New video from St. Louis town hall beating
posted at 3:56 pm on August 8, 2009 by Patrick Ishmael
The hits just keep on comin’. Literally.
I’ll pass along the details of who the camerawoman was, who her batterer was, and what has happened since when I get them. In the meantime, Jim Hoft and others are covering the protest held in support of Kenneth Gladney outside the SEIU office.
As the image below suggests, you can bet on it: this is not over. Click the photo for more of Josh Schroeder’s Gladney rally photos.
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Actually, I think that’s a pretty succinct description of the great Barack Obama Apology Tour of 2009. “We are sorry we have been so arrogant. We will now shoot ourselves in the foot, weaken ourselves so we won’t be arrogant any more.”
UnderstandingisPower on August 8, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Shades of LBJ? If we have lost Walter Cronkite, we have lost America?
Luka on August 8, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Sigh…You folks need to recognize that not everybody who lived through the ’60s was a hippie, for one thing. People like me, only a few years and in some cases months older than the Boomy Babers, were born during the war. A lot of us never knew our fathers because they didn’t come back from WWII; we didn’t grow up in the suburbs, we weren’t spoiled and privileged.
In the ’60s, we were mostly poor. If we went to college, it was on scholarships and the G.I. Bill, and we usually worked at the same time. Most of the hippies and all of the politicos I knew were the spoiled equivalent of trust-funders, and essentially had nothing to lose. When they got it out of their systems, they had someplace to go back to.
I realize how easy it is to demonize a generation because of what you’ve been taught on television, but I’d hope that anybody who reads blogs like this one has at least begun to suspect that life itself is rarely that simple. The ’60s were mostly fun because I was younger, and it was a whole lot easier being poor then than it is now. On the other hand, the “music” was unspeakable (and unavoidable,) and there were a lot of spoiled brats around. The ones who spouted Leftist bullshit were invariably those who were eager to do away with the things that I wanted to gain. The middle class looks real attractive from the bottom.
Believe me when I tell you that most aware people thought that the politicos were laughable, and harmless. Even though I argued with them and kept them away from my daughter every chance I got, I never would have believed they’d (a) keep at it after their parents rescued them and (b) gain the White House. I’ve been wrong a good bit in my life, but never that wrong.
Please realize that blaming generations is like blaming races: it’s just what the Lefties want. Look around to somebody who was there, and try to listen to each other – it’s our only hope.
Well, I know it’s not too long ago
You were only twenty-one.
But time moves only one way,
And you won’t always be young.
And if you don’t think when you get old
You could be alone and blue,
Let me tell you my friend,
You got some thinking to do.
– Peter Wernick, Hot Rize
warbaby on August 8, 2009 at 7:40 PM
The average liberal socialist thinks that (for some bizarre reason) they will be immune to the lack of personal freedoms, immune to the oppression and taxation, will somehow be the controllers of their destinies.
Won’t happen. Typically, sheep get slaughtered at harvest time, there aren’t any exceptions. These people are, as I’ve said, worse than ignorant, they’re STUPID because they cling to this ignorance, for whatever reason.
Spiritk9 on August 8, 2009 at 7:41 PM
thank you.
Ghoul aid on August 8, 2009 at 7:43 PM
That is outrageous and criminal and Kathleen Sebelius should be fired. She does allow the killing of babies by stabbing them through the head though, so I shouldn’t be surprised.
gina4 on August 8, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Spiritk9 on August 8, 2009 at 7:30 PM
In Tennessee, my handgun permit allows me to keep a rifle or a shotgun in my vehicle as long as there is no round in the chamber. That means I could have son’s Mossberg 500 SPX next to me with five shells in the tube and five more in the stock.
Pelayo on August 8, 2009 at 7:47 PM
How true. 13% of prostate cancers patients int he UK die within five years of treatment. In the US it is 0% and things are even getting better with the DaVinci surgery where you are home the next day.
cadams on August 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM
After drinking a potion of his own and Saul Alensky’s creation, Barack is transformed into the cruel, remorseless, evil Herr Hussein, representing the hidden side of Obama’s dual nature brought to the fore. Barack has many friends and has a pleasing personality, but as Herr Hussein he becomes more and more dictatorial, encourages violence and becomes ever more fascist like as time goes by as Herr Hussein grows in dominance. After taking this potion repetitively, he no longer needs to rely upon it to unleash his inner fascist demons.
