Unemployment eases to 9.4%; percentage of working Americans still drops; Update: BLS juggling the numbers?

posted at 10:18 am on August 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported unexpectedly good news this morning, lowering the unemployment rate to 9.4% and noting a net loss of almost a quarter-million jobs in July.  Most analysts tracking the weekly data, where an average of 550,000 new jobless claims a week had been the norm, expected a slight increase over June’s 9.5%.  The reopening of car plants following the bankruptcies of GM and Chrysler may account for the difference:

U.S. employers cut 247,000 jobs in July, far less than expected and the least in any month since last August, according to a government report on Friday that provided the clearest evidence yet that the economy was turning around.

With fewer workers being laid off, the unemployment rate eased to 9.4 percent in July from 9.5 percent the prior month, the Labor Department said, the first time the jobless rate had fallen since April 2008.

The government revised job losses for May and June to show 43,000 fewer jobs lost than previously reported.

Analysts had expected non-farm payrolls to drop 320,000 in July and the unemployment rate to rise to 9.6 percent. The forecast was made earlier this week before other jobs data prompted some economists to lower their estimates for job losses.

This may represent the bottoming out of the recession after almost eighteen months.  The BLS showed most industries still terminating jobs (except health care and education), but the rate has slowed considerably.  Manufacturing losses dropped to 52,000, the first time in 10 months it went below 100,000 in any month.  The service industry lost 119,000 following worse-than-expected news about the contraction of that sector.

Unfortunately, that statistic tells only part of the story.  According to the BLS, the percentage of Americans of working age with jobs continued to drop.  In July, the number was 59.4%, down from 59.5% in June and 60.5% in January.  That indicates that long-term joblessness may not get completely captured in the unemployment numbers shown in this report.

The curve still seems to be following the predicted path of an economy without the Porkulus bill, as noted in Christine Romer’s January analysis:

Having the upward trajectory of joblessness slow down does not make a recovery.  As Winston Churchill reminded the British after the miracle of Dunkirk, wars do not get won by successful evacuations.  Until the economy starts generating a net increase in jobs and not just a lower net decrease, the overall employment rate will creep upwards.  The only way for that to happen is to get capital into the markets to create jobs.  The stock market has shown some indications lately that capital may finally be getting off the sidelines, but it won’t jump fully back into play as long as the Obama administration insists on pursuing policies hostile to business.

Update: Jim Geraghty and James Pethokoukis throw a dash of cold water and reason on these numbers:

In June, the Bureau of Labor Statistics said the civilian labor force was 154,926,000 people.

In July, 796,000 of those were taken out of their definition of the workforce, and thus their unemployment calculations for this month, because they have stopped looking for work “because they believe no jobs are available for them.” Ten percent of the June workforce would be 15.4 million, 1 percent would be 1.5 million, and so 796,000 is roughly one half of one percent.

In other words, BLS took .5 percent of what you and I would consider unemployed and took them out of their total. And with that, unemployment went down one tenth of one percent.

I recall the Left accusing George W. Bush of doing the same thing in 2002-3 in the unemployment figures — when they didn’t get above 7% or so.  I guess it’s now OK to do it.

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All hail Dear leader!

We are saved!

noblejones on August 7, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Uh…I don’t get it. 247,000 fewer net jobs, and the unemployment “went down”? What…did a million unemployed workers die this month?

Jaibones on August 7, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Only in loopy land is losing another quarter million jobs good news.

Oh and here’s the explanation for the drop to 9.4% when it should have gone to 9.6%. They are fudging the numbers.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDM4YmJlYzRiMmYxZjYzNDc2M2VkYjZiYTg2NDcxYjY=

elduende on August 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM

This really is good news. I still think the recovery will be painfully slow on this one.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Uh…I don’t get it. 247,000 fewer net jobs, and the unemployment “went down”? What…did a million unemployed workers die this month?

