National Guard not advertising for political-dissent internment camps
posted at 9:15 am on August 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
One would think that the negative coverage of just about every phase of the Iraq War would have taught people about the many specialties of the US military, but especially about training for detention and stockade duty. However, we have received an eruption of e-mail over a completely innocuous job listing from the National Guard which proves that a few people pay more attention to conspiracy theories than to facts. The catalyst for the inbox paranoia came from a Monster.com listing to recruit for a 31E Internment/Resettlement Specialist:
Internment / Resettlement Specialists in the Army are primarily responsible for day-to-day operations in a military confinement/correctional facility or detention/internment facility. Internment / Resettlement Specialists provide rehabilitative, health, welfare, and security to US military prisoners within a confinement or correctional facility; provide custody, control, supervision and security to internees within a detention/internment facility; conduct inspections; prepare written reports; coordinate activities of prisoners/internees and staff personnel.
Some of your duties as an Internment / Resettlement Specialist may include:
- Assisting with supervision and management of confinement and detention operations
- Providing internal or external security to confinement/corrections facilities or detention/internment facilities
- Providing custody, control, supervision and escort to all security levels of U.S. military prisoners or internees/detainees
- Counseling and guidance to individual prisoners within a rehabilitative program
- Preparing or reviewing reports and records of prisoners/internees and programs
Why does the Guard need these positions filled? It may have escaped notice, but we sent a lot of National Guard units into combat areas of Iraq as we stretched to meet the personnel needs of occupation. They took both combat and support roles for regular Army and Marine units in Iraq, and part of that effort involved holding detainees captured by combat troops. The need for disciplined training in this particular specialty became painfully and publicly clear after Abu Ghraib (although that involved the 372nd Military Police Company of the Army). The need for relocation efforts comes from any war situation where civilians get displaced en masse, as well as peacekeeping efforts in post-war situations.
Whenever and wherever Guard units get deployed, some of them have to be trained in handling prisoners. That job requires specialists with specific training and discipline for the job. The Guard advertises for those positions presumably because they figure that training and experience could be attractive to people who want to be law-enforcement officers (just as MP service in the other branches is), or who perhaps already are in law enforcement and want to serve their country in the discipline they know.
It’s not really a great mystery, nor is it a conspiracy to set up camps for political dissenters. It’s a good job for people who want to serve the cause of liberty and freedom, and those who volunteer deserve our respect for choosing what’s usually a pretty thankless job even without the paranoid overtones.
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Are they asking folks to apply at “flag@whitehouse.gov”?
Heh… :)
AW1 Tim on August 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM
how silly, the army “detains” people on the battlefield because its changes the nature of what we can do with them. When you take a “prisoner” it changes the legal classification. This is why we had 30,000 detainees in Iraq and about 30-40 prisoners. As for internment, refugees usually end up losing the ability to move around as a means for the army to have some control over situations that are chaotic to begin with.
rob verdi on August 8, 2009 at 9:20 AM
We have turned over all detention facilities in Iraq to the Iraqis. The cut-back on US military personnel in Europe has reduced confinement facilities in USEUCOM to one…at Mannheim, staffed by ACTIVE DUTY personnel only. “Gitmo” is being reduced in size and personnel…top be closed, soon, according to our President.
Now, exactly where are these National Guard detention specialists going to be assigned?
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 9:21 AM
by the way anyone crazy enough to take that job is guaranteeing a ticket to Camp Cropper and Camp Bucca. I did detainee operations for a year, its miserable.
rob verdi on August 8, 2009 at 9:22 AM
coldwarrior
I believe we still maintain a significant detainee population.
rob verdi on August 8, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Are you sure you were not getting spammed?
luckybogey on August 8, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Sounds like a pc description for a jailers job to me and no, not for jailing those who dissent.
boomer on August 8, 2009 at 9:24 AM
And will in future conflicts as well.
Ed Morrissey on August 8, 2009 at 9:24 AM
We are using Navy MA’s and regular enlisted to guard internment camps in both Iraq and Afganistan. I would be glad to have the National Guard come over and fill these spots.
Squid Shark on August 8, 2009 at 9:25 AM
I wouldn’t have guessed Iraq, I would have guess resettling Gitmos.
Interesting though. Would never have heard of this without your comments here, Ed, thanks.
Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2009 at 9:25 AM
I got it from people we usually see in the e-mail streams and from at least one other blogger who wondered why it had suddenly erupted.