Sigmund on August 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Get a Benelli.
Friendly21 on August 8, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Know what you mean. I was on the fringes of the counter-culture of the 60s-70s, but then had to get a job and go to work and found out the reality of the American Dream.
The problem is, those from the Left, the Commie-Scum, did go to college and then stayed in them, producing the likes of The One and those who surround him.
We’re doomed, just like Krushchev told us at the UN.
If our generation is at fault, it’s for not being involved enough in the schools that got watered down for our kids and their kids.
klickink.wordpress.com on August 8, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Clarification
AZfederalist on August 8, 2009 at 7:51 PM
this was asked once, but i don’t see a reply/update. why is Gladney in a wheelchair? How connected? Personal injury lawyers do this all the time…but please, let’s have some real reason
r keller on August 8, 2009 at 7:52 PM
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The few I have talked to about this believe that there is a better day at the end of the rainbow. Even those who have it much better than their parents did. They miss the fact that America and the American way of individual striving and reward has provided the path that they have walked into this present.
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All the great health care that they have access to is going to go down the drain of government bureaucratic meddling. Even a guy who has had 2 successful liver transplants, 15 years of extended life, good productive and very enjoyable life as far as I can tell… is willing to toss all our chips in on this BS from the left.
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He’d be dead if the government made the call 15 years ago. You bet’cha.
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Give me the competition of capitalism over the incompetence of government any day.
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RalphyBoy on August 8, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Oops, UK figure corrected.
cadams on August 8, 2009 at 7:56 PM
The video’s are just rolling in – take a look at these vicious protestors from today. lol
http://speakmymindblog.com/2009/08/08/scary-town-hall-meeting-at-office-of-congressman-harry-mitchell-august-8-2009/
sherryande on August 8, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Hey,Mr. Purple! Even Ronnietheresidenttroll thinks you’re an idiot. Sad,man,just really,really sad.
katy the mean old lady on August 8, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Not for sure which, but I remember reading that he got injured in the leg or ankle during the beating and couldn’t walk afterward. That pic may also have been his exit from the hospital, and it’s most hospitals policy to exit in a wheelchair whether or not you can actually walk.
Spiritk9 on August 8, 2009 at 7:58 PM
RalphyBoy on August 8, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Isn’t that some sweet irony ;o)
sherryande on August 8, 2009 at 7:59 PM
I actually wandered over to Huff & somone wrote the following:
hmmmm, now it might be great if they perused the rest of the Constitution that they just discovered…. (Light bulb moment?—yes the twisty ones….
Ladywolfnl on August 8, 2009 at 8:00 PM
r keller on August 8, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Spiritk9 on August 8, 2009 at 7:58 PM
His shoulder and knee were both bruised as well as a concussion.
sherryande on August 8, 2009 at 8:01 PM
You’re right about the schools, especially about the folks who stayed in them and took over. The most astonishing realizations of my life came from knowing women who were 10 or more years younger than me, and hearing the kind of confusion they had about concepts like up and down.
My daughter, who was the greatest kid going, was taken from me at 5 years old when her mother left. She’s soon to be 44, beautiful and the greatest natural singer I’ve ever known. She’s never tried being married, is absolutely consumed with anger, and buys the Leftie line down to the commas.
warbaby on August 8, 2009 at 8:05 PM
I was at both events. The SEIU thugs knocked Gladney to the asphalt about 20 feet in front of me. I didn’t seet the punch, but I saw him on the ground, I saw someone kick him, and I saw him get up. He looked OK, but frankly he was probably in shock. He was hospitalized overnight. He had some sort of bandage on his knee or leg today. It was a very hot day here in St. Louis, and the event coordinator said he couldn’t speak to the crowd because he was medicated for pain.
Did he really need the wheelchair? I can’t say. Did he really need the beating from the SEIU thugs? Absolutely not.
What people need to understand is that those SEIU people were looking for a fight the entire evening. I was there for three hours, locked outside because Carnahan gave my seat to a Chicago SEIU thug. But I digress…
They were looking for a fight, they were looking to get people riled up, they hadn’t been able to do it, and who knows–maybe they weren’t gonna get paid unless they cause an incident.