Jaibones on August 7, 2009 at 10:22 AM

See OOTD for a more clear understanding of government math.

thomasaur on August 7, 2009 at 10:25 AM

What…did a million unemployed workers die this month?

Jaibones on August 7, 2009 at 10:22 AM

They availed themselves of the end-of-life counseling.

Disturb the Universe on August 7, 2009 at 10:25 AM

So that expensive “Stimulus” was a flop.

GarandFan on August 7, 2009 at 10:25 AM

removing the “marginally detatched” from the workforce of potential workers reduces the national labor pool by .2 percent. So if you reduce the labor force by 0.2 percent, and unemployment only decreases by .1 percent… then unemployment actually increased by .1 percent using June’s numbers.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDM4YmJlYzRiMmYxZjYzNDc2M2VkYjZiYTg2NDcxYjY=

elduende on August 7, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Uh…I don’t get it. 247,000 fewer net jobs, and the unemployment “went down”? What…did a million unemployed workers die this month?

Jaibones on August 7, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Nearly a million workers gave up looking. The truth is the Obama administration can get any unemployment figure it wants by manipulating the numbers. But when fewer people are working(which is the case when 247,000 jobs are lost), that means less revenue for the government. Which means that deficit will continue to rise.

Doughboy on August 7, 2009 at 10:26 AM

This really is good news. I still think the recovery will be painfully slow on this one.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Not sure net job loss is good news. We’ll see.

jazz_piano on August 7, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Jailbones -

People are giving up…. literally. The workforce (employed + unemployed) is shrinking (it dropped 0.2% in July). In a nutshell, less people are looking for jobs (not because they found work, but because they think it is a waste of time).

http://market-ticker.org/archives/1307-Employment-Situation-Report-July.html

BPD on August 7, 2009 at 10:26 AM

The reopening of car plants following the bankruptcies of GM and Chrysler may account for the difference:

So the unions to the rescue of the filthy liar once again.

I’m so angry with the rat bastard traitor this morning it isn’t even funny. He defended his utterly partisan, I won, approach at a fundraiser for Deeds in McClean last night. Apparently Republicans are supposed to shut up and get out of the way of the filthy liar as he cleans up their mess. Quite the quote from the bastard who was supposed to rise above partisanship, huh!

Can our nation survive another 3.5 years of this utterly evil administration? I have my doubts.

highhopes on August 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM

That’s government math if I ever saw it. A quarter million more people lost jobs last month and the unemployment rate went down?! The state-run media and Obumbler will run with this like it’s the best news since toothpaste in a pump, but this is a complete farce. The real unemployment rate is already well over 10% and people know it … especially those who find themselves freshly out of work.

jonrademacher on August 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM

I bet the numbers were fudged too.

becki51758 on August 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM

When unemployment was at 5% and the stock market was pushing 13,000, we were continually lectured by Democrats on how terrible the economy was.

They would drag out some poor slob to give us their sob story.

Now that Democrats are in charge and the economy is tanking, where are the poor slobs and their sob stories?

I guess they are so happy that we have a Democrat in charge, that it doesn’t bother them that they don’t have a pot to piss in.

Must be the same kool-aid inner city Democrats drink.

Doesn’t matter that Democrats are corrupt and incompetent, what matters is that they are Democrats.

NoDonkey on August 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Somebody is cooking the books .This report is as phony as a 3$ bill.I was born at night but not last night they must think we are a bunch of fools.

thmcbb on August 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM

This really is good news. I still think the recovery will be painfully slow on this one.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM

It boggles the mind to consider the stupidity required to conjoin those two sentences.

LimeyGeek on August 7, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Like a lot of people, my unemployment insurance ran out last month. We are not included in today’s “improved” unemployment statistics.

Fortunately, I’m in pretty good shape and I’m not concerned about myself. I just hate to see Barry and his gang pounding their chest over this statistic.

Star20 on August 7, 2009 at 10:29 AM

And yet in the same report, payrolls decreased by 422,000.