Ed Morrissey on August 8, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Can anyone provide a list of US Army detention facilities that normally utilize National Guard troops? No, not back during the height of the Iraq war…but today?
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Maybe that’s why they’re advertising! ;-)
Ed Morrissey on August 8, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Hey, what better way to keep a secret like the internment camps of conspiracy theorists imaginations than by advertising job positions for them on Monster.
Superb analysis, Ed. And we’ve already seen the mistake of using combat troops as even a general police force in the wake of Saddam’s regime fall.
JetBoy on August 8, 2009 at 9:27 AM
I believe the truth of the matter lays somewhere between Coldwarrior and Ed’s thoughts. This nation is going to be set on fire and it won’t be a pretty sight.
melachiro on August 8, 2009 at 9:27 AM
coldwarrior
I worked with a Kentucky National Guard Unit in Abu. They were some of the best people I ever met.
rob verdi on August 8, 2009 at 9:29 AM
And, if these national Guard detention specialists are being ramped up for “future deployments,” where? Where is this Administration planning on setting up new facilities and why? What is being planned at the JCS level that requires this sort of recruitment drive?
Perhaps the most transparent government evah should drop us, you know, the ordinary citizens, a clue as to what theater of operations we are going to send our men and women to?
There is indeed something “fishy” about the timing of this recruiting announcement.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 9:31 AM
We are not running Abu today…the Iraqis are, and have been for several months already.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 9:31 AM
This is a field that none of us know better than Coldwarrior.
Keemo on August 8, 2009 at 9:32 AM
No doubt the new positions will come in handy when Obama finally decides to invade Honduras and Israel. :-)
elduende on August 8, 2009 at 9:32 AM
Nothing to see here.
HondaV65 on August 8, 2009 at 9:35 AM
+1
I have learned to listen and pay attention to cw in these types of matters, el duende is pretty reliable also.
thomasaur on August 8, 2009 at 9:35 AM
During the first gulf war, a NG company from MacAlester, OK (where “Big Mac” is located) performed collection and detention duties for Iraqi prisoners. There were tens or hundred of thousands that surrendered in a few days. Needless to say, many of these NG soldiers were prison guards in civialian life which, I imagine, was of great help to the Army MPs who had little experience with this.
Old Country Boy on August 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Can anyone provide a list of US Army detention facilities that normally utilize National Guard troops? No, not back during the height of the Iraq war…but today?
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 9:26 AM
The National Guard has several specialties that are not as you say “In Use Today”, but train for anyway. I suppose every AC MOS is applied Today??
Lame thinking.
CSM BigBird
CSMBigBird on August 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Bill creates detention camps in U.S. for ‘emergencies’
Sweeping, undefined purpose raises worries about military police state
According to the text of the proposed bill, the purpose of the National Emergency Centers is “to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster.”
Three additional purposes are specified in the text of the proposed legislation:
* To provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of federal, state and local first responders;
* To provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response and recovery efforts of government, private, not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations;
* To meet other appropriate needs, as defined by the secretary of homeland security.
Source: WND
luckybogey on August 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Could it be…
There seems to be a bit of a “nervous time” with the bosses here at HA. With Michelle’s book hitting number one; with Michelle getting a great deal of exposure on the tube, as well as radio; with hotair being brought up as a project of Michelle’s… Seems like a time to be careful as to not allow the site to be branded as some kind of right wing loony farm.
Keemo on August 8, 2009 at 9:37 AM
CW didn’t question the training, he asked some great questions about job recruitment.
Of course you should train for more things you have to do. Good training makes the US military the best in the world.
Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Yet more evidence that people in the middle of all of this political turmoil, those who have not and are not paying attention, are very susceptible to speculation, rumor and innuendo.
When you have the leadership of the majority political party playing psychological games with the emotions of their party loyalists, you are going to get trouble.
St. Louis — SEIU — ‘town hall’. Thanks Mr. President.
Skandia Recluse on August 8, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Could there be any more self flagellation on the conservative side these days?
fossten on August 8, 2009 at 9:39 AM
This is a field that none of us know better than Coldwarrior.
Keemo on August 8, 2009 at 9:32 AM
+1
I have learned to listen and pay attention to cw in these types of matters, el duende is pretty reliable also.
thomasaur on August 8, 2009 at 9:35 AM
I retired in February with over thirty years on active duty in the Guard. (AGR)
Just because we are training for something today, does not mean that MOS is required Today.