Please don’t blame this guy Gladney. He wasn’t looking for a problem and he didn’t deserve what he got.
labwriter on August 8, 2009 at 8:06 PM
Actually all this might be a great twofer: exposes what “Community Organizers” and Unions are all about and why both are grasping for life.
Dingbat63 on August 8, 2009 at 8:06 PM
warbaby on August 8, 2009 at 8:05 PM
I remember being in high school and the teacher said the best job would be a psychologist as there would be so many women screwed up that didn’t choose the family option. He was right.
tessa on August 8, 2009 at 8:08 PM
In Soviet America, town hall shows up on you.
LibTired on August 8, 2009 at 8:08 PM
Part of the debate is simple
1. Agree that this madness of providing health care to illegal immigrants cannot be part of the plan
2. Make the stupid parents put their kids into the plan that already exists.
3. Find out who really wants it that does not already have it. If they don’t want it don’t give it to them.
4. If they want it find out if they can afford private insurance. If they can then let them buy it.
5. Give incentives to private insurers to come up with a plan for portability and preexisting conditions.
Then lets talk about it. We do not need to throw the baby out with the bath water when most people have insurance and most are happy.
Anyone know if the private companies have tried to come up with a plan that would satisfy the more moderate Obama supporters?
CWforFreedom on August 8, 2009 at 8:14 PM
You just don’t get it Mr. Purple. Yes, you can keep your CURRENT plan. The problem is the bill outlaws insurance companies from issuing new plans. You can’t even modify your plan. So, lets say you change jobs. You can’t get insurance at the new one because they can’t issue a policy to you. So, you are stuck with the public plan. Eventually comapanies won’t have enough policies in force to even stay in business. Wham! All you have left is the public option and we have a single payer system. Now please explain where the “choice” is in that. For more information see page 16 of the bill.
boomer on August 8, 2009 at 8:18 PM
As long as I get to beat up on an SEIU member, I’m good.
bluelightbrigade on August 8, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Anyone watching Huckabee’s show?
First speaker was a CA-D congressman named Sanchez. She double-talked her way out of the issue of members of Congress being required to use the government option. Classic weasle.
Second speaker is Obama’s former doctor for 20 years. He started yakking about the 47 million uninsured. Huckabee did a great job of nailing the guy on the fallacy of that number. It’s the first time I’ve seen someone challenge an Obamacare advocate about this point. Huck said that one-fourth or so were illegals; one-fourth or so consciously chose not to buy insurance; one-fourth or so qualify for existing programs; and the remainder may need assistance. Huck pressed him on whether we should be mandating insurance for the second group. In classic weasle fashion, the doctor tried to change the subject.
So, with two guests down, I’d submit that Huck is doing a good job of exposing Obamacare advocates as clueless. I’m going to have to watch again at 11 to confirm this.
BuckeyeSam on August 8, 2009 at 8:22 PM
I have to tell you the SEIU people are really low level workers, the grunts in society. Janitors, nurses aids, I have nothing but admiration for them, but I am sure having to mandatarily hand over x amount of dollars per week to the union must suck. The union probably keeps their hearts dark and ugly. So being a dem, they must be doubly kept dark and ugly.
tessa on August 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM
CWforFreedom on August 8, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Read the interesting CSM article yesterday “If auto insurance were like health insurance”. I’ve been saying all along why not adopt the auto model for health – you buy the coverage you want with some bare minimum levels set by states via regulation. All reforms should be done by the market not the gov’t. They screw up everything they touch.
gopmom on August 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Thanks for the responses re: Gladney/wheelchair.
i saw the vids, don’t doubt for 1 sec he was targeted/beat up.
I’m worried about what others will say (the Left).
The Left/media will continue to try to ridicule the Obamacare protestors
r keller on August 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM
The lady in the second clip cracked me up something fierce. O “bama” care!
gophergirl on August 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM
I guess everyone needs to bring their videocam to these meetings; I’m wondering if that God awful Sebilius has seen the damage these goons have done- Is she congratulating them while knowing what they’ve done??!! This is sick.
anniekc on August 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Well at least Huckabee was able to keep his fractions straight.
Put Obama out there talking about fractions and he’s one big clusterfark.
VibrioCocci on August 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM
I applaud your approach. I think (but correct me if I’m assuming too much) that you’d agree that the very first thing to do is to identify the problems.