Moreover, in July the workforce fell by 422,000, far more than the 155,000 decline in June, suggesting jobless workers may have given up looking for new work.

Vashta.Nerada on August 7, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Lost in this report is the amount of folks that stopped looking for work and decided to have at it as a self employed entity.

larvcom on August 7, 2009 at 10:29 AM

This really is good news. I still think the recovery will be painfully slow on this one.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM

All hail Obama!! Master of hell & depression!!!

The recovery won’t start until Obama is gone, gone, gone…..
That along with his minions of economy destroying Czars.

izoneguy on August 7, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Not sure net job loss is good news. We’ll see.

Capital is loosening up. Even I can sense it from the Banks. My area is starting to see some movement, too, in the housing market. The young people who do have jobs are able to buy houses in the low end, since there are really good deals out there, and it’s now taking a little less time to get through the loan process.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:30 AM

For everyone wondering how the economy lost 247,000 jobs AND had the unemployment rate drop:

What that data is telling you is that more than a quarter of a million people simply stopped looking for work, and so aren’t captured on the U3 that most news outlets report. The U6, which accounts for all unemployed and underemployed is over 16%.

It’s your super awesome economic recovery in full swing!

BadgerHawk on August 7, 2009 at 10:30 AM

I smell cooked books, in reality it should be 9.6%.

But Dear Leader wanted a lower number, so Dear Leader got one.

Rebar on August 7, 2009 at 10:31 AM

This really is good news. I still think the recovery will be painfully slow on this one.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM

You need to raise your standards as to what constitutes good news. The best that can be said about today’s numbers is that it is less bad news than usual. Any recovery is going to be hurt by several issues.

1. The filthy liar in the White House is anti-business.

2. The filthy liar in the White House is for big government and higher taxes.

3. The public gets a double Whammy in 2010 as the Bush tax CUTS come to an end which along with the rat bastard traitors increases will mean that the public will have little left to spend, let alone save for their futures.

4. This adminstration lacks all credibility that they can manage the economy so there will be little new investment.

highhopes on August 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM

This really is good news. I still think the recovery will be painfully slow on this one.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM

we lost a quarter million jobs, what is so good about that?

SHARPTOOTH on August 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM

The recovery won’t start until Obama is gone, gone, gone…..
That along with his minions of economy destroying Czars.

Well, I’ve personally never thought that presidents can really do a heck of a lot on economy, other than what both Bush and Obama did….save us from a complete collapse with infusions of capital. Other than that, I’m of the opinion that presidents can talk a lot. Not much else.

Growing government jobs is really a last-ditch effort.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Another thing left out: The loss of summer jobs taken by high schoolers et al that probably aren’t reported in these figures because they’re part-time or food service work.

Matt Helm on August 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Lost in this report is the amount of folks that stopped looking for work and decided to have at it as a self employed entity.

larvcom on August 7, 2009 at 10:29 AM

And the amount of hours cut back. I know many people who are working
4 day weeks. 32 instead of 40 hours. Many employers are barely holding on.
IF ANY of Obama’s crap does get passed then hold on…it’s highway to hell time.
2010 cannot get here soon enough.

izoneguy on August 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Let Obama pound his chest over this… it will be his “Mission Accomplished” moment.

BPD on August 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Im one of those discouraged workers. Ive been filling applications right and left with no calls.

I wouldnt be making if if not for my daughter living with me. Shes collecting unemployment but she received insurance money when her Uncle Randy died so its keeping us afloat. How sad.

becki51758 on August 7, 2009 at 10:33 AM

The only thing our resident economic whale, Christine Romer, can forecast accurately is when she’s going to have lunch, and how much she’s going to eat. At noon, and a LOT.

bradley11 on August 7, 2009 at 10:33 AM

In my world, people are finding jobs. It still takes a lot longer, of course, than in the past.

And I THINK CA’s unemployment rate is way higher than 10%.