We and the AC train in NBC, how many times do we use it Daily…
Get a Beer, the cool aid is working…
CSMBigBird on August 8, 2009 at 9:41 AM
When I first saw this several days ago, I went to the National Guard Bureau official website and started reading daily…and no, there isn’t a whole lot about this there.
Again, this might be an innocent effort to restore a depleted MOS field…or it could be a harbinger of something else. The NGB isn’t being transparent on this one at all.
I can understand OPSEC for active duty programs…but the national Guard? The outcy when “BushHitler” sent National Guard troops overseas was loud and widespread. There werea lot of Dems in Congress who attempted to stop such deployments, saying that the National Guard was for events like Katrina…only and Bush using them to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan was diluting their domestic mission.
As a simple ordinary citizen, I’d like to know why we need National Guard detention specialists to such an extent that the NGB is advertising for them, rather than going through MOS rosters and TO&E’s within the Guard to find them if they only need to bolster ongoing current programs?
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM
thomasaur on August 8, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Agreed my friend!
Keemo on August 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM
The ONLY part of this whole thing that makes my blood run cold is the word “resettlement.”
There was another group of people involved in “resettlement” and I think we know how well that turned out for people like me.
I don’t particularly care what we’ve decided these positions are for. I just wish they would reword the ad a little bit.
mjk on August 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM
This is a standard emergency application of National Guard forces in the event of a national disaster.
Seen a displaced person camp after a Hurricane, National Guard keeping the peace.
This piece of Paranoid Crap brought to you by Birther Central.
Squid Shark on August 8, 2009 at 9:43 AM
coldwarrior
I know, that is because we transferred people over Cropper, which made more sense since it was prison located in a massive American base adding an extra level of security.
rob verdi on August 8, 2009 at 9:44 AM
No dog in the fight, but here’s what the line is: Internment / Resettlement Specialists provide rehabilitative, health, welfare, and security to US military prisoners within a confinement or correctional facility;
Since when are people displaced by hurricanes prisoners of the US military? Paranoid crap can’t be dismissed by slight of rhetorical hand.
Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2009 at 9:46 AM
CSMBigBird on August 8, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Thank you for your service!
I have been reading cw’s comments and insights for several years now. This man has knowledge few do. I trust this man. Maybe I will trust your knowledge in time; for now, I don’t know you. Trust and respect must be earned over time, as I’m sure you understand given your background.
Keemo on August 8, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Ed,
As a sidebar: close to your old home town — at the Los Alamitos JFTB (home to the 40th ID among other units) — there is a HUGE banner advertising a $2,500 enlistment bonus into the CNG if you bring a friend with you.
That’s some serious change in these hard times.
Oh to be young again.
VoyskaPVO on August 8, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Bingo,
When DA gives NGB a “Potential” mission, it is the job of the various staff sections to plan. Should one of the plans involve 31E’s, and NGB be short them. G-1 would send that to the recruiters….
I guess next, they will be looking for “Document specialists” to help with Birth certificate validation.
CSMBigBird on August 8, 2009 at 9:49 AM
Some states running out of money have ideas of using national guard instead of the police to save money.
the_nile on August 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM
National Guard to make cut-backs.
And from USAToday this past May.
There is a surplus in National Guard troop strength…apparently. Perhaps instead of advertising for new recruits, to fill a particular specialty that is not the same as being a county sheriff lock-up specialist, it might be a good program to draw from experienced National Guard members in other fields, or related fields, instead?
And this could have been accomplished by merely comparing MOS’s and experience held in their 201′s on file and updated annually, and identifying those who may meet the criteria, and sending out levies to lock those troops into the program, dependent on their agreement or refusal.
The local infantry and engineer Guard units nearby are being shut down completely. Those who are not accepting re-assignment to other Guard units are being permitted to serve in temp positions until their enlistments run their course.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM
this was posted on Atlas shrugged .com a couple days ago. ed must have missed the post
unseen on August 8, 2009 at 9:51 AM
Thanks for clearing this up, Ed. However, I think we can be forgiven a little paranoia in this particular political climate.