As I just commented, let’s agree on the composition of the “uninsured” group. Then, let’s address each group: illegals aliens (thumbs up or thumbs down); insurable people who decline to purchase it (mandates a la auto liability insurance or not); people eligible for existing programs (put the lowlife ACORN members to work and have them scour the neighborhoods for enrollees); and remaining people who are uninsurable (maybe insured through a pool underwritten by all insurers as a cost of doing business).
Then, preexisting condition problems and portability problems. Beyond that, rising premuim costs–I can identify with this. Personally, I think Krauthammer’s suggestions from earlier this week–medical malpractice reform and decoupling employment from insurance coverage (thereby creating markets for individual policies a la auto insurance) will help to drive down costs.
But Obama’s proposal? Spare me.
BuckeyeSam on August 8, 2009 at 8:31 PM
In all seriousness, this is the time to NOT defend yourself. Turtle up and let the cameras catch you being beaten while continually yelling, “Why are you beating me?”
It may go against the grain, but the Gandhi route is the one to take here. Self-defense will be portrayed in the MSM as aggression, and the eggplant-headed “middle” will buy it.
Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on August 8, 2009 at 8:32 PM
Yep if we had an essentially major medical type coverage that would help. I heard another person comment that we should simply do away with insurance and watch the prices fall. I am not sure that is the right idea but prices would fall Prices always rise when someone else pays the bill and people use more when it is free.
CWforFreedom on August 8, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Unfortunately there are a lot of people who are just too stupid to extrapolate out the consequences of this hideous bill. I’m guessing they are the same people who didn’t anticipate that Barry would run his administration in the same socialist fashion he had shown tendencies of all along.
anniekc on August 8, 2009 at 8:35 PM
RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
To r keller… as I said about the “you’re racist,” “you’re a lunatic,” “you’re hurting the party,” etc. We have to get over being called names. Go through that like butter. They are GOING TO call us names. So? They are GOING TO call us tea-baggers and “anti” protesters. So?
They are going to say we’re organized (as if that’s a bad thing), paid (projection much?), and have no real heart for the fight (they wish).
All of these are tactics to demoralize us, to get us to QUIT fighting. Get used to it, and most of all, DON’T fall for it anymore.
WE are AMERICANS. We do not bow to dictators or kings. We do not apologize for having extended freedom to every country that enjoys it in any measure today. We do NOT have to apologize for our country, our freedom, or our lives!
Though they would like nothing better than to convince us that none of those are true.
UnderstandingisPower on August 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM
“Look at them thar fancypants rich republicans tryin’ ta take away are free insurance.”
/s
VibrioCocci on August 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM
My prediction.
This gets so ugly… that SEIU members begin to fight amongst themselves. Much like the Dems but for different reasons.
Those who are in the union and do not agree with the tactics of the leadership will rise up.
katy on August 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM
To SEIU: “I’m your Huckleberry.”
davidk on August 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Tessa,
Nobody is forcing them to attack. They want wealth transfers from the producers and Obamacare does much of that.
Are you in this struggle or not?
Sapwolf on August 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM
UnderstandingisPower
yes, i agree (which is why i used the word ridicule)
my simple point, before we go to the wall, does HotAir have a good understanding of exactly why the vic is in a wheelchair today and not yesterday?
has anyone done the due diligence on this? i just don’t want an epic fail.
r keller on August 8, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Sapwolf on August 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Oh, yes, I am in this struggle. I was just making a point.
tessa on August 8, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Exactly.
I don’t go looking for fights but asking questions of your Reps. shouldn’t be the precursor to a fight but it’s come to that I’m afraid.
Bring a camera folks, record everything, keep your cool… and maybe bring some pepper spray for self defense just in case. God forbid if anyone uses deadly force make Goddamn sure it was a life threatening situation and justifiable.
Yes, I’m afraid it’s going to come to that eventually. Dear God I hope I’m wrong but it seems to be escalating and it doesn’t help to have our own President encouraging this thuggery.
Yakko77 on August 8, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Thanks for your posts – very informative. My parents were also born during the war and were, for the most part, settled down and having kids when everything blew up. My mom’s a Dem but they definitely seem to be on a more traditional path than many of the Boomers.