I take it it’s really bad where some of you guys live?

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Lost in this report is the amount of folks that stopped looking for work and decided to have at it as a self employed entity.

larvcom on August 7, 2009 at 10:29 AM

It does not take into account the ‘Mom and Pop’ small businesses that have closed due to this economic mess since they aren’t eligible to file unemployment claims.

thomasaur on August 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Can our nation survive another 3.5 years of this utterly evil administration? I have my doubts.

highhopes on August 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM

As a nation, yes we can (I guess that little slogan does come in handy). As a leader, no he can’t survive. I will always bet on the side of the strength of a nation over one little, little man. Bumpy roads, no doubt. But in the end, he will lose. Whatever tactics he employs are rooted in evil and destruction. Every criminal eventually gets caught. The evidence is piling up.

sherry on August 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Growing government jobs is really a last-ditch effort priority for this Administration.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Ah, that’s better.

jazz_piano on August 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM

AnninCA has one motive: it believes health care will pass if people believe the economy is improving.

So this will be the spin from the lefties this weekend: the economy has turned the corner THUS Bamster knows what he’s doing THUS it’s time to move forward on health care.

BardMan on August 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM

bradley11 on August 7, 2009 at 10:33 AM

hahaha How true!

becki51758 on August 7, 2009 at 10:35 AM

wouldnt be making if if not for my daughter living with me.

A lot of people I know are combining households. Hope something comes up for you soon.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Is anyone taking bets on whether or not this “good news” will survive the coming “adjustment”?

Jason Coleman on August 7, 2009 at 10:35 AM

My area is starting to see some movement, too, in the housing market.

That’s because of foreclosures and because the prices have fallen through the floor.

Which was all painted as a tragedy by candidate Obama.

So we all have Barney Frank and the incompetent and corrupt Democrats to thank for this?

After all, they created an unsustainable housing bubble that burst and that blew trillions of dollars of wealth.

All to bring back home prices to where they would have been in the first place. Democrat economic policies in action.

NoDonkey on August 7, 2009 at 10:35 AM

“As calculated by displaced Enron accountants…”

CC

CapedConservative on August 7, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Dood – get a new “unemployment bad news” photo! That poor redhead has been unemployed since the Carter administration.

microfiction on August 7, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Hot off the press and very ugly…

New economic outlook report from Goldman Sachs

# Consumers continue to delever, even as retail flows from money markets into risk assets
# Residential housing market continues to weaken
# Commercial real estate (CRE) beginning to take center stage
# CRE equity may have further to fall or be completely wiped out
# Equity valuations driven by the consumer, with the cryptic proviso that “equity value might have downside” – no kidding
# And the best – REIT equity prices have risen… but property values continue to fall

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/goldman-sachs-state-market

elduende on August 7, 2009 at 10:36 AM

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:35 AM

We didnt combine..shes 21 and never moved out, but thanks.

becki51758 on August 7, 2009 at 10:36 AM

AnninCA,

I could be mistaken, but I get the sense that you are duplicitous.

jazz_piano on August 7, 2009 at 10:37 AM

thomasaur on August 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Quite true! I’ve bought many pieces of equipment from these businesses.

larvcom on August 7, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Yet more people than ever are receiving unemployment benefits and what, 34 million or so are on food stamps?

Oh yeah, the boom times are upon us; I’d be surprised if the nation’s employers didn’t have to import Cambodians just to fill all the available jobs.

Bishop on August 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Well, I’ve personally never thought that presidents can really do a heck of a lot on economy, other than what both Bush and Obama did….save us from a complete collapse with infusions of capital. Other than that, I’m of the opinion that presidents can talk a lot. Not much else.