Disturb the Universe on August 8, 2009 at 9:55 AM
This description does not suggest nor imply that these specialists will be used in the event of a domestic natural disaster.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Yea, a friend of mine at work is convinced that the people protesting health care are going to be sent to detention camps. I don’t think that’s true, but I never thought we’d have a president who didn’t want to hear what people think, either.
scalleywag on August 8, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Look, I know that there is nothing sinister here. I think the guard has had this title on this job for some time now. But with all the uneasiness about the economy, the right being called a threat to national security, the administration illegally collecting information on dissenters and so on. Perhaps it’s time the guard got away from the description of the job as “Internment/Resettlement Specialist”
conservnut on August 8, 2009 at 9:57 AM
That line is pretty clearly designated for prisons in Iraq, GTMO, and Afganistan.
Squid Shark on August 8, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Your service is duly recognized and respected, however your condescencion is unbecoming of an officer in the Guard.
thomasaur on August 8, 2009 at 9:58 AM
31 Echo “job description.”
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 9:58 AM
There is no “or” (as in “or military prisoners”) so that’s exclusionary.
That means non-domestic purposes. This ad is not for hurricane helpers.
Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Your right it implies overseas prisons.
Squid Shark on August 8, 2009 at 10:00 AM
And here…31Echo.
Have been trying to parse this for several days, and juxtapose it with the overall National Guard mission.
There is indeed a disconnect.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 10:00 AM
You are right, it is even less sinister, overseas military detainment. Or if we bring them here, same idea.
Squid Shark on August 8, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Overseas detainment is not sinister to me. That’s what makes the future deployments comment so… interesting.
Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2009 at 10:04 AM
If we are drawing down on the GWOT…with the exception of sending more Army and marine combat infantry units to Afghanistan…where is the purported necessary increase in 31E’s to be utilized? Are there no Active Duty or Army Reserve EPW/IPW personnel available?
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Ed asked for info. Obviously Coursi and WND will forever be tied to the “birthers”. Some may read more into Hr 645 than others. However there are concerns on the possible upcoming pandemic (H1N1)this winter.
luckybogey on August 8, 2009 at 10:06 AM
As I said, I’m retired. My brother is the DCSOPS G-3 for one of the largest guard states. My wife is retired from the AGR program, and my daughter is in ROTC, will be commissioned as a 2LT in the Guard next year.
Second, look at Birmingham, Alabama. The county is about to go under, the Sheriff has already requested National Guard soldiers through the State. Could he be looking for 31E’s to run the Jail, while his few remaining deputies are on the street??
You can bet your bottom dollar that the people I know would be the first to arm, should the “FED”, decide to try and go the nefarious route.
Our oath is to the constitution.
Sorry sounding flipped, but as with the “Birthers” it is tiring to see and read.
The Guard is a professional force, with professional Soldiers. You actually believe they would be recruiting/training for home grown detention? I find that a slap in the face.
As I said, our oath is to the Constitution.
CSMBigBird on August 8, 2009 at 10:07 AM
And HR645 would indicate an necessary increase in Civil Affairs specialists rather then Military Police specialists.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Haven’t said it yet, but thank you. Your comments are a quality contribution to this site. And your service is greatly appreciated as well.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 10:10 AM
I still say it is the closing of Gitmo, and relocating detainees. If true, even Obama isn’t going to just let the detainees go free.
Recent news (trial balloons) mentioned a Standish Michigan facility closure and news that Gitmo detainees might be sent there.
Since then, Gov. Granholm has said that she would take prisoners from California, since that state has to reduce prison population, and that she does not want Gitmo detainees. There has been [some] push back to the idea of taking Gitmo detainees.
Bart Stupak (D-Mi) yesterday, in a meeting with local officials.
Skandia Recluse on August 8, 2009 at 10:11 AM
I’ll own up. My e-mail to HA’s tips e-mail address:
I don’t have time to research every bit of information floating around. But one thing I’ve realized is that as a citizen I’ve been asleep at the wheel for far too long. I’ve become fed up with federal legislation slowly creeping into my life. As a result, my radar is on and my periscope is up.
With regard to this item, rightly or wrongly, I have a personal connotation for the word internment. I associate it with the internment of Japanese during World War II. Whatever you think of that intrusion, I’ve always considered the word to address domestic imprisonment of U.S. citizens for reasons not relating to the commission of a crime. If, in that ad, internment is superfluous for some of the other words of description, it should be eliminated, and the ad should emphasize the overseas nature of the role–unless, of course, the ad is intended to attract applicants who are interested in performing the role for Gitmo detainees relocated to the U.S.