Missy on August 8, 2009 at 9:19 PM
When Austrila governement took away the peoples right to own a gun they did not stop at hand guns. they took every gun; hand guns, rifles, shotguns, even valuable collectables and destroyed them all. The people are now disarmed and no threat to the governemet and defenseless against criminals who have unregistered guns, stolen guns and those smuggled in. So what changed and who benifited? Criminals can now commit crimes without worry of being shot and the goverment always has the greater power over the people.
Franklyn on August 8, 2009 at 9:24 PM
This post of course comes up short in detail, so I will help you.
The lady that struck this lady was arrested.
WoosterOh on August 8, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Here is a nice video of that sack lady that calls herself part of Carnahans staff.
http://videos.stltoday.com/p/video?id=5488897
It is funny, but you feel a little sorry for the twit.
WoosterOh on August 8, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Raw video of Gladney at todays rally
http://videos.stltoday.com/p/video?id=5507918
WoosterOh on August 8, 2009 at 9:49 PM
katy on August 8, 2009 at 6:53 PM
The Libs are trying to bait the townhall people and if one of the their supporters get injured, all heck will come down on us.
It’s amazing how stupid these thugs look, but the MSM still won’t report much on the townhall meetings.
yoda on August 8, 2009 at 10:10 PM
If every person there had a video camera going in every direction, it would change the dynamics.
katy on August 8, 2009 at 10:18 PM
You just don’t get it Mr. Purple. Yes, you can keep your CURRENT plan. The problem is the bill outlaws insurance companies from issuing new plans. You can’t even modify your plan. So, lets say you change jobs. You can’t get insurance at the new one because they can’t issue a policy to you. So, you are stuck with the public plan. Eventually comapanies won’t have enough policies in force to even stay in business. Wham! All you have left is the public option and we have a single payer system. Now please explain where the “choice” is in that. For more information see page 16 of the bill.
boomer on August 8, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Wow. You guys are total conspiracy theory NUTTERS!!!
Now the governemnt is outlawing your uinsurance plan? Where do you ‘beaters’ come up with this stuff? You actually think the governemnt is going to start jailing insurance salesmen if they so much as DARE to offer you a policy.
The ‘purple shirted commies’ will swoop in, arrest him, and whisk him off to a detainment center in a purple helicopter.
You guys really make the party look like a bunch of tin foil hat wearing psycho’s
The color purple is out to get you! BEWARE! ROFLMFAO!
Mr Purple on August 8, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Sounds like the black SEIU guy broke his shoulder. I feel a little bad as he may not be that bad of a guy, as the video seems to show him going back and looking for and finding the conservative black guys glasses for him, no doubt after he knocked them off.
I am sure the Union will make sure he gets good compensation since he got hurt on the job.
WoosterOh on August 8, 2009 at 10:27 PM
katy on August 8, 2009 at 10:18 PM
You are right about the video camera.
I watched a video the other day and I noticed that the Libs are also filming people to intimidate them as they gather in the room.
The current videos need to go viral, because they aren’t getting on all of the networks.
yoda on August 8, 2009 at 10:41 PM
I grew up during the ’60s and I’ll never regret it. Of course there were bad and tumultuous things going on, but there usually are. There were some really cool things going on back then as well.
I do remember that the hippies I saw were real immature, arrogant a$$holes. Still, I believe that there were many who were true to their beliefs and meant well-I have nothing against them and they were indeed peaceful people who were seeking something more out of life than materialism. I can respect that…but you don’t have to be a ‘hippie’ to be like that-you can indeed be a ‘conservative’ and want the same things for yourself and your fellow man. I just don’t abide by perfectly capable people sponging off of others.
But, I believe that most of them in that scene went along for the ride and as 1970 approached they just became angrier and meaner. Within a few years they were discoing and snorting coke. Now they’re undergoing a second guilt trip as they enter their twilight years.
Dr. ZhivBlago on August 8, 2009 at 10:47 PM
The intimidation angle isn’t working. The physical assault angle is.
katy on August 8, 2009 at 10:57 PM
I went to Montana for 10 days and the shit really seems to have hit the fan while I was away.
marmaran on August 8, 2009 at 10:57 PM
One Party-One People
One leader, a uniter for a common purpose, what unites us is stronger than what divides us.
Seig Heil.
