein, nein! Stop twisting their words around by playing full, unedited clips taken in context with the subject matter! Un-American terrorist thugs! I’m telling Linda right now…maybe they’ll slip an extra Cash 4 Clunkers voucher or something.

Wyznowski on August 10, 2009 at 3:17 PM

I just don’t understand why Obama is pushing this thing when people don’t want it.

As if a serf like you merits Ogabe’s consideration, HE wants it and that is what matters.

Bishop on August 10, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Deny it? They would probably be orgasmic with delight.

ICBM on August 10, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Privately yes, but publicly they understand the damage it would cause to him.

artist on August 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM

I just don’t understand why Obama is pushing this thing when people don’t want it. It just doesn’t make sense, to a normal person. I feel like I’m superman’s bizzaro world.

Oil Can on August 10, 2009 at 3:09 PM

President Obama is pushing it because he doesn’t care what anyone else wants. He wants it, and by heck he’s going to make sure we get it. He does not care about me, about you, or anyone else. He is the most selfish, shortsighted president this country has had in recent memory. And, yes, I know all about Clinton and Carter!

This man has to be stopped. 2010 and 2012 cannot possibly come soon enough. The last seven months have been torture… I don’t know how we’re all going to survive the next 41.

WesternActor on August 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM

WashJeff on August 10, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Stephanopolous DID just that during the election.

Live on TV.

artist on August 10, 2009 at 3:20 PM

artist on August 10, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Followed by touching Steph-ee’s knee.

WashJeff on August 10, 2009 at 3:24 PM

C’mon, this isn’t about the people, it’s about the stars finally being aligned to enable them to accomplish their vision…communism. Plain and simple. They have the congress, they have the White House and it’s now or never. That’s why we see such desperation. They see it in their grasp and they’re afraid of blowing it forever. It’s going to get much uglier and that’s a scary thing, but their winning would be worse.

califdreamnred on August 10, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Stephanopolous DID just that during the election.

Live on TV.

artist on August 10, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Next bill to be pushed will be for Memory Machines and Internet Scrubbers.

hoosiermama on August 10, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Congratulations, Barack Obama, Linda Douglass and House Democrats. It really takes a lot to the normally-placid Michael Barone ticked off, but you managed to do it.

jon1979 on August 10, 2009 at 3:25 PM

……Liberal Translator to tell us what obama really meant to say in 2003….in 5…4….3….2….1….

HornetSting on August 10, 2009 at 3:27 PM

They think Americans are stupid. Of course, they did elect Obama in the first place and that probably reinforces the opinion among so many Democrats that we are sheeple.

Well, some of us anyway.

Terrye on August 10, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Barone: Of course Obama wants a single-payer system

Must….set up….strawman….at all costs.

crr6 on August 10, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Why, it’s almost as if Obama and the Democrats think Americans are idiots who can’t make choices for themselves.

Well, 52% of the voters apparently are….

funky chicken on August 10, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Barone: Of course Obama wants a single-payer system
Must….set up….strawman….at all costs.

crr6 on August 10, 2009 at 3:28 PM

….Hmmmm, dear leader said it HIMESELF, but I don’t believe it. It’s just that vast mob-like Nazi right wing extremist conspiracy…..
crr6…you’ve outdone your stupidity this time!

HornetSting on August 10, 2009 at 3:32 PM

crr6 on August 10, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Main Entry: straw manFunction: noun
Date: 1886
1 : a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted
2 : a person set up to serve as a cover for a usually questionable transaction
courtesy merriamwebster online
How can Obama’s very own statement be a straw man? Its reality. He actually said it. You maroon.

kingsjester on August 10, 2009 at 3:35 PM

How can Obama’s very own statement be a straw man?

kingsjester on August 10, 2009 at 3:35 PM

The health-care bill on the table calls for a single payer system?

crr6 on August 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM

On Rush today, Ray from Council Bluffs made a great point. If Health care costs are going to bankrupt the country, what sense would it make to allow anyone to keep their current plans if they wish to?

All that would mean is that the current alleged problems would continue along with the public option expense, a huge net increase in all around spending.

It’s irrefutable: private insurance will die instantly, and the public “option” won’t be so optional.

Imagine what will happen to their stock the day this bill is signed by Obooba. The govt-run insurance won’t kick in until 2013, but what will happen to everyone who’s private insurers go belly up in 2010?

Akzed on August 10, 2009 at 3:38 PM

When Granny comes home in a plastic bag, Hurrah! Hurrah!
Obama will give her a hearty high five then, Hurrah! Hurrah!
The Emanuels will cheer, the Kevorkians will shout
The eugenicists they will all turn out
And the old folks will all be dead by Christmas time next year!

Cheshire Cat on August 10, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Must….set up….strawman….at all costs.

crr6 on August 10, 2009 at 3:28 PM

WTF? We got Obama’s own words and you refute his own words. You say he didn’t say that? Are you kidding me? Are you seriously expecting me to believe that Obama didn’t say what he actually said?

What are you going to say next? that Freedom is Slavery?

Pelayo on August 10, 2009 at 3:40 PM

crr6 on August 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM

What employer watching the bottom line will keep a private insurance plan which costs them money when they can cover their people with the public option? This plan will lead to a Single Payor Health Care System.

kingsjester on August 10, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Cheshire Cat on August 10, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Gotta work on your meter.