Whatever the case, guilty as charged. In the meantime, can someone explain to me Obama’s referring to a “civilian national security force” in a 2 July 2008 campaign speech. That still scares the p*ss out of me.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/17/are-the-media-airbrushing-obamas-speeches/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
Sorry, I’m not a birther, but I would like to see his Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard Law transcripts so that I can complete my picture of what this guy is all about.
And I’m not comforted by his criticism of Crowley and his more recent declaration to just shut up.
BuckeyeSam on August 8, 2009 at 10:15 AM
Folks….calm the frak down…
In my day they were 95Cs. These are what we called ‘field’ MPs. They were responsibile for route security and checkpoint controls, prisoner AND refugee control. The basics- they are Military Policemen with extra training in as prison guard/armed security. Anyone who thinks these Military Police are some kind of go-to-the-showers guards is nuts.
Limerick on August 8, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Had a recent email discussion with Scott Silliman, Duke University School of Law. He teaches Johnson v. Eisntrager as part of his curriculum.
Silliman states, “Obama Administration is considering bringing all the detainees into the US, some for trial in either military commissions or federal district courts, but the majority of them for long term detention without trial. That is unprecedented and, in my judgment, would require specific congressional authorization. Further, I think it is a terrible idea from both a legal and a policy perspective.”
Further, he states, “I favor using revised military commissions (and there is pending legislation in Congress to revise commission proceedings) which can be held anywhere in the world. I would bring as few detainees as possible into the US for trial in the federal courts. Again, bringing them here arguably enhances the constitutional rights and certainly creates security concerns.”
There is indeed a danger in bringing the detainees here..be it the US Confinement Facility at Fort Leavenworth or a struggling prison in Michigan, or anywhere else within the United States…for once they arrive, as a landed immigrant under our federal laws, each can easily demand and receive full protections of the judicial system, to include full habeas corpus rights…and most will, under the Constitution be released. Most broke NO US laws on US soil against US persons. Hence, jurisdiction is a problem. And an erosion of judicial rights for ALL Americans would be a danger. Using US civilian facilities to hold these detainees, thus turning that facility into a extra-military facility would be a major departure from Posse Comitatus as well.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 10:23 AM
31 Echos are not traffic police nor convoy security personnel, nor refugee control personnel.
TO&E’s are not loosely applied guidelines. MOS assignments are to follow unit TO&E’s.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Because there are no new Obama birth certificates to go crazy about?
I’m actually serious here (with just a little snark thrown in) — the video this week from the supposed birther hoaxer on the latest certificate served to embarrass a lot of people, and fuel the claims by people like Robert Gibbs that all of Obama’s opponents are a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists, and that their fears over Obamacare, Cap & Trade, Card Check, etc., also are just paranoid conspiracies. So it wouldn’t be a stretch to think the president’s supporters would — if not start new conspiracies like the National Guard detention facilities – at the very least have no problem with helping to try and spread those claims to as many conservative sites as possible, in order to turn around and discredit them as a bunch of right-wing loons.
jon1979 on August 8, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Good observation.
Broad brush attempts to define who we are will backfire. There is no transparency in this Administration nor this Congress. The internet, however, is providing that necessary transparency, even if the Administration and Congress try to shut down the “debate.”
Isolate and ridicule…key tactics of the Alinsky method.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM
I was the Task Force St. Tammany CSM for Katrina. I would say the 31E’s would be the logical choice for setting up and running the displaced camps. Not the Civil Affairs.
But as we learned there. What we think does hold water to what the local Emergency planners/Homeland Security folks think. Ask the slum lords in Houston, TX this.
There was a very steep learning curve after Katrina. I hate to bash the Pelican State folks but they were in way over their heads from day one. But then their homes and state were hurt.
Then the MSM and then Dem’s poured it on. Made the whole thing “Political”. DA got poked in the eye, and it rolled down to NGB. NGB of course is now trying to make sure they have resources of this type should it ever happen again.
My two cents.
CSMBigBird on August 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM
“3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army” –Source: Army Times
Martial Law and the Militarization of Public Health: The Worldwide H1N1 Flu Vaccination Program “Swine flu could strike up to 40 percent of Americans over the next two years” –Source: Global Research
POLICE STATE Active Duty Troops are training to quell civil unrest. You Tube
luckybogey on August 8, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Using Guard forces could get around Posse Comitatus as far as the Military is concerned.