Reality Check on August 8, 2009 at 11:06 PM
I was standing beside the guy who took the video of the Gladney smackdown. You can hear his voice: “I don’t want to get involved in that at all.” His instincts were to keep filming the fight–and I think it’s pretty clear he did the right thing. I’m convinced that the fight would have escalated, except that the goons noticed the camera, and that was one of the things that made them back off.
I bought a video camera today. I can think of 100 things–or nothing–that I’d rather have spent my money on. But I agree that it’s essential as many people as can take video cameras with them to these events, and then be very up-front about filming.
I also agree with the person who said that once you’re hit, that’s not the time to retaliate. The woman who hit the other woman in the face was handcuffed by police IMMEDIATELY (the look on handcuff-woman’s face was priceless!). If the one who was hit had hit back, it might not have been so clear what was going on.
I know. . . some people won’t be able to keep from mixing it up or jumping in to help someone out. I’m just sayin’.
labwriter on August 8, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Mr Purple:
Read the bill you idiot!
Vince on August 8, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Us against them. Them against us. Encourage factions. Play on group identity. Keep the people atomized. Control the media. Keep the way government works a mystery and complicated.
Well, there really is an us against them. It’s 99% against the 1% that run the government and write the legislation for our Corporate owned nation. The 99% against the 1% that own 40% of the wealth. The 99% that deserve a functioning democracy against the 1% that will do anything to prevent that from happening.
greggish on August 8, 2009 at 11:31 PM
You’ve got it all wrong. The new line from the left is that people who ask imprudent questions, in anything but the softest whisper, deserve to be savagely beaten. Here, take it from a lefty who posted it in the comments to one of my articles in the Green Room:
I assume some sort of commissar will be posted at future town meetings, to impartially determine what constitutes an “idiocy” and should result in physical punishment from the union peacekeepers on site. So, as long as you whisper and avoid making eye contact with your Democrat party betters, and you ask only questions that a Party official determines are not “idiotic,” you have absolutely nothing to fear!
Doctor Zero on August 8, 2009 at 11:33 PM
If you were intellectually honest you would have easily recognized that this is the salient point.
greggish on August 8, 2009 at 11:42 PM
If you were anything less than a totalitarian, you wouldn’t be so quick to make an utter fool of yourself. Let me spell this out for you slowly:
Violence against political opponents is WRONG.
It doesn’t matter if you don’t like the tone of their voice, or the content of their arguments. You and your ilk had nothing but praise for loud protesters when George Bush was the target. It would have been wrong to form gangs and beat those people to a pulp, no matter how obnoxious they were. It’s wrong now. Unconditionally, indefensibly, abhorrently wrong.
Run along home and repeat it in the mirror until you understand it.
Doctor Zero on August 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM
There’s a difference between what’s deserved, and what’s right or wrong. The action we’re talking about is not necessarily a response to a political expression. For the most part it’s a provokes response to being shouted down, not allowed to talk, and not allowed to hear. I’m saying that was true in every case or in this particular case. But then, neither was the commenter you were quoting.
greggish on August 9, 2009 at 12:00 AM
One question. Straight up Yes or No answer. No equivocation. No evasion.
Do you condemn the beating of Kenneth Gladney by SEIU and pro-Obama individuals in St. Louis?
A simple question.
Matt Helm on August 9, 2009 at 12:05 AM
Yes. Strongly.
greggish on August 9, 2009 at 12:07 AM
Then there’s at least a small ray of hope.
Matt Helm on August 9, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Then I guess arguably rude behavior wasn’t really the “salient point,” was it? Glad to see you managed a shred of intellectual honesty under pressure, or at least common decency.
Doctor Zero on August 9, 2009 at 12:11 AM
Not in the Gladney case. But my original comment wasn’t directed at that. Neither was the commenter’s comment that you quoted…
greggish on August 9, 2009 at 12:17 AM
The problem with your position is that intimidation by the opposing side in those meetings is NEVER justified either. If someone is being disruptive, there are legitimate authorities to eject those persons. Union goons DO NOT QUALIFY AS SUCH LEGITIMATE AUTHORITIES! I’m sure you would have felt the same way during Bush’s administration if it had been veterans who were beating up code pinkos instead of the police arresting them?