Akzed on August 10, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Obama is a deceiver, a dissembler
His Mom trousers are alight
From what poll or banner
Shall they dangle in the night?

What infernal serpent
Has lent him his forked tongue?
From what pit of foul deceit
Have all his whoopers and all his hiding sprung?

PercyB on August 10, 2009 at 3:42 PM

It’s not Single Payor. That sounds too benign.
It’s a SINGLE PAYMASTER system.

TheBetterHalf on August 10, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Must….set up….strawman….at all costs.
crr6 on August 10, 2009 at 3:28 PM

This is like Charles Barkley complaining that he was misquoted – in his autobiography.

He misquoted himself!

Akzed on August 10, 2009 at 3:44 PM

uhhhm. Is it too soon to say, “Worst President Ever?!?!”

tom on August 10, 2009 at 3:44 PM

uhhhm. Is it too soon to say, “Worst President Ever?!?!”

tom on August 10, 2009 at 3:44 PM

No…

CCRWM on August 10, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Get ready for the Josef Mengele Jubilee
Hurrah! Hurrah!
We’ll give Dr Obama three times three
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The Doctor of Life and Death degree is ready now
To place upon his Godly brow
And we’ll all feel gay
When Pallbearers carry Grandma and Grandpa to the funeral home

Cheshire Cat on August 10, 2009 at 3:51 PM

uhhhm. Is it too soon to say, “Worst President Ever?!?!” tom on August 10, 2009 at 3:44 PM

I already said it.

Akzed on August 10, 2009 at 3:51 PM

silenced majority on August 10, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Limerick on August 10, 2009 at 3:10 PM
WesternActor on August 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Thanks for the responses. I was really thinking about this subject this weekend. I don’t rememeber when so many joe-six packs were so strongly against a subject. These people are not the normal people that show up to political rallies and meetings. This is something usually.

Most people want to own their health care, it very personable to them. If this pushed I can see Texas and 15 to 25 other states, say OK, but we are not going participate in this plan.

Then this is becomes a lighting bolt or “fire bell in the night”. Revolts and Rebellions are started over smaller issues, which then become major movements. For example the Stamp Tax. Because I sense it’s not just health care, but in a deeper since this debate that is the very definition a beliefs in America.

I sort of believed that in the US, you take care of your own. And this independence sprit allow people to believe in themselves and take control of your future. A by-product of this was the grown in the economy, the can do attitude and I can do better attitude!

I think that’s why this health care plan is strongly rejected. It just doesn’t belong here, it just doesn’t smell right.

Again, I worry that if passed we have major problems as a united country. Something I thought I would never see and a President that for the life of me, can’t see it either. What is going on???

Oil Can on August 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM

all you need to do is continually show video clips of Obama supporting single payer. Just show those clips over and over and people will get madder and madder. You don’t even have to make any other arguments.

Playing those videos over and over again will show that Obama is lying. He’s either lying now or he was lying a couple years ago. . . but he’s lying. Blatantly lying.

ThackerAgency on August 10, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Why, it’s almost as if Obama and the Democrats think Americans are idiots who can’t make choices for themselves.

Bill Maher, spokesman for the Democratic Party says exactly that.

HondaV65 on August 10, 2009 at 4:00 PM

The Obamacrats want a no-choice choice: you can have a government plan or a public plan or a public co-op – it’s ALL THE SAME THING!

redfoxbluestate on August 10, 2009 at 4:05 PM

They’ve been caught lying – and now they are upset because we won’t have a “reasoned” debate with them?

It’s not our fault they got busted lying.

Only an idiot holds a debate with a liar.

HondaV65 on August 10, 2009 at 4:15 PM

I’m 80 pages into the health bill, and it would clearly give the administration all the powers it needs to extinguish the private insurance industry. Explicit powers are broad, and what would otherwise appear to be circumscribed powers always end with “or whatever the commissioner deems to be appropriate”. Regarding the power to set medical loss rates (ratio between medical payouts and total revenue) there is no limit and the guidance is arbitrary and government-determined. The administration gets to decide what “appropriate” means in both their own actions and the behavior of the insurance companies. Require massive coverage and 90% MLR, and 100 million people drop out of private insurance… and for what? Well, I guess it’s just the insurance companies’ chickens coming home to roost.

This bill cannot be allowed to pass.

chriscoolc on August 10, 2009 at 4:17 PM

I can’t believe I get to be the first to say it:

That’s not the single payer advocacy statement that I know

el hombre on August 10, 2009 at 4:38 PM

You can’t compete with the government. They never make it a fair fight. Look at what happens with private schools. If you choose a private school, they make you pay twice for the same education. That’s what they call fair. It’ll be the same with government insurance vs. private insurance. The government–uniquely–has powerful instruments of coercion, and they always get used for the benefit of the bureaucracy.

RBMN on August 10, 2009 at 4:38 PM

the Naked Emperor News video did —

Ziegler and I think maybe Ingraham has had her on their shows. She’s pretty interesting and of course is being target by the left.

Blake on August 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Lie and deny.
Lie and deny.
Lie and deny.
Lie and deny.
Lie and deny.
Lie and deny.

Any questions?

Mojave Mark on August 10, 2009 at 6:06 PM

This is beyond evil.

pussum207 on August 11, 2009 at 12:53 PM