But you are right on the money about the immigration laws. Moving them here would be a Huge win for them.
CSMBigBird on August 8, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Ed, this is piss poor reporting. Actually it’s not reporting at all. It’s guessing.
Who did you call to verify this info?
Maybe in Iran.
faraway on August 8, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Ed,
you are always quite generous with Obama until he follows through on the unthinkable.
I’d like to know how many times these ads were posted during the last 10 years and how many positions were called for and filled compared to the Obama admin. projections.
katy on August 8, 2009 at 10:37 AM
I understand your concern, but I was 95B. That is your basic Military Police. We were no different from your local cops. Our brothers were 95Cs. Their primary mission was prison guard but not their only mission. The big addition into a refugee/internment camp mission started after Nam when we brought all those folks to America put them in camps in Oklahoma and Arkansas. Lessons learned there are being applied to these 31Cs.
These are NOT Vichy prison guards.
Limerick on August 8, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Right through the 2010 election cycle. Guess that explains the Democrats complete confidence in overreaching the limits of sanity… seriously
katy on August 8, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Urban Warfare Drills Linked To Coming Economic Rage
Source: Prison Planet
Monday, February 23, 2009
luckybogey on August 8, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Can anyone provide a list of US Army detention facilities that normally utilize National Guard troops?
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 9:26 AM
I don’t have a list..but by friend Terri got back from Camp Bucca about a month back. I don’t think it’s all NG, but a good portion of it. she was with the Michigan NG.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bucca
I doubt it’s been turned over to the iraqis..from what she said they were no where near ready.
warhorse_03826 on August 8, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Am quite familiar with the Fort Chaffee resettlement operation involving the “boat people.” US Army Reserve civil affairs took off as a result of the “boat people” and Cuban Marialista events.
In the intervening years the role and mission of the MP Corps has been redefined, and made more professional. Specific training and specific MOS’s are now the norm, unlike during WWII, Korea, or Vietnam. In those conflicts MP’s were often drawn from “excess” personnel in other areas. Anti-aircraft personnel for example, in both WWII and Korea were assigned to other duties once the air threat had been negated. MP’s were one such field that benefited from these re-asssigned, often hastily trained, personnel.
Katy, above, raises a good question.
Now, to the question of perhaps using these 31E’s re: HiNi epidemics…
In WWI more US service members died from the Spanish Flu than from combat…and most of these were within the US. It was the camps that were the most dangerous vector for the spread of the disease.
it was also a case of panic among the officials that prevented the application of even the then primitive medical science…so many Americans died because they were isolated and herded into camps.
But the recruitment announcement speaks to overseas missions, not domestic missions.
There is a disconnect, and I’d like to run it down.
Nefarious? A conspiracy? A bunch of right-wing whackos?
How about a little more transparency from this Administration and DoD as to what their end-game is. These are not SOCOM or other ongoing active duty military operations, these are US Army National Guard personnel…who have a primary domestic mission.
What strategic “secrets” will be revealed by merely providing the basic plans and intentions of the deployment of National Guard personnel to serve a National Guard mission?
The lack of transparency, the same that had been decried for eight years of the previous Administration, seems to be getting more and more routine aside by this Administration.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Prison Planet? Surely you jest.
Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2009 at 10:54 AM
A bit out there…yep.
But, just a handful of month’s ago, a lot of us were told we were way out there when we tried to point out what Obama might do and pretty much would do once elected.
Eternal vigilance…the price of freedom. That is not way out there.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 10:56 AM
That’s why I read your comments.
Jones? Not-so-much.
Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Those who refuse to pay attention will surely pay the price.
thomasaur on August 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Below is a video of the FBI agent that infiltrated the weatherunderground and talked of camps for those who did not follow the party line.
PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER FOLKS! WHEN WILL ENOUGH INFORMATION BE ENOUGH.
Let’s see, Bill ayers, friend of Obama (one among many far left commie friends)
Snitch files
Destroying the wealth of the country
Government takeover of healthcare (our lives)
Uegenicists as czars
Sending Unions and ACORN groups to quell dissent
…anyboby care to add?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRg9il_V328
Interesting how both videos made decades apart mention the southwest as the place for these camps.
katy on August 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM
So let’s take our eye off the ball and give it a nice prominent place on HA so we can show how reasonable we are.