AZfederalist on August 9, 2009 at 12:33 AM
I think you’ve got that just right. My point, of course, is that the ’60s consisted of a lot more than just what started around 1966 or 67. The sense of possibility and freedom for poor and family-less kids like me was beyond liberating; every kind of art and literature was exploding, and we really did, I think, believe we could change the world, and raise our children with a sense of openness and love instead of just teaching them to compete with each other.
Music of every sort, not just rock, was opened up to a new generation of artists – people like Robert Crumb (and me) discovered a treasure trove of earlier Americana, and spent years of our lives learning early 20th century jazz and blues. The second generation of Bluegrass musicians changed the sound of country and popular music forever (everybody my age plays the guitar, it seems – and when I started there was no way to learn it except the old-fashioned “listen, watch and try”.)
Early music was still locked into Musicology courses in graduate schools. Now there are American artists like the American Bach Soloists and Philharmonia Baroque that are recognized all over the world for the immediacy and excitement of their production of 300 year old cantatas and oratorios, and guys like me have found a whole new sense of meaning by studying and performing Bach arias.
Ken Kesey exploded the whole concept of the American novel with One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, and more profoundly Sometimes a Great Notion. Tom Wolfe, and to a lesser although more notorious degree Hunter Thompson, introduced the world to prose that read like a Warner Brothers’ cartoon, and generations since have tried to reproduce it. Experimental filmmakers eventually caused Hollywood to reach, in the early ’70s, what was arguably the acme of American cinema. All that came from the ’60s, and it happened before there were hippies.
For a really clear look at what was going on in the latter part of that decade, though, check this out. This blog is written by a guy who was in high school in Canada in the ’70s. As I’ve noted before, I’ve met a truly astonishing number of people who ran smack into the insanity in the school system in the ’70s, and didn’t have either your foundation or the strength to see through it. Their spiritual descendants are the confused, angry hipsters that you see bloviating (and embarrassing themselves) on KOS, DU, etc. – a generation of 2-year-olds that will never be capable of growing up, and approach every situation with the strategy of screaming until everybody else gives up.
That’s the legacy of the Left, and a lot of us who went through the ’60s never bought it. It matters to me that the world recognizes that it was a lot more than just hippies and spoiled Baby Boomers.
warbaby on August 9, 2009 at 3:21 AM
Feel sorry for who? The pear-shaped SEIU thug who hit the woman with the camera?
The cops could have beat her bloody with their night sticks and I would not have a shred of sympathy for her.
UltimateBob on August 9, 2009 at 3:26 AM
Vince on August 8, 2009 at 11:28 PMI’ve read parts of the bill. Have you read the ENTIRE 1000 pages? Of course not.
Nowhere in the bill have I read about an army of purple shirted thugs forcing free medical care onto unsuspecting citizens against their will. Nothing about insurance salesme being arrested and sent to prison camps for selling health insurance.
Still the “beaters” claim the conspiracy is there, and that I must be a part of it since I’m purple too, dammit. Must be an infiltrater who signed up years ago waiting for just this moment. The conspiracy is large and has been planned for many years apparently.
Only the tin foil hats you wear are stopping us from beaming our purple message into your brains and making you part of our collective purple Borg.
Resistance is futile. You will be forced to accept government health care, if you choose. If you want to keep your current plan – that is fine too.
Mr Purple on August 9, 2009 at 3:50 AM
The Ronin Edge on August 9, 2009 at 3:42 AM
…actually it is a ‘where’s the birth certificate’ bumper sticker.
The funny thing is watching these ‘beaters’ (many of whom called me a conspiracy theorist) now see a purple shirted conspiracy that I am a part of. TFF!!! You people have completely lost it.
Watch out! The purple shirted communists want to force free health care on you if you choose to participate!
OH NOZ!!!! Not free health care that I can choose to participate in or decide to keep my current plan! What next – an option to receive free food or choose to continue buying the food I have already been buying?
Mr Purple on August 9, 2009 at 4:58 AM
fun with google.
mad saint jack on August 9, 2009 at 6:39 AM
The Ronin Edge on August 9, 2009 at 5:52 AM
Yeah, we’re comin’ to git ya! Booga booga booga!
LMAO! What a paranoid conspiracy nut. A veiled threat of inciting violence as well – typical of the ‘beaters’ astroturf campaign.