Growing government jobs is really a last-ditch effort.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM

You believe that don’t you? The reason the economy collapsed is because a giant sucking of capital rushed out when it looked pretty certain that Obama was going to be the one. Years of Obama pushing Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac off the cliff was the trigger. Bush tried to stop it but was turned back by lobbist efforts on Fannie Mae’s behalf. Obama believes in a Marxist structure and at every turn he is attacking capitalism. He has Pelosi out front as the cheerleader against “evil” insurance companies. The only evil here is Obama.

izoneguy on August 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM

It’s like under Clinton when Republicans didn’t increase funding as much as he wanted on some programs and he and the media called them cuts.

cadams on August 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM

The only thing our resident economic whale, Christine Romer, can forecast accurately is when she’s going to have lunch, and how much she’s going to eat. At noon, and a LOT.

bradley11 on August 7, 2009 at 10:33 AM

ROFL

Jeff from WI on August 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM

I’m still unemployed.
I’ve never been on the ‘unemployment rolls’
There are many people like me….not even counted in these idiotic numbers.

Go ahead Dem congress..keep spending money…you’ll learn the definition of ‘angry mob’ sure ‘nough~

bridgetown on August 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM

After all, they created an unsustainable housing bubble that burst and that blew trillions of dollars of wealth.

I agree. What still seems apparent to me, anyway, is that capital has to go someplace. There wasn’t a lot of real growth going on during the bubble time.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Who doesn’t think that this report was fooled with to show Stimulus works, and Obama can do the same with Healthcare?

kflynn on August 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Well, I’ve personally never thought that presidents can really do a heck of a lot on economy,

Growing government jobs is really a last-ditch effort.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM

They’re stewards, who can’t really do a lot to make it better, but have enormous power to make it worse. President Obama is making the long term economic stability of the country much, much worse.

BadgerHawk on August 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Until the economy starts generating a net increase in jobs and not just a lower net decrease, the overall employment rate will creep upwards. The only way for that to happen is to get capital into the markets to create jobs. The stock market has shown some indications lately that capital may finally be getting off the sidelines, but it won’t jump fully back into play as long as the Obama administration insists on pursuing policies hostile to business.

The way to increase jobs is to have demand increase for existing products, and/or create new products/industries and create new demand. Neither is happening, especially in Obama’s America. People are saving more, and paying down debt more–they’re not spending more. My guess is that unempl. will not fall meaningfully while Obama is Pres.

As for the stock mkt, it can temporarily gain due to inventory replenishment and businesses cost-cutting, but can’t be up for long if increasing demand isn’t there. My guess is that there will be no stk mkt boom under Obama.

Obama is bad for American business, bad for job-seekers, and will cause all of us to have a lowered standard of living.

JiangxiDad on August 7, 2009 at 10:39 AM

we lost a quarter million jobs, what is so good about that?

SHARPTOOTH on August 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Don’t you understand the mindset of the filthy liar and his party. We should be celebrating that it was only a quarter of a million people put out of work! We should all be down on our knees thanking God for delivering the filthy liar to this nation.

Fact of the matter is that the filthy liar’s administration is a repeat of the federal response to Hurricane Katrina. Well-meaning decisions made on bad data, excessive resources rushed in too late to help and mismanaged by the recipients, and an complete detachment from the reality of the situation.

highhopes on August 7, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Manipulated data moves markets via lower than expected unemployment and higher than expected earnings. Watch for the revisions. It’s similar to polling in that you need to see the internals.

singer on August 7, 2009 at 10:40 AM

In my world, people are finding jobs. It still takes a lot longer, of course, than in the past.

And I THINK CA’s unemployment rate is way higher than 10%.

I take it it’s really bad where some of you guys live?

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:33 AM

It’s ok where I am. But I live in Katy, TX(and work in Houston). New houses are popping up all around us in our neighborhood the last couple months, but existing home prices are plummeting.

The media and the Dems(I know, I’m being redundant) can try to spin this any way they want, but they’re doing everyone a disservice when they don’t paint an accurate portrait of this economy.