TheBigOldDog on August 8, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Pilferring. That is what concerns me most. The pilfering of our Rights by this Adminsitration. Sort of like a kid in his Mom’s kitchen and a full cookie jar sitting on the counter.
He sneaks one cookie. Not noticed, nothing is done. he goes back and gets another cookie, making sure Mom is not watching. Then another. And another, over the whole afternoon.
Cookie jar then empty…and a full and upset tummy later….Mom finally notices. But no more cookies in the jar and a kid in need of a Fleet’s making the rest of the day a “distraction” for the parents…and a not very pleasant one at that if you include the commode time.
A little vigilance could have prevented all of it.
This Administration is pilfering…
Each time, “well, it is a small thing, no big deal.” We do nothing, we quietly go back to what we were doing.
More pilfering.
At what point do we all have no cookies in the jar?
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Not like there’s much else to fill the bandwidth anyway. Let’s report out how “insane” HA readers are and talk abou how they are flooding your mailbox with crazy conspiracy theories. That’s helpful. See how sane and reasonable I am?
TheBigOldDog on August 8, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Spirit: I concur. coldwarrior usually has great though process…
luckybogey on August 8, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I’m not a jones fan either but there are peices that do fall together quite nicely from his and many other sources.
Jones is off the mark on many things but he is on the mark on others and to dismiss all of it will not help in figuring out where we are heading.
katy on August 8, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Cookies For You
luckybogey on August 8, 2009 at 11:12 AM
I agree. He and the Doc are two favorite commenters here. (No slight meant to anyone else)
Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2009 at 11:13 AM
If we become afraid to ask the questions…we will never get to the answers.
And those who paint all of us with a broad brush…Jones, and all of us, really, because we ask at times seemingly outlandish questions…well being so painted is not something Americans relish. The Dems have stoked the fires by their refusal to provide answers other than to call all of us whackos.
But, katy, and I am in agreement with your direction, if we are not “allowed” to be given answers, time and again, seemingly outlandish questions may become our only way to obtain those vital answers.
We all should be looking at those outlandish questions. We should all be refining those same questions. But, ask we must.
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Oh gee…another “little something” I’m not
supposed to worry about until it HAPPENS!
spacewife on August 8, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Scary, isn’t it?
coldwarrior on August 8, 2009 at 11:16 AM
I believe that we are nearing that point.
thomasaur on August 8, 2009 at 11:17 AM
The southwest is mentioned in both videos…hmmm that proves it.
It could not be because the Southwest has miles and miles of flat, unpopulated land. It couldnt be because it would be the most logical place to put these things if I were a whacko paranoid.
No, its all part of the big conspiracy. boooogah boooogah booogah!
Squid Shark on August 8, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Yes. We have to ask and keep asking. What comes to mind is the Alinski rule concerning ‘ridicule’.
That is what seems to be occurring here. Ask the right question and prepare to be ridiculed.
At this point I don’t give a damn anymore. I’ll take ridicule over what I believe is coming.
katy on August 8, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Headline: National Guard not advertising for political-dissent internment camps
Ed’s “facts”: It’s not really a great mystery, nor is it a conspiracy to set up camps for political dissenters.
huh?
faraway on August 8, 2009 at 11:22 AM
I have often wondered about the military if Hit…err, Obama realized his obvious vision of turning the US into a Marxist dictatorship. Would the Army follow orders to go after the troops’ fellow citizens? Or might the military mutiny against the Dear One and join a popular revolt if one occurred? No dictatorship can stand without the backing of the military even if all local police forces stand with Der Fuhrer.
Liam on August 8, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Yes. We have to ask and keep asking. What comes to mind is the Alinski rule concerning ‘ridicule’.
That is what seems to be occurring here. Ask the right question and prepare to be ridiculed.
At this point I don’t give a damn anymore. I’ll take ridicule over what I believe is coming.
katy on August 8, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Ladies and gentleman, I give you exibit A…
katy on August 8, 2009 at 11:23 AM
The sad thing is that while the internet has been a wonderful tool to gather information and shrink our world, it has also provided and endless string of miscellaney to fuel the paranoid delusions of conspiracy nuts.
Squid Shark on August 8, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Many of us have taken the pledge, they would have to shoot me before I every fired on a U.S. Citizen.
Squid Shark on August 8, 2009 at 11:25 AM
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