…and if I WAS comin’ for ya, you would never see me comin’. Trust me on that one.
Mr Purple on August 9, 2009 at 6:47 AM
Um…
Not sure when Tessa and Mr Purple came on board at Hot Air, but, it might be beneficial at this point to stop bickering with them. Most liberals are irrational. They do not see reality clearly. A tit for tat argument will sap your energy when that energy needs to be saved for calling your elected officials DAILY, and taking it to the street, or writing to editors of papers, etc. I think we get a false sense of victory when we continue debate in a echo chamber with one of two trolls who, in all actuality, might be here on orders from the One (heh) to post on opposing sites.
I have many flaming liberals in my family and their arguments are emotionally based and lack any substantial philosophical underpining. It is truly a fruitless activity to try to sway them, like it is for them to sway me. I was a liberal once…and only life, responsibility, faith and time changed me.
So, I say, post your best argument for the topic at hand and talk to those on HotAir with like mind and save the proverbial scuffles for the protests…hotair should be a place that we mercilessly mock those who come here spouting their liberal views but we don’t give them much time or respect.
my .02 cents.
Mommypundit on August 9, 2009 at 6:58 AM
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106158
Look! WND is carrying the story!
WND is a nutter site – so all you “beaters” are just nutters destroying the party. There are more important issues to worry about….and does it even matter?
Mr Purple on August 9, 2009 at 7:01 AM
Mommypundit on August 9, 2009 at 6:58 AM
Sorry mommy, but I ain’t no liberal. That’s just more conspiracy theory lies being pushed by the ‘beaters’.
I’m a conservative and a ‘birther’ to some.
I don’t see why HA or some of it’s posters feel an issue I believe in (Obama living up to his transparency promise) is an issue that can be mocked, ridiculed and cast aside aside without serious discussion – but if you treat another issue in the same manner you are smeared as a liberal plant who is part of the conspiracy.
Interesting double standard being displayed here by the ‘beaters’.
Maybe the birthers should think twice about blindly throwing their support behind conservative issues until their own issue gets taken a little more seriously?
Wow. What a concept.
Mr Purple on August 9, 2009 at 7:14 AM
The good news is that the behavior of Obama’s union thugs will put much more fire in the belly of our side and inspire us to fight even harder againist the radical takeover of our country.
Union hoods can’t run their bully racket against America and get away with it. They are in for a very rude awakening–as is all of ObamAmerica.
RandyChandler on August 9, 2009 at 7:30 AM
Sibelius is not the Scandinavian composer I thought she was.
Death to unions.
Coronagold on August 9, 2009 at 8:22 AM
I really couldn’t see much from the video. Sounds like a complete mess.
AnninCA on August 9, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Chicago tactics in full view. Ah come on Lenny let me pet the rabbit.
MSGTAS on August 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Nutters? Pot meet kettle
CWforFreedom on August 9, 2009 at 10:25 AM
ooOOOOOoo…..booga booga booga, indeed.
Silly rabbit..tricks are for kids.
Itchee Dryback on August 9, 2009 at 10:27 AM
hawkdriver on August 9, 2009 at 10:28 AM
My God, are you gullible.
Let me guess…early to mid 20′s?
Itchee Dryback on August 9, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Obama’s poll numbers will be in the low 40′s by the end of the month. It’s going to be an interesting August. Good to see ya, hawk!
kingsjester on August 9, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Black conservative beaten at a rally, but on a lighter note, let’s look at Michelle’s new sleeveless dress.
Jeff from WI on August 9, 2009 at 10:52 AM
New Obama DEATH PANEL to decide if life is worth the expense.
But on a lighter note, Michelle is busy in the White House vegetable garden.
Jeff from WI on August 9, 2009 at 10:53 AM
False dichotomy positions imo.
The first one isn’t far off imo.
Although it would be more accurate to state that its the 1% who are the government, instead of the 1% who control the government.
The other 2 statements are little more than a finger pointing blame game.
There is not one corporation that would exist let alone thrive, let alone control much of anything if “we the people” didn’t want what it is they sell.
Your third claim just repeats the first.
Itchee Dryback on August 9, 2009 at 10:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0
“I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration. “
Hillary Clinton
izoneguy on August 9, 2009 at 11:07 AM
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