Doughboy on August 7, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Go ahead Dem congress..keep spending money…you’ll learn the definition of ‘angry mob’ sure ‘nough~

bridgetown on August 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM

With the filthy liar and his party beginning to use street thugs to keep citizens out of town hall meetings, it will be interesting to see what happens with the 9/12 events where the voice of America isn’t quashed by government intervention.

highhopes on August 7, 2009 at 10:41 AM

They’re stewards, who can’t really do a lot to make it better, but have enormous power to make it worse. President Obama is making the long term economic stability of the country much, much worse.

The mortgage bailout program really was more for show. I suppose there’s an upside to that. Nobody could qualify, and even if you did, trying to get it through was apparently nigh onto impossible.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Only a moron would believe these numbers and come up with anything positive. If the present administration lies about everything else, why not lie about this. It’s not like the media will actually do their jobs and check these things out and look for double-talk.

They’re too busy being cheerleaders.

Jeff from WI on August 7, 2009 at 10:41 AM

I read somewhre yesterday, Insatapundit maybe, that the unemployment number would be 9.6 today. But it is good that fewer people lost jobs. Not quite good enough though.

myrenovations on August 7, 2009 at 10:41 AM

sherry on August 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM

We will weather the storm

obarfy? Doubtful if things continue at this pace.

blatantblue on August 7, 2009 at 10:43 AM

The Tenth of a Percentage Point Stimulation Plan has worked to perfection. Doubters report to the town square for your stoning.

LibTired on August 7, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Uh…Uh…but..THE STIMULUS PACKAGE ISN’T WORKING!!! KEEP REPEATING THAT!!

dcwvu on August 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM

It’s ok where I am. But I live in Katy, TX(and work in Houston). New houses are popping up all around us in our neighborhood the last couple months, but existing home prices are plummeting.

I saw the same scenario in So. Cal. in the past. Always puzzled me. It seems economically illogical to have new housing starts while existing homes decline in value.

But, I have seen it, too. Right now in So. Cal., it’s definitely not new that’s grabbing the buyers. They are using the falling values to get into the market.

Want to give yourself indigestion? Some of the same old mortgage loans that got us into this mess are STILL being offered.

Unbelievable.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM

This really is good news. I still think the recovery will be painfully slow on this one.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM

What about 250K jobs lost is “really good new”? Or are you just not very bright?

zeebeach on August 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM

I smell cooked books, in reality it should be 9.6%.

But Dear Leader wanted a lower number, so Dear Leader got one.

Rebar on August 7, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Exactly.

He still needs to release his budget, so the massive numbers will be attributed to ‘reviving’ the economy.

…and now that the economy is recovering, we can easily afford health care!

YAY! All is good!

cntrlfrk on August 7, 2009 at 10:45 AM

cooked books, easy to spot the signs. The Joker is in charge.

tarpon on August 7, 2009 at 10:45 AM

I read somewhre yesterday, Insatapundit maybe, that the unemployment number would be 9.6 today. But it is good that fewer people lost jobs. Not quite good enough though.

myrenovations on August 7, 2009 at 10:41 AM

If a quarter of a million people hadn’t been dropped from the unemployment figures, the rate would be 9.6%. If we’re touting 247,000 lost jobs in July as good news, we’re in serious trouble.

Doughboy on August 7, 2009 at 10:45 AM

dcwvu on August 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM

huh? Who doesn’t know that it’s ‘not working’ ?

bridgetown on August 7, 2009 at 10:45 AM

New houses are popping up all around us in our neighborhood the last couple months, but existing home prices are plummeting.

Doughboy on August 7, 2009 at 10:40 AM

But are those new homes being built for specific buyers or built on spec? Plus, you live in one of the booming suburbs, what’s happening elsewhere?

highhopes on August 7, 2009 at 10:45 AM

I take it it’s really bad where some of you guys live?

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:33 AM

I’m completely insulated. A city on an Isthmus, where most of the land is taken up by university and government buildings, has kept unemployment low and housing prices stable. But most of the country doesn’t exist in fairly tale land like Madison does.

A quarter of a million lost jobs is still a quarter of a million lost jobs.

BadgerHawk on August 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM

You believe that don’t you? The reason the economy collapsed is because a giant sucking of capital rushed out when it looked pretty certain that Obama was going to be the one. Years of Obama pushing Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac off the cliff was the trigger. Bush tried to stop it but was turned back by lobbist efforts on Fannie Mae’s behalf. Obama believes in a Marxist structure and at every turn he is attacking capitalism. He has Pelosi out front as the cheerleader against “evil” insurance companies. The only evil here is Obama.

izoneguy on August 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Fannie Mae posted a $15 billion loss for the last quarter, and needs another infusion of cash. Freddie Mac hasn’t reported yet, but likewise is expected to need another infusion.

ICBM on August 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM

But it is good that fewer people lost jobs. Not quite good enough though.
myrenovations on August 7, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Less people to lose. Companies are pared down to the bone just trying to hold on; at this point if people get cut it will mean critical positions will be empty and that is the death knell.

My guys here are safe as can be, then again they are highly diversified in their skills and I could shift them as necessary to whatever work is available.

Bishop on August 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Let Obama pound his chest over this… it will be his “Mission Accomplished” moment.

BPD on August 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Course, he already had that moment several weeks ago when he said the stimulus “did its job”.

Can you imagine if that was McCain? It would have been the headline for three straight days. There would be seven books out with that title by now.

LibTired on August 7, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Uh…Uh…but..THE STIMULUS PACKAGE ISN’T WORKING!!! KEEP REPEATING THAT!!

dcwvu on August 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM

The whole premise of the the stimulus package was to create jobs, no? So, by default, isn’t it a failure since we keep losing jobs?

BPD on August 7, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Uh…Uh…but..THE STIMULUS PACKAGE ISN’T WORKING!!! KEEP REPEATING THAT!!

dcwvu on August 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Voodoo economic imbecility.

LimeyGeek on August 7, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Fannie Mae posted a $15 billion loss for the last quarter, and needs another infusion of cash. Freddie Mac hasn’t reported yet, but likewise is expected to need another infusion.

ICBM on August 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM

The outstanding successes of Freddie and Fannie makes me want government-run health care.

Do I need a sarcasm tag?

jazz_piano on August 7, 2009 at 10:47 AM

highhopes on August 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Tried going to Roanoke.com all morning for their report. Server is busy!! If it’s what you and they are headlining folks are going to be really pissed.

Tom

marinetbryant on August 7, 2009 at 10:48 AM

In my suburb of So. Cal, the tanking of the economy may actually help in one sense: Slow down retail growth. It’s my personal mean-spirited thought that I’m not unhappy about that one.

Good grief, we have 3 Wall-Marts where I live and 2 Super-Centers. There’s a Lowes Lumber on every corner.

It wasn’t just the housing market that went nuts.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:48 AM

THE STIMULUS PACKAGE ISN’T WORKING!!!

dcwvu on August 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Agreed.

LibTired on August 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Want to give yourself indigestion? Some of the same old mortgage loans that got us into this mess are STILL being offered.

Unbelievable.

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM

No kidding. Thank Barney Frank for that one. I think new homes being built is a result of the builders slashing their prices to compete with the flooded existing home market (which, according to a friend who does real estate in Chicago, is at a 10 month supply.)

BadgerHawk on August 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

WSJ article: ‘France Fights Universal Care’s High Cost.’

Yes, by all means, let’s be like France.

/sarc

jazz_piano on August 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

250k jobs LOST is only good news when we have a president who can say it would have been 500k jobs LOST without the stimulus.

But a president would never create some artificially generated statistic like jobs saved solely for political reasons, would he?

God help us all if we ever elect someone like that.

BardMan on August 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Uh…Uh…but..THE STIMULUS PACKAGE ISN’T WORKING!!! KEEP REPEATING THAT!!
dcwvu on August 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Well obviously it isn’t, as the Administration informed everyone recently the stimulus wasn’t meant to create jobs, it was to cushion the fall as jobs were lost.

Or are you changing the intent of the stimulus again? It’s now back to being a job creator?

Bishop on August 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

highhopes on August 7, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Around my neighborhood…signs at mailboxes, that I have never seen before and am pretty surprised to see it happening:

Will work, any job, carpentry to fixing your car.

Blueberries, 1.00/lb

And on many cars and boats…FOR SALE
And on many homes…For Sale/Foreclosure

It’s freakin’ scary. and it sucks.
But the stimulus is working. uhh. yeah.

bridgetown on August 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Dcvwu an Obama have a plan

Spend one trillion dollars for every one tenth of one percent the unemployment rate drops

blatantblue on August 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Course, he already had that moment several weeks ago when he said the stimulus “did its job”.

Well, he’s not convincing anyone else. *haha Remember how they were going to put up signs on those infrastructure jobs, “Your Stimulus at Work.”

I haven’t ever spotted one. Has anyone?

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Uh…Uh…but..THE STIMULUS PACKAGE ISN’T WORKING!!! KEEP REPEATING THAT!!

dcwvu on August 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Facts are stubborn things. Which is why I suppose you never use them in your arguments.

BadgerHawk on August 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM

After a morning so far, discussing the evil leaders we have, and the bad news they bring, here, for my own sanity, is a welcome voice of a once proud nation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqAgmrSimx4&feature=related

Jeff from WI on August 7, 2009 at 10:51 AM

But are those new homes being built for specific buyers or built on spec? Plus, you live in one of the booming suburbs, what’s happening elsewhere?

highhopes on August 7, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Yes, most of them are being built for specific buyers. A handful of the ones from Perry Homes still have an “Available” sign out front after construction has started, but they make up a small percentage.

And our neighborhood can’t be compared to other parts of the country. Home prices in Katy are ridiculously low. How many places are there near a large metropolitan area where a new 3000 sq ft house can be had for 200 grand?

Doughboy on August 7, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Uh…Uh…but..THE STIMULUS PACKAGE ISN’T WORKING!!! KEEP REPEATING THAT!!

dcwvu on August 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM

When one is on the government dole economic matters are a foreign language.

thomasaur on August 7, 2009 at 10:51 AM

WSJ article: ‘France Fights Universal Care’s High Cost.’

Yes, by all means, let’s be like France.

/sarc

jazz_piano on August 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Here is an article from the UK about their plight with funds to pay for their system:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article6742040.ece

ICBM on August 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM

The media seems to have blown off about the Obama administration new “methology” for doing economic data and I wonder if the number decrease is because of it.

I still have yet to see what this suppose new model is or what changes were done with it. It was this new model that allowed them to declare the economy was twice as bad as before and again it is beyond me no one is questioning how they are determining it.

JeffinSac on August 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM

I’m so angry with the rat bastard traitor this morning it isn’t even funny.

He defended his utterly partisan, I won, approach at a fundraiser for Deeds in McClean last night.

1,500 turned out for the Deeds “rally” with Obama. 1,500′s a small crowd for a town hall meeting opposing his health care plan. The “Obama Magic” is gone. The “Obama Tragic” has arrived.

ChrisB on August 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Yes, by all means, let’s be like France.

/sarc

jazz_piano on August 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

I’ll take their nuclear energy, but that’s about it.

I haven’t ever spotted one. Has anyone?

AnninCA on August 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Saw two driving through Illinois last weekend, but that’s it. Super awesome use of taxpayer dollars.

BadgerHawk on August 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Next quarter they’re going to “correct” their reports and 0.1% is well within their usual correction. There may be no movement at all.

Chris_Balsz on August 7, 2009 at 10:53 AM

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